Al-Ghamdi is actually correct when he says: “No one is saying that it is not allowed for a woman to cover her face, but I am saying that it is not obligatory and I have evidence in jurisprudence of this.”
A hadith has Aisha recount that Muhammad said to a woman: “‘O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this,’ and he pointed to her face and hands.” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4092)
But it is customary in some areas for Muslim women to cover their faces as well, as the whole idea of the veiling is to remove temptation from men, and the face can tempt some men. Thus al-Ghamdi is now facing calls for him to be tortured or killed.
“Saudi cleric, who once headed Mecca’s religious police, receives death threats after his wife appears with him on TV wearing make-up and without a veil,” by Belinda Robinson, Daily Mail, December 19, 2014:
A Saudi cleric who once headed Mecca’s religious police has received death threats after his wife appeared with him on TV wearing make-up without a veil.
Sheikh Ahmed al-Ghamdi and his wife told the audience of a chat show that Islam does not require women to hide their faces behind a niqab in public.
However his ‘radical’ views have created a storm of controversy after his smiling wife, Jawaher bint Al-Sheikh Ali, was seen uncovered, even wearing nail varnish.
‘Happy now? Every mobile phone now has a picture of your wife, you pimp,’ one outraged post on Twitter read.
On the show, Al-Ghamdi told viewers: ‘The Prophet did not order women to cover their faces. Wearing make-up is allowed.’
‘No one is saying that it is not allowed for a woman to cover her face, but I am saying that it is not obligatory and I have evidence in jurisprudence of this.’
It’s a shocking U-turn for the former head of the religious police who was responsible for policing the dress code and behaviour of Saudi citizens to ensure that they met strict religious requirements.
The ‘police’ work on behalf of King Abdullah and make sure that people do not go against strict Islamic rule. They patrol the streets checking dress code and strict separation of men and women.
The host of the TV show, Badria al-Bishr, also appeared with her face uncovered in a move praised by liberals.
At the time of writing, the interview had racked up over a million views on YouTube since it aired over the weekend.
But Al-Ghamdi told local paper, Al-Watan, that he had received several death threats with one radical cleric allegedly calling for him to be ‘tortured.’
Saudi Arabia’s most senior cleric, the Grand Mufti, Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Sheikh joined the chorus of condemnation against him and urged him to ‘ask repentance from God, and back away from this mistake.’
Al-Sheikh told news website Sabq: ‘My message to Sheikh al-Ghamdi is to fear God.’
Meanwhile, a group of Saudis from Jeddah said they will take legal action over the stunt….
Angemon says
Is CAIR looking into these obviously islamophobic threats? Perhaps Brian Hoff should “get these to theyre atenttoin”…
Don McKellar says
What a joke, and we see this from virtually all pious moslems: “Al-Sheikh told news website Sabq: ‘My message to Sheikh al-Ghamdi is to fear God.’” This man has absolutely nothing to fear from any god, allah or otherwise. He only has the insanity of his fellow moslems who go bat shit insane at the drop of a hat. Without question or conjecture, it is because of their cult-like lifestyle and belief system. Banging your head on the floor five times a day and ranting about hating people who are anyting less than “perfect” moslems, and then having regular hate sermons delivered that say the same — all based on some unobtainable standard of barbarity and evil — does that to people. Espectially if you’re heavily inbred and deficient as the elite of Islam are thanks to centuries of slavish adherence to the books of evil and doing exactly as they command.
Garry says
I think your comment of this being cult is apposite (as opposed to apostate)!!! I watched a programme on Al Jazeera English earlier today entitled “The Girls of the Taliban” which was a real eye opener into the indoctrination that is currently occurring in religious schools in a number of areas in Afghanistan. If this indoctrination is occurring widely in the Islamic world I am not surprised that we are seeing an upsurge in extremist ideologies.
I have included a link to the programme as it makes very interesting viewing:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2014/12/girls-taliban-2014121716718177928.html
Coolio says
Thanks Garry, a fascinating progrmme.
particolor says
If that Pair were living in Australia, they would have 16 Kids and living on Social Welfare !!
jayell says
“If that Pair were living in Australia, they would have 16 Kids and living on Social Welfare”….exactly like they would in the UK!
particolor says
And Anywhere else they Park their Bludging Arses !!
jayell says
“And Anywhere else they Park their Bludging Arses !!”…..But they never pay parking charges!!! In fact, it seems they GET PAID for ‘parking their Bludging Arses’ wherever and whenever we have the ‘privilige’ of supporting their rear ends!!
