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Maher on likening of criticism of Islam to Nazi Jew-hatred: “Beyond stupid”

Dec 5, 2014 4:55 pm By Robert Spencer

Maher answers this claim ably: “Jews weren’t oppressing anybody. There weren’t 5,000 militant Jewish groups. They didn’t do a study of treatment of women around the world and find that Jews were at the bottom of it. There weren’t 10 Jewish countries in the world that were putting gay people to death just for being gay.”

Indeed, and no one is calling for or justifying genocide of Muslims.

Nonetheless, this is a very common claim. Not only Karen Armstrong, but also Jeffrey Goldberg, Reza Aslan, Muslim Brotherhood-linked Congressman Keith Ellison, Nicholas Kristof, and Canadian Muslim leader Syed Sohawardy, among many others, have repeated it.

Christopher Hitchens also took apart the central claim being made here when writing last year about the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero: “‘Some of what people are saying in this mosque controversy is very similar to what German media was saying about Jews in the 1920s and 1930s,’ Imam Abdullah Antepli, Muslim chaplain at Duke University, told the New York Times. Yes, we all recall the Jewish suicide bombers of that period, as we recall the Jewish yells for holy war, the Jewish demands for the veiling of women and the stoning of homosexuals, and the Jewish burning of newspapers that published cartoons they did not like.”

The purpose of this claim is to intimidate people into thinking that criticism of Islamic supremacism leads to the concentration camps, and thus there must be no criticism of Islamic supremacism. The unstated assumption is that if one group was unjustly accused of plotting subversion and violence, and was viciously persecuted and massacred on the basis of those false accusations, then any group accused of plotting subversion and violence must be innocent, and any such accusation must be in service of preparing for their subversion and massacre. It is simply a method to foreclose on any criticism of jihad terror and Islamic supremacism.

“‘It’s beyond stupid’: Bill Maher responds to backlash against Islam views,” by Joanna Rothkopf, Salon, December 5, 2014 (thanks to Robert):

…On Karen Armstrong’s remarks that this “the sort of talk that led to concentration camps in Europe. The sorts of things that people were saying about Jews in the 30s and 40s.”

“It doesn’t sting because it’s beyond stupid. Jews weren’t oppressing anybody. There weren’t 5,000 militant Jewish groups. They didn’t do a study of treatment of women around the world and find that Jews were at the bottom of it. There weren’t 10 Jewish countries in the world that were putting gay people to death just for being gay. It’s idiotic.”

On the UC-Berkeley petition:

“The irony of the Berkeley situation is I thought campuses were places where free speech was championed. And one of my problems with Islam is that they are not big on free speech–which so offended the Muslims at Berkeley, they wanted to ban my speech.”

He continues with a message to the students: “You know, I’m a liberal. My message is: be a liberal. Find out what liberalism means and join up. Liberalism certainly should not mean squelching free speech. And by the way, that petition, it was online, so anybody could sign it. You didn’t have to go to Berkeley to sign it, you could sign it more than one time… So it was kind of a bullshit thing to begin with. Uh, so I don’t think there were that many people against it. Even people who don’t agree with everything I say about Islam certainly were on the side of letting me speak. The comments I read were just almost embarrassed for the kids.

And I would just say to all liberals: we should own the First Amendment the way the right-wingers own the Second.”

I wonder if he will ever notice that his liberal friends are actually the foremost enemies of the freedom of speech.

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  1. Don McKellar says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    I hope that there is excellent security at Berkley, because now Maher and his honesty about Islam is famous and drawing a lot of attention from the most devout members of the death cult of the moon god. May he continue to rave on, and may many, many more start speaking to truth on this most vital issue of our times.

    • Ayattollahowmany says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      Maher has the balls so significantly missing from the MSM.

      May he live long and prosper.

      • Jay Boo says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 12:03 pm

        His liberal friend must be asking “why can’t he behave more like Jon Stewart and put all the blame on the ‘extremist misunderstanders of Islam’ who were supposedly radicalized by the oppression from GOP Islamophobia”?

    • Huck Folder says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 10:31 pm

      Even Quennelle X, leader of the New Black Panthers has said that there are radicals and jihadists who will attack anyone who questions islam, like ex-teacher Angela Box; they could even attack her in her class and kill small children – a bomb maybe?

