Why should this be a surprise to anyone? It’s in the Qur’an: “…marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses.” (Qur’an 4:3)
How do British officials think this is going to play out in ten or twenty or thirty years, in terms of the size of the Muslim population? And what changes, if any, do they expect that will herald in British society?
“Mass polygamy in UK Muslim community – claim,” by John Bingham, the Telegraph, December 10, 2014 (thanks to John):
Polygamy is being practised on an “enormous” scale within the British Muslim community without any official attempt to stop it, it has been claimed.
A new study of the lives of Muslim women concludes that large numbers are being denied basic legal rights by being trapped in religiously sanctioned “marriages” which are not recognised in British law.
In some cases the women, often born abroad and brought to the UK for arranged marriages, are unaware about their true status for years on end.
The findings come from a study being presented to the House of Lords by the peer Baroness Cox, who has spearheaded attempt to impose new regulations on informal sharia courts.
Aurat, a Muslim women’s rights group based in the West Midlands, interviewed a sample of 50 women about their personal situations. Nine in 10 of the women described themselves as married but only one in 10 were in marriages recognised under English law having been formalised through a civil wedding or a ceremony in a Mosque registered for the purpose.
Many of the others had undergone a “Nikah” or marriage ceremony in their own home, often unaware that it lacked legal recognition.
Overall two thirds of those who identified as being “married” said that their husband had more than one wife and some had as many as four “wives”
But in some cases the women had not initially been aware of other wives, who live in separate houses.
One 32-year-old woman, given the name Ezzah in the report – although not her real name – told the researchers: “I found out afterwards that he had three more wives and he is still married to them.
“He lives with me but refuses to pay for anything. I live in his house that he bought but I claim benefits on it to pay his mortgage.”
Another, called “Asifa”, now aged 47, told how she had attempted to divorce her husband only to discover she was not properly married.
“I went to a lawyer who told me I had no legal rights as I’m seen as a girlfriend and not a wife. I just sat there in shock,” she said.
Baroness Cox said: “You can’t extrapolate straight from this but you can make a reasonable assumption that if this is not unrepresentative, this is clearly very widespread, and we are therefore dealing with enormous numbers.
“The implications for the women are very serious and it violates the fundamental principles of our country that bigamy is illegal and yet polygamy is condoned and allowed to flourish.
“It is just continuing without any comment or expression of concern but for the women it causes concern and they are suffering.
“But these are very closed communities and it is very hard to ascertain the exact extent to which this is happening.
“In some communities women … find great pressure not to speak out and bring shame on the community.”…
Michael Copeland says
This is another huge area of glaring failure by politicians. The cost of these bogus “single mums” is colossal. They are part of the destroying of Britain.
John Bingham is too kind with “informal sharia courts”. There is nothing informal about them for the muslimas trapped in their legal limbo. They are all-controlling.
cs says
EVERYTHING AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE.
My f£$kin muney!
Of course, do you think this people can afford this crap? No, they prefer to hang heavily on the society, to make it pay as a sort of Jizia.
Parasites.
Bamaguje says
“I found out afterwards that he had three more wives… He lives with me but refuses to pay for anything. I live in his house that he bought but I claim benefits on it to pay his mortgage” – polygamous Muslim wife.
Islamic polygamy at the Jizyat expense of dhimmi British taxpayers.
This is what happens in Britanistan, where it is politically incorrect taboo to criticize Muslims or Islam.
mortimer says
The cost of Islam to the taxpayer is too much. Make multiple marriage EXILE-WORTHY. Bilking the system like that should mean an immediate and permanent loss of residency. Pay for their airfare to a destination of their choice.
We cannot afford Islam in the West. It will do what it did elsewhere: poverty, backwardness, disease, misogyny, ignorance.
Alissa says
I agree Mortimer. And while the government is at it they should take aim at ANYBODY abusing the system which has been going on for generations. People collecting welfare/social assistance should have to account for every penny by showing receipts. Instead, many of them collect their welfare check and go out and blow it on some big ugly tattoo or booze/drugs, gambling and then don’t have any money to feed/clothe their kids. Their kids end up in school with no coat or food in them creating all kinds of issues for teachers and disrupting the learning of other kids and eventually drop out and become another crime stat. Lack of accountability….the scourge of our time.
cs says
That is true and sad Alissa.