BC says
It is a joke in more ways than that. Muslims are so robot like in their obedience to all their rules. For example there was a Muslims woman in my gym today with the obligatory headscarf. She was also wearing tight red pants (UK trousers)! Now what is more sexy a woman’s bum or her hair? It is not the first time I have seen this odd combination.
particolor says
How many Guesses am I allowed ?
Matthieu Baudin says
Slow and painful steps into the modern world. Saudi Arabia is a place frozen in time. Our universal civilization may one day welcome this land and people to the fold. The human face is one of the wonders of the natural world.
mortimer says
‘Modernity’ has nothing to do with a ‘perfect’, ‘complete’ and ‘eternal’ revelation. If it is modified, it is no longer ‘perfect’ or ‘complete’ or ‘eternal’.
The only hope is to prove to Muslims that the Koran is of purely human origin.
Matthieu Baudin says
Good points Mortimer. We need to remember those millions of people who are born into Muslim households, who either aren’t particularly religious by nature or who have grave doubts about the divine status of the Koran and the personality of Mohammed. By and large these people want to live normal lives in the modern world alongside you and I, however they are seldom reached and instead we forever hear the views of authority figures within Islamic Societies; Imams, Clerics, Mullahs, community leaders and so forth. Having read the whole Koran I feel that the book is unsalvageable as a religious text to guide future humanity, however I’m only one fallible person and may be wrong.
BC says
Actually Saudi Arabia is more complex than it appears, there are a lot of women getting degrees
in Universities, and many women in managerial positions. At the same time they are of course covered head to foot in black and unable to drive their own car!
Matthieu Baudin says
Yes your right BC, thanks for the comments. Saudi Arabia is fantastically wealthy, plenty of people have sought higher education, and many women have used opportunities to further themselves wherever opportunities have arisen. It’s probably more accurate to say that the country runs on a type of dual track, one more or less frozen in time in keeping with a year zero Mohammedian mindset and the other employing oil wealth to create a superstructure providing many of the trappings and symbols of modern life with the truly wealthy some of the most ostentatious dandies on the globe.
R Cole says
This Islam and its laws are a little like pre-school.
It is as though you are never allowed to grow up. [But told that by joining it you will gain superior intelligence – behold ~ what is actually gained!]
That to integrate Islam into our societies – we will be like the class that is held back for a few years – so the others can catch up. Even as they believe they don’t need to.
Muslims are engaging in religious holy wars – now – something that we had previously only read about in history books. Yet at the same time – they believe they are made more advanced by it. Thereby, it is we who should take heed of their Islamic ways and not the other way around.
This is slightly more than a little local delusion.
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Of course the logic here is – this cleric asked his wife to join him because he wants her to reach out to women viewers – but Islam increasingly is not about logic – today.
mortimer says
A brilliant analogy! It would be hilarious if it weren’t so painfully true. The strutting, pompous asses of Islam.
profitsbeard says
Since he was the head of the “religious police” I think killing him would make the world a better place, for whatever insane reason the death occurred.
One less lunatic is always a good thing for Civilization.
mortimer says
His heart may have changed with the teenagers were forced to stay in a burning school because they didn’t have proper head covering. They died.
mortimer says
‘Moderate Islam’ will get you killed quick in Soddy Barbaria.
St. Croix says
Goodness gracious! In the video Al-Ghamdi was smiling and cracking up and his wife seemed to be enjoying herself as well. What blasphemy!
Bezelel says
I can’t understand how the leftists can excuse all this islamic rubbish. The saudi’s are calling for torture and I don’t think they mean waterboarding.
Matthieu Baudin says
Dear Bezelel, the left these days no longer gets very excited about social equality, freedom or human rights but instead is focused upon cultural rights. This mentality shares a lot with the Apartheid thinking of South Africa years ago, where society is compartmentalized, with each section doing its own thing, responding to its own values and ultimately living by its own laws. It’s called cultural relativism and the idea is that we keep out of each others way and not get involved in other cultural groups business. It’s assumed that you need to be part of a Cultural or minority group in order to understand it and that outside interference equals oppression. Therefore ‘life and limb’ issues like torture just aren’t such a big deal for the left today. Instead, the left has drifted into an ultra conservative realm where the leaders of cultural groups are regularly sought for their opinions while the individuals often languishing under their authority are bypassed and ignored. The human rights offensive had an effect in bringing down Marxist totalitarianism because Marxism dealt with universal principles of human welfare however the left these days is content to leave human rights maters to each cultural group to work out for itself.
Know Thy Enemy says
I am all for leaving “human rights maters to each cultural group”. Muslims are more than free to move to [current] Muslim majority countries and work their problems out for themselves. I promise I will not get involved in their business except to show the world and say, “Look world, this is what happens when people practice Islam, so are you sure you want this insanity in your countries?”