      Of course, that goes against the chorus of the cair choir, which says that ‘islam’ is the ‘religion’ of peace.

      Utter, stark, staring, raving lunatics, but leftards can’t see it.

    • Shane says

      Dec 6, 2014 at 10:08 am

      Yes, liberals do not support freedom of speech or religion any more unless the speech is liberal speech and the religion is Liberalism.

  2. jewdog says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Taxpayers should only be asked to subsidize technical-vocational schools since they demonstrably help people get jobs, and that’s a definite public benefit. The vast subsidization of general educational institutions needs to end. It does nothing but add to the debt load and has become a free ride for leftist ideologues. People should not be asked to subsidize people who are training their children to hate their own country.

    • noellsq says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 5:45 pm

      You have a good idea and people that teach their children to hate the USA have a right to do that,but let them do it in another country that they do not hate.

  3. Wellington says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    I know of no conservatives in America who try to limit free speech in our time. Virtually all those who do can be found from one of two groups: 1) liberals; 2) Muslims. As much as I support, even admire, what Bill Maher has been saying about Islam, I don’t think he gets that the Right owns now only the Second Amendment but the First as well.

    • Wellington says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm

      That’s “not only” and not “now only.”

  4. duh_swami says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    My message is: be a liberal. Find out what liberalism means and join up.

    Haha funny. No wonder they pay him big bucks top tell jokes.
    However he does have Islams number even if he does lack details.
    He can pick those up by reading JW.

  5. Bradamante says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 5:41 pm

    I called myself a liberal for years. I thought I knew what being a liberal meant — being for freedom, equality, standing up to bullies, not pushing people around, freedom of speech and conscience, conservation of the environment, and rule of law rather than rule by the powerful. These days, what I called liberalism is more accurately called conservatism.

    • Don McKellar says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 5:55 pm

      It’s not called conservatism. It’s still called liberalism. The fact is that many who claim they are liberals today are in fact leftists with a strong political agenda and controlling dogma which are nearly the polar opposite of liberal ideals. And they won’t admit to themselves, just like they won’t honestly take a simple look at Islam and call a spade a spade. They aren’t liberals at all. Maher is a liberal and this is the way liberals speak and what they stand for.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 1:48 am

        Agreed.

        Maher deserves 99% kudos at this point. He’s putting his life on the line for what matters, which is more than can be said for the vast lot of us here in the peanut gallery.

        And anyway, he’s almost the ONLY public liberal to stand up for what’s right in this area. We NEED him. He is among the few who can convince the left, because he believes a lot of what they believe. And I really don’t care if Maher believes in more of a welfare state than I do. That’s small potatoes compared to resisting Islam. Complaining about Maher is as if sommeone hands you a thousand dollar bill, and you notice it’s smudged and point it out, and spend more time pointing it out than noticing the fact someone just gave you $1000. Okay to point out the smudge, but keep your eye on the money!

    • Wellington says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 6:01 pm

      You nailed it, Bradamante. Modern conservatism is the true heir to what liberalism should ultimately be about——–freedom. Beginning as early as the 1840s, liberalism began to be corrupted by socialistic and totalitarian thought, courtesy of highly overrated thinkers like Louis Blanc and my own personal choice for the single most overrated intellectual of all time, Karl Marx. Still, until the 1960s, there was a good bit of liberalism which remained a defender of freedom. But the Sixties changed everything. From that decade on, liberalism has taken on an increasing element of intolerance, if not downright totalitarianism. This helps to explain why virtually everyone in America who tries to shut down free speech is on the Left (or, for completely different reasons, Muslim). I hope someday Bill Maher and many other liberals get all this. Well, if Maher and others on the Left can “get” Islam, I think they can “get” this too. Hope so.

      You know, I often describe myself as a liberal——-a Jeffersonian liberal. Thomas Jefferson died in 1826.

      • eduardo odraude says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 2:07 am

        As I see it, conservatives think government is more dangerous than corporations, and progressives tend to think corporations are more dangerous than government. That’s an oversimplification, but not too bad.

