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Malian academic: What Islamic jihad groups did in Mali “has nothing to do with Islam”

Dec 26, 2014 11:22 am By Robert Spencer

AldioumaYattara“What they did has nothing to do with Islam. They cut off people’s hands and feet.”

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.” (Qur’an 5:33)

“How can you want to impose Sharia law in a country that is already Muslim?”

A Muslim majority doesn’t automatically make for Sharia. Turkey is Muslim but has not been a Sharia state during the (rapidly drawing to a close) period of Kemalism.

“How can men and women be whipped just because they have sexual relationships without being married?”

“The woman or man found guilty of sexual intercourse – lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.” (Qur’an 24:2)

“Islamists’ acts ‘have nothing to do with Islam,'” DW, December 19, 2014:

Malian scholar Aldiouma Yattara has firsthand experience of the Islamist terror regime in his country. In an interview with DW, he describes how Islamists mainpulate [sic] religion for their own purposes….

Groups such as Ansar Dine describe themselves as “Defenders of the Faith”. They want to introduce Islamic law in northern Mali. Do you think that religion is their true motivation?

When the Islamist groups came in, they used Islam and jihad as a pretext. What they did has nothing to do with Islam. They cut off people’s hands and feet. They whipped people. We have never seen anything like this in Mali. The motivation of this group is not Islam. They want to use northern Mali, which is sparsely populated, as a base to smuggle arms and drugs. How can you want to impose Sharia law in a country that is already Muslim? 90 percent of Malians are Muslims! The world’s most important manuscripts and Mali’s largest mosques are in Timbuktu! Here people are awoken by the call of the muezzin every morning. Even the marabouts [ Islamic holy men] from Gao have confronted the jihadists and clearly told them that their actions do not conform with the Koran.

What is your understanding of jihad?

If you want to call for a jihad, if you want to convert people to Islam, then you have to be moderate in your teaching, sensitizing and moralizing. You do not need to enter a mosque with weapons in order to convince people to join the jihad. Why should weapons be used against people who already believe in Islam? How can a person cut off someone’s hands without being able to prove that person really is a thief? How can men and women be whipped just because they have sexual relationships without being married? The Islamists also destroyed hotels and bars. If a jihadist marries a woman, the other fighters have also slept with her. They are now gone and left these women with their children behind. What will happen to these children in this country?

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Filed Under: Featured, Jihad doctrine, Mali, willful ignorance Tagged With: Aldiouma Yattara, Ansar Dine


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  1. mortimer says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 11:42 am

    Implementing Sharia law has nothing to do with Islam.

  2. CogitoErgoSum says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 11:45 am

    This man is in a severe state of denial. He knows the truth is threatening to burst his bubble of illusion so he blocks out reality. It borders on the pathetic.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 26, 2014 at 12:30 pm

      Aldiouma Yattara is in fact very rational! Though a believer in ‘moderate Islam’, his opponents are not. Aldiouma Yattara points out how the jihadists opportunistically contravene the received Sunnite interpretation of Islamic law. It is to be interpreted by sober, cautious authority, rather than by hotheads. Aldiouma Yattara is not a hothead.

  3. Pere LaChaise says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 11:54 am

    The scholar expresses bewilderment about these jihadi criminals because their advent bears no relation to the traditional Islam practiced by most Malians and comes with heavy emphasis on violent thuggery. He is correct that the jihadists are a foreign element with practices inimical to Malian mainstream. The first goal is to wreck the society of Mali and in the chaos recruit all the lost souls to their violent criminal pursuits. Malians per se have no value to jihadis because their native traditional Islam is not militant enough to achieve expansionist goals of jihad. The situation is similar to Pakistan’s that way. Jihadists see the moslem population as raw material to be processed into a war machine.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Dec 26, 2014 at 7:37 pm

      You claim – “Jihadists see the moslem population as raw material to be processed into a war machine.”

      And the jihadists? – what are they? MUSLIMS, too. Muslims who take Islam fully to heart.

      It is the Muslim population that constantly *gives rise* to the jihadis.

      The Ummah or mohammedan mob, worldwide, locally and globally, *is* the sheltering and nurturing sea in which the jihadists swim and from which, ceaselessly, they arise.