What I hate is them trying to practice Islam in non-Muslim [majority] countries! … And that is where I have an uncompromising difference with the Left!
Matthieu Baudin says
Thanks ‘Know Thy Enemy’ for a very interesting reply. I agree that it’s really important that we don’t let our own countries become swamped by Islam either through mass migration or by compromising ourselves by taking on board Islamic prohibitions and their never ending cultural baggage. The greatest contribution we can make to the world and to ourselves is to remain as living examples of decent places to live, instead of turning into insecure divided social basket cases. In addition to this, however, it would be good to help in some way the persecuted and terrorized minorities being steamrollered by the current global jihad. I’d find it hard to sleep at night if we were to disengage from the Moslem world and simply leave its victims to their fate.
Bezelel says
Matthieu, It seems you’ve touched on the multiculturalist mentality and I tend to agree with your summation. It’s in no small part due to Hollywierd’s indoctrination. Star Trek has the “Prime Directive” the protocol when encountering new civilizations for one example. The “New Normal” is currently a social trend that has labeled me a xenophobe. For all of the verbal gymnastics designed to justify degeneration in the name of tolerance, the so called tolerant ones of the left are extremely bigoted and intolerant toward (xenophobes). The change they propose, by demonstration, is to drop kick the reference point for sanity into the sewer and attack anyone who tries to retrieve it.If only they would confine their actions to themselves.
Matthieu Baudin says
Thanks Bezelel. Isn’t the Multicultural quagmire awful! It must be a good thirty years that we’ve lived with it. No one seems to know how the term ‘multiculturalism’ was born, and probably any term ending with ‘ism’ ought to be taken as a little suspect. However, the thing that I think has happened over a thirty or so year span is a movement from what we could call a small ‘M’ multiculturalism that stressed a little extra awareness and sensitivity to different cultural groups to a big ‘M’ multiculturalism that we are plagued with today, which is strident and preachy and equates any notions of integration with oppression and prejudice. What we have today is truly fanatical posturing from the New (Postmodernist) Left opinion leaders. It may be that as ‘real’ prejudice has declined dramatically over the years the field has been taken over by these more radical and rigid social and political attitudes.
Richie says
The left shares the Muslim hatred of the Jews and Israel, plus Muslims and leftists both want all governments to be socialist or communist nanny states, and both hate America- so they share much in common- EVERY single time the Muslims attack Israel, the liberal media always paints the Muslims a the victims
Matthieu Baudin says
Hi Richie. Israel is in a position to be a leading cultural centre in the Middle East serving the entire region. The major problem holding things back is the Moslem intransigence regarding Lands of Islam. The rule for the land and people is the same; ‘once belonging to Islam, always belonging to Islam’. The handing back of the Gaza Strip tested the flexibility of local attitudes to an accommodation of non Moslems exercising self determination. The lesson to be drawn from the experience of the handover is that the prevailing attitude is one of ‘all or nothing’ or ‘we want the lot’. Having said that, to me Israel is primarily an achievement in creating a home for cultural Jewry and an opportunity to end the problems of the diaspora. On a further note, I’d personally be happy for some sections of the Old Testament to be abandoned and for Revelations in the New Testament to be dropped. Perhaps it’s time for a spring clean of the Holy books.
Wellington says
And here’s the best of it: This guy, who formerly headed Mecca’s religious police (yeah, “religious police,” can you believe it?) is, by Saudi and Middle Eastern standards, a moderate or perhaps even a progressive.
Oh the humanity!
pumbar says
Couldn’t they both wear veils? For the sake of my eyes.
Salah says
“On the show, Al-Ghamdi told viewers: ‘The Prophet did not order women to cover their faces. Wearing make-up is allowed.’ ”
Of course wearing make up is allowed. It is allowed for women, for men and for…”prophets”!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/drawing-muhammad-dessiner-mahomet.html
ricarrdo says
Im sure Muhammed splashed a little “Ode de Goats azz” on just before fornicating with one of his domesticated farm animals
Alicia says
All shall reap as they sow.
Job 4:8
As I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.
Proverbs 22:8
Whoever sows injustice will reap calamity, and the rod of his fury will fail.