        To my mind government and corporations are about equally problematic and need to be held in check by and continually reformed by each other and by an independent third sector — namely free culture, including the media, religious leaders, scientists, educators, and non-profit groups. Culture is free insofar as independent of the state and economic interests. Part of Marx’s error, in my view, was to suggest that cultural life is inevitably a mere function of economic relations and factors. It is not inevitable, but it is certainly possible, obviously, for cultural life to fall into varying degrees of dependence on economic power. When we see Saudis funding Islamic studies in U.S. colleges, or we hear that a Middle Eastern Muslim prince owns 7% of Fox News, the point becomes clearer. Thus the independence of cultural life needs to be guarded and increased not only in relation to the state but also in relation to economic power. This is really a threefold model of social order that I think gets away from the binary polarization of left and right. .

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Dec 6, 2014 at 7:37 am

          Well put.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 6, 2014 at 11:53 am

          Government is definitely more dangerous than corporations because government has the police power and corporations do not. Corporations can sue you but government can put you in jail. Besides, if a corporation becomes inefficient it will go out of business. No matter how inefficeint government is, it remains. No comparison.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 7:47 pm

        Agreed, Wellington.

    • blake says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 10:29 pm

      liberalism is now called facism, as in silence anyone who disagrees with you

  6. Dave J says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    The criticism (Armstrong’s statement) is outrageous since the relentless wall of Jew-hatred is coming from Muslims who quote the Quran, whose rhetoric most closely resembles the Nazi’s and whose religion was historically linked to that movement. From them, not to them, get it?

    And they not only want to exterminate the Jews, they want to exterminate all non-Muslims.

    And in another parallel, they think of themselves as superior people. Is any more proof needed that they are pathologically deluded?

  7. Renee says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    Although he is hard on Christians and their beliefs (some reasons justified) he is courageously addressing that islam is almost a cult that glorifies death over life. The way he addresses that is not without humor or …………danger. ” May Allah protect you”.

  8. mortimer says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    If Karen Armstrong or Ben Affleck truly believe Islam is not supremacist and intrinsically violent, I offer the following challenge:

    Draw one humorous cartoon about Mohammed and publish it. Count how many death threats come in during the first 30 minutes.

    Let’s put your arguments to the test.

  9. Tradewinds says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 7:20 pm

    Maher is starting to get it. But he needs to read Jihad Watch. Bill – are you reading?

    • mcq says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 4:05 am

      Yep… once your mind opens it can open all the way. He may completely reverse on many positions in the coming because of this.

      Ironically he’ll be a good advocate for many issues if that happened.

  10. zebo says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 7:32 pm

    these stupid muslims and leftist should at least know the difference between criticism and hatred,but,
    i am pretty sure that both know how much dirt and evil is in islam and they don”t want this to be exposed therefore they try to sabotage any kind of criticism.
    They know very well that in islam according to sharia law pedophilia is legal,slavery is legal and surpressing and exploiting minorities(dhimma/jiyza) is legal.
    They know very well that muslims are by far the most criminal minority in all european countries

    Hatred is dangerous but criticism existential for democracy and for improvement of civilisation.
    You cannot improve without critical skill,you can”t heal an illness without analysing it.
    it is no coincidence that arabs and persians went down from the very top of civilasation 3000 years ago to the lowest lows

    There is only one reason why islam hasn”t improved since 640;because criticising islam is forbidden.
    The reason is simple.Even the dumbest idiot can debunk islam as a pile of illogical crap and as soon as you expose to the masses how evil mohammed and allah are the islam will tumble like a house of cards.

    Very few have improved islam(yesides and alawites)but those are not considered as muslims by other muslims.
    The yesides( corrected even the major logicall mistake of all abrahamid religions-they deny the existence of a devil as an evil powerfull being cannot exist beside a allmighty god as god would not be almighty if such a being exists.

    Freedom of speech as the main pillar of democracy and must not be sacrified-especially not for the worst of all religions.
    If muslims don”t want to be criticized -here is a deal.
    Go back to muslim countries.As soon as all muslims are there we will stop the criticism.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 6, 2014 at 10:04 am

      “these stupid muslims and leftist should at least know the difference between criticism and hatred…You cannot improve without critical skill,you can”t heal an illness without analysing it.”

      Thanks for your excellent points.

