Now wait a minute. In the West, both Muslim and non-Muslim leaders constantly tell us that groups like the Taliban are un-Islamic, and that anyone who dares to suspect otherwise is a racist, bigoted Islamophobe. Now Abdul Aziz is saying the exact opposite. Is he ignorant of the contents of the books he is waving around in the photo? Has he somehow missed, in his lifelong study of Islam, the Qur’an’s vaunted teachings of peace and tolerance? It would be refreshing if one of the Muslim or non-Muslim spokesmen in the West were to take up Abdul Aziz’s challenge of a debate. None will do so, however — which is interesting in itself.
“Pak Red Mosque cleric calls anti-Taliban fight ‘un-Islamic,'” Press Trust of India, December 19, 2014:
The hardline cleric of Pakistan’s infamous Red Mosque here today stoked fresh controversy by calling the military offensive against Taliban militants in the North Waziristan region “un-Islamic”.
Abdul Aziz, who survived a 2007 military operation against militants hiding in the mosque when he was caught trying to escape wearing a burqa, said he can prove that the military operation was against the teachings of Islam.
“This operation in the North Waziristan is un-Islamic,” Aziz said.
“I can debate this issue…Call scholars from abroad — from India and Bangladesh — and I will prove that this operation is un-Islamic,” he said.
Aziz in a TV appearance after Tuesday’s Peshawar school attack in which 148 people died refused to unconditionally condemn the attack claimed by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).
He has hypocritically expressed grief at the loss of life, and said the TTP’s response to the military operation was understandable.
The TTP has said the attack was a revenge for an ongoing military offensive against its strongholds in the tribal northwest.
The army has killed more than 1,700 militants since June in operations against the TTP and other militants in North Waziristan and Khyber tribal areas.
The cleric’s reaction to the attack, drew protests from furious civil society members outside the mosque. They shouted slogans against the cleric.
Dozens of policemen were deployed to ward off any confrontation between protesters and Aziz’s supporters.
The cleric, who has issued statements in favour of Islamic State terrorists group, has been preaching extremism in the heart of the Pakistani capital.
He has already wriggled himself out of several charges of murder, kidnapping, waging war on the State among others to the surprise of many.
The Red Mosque enjoys an iconic status among Pakistani extremists. The cleric has even named a library in his madrasa after Osama bin Laden.
The 2007 siege was triggered after its leaders sent students armed with sticks onto the city’s streets to try and impose hardline Sharia laws.
With the mosque complex stocked with illegal weapons at least 100 people died during the fighting, outraging militants across the region and triggering the formation of the TTP itself.
Aziz’s younger brother was also killed in the siege.
Angemon says
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Who could have seen that one coming?
/sarc off
mortimer says
Islam has nothing to do with Islam. I will debate you and prove it.
Neil Jennison says
Yesterday the BBC ran a story about ISIS releasing a document explaining the laws governing the use of sex slaves.
At no point whatsoever did the BBC mention that these rules are in the Qur’an. In fact, watching the BBC story one would assume that ISIS had invented the whole idea and it was totally contrary to Mohammed’s teachings.
Unbelievable!!
RonaldB says
Let me make a suggestion.
Robert Spencer, or one of the other real experts on Islam, should take Abdul Aziz up on his offer to debate. Robert would offer all of the arguments given in the “fatwas” put out by the defenders of Islam in the West. Mainly, cite the Mecca-period teachings, which involve tolerance and peace.
Of course, Robert will be trounced. Abdul will cite the principle of abrogation, Islamic law, and the very forceful teachings of Islamic scholars for the past thousand years. He will prove conclusively that Islam allows, and mandates, murder, theft, torture, oppression, the humiliation of non-Muslims, and the beating of women.
After Robert’s humiliating defeat, he can put up a YouTube video: “Robert Spencer loses debate on Islam to Islamic scholar”.
Know Thy Enemy says
I think yours is a great suggestion! Robert should accept Abdul’s offer to debate this issue (and more).
David says
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am quite weary of the continuous need to point out the obvious about the ever-shifting sands of islamic scholarship, the political idiocy and deception of trying to force the square peg of islam into the round hole of democratic societies, and the vile and violent practices of the islam which is not really islam. Our societies, as imperfect as they may be in many areas, are suffering an onslaught of malcontents, useful idiots for the multitude of enemies that infest our democratic lands and seek our downfall. Many of these enemies have snuck in through the front doors of our prestigious universities, or received their education in one of the many halls of learning euphemistically referred to as jails and penitentiaries, or they do it the old fashioned way, they are voted in to political office at some level. They are permitted to take to the streets, faces covered, and attack our basic lines of defence, our community police, riled up by some perceived wrong to someone while committing a criminal attack. These people need to be dealt with soon, swiftly, and decisively. I, and other right-thinking people are tired of it. Let’s hope they allow us to have a peaceful holiday season, but I have some doubts. Now, I extend to everyone my wishes for a very Merry Christmas, including our muslim friends wherever they may be lurking.
RonaldB says
“I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am quite weary of the continuous need to point out the obvious about the ever-shifting sands of islamic scholarship…”
I hate to point out the obvious, but that’s exactly the point of this blog: to point out the obvious (to some) about the fascist, vicious core of Islam. And, whatever else we do, as long as Muslim immigration is allowed, indeed encouraged:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/u-n-sending-thousands-of-muslims-to-america/
the fight is lost. It doesn’t matter who wins the argument or how brilliant the anti-Muslim rhetoric is. The vast bulk of Muslims are not interested in logical arguments, because they have been imprinted to shut down their cognitive features at the merest mention of apostasy. Further, the in-breeding so common among Muslims has the effect of robbing them of their physiological capacity to even understand critical arguments.
Islamic culture is totally dysfunctional left to itself. The military in Muslim countries is barely able to fight against hits own population, let alone a real army. However, once Islam infiltrates into a free, representative, especially socialist, society,its dysfunctional features suddenly become extremely effective in gaining power and influence. As an example, the mentally and physically damaged individuals resulting from in-breeding, would normally die off in an Islamic society lacking any real charity or resources, but in a western, socialist welfare state, they drain off the resources of the state, form a voting block that is totally impervious to any considerations of a functional government.
sidney penny says
:”when he was caught trying to escape wearing a burqa”
What,pretending he was a woman.
What a coward!
particolor says
Do those Tool Squeezers Honestly have a reason for Living ?? Worshiping a Pile of Manure and Pointing their Date in the Air 5 times daily ? I hope it not Bloody Contagious ??
jojo says
Test