Shane says
European countries allowed millions of hostile Muslims to immigrate into their countries and now the Muslims are feasting on the teats of the Socialist Welfare state. What was the point of allowing these third world Muslims into Europe?
zebo says
Pictures like this always remind of opening a muslim fast fashion shop-Burqa King
joeb says
A good friend of mine who works for a big social services office in London tells me he has Somali women coming in in niqabs, claiming they are pregnant, and they don’t know who the father is – yeah, sure…They are then put to the top of the housing list. They then get flat on the taxpayer tick. The husband then rents it out. He sends in all his wives to do this. So they get some free flats, two or three of which they rent out depending on how far they push it, and live in one themselves. This happens more often than you might think.
He said his bosses are fully aware of it, but too scared to do anything about it, as they are worried about being called racists. So he has been ordered to ask no questions and just continue the practice, and keep his mouth shut about it – the second part of which he’s failed on. If only he’d fail on the first as well, but he’s frightened of losing his cushy public sector job.
Alissa says
Of all the scumbag muslims, somalians are the worst. Even other immigrants will say this….completely void of any goodness…experts at abusing whichever government is dumb enough to let them in. They behave like gypsies. Absolutely no appreciation or respect. I see this constantly. They are pure evil.
People raising families and finding it hard to make ends meet are going to rise up. They are busy and tired and mainstream media does nothing to inform the masses of the truth. The retired demographic are the ones that should be organizing…they have no job to lose because of PC and they have the time to gather, discuss, get organized, create websites, inform. It will happen eventually. I am sure civil war will happen in Europe, the UK and north America. It’s not going to be pretty. I think everyone knows this in their gut.
11B40 says
Greetings:
There doesn’t seem to be much concern for those British taxpayers who get to supply the “benefits”to support those polygamist “Big Love” families and to pay off those extra mortgages.
Tony says
What’s the point of being a muslim if you can’t have more than one wife? In fact, a muslim without more than one “wife” should be considered gay and stoned if over the age of consent.
And isn’t it your religious duty to sabotage the Western country you live in by gaming the system? It’s really the least you can do.
michelle says
American women need to be aware of this. When I was 19, I met a guy at college from Afganistan and started dating him. After 2 months he proposed to me, and the same week my sister met him and told me he was already married to a friend of hers. And he apparently had 2 more at home. He wanted to go back. If my sister ffriend and I had done that we would’ve be caught in a nightmare. These guys come over for school and pretend they aren’t religious (when mommy and daddy aren’t around!) And drink, party and have sex- and for one thing -when they go back home , they “own” any children they have. The American woman has no rights there.
somehistory says
Glad you escaped the trap. A number of years ago, my sister worked at a community college and went for a drink after work at a place near campus. While there, she was approached by an Arab man who sat down and told her he was “Looking for a wife,” She looked at him, a stranger, and said, “Go look someplace else.” More women should tell these leeches where to go and if need be, how to get there.
mortimer says
Love jihad. Lying to kafir women is a good thing. It’s jihad. Jihad is deceit.
Champ says
Michele, thank you for sharing that story …wow, the lengths at deception that a mohammedan will go knows no bounds!
pongidae rex says
I’ve read about this before. It is an avenue to scam the government where each ‘wife’ sets up a separate household and collects welfare benefits. Multiple households collecting state benefits can rake in quite a lot of money when they pool thier resources. It is quite lucrative and pure parasitism upon the state. You welcome these people into your country, you get what you get.
maqabim says
Western social services are completely unable to deal with a culture so utterly foreign to their core assumptions. Sharia and islamic jurisprudence are totally upside-down to the western societies into which they are fleeing (presumably to escape Sharia and islamic jurisprudence?). To address these issues with half a brain, a huge reassessment of public policy in light of large scale immigration of muslims to western countries is necessary. Which of course will never happen with multi-culti moral equivalence koolaid being consumed by the political leadership en masse. Please excuse me while my head explodes.
Don McKellar says
You’d think there’d be crowds of punished UK citizens and taxpayers in the streets screaming and shouting for action against the colonizers of their country at this point! Instead they just continue to bow down and cower before their future moslem masters who continue to flood the country, and they open their wallets to pay for the covert breeding programs under sharia law. Don’t the free people in the UK look at their children and envision the horrific future that awaits them? How could they be so completely clueless as the nightmare unfolds in front of them — so gradually, so inevitably? And they do virutally nothing to stop it. Completely insane.
Salah says
“You’d think there’d be crowds of punished UK citizens and taxpayers in the streets screaming and shouting for action against the colonizers…”
You nailed it, Don McKellar. That’s exactly what I’ve been advocating here on JW for years: A Massive Popular Uprising.
This is the ONLY decent and civilized solution. Other than that, the only choices left would be a) a bloody civil war or b) a shameful and humiliating surrender.