  11. FarmerMike says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 8:46 pm

    Down in Lima, Peru, there’s Climate Conference going on this week, that has some bearing on JihadWatch concerns. One of the topics is energy, and some of the experts are saying that renewable energy is technologically practical & economically affordable, right now. It occurred to me that if some of us motivated Westerners could manage to wean ourselves off the “brainwashing addiction” we presently have to Middle Eastern oil, and become “ex-oil addicts,” then maybe it is not too far-fetched to believe that some motivated Muslims could similarly be weaned off their “brainwashed addiction” to Islam. Especially since it appears that a lot of them really very much WANT to wean off that ideology, and become ex-Muslims.

    • Wellington says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 9:08 pm

      Oil’s not a bad thing, FarmerMike, just oil from the Middle East is (and a few other places like Venezuela). America has plenty of reserves of oil (with new reserves being discovered with each passing decade), but there are way too many restrictions on tapping such—–and Obama’s objection to the Keystone Pipeline is idiotic, as are so many of his policy decisions.

      By all means, explore alternative sources of energy, though no pie-in-the-sky crap like ubiquitous windmills, but, I say, cut oil—-and coal—-and natural gas a break and realize they’ve gotten a bad rap. And then go from there.

    • RonaldB says

      Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 pm

      You aren’t reading much in the news nowadays, are you, FarmerMIke?

      I would recommend looking at the oil prices and the reasons they’re going so low. The new technologies developed by the Western countries, especially the practice of fracking and oil-shale recovery, has increased the amount of oil available from Western sources so dramatically, the money supply of the Saudis is threatened.

      In other words, we’re achieve the holy grail: western oil production and energy independence. This can be sidetracked, of course, by people who still want government to limit domestic oil production because of vague climate change concerns, and to refuse to allow off-shore oil production, even with multiple safeguards. The Obama administration is holding up the pipeline designed to transport shale oil, is pressing for carbon caps to limit industrial output, and is placing severe restrictions on coal plants. Coal has been a staple of energy independence for over 150 years.

      Our energy production is achieving two important goals: reducing the discretionary money supply of regimes who are able and anxious to use cash to corrupt Western government and institutions; and second, the Western countries cannot be crippled by Middle Eastern countries closing off the supply of oil. Inconvenienced, yes, but not crippled.

      It has been the case in the past hundreds of years that technology gives Western countries huge advantages over backward Muslim (redundant term) countries, and that our worst enemy is actually ourselves, when we refuse to take advantage of our technological advances.

      • FarmerMike says

        Dec 6, 2014 at 10:45 am

        You’re right, RonaldB, that I don’t read the news a lot, or follow current prices of oil. I do spend a lot of time thinking like a farmer about “soil” and whatever affects it long term. Right now, I’m planning a permaculture orchard.
        Nevertheless, I attended several “Peak Oil” conferences held in Yellow Springs, OH. They covered shale-oil, fracking, & tar sands oil from Alberta, and I found that I agreed with the energy experts that it was not worth the trouble and damage. True, the US is poised to seize the “Holy Grail” of oil independence. But at what price? Check out the energy conferences organized by communitysolution.org.
        Anyway, there is strong scientific evidence that past & continued burning of fossil fuels (as well as plowing the earth, and clear-cutting forests), are having a negative effect on the climate. True, there are indeed natural climate cycles. But the evidence shows that we humans have accelerated the cycling. So, the best thing to do is quit burning petroleum products. Or at least, burn less. And quit plowing, which I have done. Nor do I do any clear-cutting. I admit I still drive a 6-cylinder vehicle. But not much. Planning a solar vehicle.
        There are alternative energy-tapping methods. There’s Hait’s “passive annual heat storage” for home heating, even in the mountains of Montana. And Heckeroth’s pvc-roofing. And in Adelaide, Australia, they even have a whole fleet of solar-powered buses! Imagine that!
        Meanwhile, we’d be weaning ourselves off Middle East oil, and–as you point out–reducing the amount of money poured into Saudi Arabian pockets, which somehow ends up in jihadist weapons!