Hosea 10:12-13
Sow for yourselves righteousness; reap steadfast love; break up your fallow ground, for it is the time to seek the Lord, that he may come and rain righteousness upon you. You have plowed iniquity; you have reaped injustice; you have eaten the fruit of lies. Because you have trusted in your own way and in the multitude of your warriors,
Hosea 8:7-10
For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads; it shall yield no flour; if it were to yield, strangers would devour it. Israel is swallowed up; already they are among the nations as a useless vessel. For they have gone up to Assyria, a wild donkey wandering alone; Ephraim has hired lovers. Though they hire allies among the nations, I will soon gather them up. And the king and princes shall soon writhe because of the tribute.
Proverbs 11:27
Whoever diligently seeks good seeks favor, but evil comes to him who searches for it.
Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matthew 26:52
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
Alicia says
“The Prophet” – do we need any more proof that Islam is a cult of itself; with no precedence in teachings other than those plagiarized?
Islam – 1400 years of murders, rapes and destruction.
Islam was and will always be a 7th century Arabic cult with no possibility of accepting any other people nor religion. Even non-Arab Muslims are at best, second class Muslims – there is no exception in their literature to accept a non-Arab onto the throne of a Caliph.
mumumental says
i wonder what is the official position of muhammad and allah in their torture camp in hell regarding the superior islamic race’s use of dirty infidel’s evil technology like mobile phones, televisions and computers.
Alicia says
The Quran is rife with stories on Jinns. In Islam, Allah not only created angels and Mankind, he also created Jinns; who could be either good or evil.
The idea of Jinns follows very closely with Arabian mythology, Islam wasn’t just about mixing Judaism and Christianity with new teachings. It was a mixture of Arabian mythology mixed with pagan and even occult rituals and beliefs.
The Quran includes numerous mentions of Jinns and there are even instances where Allah uses the evil ones to do his tidings. So, handphones are permissible.
Islam IS a cult. Like other cults, they are opportunists. While extolling puritanical practices, they will never lose an opportunity to create new laws or bend old ones as long as the elite within the cult benefit.
One should not miss the opportunity to read “Islam – In light of History” by Dr Rafat Amari. A Word and PDF version are available for free download.
particolor says
They constantly update their Cooran to accommodate these Infidel Inventions ! As long as Jaziya has been paid, it is OK to use them !!.. I think its the only Unholy book in the World to be updated every time someone forces them into a corner ??
Richie says
I wonder if the day will come when Muslim women are required to wear a collar and a leash?
Ricarrdo says
They already do.
particolor says
Is Your Mutt Licenced ??
VLParker says
What goes around comes around.
What a bunch of freaking lunatics.
Jay Boo says
Someone at Jihad Watch had mentioned that in Islam it is permissible to have ‘relations’ with either goats or sheep,— I forget which.
If this is actually true, why don’t Muslims insist on veiling their female farm animals as well.
ricarrdo says
So eloquently written. LMAOLOL
particolor says
Foghorn Leghorn is growing a Beard now, before giving His Veiled Chickens a Seeing too !!.. Look what you’ve started now ??
ricarrdo says
Muslims killing muslims. whats the down side?
ricarrdo says
Islam is a cancerous tumor on the ass of the world
albert says
I am no oil painting myself so I am loathe to criticise other males looks, but seriously most muslim men are fat, sweaty and ugly with ridiculous looking facial hair, if women in their society had complete free will most of them would be single and celibate.
Alicia says
The beards are to make them look fierce during battles. Islam was and will always be about wars and battles. Forced conversions, to create a bigger force and enjoying the spoils of war was and still is Islams main aim.
There is no religiosity about Islam, it was from the very beginning a mishmash of plagiarism from Torah, Talmud, and Bible with rituals and beliefs from Arabian mythology and occult and Sabaens.
They are lying when they say they belong to the Abrahamic religious family.
Four of the Five Pillars of Islam are solely based on Sabaen practices. The fifth deals with taxation. The Quran is rife with Arabian mythology and Jinn beliefs as it is with plagiarizing and then distorting Biblical texts.
Once you know these, you will then more readily understand that Islam is a cult – or fascism with a deep-rooted and outwardly religious practicum which can and should be applied to the entire world. However, leadership at the very highest level is constrained to a very specific Arab clan and a very specific language is deemed superior to others, Arabic.
BlueRaven says
Really well put.
Alicia says
In Mohammad, Muslims have been taught that the sword is the solution to all problems.
When there is a dispute, use the sword. In today’s context, what we see is a manifestation of using the sword to settle disputes or to solve problems.
Muslims cannot change their ways. It is written in the Quran that they do exactly as Mohammad. It is for this very reason – using the sword to settle disputes and to forward aspirations, that we have such a monumental problem within Islam and with Muslims.
Paul says
This just goes to show the ignorance that is being dealt with in these countries!
They treat their dogs better than they treat their women!