      The Ummah *produces* the jihadis.

      ISLAM produces jihad.

      Jihad is hardwired into ISLAM.

      all the denial and obfuscation in the world cannot hide the simple reality – Got Muslims? GOT JIHAD. Sooner or later. But always Jihad, in the end.

      Islam is *fundamentally* warlike. – so said French sociologist Jacques Ellul.

      Winston Churchill summed up Islam as the religion of blood and war. He was right.

  4. PRCS says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 12:11 pm

    “How can a person cut off someone’s hands without being able to prove that person really is a thief?”

    Notice the deceit in this practiced liar’s response–so typical of Muslim liars everywhere (think CAIR).

    He does not condemn/denounce/renounce the act–of course; but instead deflects the listener’s attention away from it.

    He knows full well, even in Mali, what the Big Book says.

    • somehistory says

      Dec 26, 2014 at 1:20 pm

      So true. He knows that if one has been proven to be a thief, it is correct to cut off his hands. By his deflection, he has shown that he agrees with the practice. And many muslims have stated time and again…there is no moderate islam. islam is islam and islam has punishments for perceived crimes against their so-called god and false prophet.
      Mr Spencer has shown us by means of his writings, and speeches that islam is islam and islam has its punishments. For this man to say it isn’t islam is just a cover, a big fat lie.

  5. mortimer says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    But who decides when a society or region or country is ‘Islamic enough’?

    Is 90% Islamic enough? 95%? 96.2%? 98.057%?

    Whose criteria determine when a place is ‘Islamic enough’?

  6. Chabuco says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Simply put, Muslims have nothing to do with Islam and Islam has nothing to do with Islam.

  7. Guy Macher says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Why is he distancing himself from Mohamed? Is he ashamed of Mo and Satan, aka Allah?

  8. Salah says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    “Groups such as Ansar Dine describe themselves as “Defenders of the Faith”. They want to introduce Islamic law in northern Mali. Do you think that religion is their true motivation?”

    Do *you* think that religion was Muhammad’s true motivation???

    “Verily, your Lord (Allah) is ever quick to fulfill your whims and desires” Aisha (Bukhari 7.62.48)

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/10/muhammads-pimp.html

  9. J says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    “Moderate” Islam, syncretic Islam, watered down Islam is going to have a hard time surviving those armed with the full authority of Qur’an, hadith, Sira and Islamic law. Of course you can never be Islamic enough, Islam is all-encompassing. Qur’an 9:73 “strive hard against the unbelievers and hypocrites and be unyielding to them.” Hypocrites are false Muslims, those who do not follow the commands of Allah and Muhammad. Such as those who do not know the punishments for adultery or that alcohol is prohibited. “If you want to call for a jihad you have to be moderate in your teaching, sensitizing and moralizing.” Like the Messenger of Allah? “By Him in whose Hand my soul is! I would love to martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred (and so on and so on)….” Sahih al-Bukhari 2797. The We love Death and Allah loves blood thing may not be “traditional Islam” in Mali but it is traditional Islam where Islam came from and as set forth in its teachings, which, incidentally, are never to be questioned “it is not for a believer when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.” 33:36.

  10. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 3:41 pm

    Malian scholar Aldiouma Yattara has firsthand experience…

    … with using fake scholarship to be able to have somewhere to live and food to eat, and not be executed for apostasy. On this scholar from the hellhole Mali I smell the stench emanating from the steaming subintellectual carcasses of John Esposito at the U of Gougetown and Karen Armstrong up at Crumbia U. I’d mention Edward Said, from Crumbia too,k but he’s been dead a long time and the stench has disappeared cuz his subintellectual carcass is all dried up.

  11. jewdog says

    Dec 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    I think there’s a chair that needs to be endowed on behalf of such “scholars”. Let’s call it the Empty Chair. That about matches their minds.

  12. Anon says

    Dec 27, 2014 at 7:47 am

    It’s a Tiny Minority of “Extremists” (TM), right?
    I wonder just how “small” the problem is.

    Should Sharia Apply to All Citizens? – The percentage that believe this is 46.5% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 243 million people (at a minimum) believing that Sharia law should apply to all citizens.