        • Western Canadian says

          Dec 7, 2014 at 6:20 pm

          Since there is no such thing as ‘tar sands’ anywhere in Canada…. Your post displays a level of ignorance that you should be ashamed of. And these so-called ‘experts’ are even more ignorant than you are….. Passive solar for space heating is great, for electrical generation (PV) is utterly asinine, and windmills even more asinine. Hot water heating through sunlight is very workable, as should be a tech that predates natural gas discoveries and wide spread usage in North America…… The ‘conference’ you attended, was a load of crap, and you are a fool for buying into it.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 7, 2014 at 8:23 pm

          Which energy experts, FarmerMike? Name them. Increasingly we live in an age where not only the liberal arts have been terribly compromised by pc/mc but also, perhaps even more unfortunately, science. If you’re a scientist and disagree with fossil fuels being a bad thing, or disagree with AGW, you can forget getting government grants. And government grants dwarf any grants from any source pushing for energy independence by way of fossil fuels or which is skeptical of AGW.

          Al Gore and his ilk have told many lies but just about the biggest is that those who disagree with AGW are in the pay of the oil companies. Rather, and highly ironically, those pushing AGW are in the pay of monied interests (like the government and green companies) who so very much want AGW to be true. Reconsider, FarmerMIke.

  12. Myxlplik says

    Dec 5, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Take a gander at Vanity Fair

    “But, you know, what changed for me—I think in a good way—is that since more people actually paid attention to the debate, way more people came over to my side. I have a very politically correct audience—the studio audience that comes to my show—very often too politically correct for my taste. I notice now they are pretty much on my side on this issue because they understand that I’m the liberal in this debate.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/12/bill-maher-interview-islam-berkeley

    The comment section is interesting too… Islamonazi’s are flailing out of controll.

    • gravenimage says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 11:12 pm

      Thanks for that additional information, Myxlplik. Good to see that even some on the left may be getting a clue.

  13. BC says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 6:05 am

    The Jews were very well integrated into German society and making a valuable contribution. Many Jews were awarded Iron Crosses for their bravery in WW1, as Hitler knew well as his Cross was pinned on by a Jewish officer!. Ironically many of the Jews in Germany had fled to Germany from the Russian pogroms, believing Germany was a welcoming and liberal country.

  14. JihadiJoe says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 6:16 am

    You guys should do a story on jihadists recruiting on playstation 4.There seems to be an extraordinary amount of them with mics trying to talk to you when playing gamer like battlefield 4.Normally i am used to american service men trying to talk to me about the army whilst playing games lol

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Dec 6, 2014 at 9:51 am

      You guys should do a story on jihadists recruiting on playstation 4.

      Actually, that’s a brilliant idea. By use of avatars, a whole lotta true facts about the Islam could be put into theater. And it’s hard for the real world Moslems to intimidate a game player with bodily harm or death… he’s playing the game at home.

      I think that a well done (truly competitive) game that showed Islam for what it is, power and violence, makes a great premise for a war game. Remember, our Prez Dubya said after 9/11, “Islam is a religion of war.”

      If such a game, for example called Jihad Joined could go viral and reach millions of kids who at best watch Jon Stewart for their news. There’s interesting news to report about Islam, and Moslems.

  15. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 9:41 am

    The irony of the Berkeley situation is I thought campuses were places where free speech was championed.

    This comment goes into the well traveled cul de sac that lets no conclusion come out. Things have changed, dumbass; stringent controls on free speech have been in place for decades now, so it’s more than just an easy point of irony for an applause line. Oh, Bill? — or should I call you Stupe? — whaddya have to say about the FACT that the suppression of fee speech on campus is exactly coincident with them having been taken over by…. liberals.

    Another major cul de sac: the endless search for Unicorns.

  16. GbA says

    Dec 6, 2014 at 11:20 am

    Having witnessed grandlids addiction to playstation,

  17. mgq says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 2:35 am

    Maher better be “careful” here…. he’s opened his mind to the TRUTH and it might just suck him all the way in.

  18. FarmerMike says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 3:21 am

    @ Western Canadian, I’m not sure who’s really ignorant here. There are 17 companies operating in Alberta’s Athabasca fields right now. You can go to their very informative video at communication@capp.ca . Or google on Alberta Tar Sands at http://www.oilsandstoday.ca/‎ See also my reply to Wellington below.