Again, they’ve done it in my country – Egypt, and THEY’VE WON.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-end-of-muslim-brotherhood.html
jayell says
You miss the point. See joeb’s post above. These muslim men only claim ONE wife, as per UK law, and all the other ‘wives’ are not officially recognised as such but as ‘unmarried mothers’ who claim welfare and housing benefit. That way the British taxpayer has to observe the rules (which were NOT intended for this purpose) and support the families of these lying, thieving b*stards (pardon my French). But then these oh-so-superior muslims claim the right to be supported by the mere kuffar. The authorities ought to change the rules, but you have to PROVE that the polygamous wives ARE polygamous wives, which would put them all in a very sticky legal situation. And also it might backfire on our own licentious young females who are not exactly famed for their moral standards.
joeb says
Yep, that’s it. Thanks for making it more clear than I did!
pumbar says
There are, you just don’t hear about it;
Dave J says
Yet another reason why Mohammad attracts criminal and devious converts – sex with multiple wives (they can’t refuse) and cheat the welfare system at the same time. Children with multiple partners accelerates the Islamic population explosion and if either wives or children get uppity you can just kill them.
Champ says
Why should this be a surprise to anyone? It’s in the Qur’an: “…marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses.” (Qur’an 4:3)
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The quran is indeed *unholy*; as it teaches mohammedans to commit all sorts of sins: lying, steeling, pedophelia, misogyny, mass murder and mass polygamy …hmm, what better way to increase the numbers and spread this demonically inspired, and evil cancer: islam.
dlbrand says
“Mass polygamy in UK Muslim community .”
Well of course there is. Such is basic Islam, and wherever Islam is practiced, Islam will be practiced.
Wellington says
Historians very much tend to divide the past into eras or periods. For instance, early American history is often divided into the Colonial, Revolutionary, Early National and Middle periods, then followed by the Civil War and Reconstruction era and so on. For purposes of future history here’s one possible division: Pre-Nikah Britain and Post-Nikah Britain.
Charli Main says
Why is Britain the country of choice for all those “poor, oppressed” Muslims swarming into Europe?????????
Because, not only do they get paid to breed like cockroaches, they also get to carry on living and behaving just as they did in whatever Muslim shithole they ran away from,
and they get to do it in a FREE taxpayer funded house with bags of FREE taxpayer funded benefits. Not to mention FREE taxpayer funded health care.
Walter Sieruk says
On the subject of polygamy it should be stated that God gave Adam one wife. Furthermore, in the New Testament Jesus taught “For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife.” Matthew 19:5. Jesus said “wife” not wives. Nevertheless, in spite of this there are still some people acting a apologists for polygamy will bring up the king David and then king Soloman engaged in it. Those people aeen’t taking into account that the only reason God did tolerate this tradtion was not because it was right or that He approved of it. God allowed this practice of having many wives because it was such an entrenched custom in the ancient Middle East that God did allow it for the above mentioned kings of Israel. This did not mean that this ancient custom was to keep on going in other times and places.
Champ says
Great points, Walter …
And “Got Questions” answers this more succincty and thoroughly:
Question: “Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/polygamy.html
Excerpt …
Are there some instances in which the allowance for polygamy would still apply today? Perhaps, but it is unfathomable that there would be no other possible solution. Due to the “one flesh” aspect of marriage, the need for oneness and harmony in marriage, and the lack of any real need for polygamy, it is our firm belief that polygamy does not honor God and is not His design for marriage.
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Great answer! ..and I concur 🙂
Champ says
typo: succinctly
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Power is always about money, this was true even back before money was invented. Back then wealth was measured in tools, territory… and wives. Power is about prosperity. Moslemo-polygamy is as just as money oriented as Mormon polygamy: more wives you have the wealthier you are. It’s a signal of prosperity.
But the Mormons paid for their own wives. Moslemo-polygamy is a happier and more sordid kind where the Infidels, including even a small number of Mormons, pay for the Moslem’s extra wives.
The standard procedure in America is to have the three extra wives legally declare themselves sluts by filing for AFDC with the County as an unwed mother. There is no checking of of mosque marriage records. So a prosperous Moslem taxi in Eden Prairie MN has got three wives popping out welfare babies. You do the arithmetic, the money can really add up in such an operation, with maybe 12 – 15 bastards collecting hundreds per head. Makes it worth all those trips back and forth to the international airport.
The fecund Moslimas of course naturally assume that the Infidel man must pay, and that’s a bonus, a small pleasure of punishment or even revenge on the soulless Infidel. But the important part for any wife with children is the money.