    Penalty for Converting to Another Faith – The percentage that believe this is 67.60% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 353 million people (at a minimum) believing in the death penalty for leaving Islam.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country (collated from known sources).

  13. Elisheva says

    Dec 27, 2014 at 8:12 am

    Maybe there are some Muslims who are truly moderates and believe in a reformed version of the ideology. Christianity and Judaism has many divisions with differing belief systems. The moderates are under attack from the fanatics. There are things in the Holy Bible that most do not follow today. Fundamental Islamics took some of these teachings and see it literally while most others interpret it differently. There are many shades of grey. The lives of moderate Muslim are under attack from the fanatics. They are afraid to speak out because they become victims of death threats.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Dec 27, 2014 at 7:46 pm

      No. There is no reformed version of the ideology. There is only more Islam or less Islam. All Muslims take the Qur’an literally, they have to. All Muslims follow the example of Muhammad, they have to. Islam means submission, not thinking for yourself. There are not many shades of grey in Islam. There may be different kinds of Muslims (and even that can be purposely deceptive) but Islam is has only one shade–black. Black as hell. The Qur’an is immutable and unchangeable, innovation in religion is considered a criminal offense in Islamic law. Where are the shades of grey? Qur’an 33:36 “It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed upon a matter that they should have any option in their decision.” 4:65 “they can have no faith until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions.” What are the shades of grey in Qur’an 9:5 and 9:29 based on how Islam’s greatest clerics have understood these (clear) verses for 14 centuries? Islam is in a permanent state of war with non-Muslims and Muslims are obligated to wage this war whenever they are able and to subjugate non-Muslims when they have the “upper hand.” There is no grey area here, this is black and white. They only grey area is when Muslims are weak and outnumbered they can be “moderate” (are supposed to be moderate) and not fanatical. For self-preservation. Islam is an ideology of phases of warfare. But it’s all warfare. Al Wal wal al-Baraa. Again, based on the model of Muhammad before he founded the Islamic State. How do you moderate an ideology whose founder and perfect man is the greatest fanatic of them all?

    • Anon says

      Dec 27, 2014 at 9:01 pm

      Let’s talk about CURRENT events, not 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, etc. as a distraction.

      Please show me where more than 400 million Christians around the world believe in the death penalty for leaving Christianity.

    • jay says

      Dec 28, 2014 at 1:32 am

      That is true, but as long as Western apologists enable the silencing of criticism and open discussion over this cult, these people will continue to be victims of their own cultures. If there were enough ‘moderate’ muslims who truly were disgusted and wanted these horrors not associated with their religion, they’d do something. But what do they do a vast majority of the time? They defend Islam. They blame Israel. They are more concerned with defending Islam’s image than saving lives and reforming their religion. That, plus the fact that no country has EVER come out from under Islamic rule without outside help. Not one. These two things together leave people who want out of Islam’s violence and control without much choice.

  14. Angemon says

    Dec 27, 2014 at 9:00 am

    When the Islamist groups came in, they used Islam and jihad as a pretext. What they did has nothing to do with Islam. They cut off people’s hands and feet. They whipped people.

    Obama? Is that you?

  15. Threesixteen says

    Dec 27, 2014 at 9:40 am

    I find these denials from Muslim scholars quite fascinating. These denials wont be for long. What the Jihadis are doing is exactly in Qur’an. I pray to God Jehovah that the evils and wickedness in the Qur’an will continue to be exposed. The nature of the moon god Allah to be exposed also. The wicked foundations of Islam should also be exposed. Once these is done, wait for people to rise up against Islam.

  16. mach37 says

    Dec 27, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    “Jihad” is an Islamic word; anyone with half a brain would know that Islam is the source of jihad, thus jihad is fully Islamic in nature.

  17. jay says

    Dec 28, 2014 at 1:24 am

    So according to these people, what IS Islam ‘all about’? I keep hearing what it’s not, but never what it is. Just vague “peace”. It’s not about spirituality, Muslims don’t have any monks or nuns and their praying is cult like repetition. It would be nice to actually get a real answer what people are supposed to get from this religion if it’s not about what over 60% of their texts talk about and tens of thousands of groups from across the globe all ‘misinterpret’. Reminds me of rape apologists saying rape has nothing to do with violence.

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