    @ Wellington, the best expert I know of is Richard Heinberg of the Post Carbon Institute. There are others, like Herman Daly (“For the Common Good”), or see economist Robert D. Feinman’s excellent brief essay, “Watching the Trainwreck in Slow Motion.”
    We can’t let ourselves be fooled by the “official” versions of the truth. We cannot let ourselves be lulled by those who applaud the “King’s New Clothes,” when he is becoming naked before our eyes. Oil has already peaked, and efforts to squeeze the last drops out of shale or tar, instead of focusing on transitioning to a more sane renewable energy base, is a panicky thing to do that shifts society’s attention away from doing the most sensible thing, & not only makes the problem worse, but also messes up the ecosystem while doing it.
    Focusing attention on minimizing or eliminating the jihad problem is legitimate. But I see the West’s blissful addiction to oil, Middle Eastern & other, as a part of the problem. We need to wake up, not only to the jihad threat, but to the la-la land of blissful blindness our addiction to oil has led us to!
    Picture the world as a bus, for a moment. Not only do we have murderous jihadists on the bus, but the Western bus driver is drunk, addicted to oil!! Maybe we should see the jihadist attacks as fortuitous slaps in the face of us that may, thankfully, awaken us from our drunken addiction. Focusing exclusively on squeezing more oil out of the earth, while simultaneously messing it up, takes our attention away form the more fundamental task of transitioning to a more sustainable energy source, and a more sane way of life. The jihadist threat is real, and could be fatal to our civilization. But so is our addiction to oil, and is an even greater threat to our way of life.
    As to AGW, or Anthropogenic Global Warming, evidence clearly points to a definite negative human influence in this phenomenon. So why is the earth momentarily coolling? Scientists say we are presently witnessing a “pause” in global warming. Why?. Because the bulk of the atmoshperic heat is being transferred to the oceans, a process which can take about 10 years. Here, we may picture ourselves as a bullfighter in the ring who is busy taking his bow to the spectators, while the bull is simply circling the ring, preparing to plunge his horns into him. Look among Heinberg’s “Museletters.”
    I’m not counting on gov’t handouts. That’s why I moved back to my roots in the country and am planting a permaculture/polyculture orchard. And am making friends with my neighbors. Building community.
    Another respectable economist who is a modern day Cassandra is James Rickards, who you can easily find on-line. Or see his new book, “The End of Money.”

    • Wellington says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 1:27 pm

      Richard Heinberg, FarmerMike, is not a scientist. He’s a jounalist. Herman Daly is not a scientist either. He’s an economist. Both are left-wingers, to put it mildly.

      As for fracking, It is much safer than its detractors maintain it is. And as for oil, there are huge amounts left to be extracted from the earth. We probably haven’t even tapped 20% of the earth’s supply.

      Finally, I consider AGW a crock. The oceans of the world emit hundreds of gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere yearly while man, per year, from all of his activities, emits about 8 gigatons, a nugatory amount compared to what the oceans put out. Yes, I know that the oceans absorb a great deal of the CO2 they emit but not all of it and not everywhere. For instance, the Baltic Sea emits more gigatons of CO2 annually than it absorbs. As for true scientists who are AGW skeptics (and for which they have been pilloried by Al Gore et al.), check out such folks as Fred Singer, Roy Spencer, Richard Lindzen and Judith Curry (the last named here used to be a believer in AGW but has now turned skeptic; she is a professor of atmospheric sciences at Georgia Tech and the former chairman of that department).

      • FarmerMike says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 2:54 pm

        Wellington, Richard Heinberg makes more sense than some scientists. I’m not a scientist, just a farmer. But I remember being ridiculed for 10 minutes by a U Mass Professor of soil science in front of 200 other students, just because I reported a personal farming experience that rock dust or remineralization of soil seemed to improve soil fertility. That’s a discovery made a few decades ago by John Hamaker, an engineer from Missouri, Remineralization has been proven to improve soil fertility. Scattering rock dust is a way of not waiting for glaciers to grind down mountains to dust, to improve soil fertility.
        We also discovered this professor had received a large grant from Monsanto or some other big corporation. Scientists can be bought.
        It doesn’t bother me that Heinberg or Daly are considered left-wing. What counts in my estimation is, do they make sense? That’s what I look for.
        . And, yes, they do. More than some others. I have usually been called left-wing, myself, tho the label has not always fit.
        I will take the time to check out the folks you name, when I get some more time. I’m in the middle of a project right now. Labels are often often used as pejoratives, when one’s opponent can’t put together a cogent argument.
        I’ll get back to you in a few weeks. If I find I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.