RonaldB says
Once you establish the principle that the government has total responsibility for all people,and total right to private resources, this sort of abuse will be inevitable. I’m sure it’s happening in Sweden, Norway, and the other solidly-socialist European countries. It’s going to eventually happen in the United States. The more immigrants, the more political pressure to open up welfare. The more welfare the more immigrants.
There’s a standard capitalist argument about how the people who earn the money are more vigilant to safeguard it than the people who confiscate it. The dreary bureaucrats described by Joeb are making far more money and have far more rank than they could ever achieve in the private sector: they control vast resources, and all they need to do is to not rock the boat. But, you also have the entrepreneurial socialist, who engages in imaginative schemes to extend government control.
The flat-out socialists, like Obama, see everything as being owned by everyone, and so they have not much interest in protecting any specific type of culture or resource. They think it’s more important to give people a home than it is to protect private property…and since they don’t think in terms of yours versus mine, they don’t think about protecting their own country.
The logic seems to indicate the only real way to fight this is to dry up the resources available to the government (British, in this case) to pass around; to give power to localities, companies, and individuals, rather than to the government.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
It’s going to eventually happen in the United States.
Just to throw out a figure, I’d say there are maybe 50,000 Moslemo-polygamy marriages in America today, which is not in the future. At an avg of 2 extra wives, each with 3 bastards, that’s totals $75 million in monthly welfare fraud cases. But as can be easily seen, we are not a nation of laws anymore, we’re a nation of lawyers. Been that way for a few decades now. So the Infidel elite will wring its hands over polygamy, to protect the women. But there will be no wringing of hands of the $75 million with every passing moon as a furtive reward for welfare fraud, which is a felony.
don vito says
The point is that these mainstream moslems are gaming the system. This illeagal act of poligamy shows the intolerence inherit in moslem beliefs and actions. This mainstream moslem acts and beliefs are intolerant of western law, customs, morality. Since moslems have an agenda of destroying western culture through their beliefs, and actions, they must be the focal point of western attention. The moslems must occupy the limelight they so ernistly desire. Let this limelight show their arrogance, hatred, envy, their destructive nature. Let this limelight expose the ignorance and bizzaro world that moslems occupy in western culture, this includes moslem supporters in the west. Miss Christy, for the acid attack in the face of western culture, thank you. I hope, that you, unlike many women in occupied Iraq by Is, are able to keep your private sex genitalia, if western culture is ever defeated by this most extreme and intolerant bizzaro belief system.
Boston Tea Party says
“Open Doors, an Evangelical group, put nine Muslim states on its “Top 10″ list for 2011 of the most dangerous places for Christians, including Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia and Iran.”
But let’s make sure we don’t let that statistic get in the way of our Holy Religion of Multiculturalism and Cultural Relativism. Let’s make sure we defend Islam by pointing out a bunch of statistically miniscule examples of other oppression of other groups oppressing Christians.
Pathetic nonsense, exactly analogous to saying, in 1942, “Why are we singling out the Nazis for anti-Semitism, when you can find lots of other countries who don’t treat the Jews that well? Why, in the US, sometimes Jews are barred from country clubs. Make sure you remember that the next time you’re inclined to single out the Nazis for their treatment of Jews.”
Tradewinds says
Demographic Jihad.
cs says
Surely. At our expense.
Arg says
Is there a more contemptible group on earth than British Muslims? Forced underage marriages. Polygamy. Organized child rape. Welfare hogs. Honor killings. Terrorism. Inbreeding. Turning state funded schools into madrassas that promote jihad. Exporting Jihad to the Middle East (apparently at least one “British Value” has rubbed off on them, irony). And on top of all this they have the gall to scream “islamophobia” at those who dare to point these things out.
I studied in England in 2005-2006 when the English Defense League was getting off the ground. Back then, everyone at Cambridge (where I was studying) just assumed that the EDL was a far-right racist organization like the BNP. Soon enough though, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and atheists all started joining .. Muslims are the ONE group that refuses to integrate. Since then, things have just gotten worse.
I’m American/atheist, but my parents were Indian/hindu. I remember arriving in England a little disturbed by seeing so many “indians” working as janitors at the airport (as compared to the US where most Indians are well off professionals). In hindsight, it is comforting to know these were likely Pakis.
somehistory says
OT: One *unnamed* store, very large, carried in its bath-ware department, bundles of wash cloths, ten or twelve to a bundle. The country of origin, Pakistan. The cloth was very, very thin, see-through fabric, and already dingy dirty. And Pakistanis in the U.S. don’t like to be mistaken for Indians. It angers them. Most likely a religious thing.
cs says
Let me think deeply: OK, I DID.
Bullcrap.