        .

        • Wellington says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm

          They don’t make sense. They have an agenda. Their agenda is wrong. Also, they are not qualified like a Richard Lindzen or a Judith Curry is.

          Meanwhile, the atmosphere is not warming up and there has been no mean temperature increase for some 17 years. Solar activity and ocean currents have far more to do with climate than anything man does. And here’s another statistic for you, FarmerMike: Some 400 million years ago, during the Paleozoic Era, the earth went through an horrendous ice age, far more intense than the most recent one which ended about 10,000 years ago with the retreat of the Wurm (Wisconsin) glaciation. During this Paleozoic ice age CO2 levels in the atmosphere were 8-10 times higher than they are now. If CO2 causes global warming, then how does one explain what I have just conveyed to you? I know there are some who attempt to explain this by way of saying that the sun was in a cooler state at that time and thus negated the higher CO2 amounts, but I find this an attempt to put a square peg in a round hole and to confirm a very, very flawed theory, that being AGW.

          One more thing. Google “George Carlin on global warming.” Carlin was a liberal guy with whom I had many disagreements, but he got things right here, including the extraordinary arrogance and hypocrisy of the liberal mindset where the environment is concerned. Besides, it’s damn funny. All this is important because getting things right across the board is crucial in defeating Islam’s supremacist ambitions. If, when criticizing Islam, you get something else really wrong, like AGW (which is wrong) or evolution (which is not wrong), then it tends to discredit what one says about Islam. Can’t afford this.

  19. voegelinian says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 4:02 pm

    If I wanted to read Wackypedia.com drivel & blather, I’d go there.

  20. Maynard Miller says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 7:48 pm

    I mostly try to skip anything Maher says because I detest liberal trash talk, but he is right on about Islam. If we permit them to have their way Freedom of Speech will be a thing of the past in America

  21. gravenimage says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 12:18 am

    We’ve seen this same load of spam from “Christy” before.

    Ludicrous that she would cite Maimonides—he put the lie to this bs with his famous letter to the Jews of Yemen.

    Not only is this a load of tripe historically, but the truth is that only a tiny, threatened remnant of Jews survives anywhere in Dar-al-Islam today—a handful in Iran, Egypt, and Morocco; less than that in most places.

    Turkey slaughtered most of its Jewish population during the Armenian Genocide.

    In Yemen, to which Maimonides addressed his letter, fewer than 200 Jews remain—and that many only because they are officially prevented from emigrating. In 2009 a pious Muslim murdered a Jew in Yemen, screaming “Jew, accept the message of Islam!” before stabbing him to death.

    Pretending that Islam was a paradise for Jews—a group reviled and openly fair game for murder in the Qur’an—could not be more perverse.

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 12:40 am

      gravenimage,
      Your comments are no doubt meant for the general reader since they will in no way convince Christy.
      Christy is currently living in a fantasy world where truth can be whatever she wishes it to be.
      This was proven on the thread about the Islamic State beheading four children. Logic and reason will never penetrate Christy’s armor of willful ignorance.

      • gravenimage says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 10:01 pm

        Right, Jay Boo. I don’t believe that “Christy” is honestly clueless about about Islam—she seems more a deliberate whitewasher of the vile creed.

        So, yes—my comments were not specifically addressed to her, but were intended as a counter to her bullsh*t and Taqiyya.

  22. gravenimage says

    Dec 11, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    Bravo, Bill Maher!

  23. John Swallow says

    Jan 9, 2015 at 11:22 am

    If there is all of this heroic solidarity regarding this issue of the ignorant Muslims and their Prophet, who was the inspiration for this type of violence, such as when he cut off the heads of up to 800 members of the Quraiza tribe
    in Medina (Sira, p463-4) then every major news out let in the civilized world, the West, should print the cartoons and say to hell with your prophet.

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