Tradewinds says
cs – “Christy” (aka Abdullah) has been posting the above lengthy comment on many articles for the last week. Pay no attention. Hey Abdullah – stop regurgitating your islam propaganda, we’re not interested in your BS.
cs says
I know brother! LOL
He does not fool me, though that is not impossible, he got to do beter. LOL.
Salah says
ATTENTION
“…marry those that please you of women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then one or those your right hand possesses.” (Qur’an 4:3)
WRONG translation.
While all translations of this verse are identical and while all Muslims and Muslim scholars agree on the above translation, *I* disagree.
مَثْنَى وَثُلاَثَ وَرُبَاعَ
Has always been translated as: “two OR three OR four”
An exact and accurate translation should read: “two AND three AND four”
The arabic letter “و” means “and”. It CANNOT mean “or” and it CANNOT mean anything else.
Copy it and try it on Google Translate or on ANY other translation program. You’ll get the same result: ” و ” means ” and ” … nothing else.
N.B. 2 + 3 + 4 = 9, the number of Muhammad’s “legal” wives.
Louis says
It’s happening here in Australia.
A school teacher friend of mine knows of a muslim who arrives at school every day with his three wives and several children.
Not one of them are employed. They are quite happy to pick up their welfare payments each week and laugh in our face.
What is that costing the Australian taxpayer every year?.We are being taken for a very expensive ride.How many more are involved in the same scam?.It is scandalous,and it’s about time politicians did something to put a stop to it instead of sitting on their politically correct rears turning a blind eye.
Gamaliel says
Welfare will bring about the end of Western Civlization. Not only is it proliferating Jihadis in our midst but it also is creating a growing non-Muslim dependent class that is already burning businesses in places like Ferguson. Just imagine what will happen when the American economy collapses which it’s relentlessy increasing debt will cause it to do. Imagine the riots and burning and looting that will take place then.
clifford hall says
Christy
You are spinning at second hand. You know very well it’s a question of scale.
Would you like to explore the “compelling examples” of joint Moslem/Christian endeavor world-wide? You can’t bake a cake with one.
clifford hall says
Christ
Incidentally, your scissors and paste job mentions Pope Benedict. Like all Christians he perceives of one humanity – agreed. But now deal with his Regensburg lecture.
clifford hall says
I see I refer to you as “Christ”. Of course I meant ‘Christy’. Wouldn’t want us to be talked about and besides I don’t see you as any sort of ‘coming’ – at least not yet.
Spartan24 says
It’s happening here in the US too an has been for some time, 20 years ago I had several friends who had to put up with this nonsense with some of them only finding out after several years of marriage. In one situation the Muslim man was married to 4 women who all claimed single mother status and had full welfare packages with section 8 apartments, food stamps, WIC, ect. The man would take a couple of classes at the local community college while he worked part time under the table for a Muslim “brother” so he’d have a little spending money. However he rotated apartments and since he didn’t have a permanent address he was given benefits as a “homeless” person, plus he obviously wasn’t reporting his income made at his illegal job. Another woman had several children by a couple of different Muslim men and couldn’t have any more, limiting her usefulness so she ended up married to a man that already had a family. Obviously his supportive abilities were limited since he already had his own kids to support- Muslim men aren’t required to support step kids- and she was working. One time I picked her up at work and dropped her off at her car since she had allowed him to borrow her car while his was at the shop. When she got in her car expecting some money for groceries she found a note and 15.00 dollars- this was in 1994 but it still didn’t go very far. Space requirements prevent any more stories but I could tell many more- understand that most Muslim men are either married when they come here or are just looking for a quick way to get permanent residency and therefore bring their “real Muslim wife” to a western country.
Brian Hoff says
There is no way this can be stop by law. In america many state are legality pot against the DEA attemp to make pot illegality like they did in the 1930’s. It like try to stop than tidal wave that hit Indonesa in 2004.
Babs says
This will continue until the government makes civil marriage a condition of sharia “marriage” and that anyone who wants to marry in sharia must produce a civil marriage certificate. If that is in place then any man who takes more than one “wife” can be charged with bigamy and dealt with accordingly in secular law
A Muslima I know, a convert to Islam, was told by her husband’s family that she did not need to get a civil marriage certificate. The silly fool believed them.
Spartan24 says
And I’ll bet the “silly fool” was dumped and left penniless by the “husband” who probably abused her from day one. This is a little strange since convert Muslim women generally exist as serial marriage partners to get foreign Muslim men permanent residency. I knew several who had been married to several Muslim men in succession, gathered 2-3 kids for each marriage and ended up single and possibly without some of their kids when they hit menopause.