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Poll: 80% of “Palestinians” support jihad terror attacks on Israeli civilians

Dec 9, 2014 5:48 pm By Robert Spencer

Masked Palestinian distributes sweets as he celebrates with others an attack on a Jerusalem synagogue, in Rafah in the southern Gaza StripThey’re approving of hit-and-run attacks on Israeli civilians, and of stabbing whole families to death in the homes in the middle of the night. They’re glorifying and celebrating savagery. Just don’t call it that, you racist, bigoted Islamophobe. “Poll shows strong Palestinian support for attacks,” The Associated Press, December 9, 2014:

JERUSALEM (AP) — An overwhelming majority of Palestinians support a recent spate of attacks on Israelis amid heightened tensions over the most sensitive holy site in Jerusalem, according to an opinion poll released Tuesday.

The poll also found that more than half of Palestinians support a new uprising against Israel, and that the Hamas militant group would win presidential elections if they were held today.

Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki said the results reflected Palestinian anger over Israeli statements about the Jerusalem holy site, which is revered by Jews and Muslims, as well as a loss of hope following the collapse of U.S.-brokered peace talks and Israel’s recent war with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research interviewed 1,270 people in the West Bank and Gaza last week. The poll had an error margin of 3 percentage points.

“There is an environment in which violence is becoming a dominant issue,” said Shikaki. “This seems to be one of the most important driving forces.”

There has been a spate of attacks in Jerusalem over the past month and a half, at a time of rising tensions over the contested holy site, revered by Muslims as Noble Sanctuary and by Jews as the Temple Mount.

Prominent members of Israel’s government have become more vocal in recent months about demands that Jews be allowed to pray at the Muslim-run site, which is home to the Al Aqsa Mosque and iconic Dome of the Rock.

Many Palestinians fear this is a pretext for a gradual Jewish takeover — a claim Israel denies.

The poll found 86 percent of respondents believe the shrine is in grave danger from Israel. It said 80 percent supported individual attacks by Palestinians who have stabbed Israelis or rammed cars into crowded train stations….

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  1. mortimer says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm

    ‘Christy’, I don’t know why you think you can lecture well-informed people and have them believe you. You are delusional. Please seek help. You are going to have a breakdown eventually and leave this repulsive death cult.

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      Mortimer, this is merely a troll trick to get a lot of long off topic replies right at the very beginning of the comments in order to hinder the momentum and force other comments downward.
      It should be deleted.

      • Wellington says

        Dec 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        You are correct, Jay Boo. I have two or three times commented to this “Christy,” but this person has no interest in argument but only tying things up here at JW, as you correctly indicated. This sad excuse for a human being is just a spammer and has spammed with the exact same opening sentence, “Islam saved Jewry,” in full Goebbelsesque fashion, several times. At the very least, such spam statements by Christy should be deleted, at most, Christy should be banned. I believe in free speech to a great degree but after a certain point it becomes ludicrous to indulge those who massively abuse it. As Christy does.

        • Greyhound Fancier says

          Dec 9, 2014 at 9:40 pm

          This Christy nonsense has taken the thread off track; 80% of any group agreeing in a poll is a pretty clear consensus. The Arabs and British created this gang, the Palestinians – now what can be done to manage them?

        • Champ says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 3:04 am

          I believe in free speech to a great degree but after a certain point it becomes ludicrous to indulge those who massively abuse it.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Precisely, Wellington.

      • Champ says

        Dec 9, 2014 at 7:52 pm

        I agree; and instead of responding to “christy”, everyone ought to simply write JW and request that “christy” be banned from this site. Robert doesn’t always read the comments section, so this is the best way to notify him that there’s a problem.

        • Mirren10 says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 5:35 pm

          ”I agree; and instead of responding to “christy”, everyone ought to simply write JW and request that “christy” be banned from this site.”

          Hear, hear, Champ.

          This ‘Christy’ refuses to engage with anyone who questions what she/he copies and pastes, and refuses to engage with anyone who presents a counter argument. I myself responded to this twit, asking her/him to google what Maimonides said in his ”Epistle to Yemen” about what it was like to live under the mohammedan boot – no response.

          There *have* been a couple of times when ‘Christy’ breaks out of the copy and paste strait jacket, but only to insult *you* personally, and to post a load of drivel about what religious Jews think about Jesus Christ. As others have noted, this is totally irrelevant, since Jews, religious or otherwise, are not murdering, torturing and raping across the ME, whilst quoting from the Talmud.

          As for ‘Christy’s nasty personal attacks on you, I think this clearly shows the fool’s agenda. You are a devout Christian, who stands up for her faith. ‘Christy’ really hates this, which clearly shows ‘Christy’ is either a mohammedan, or an idiotic leftard atheist, who hugs atheism as a fanatical religion.

          Hey, Champ, you should be proud ! Not only do you and your beliefs get under Christy’s skin, you also mega piss off that creep ‘rezali’ !

          Way to go, mate ! 🙂

          And I know this is late in the day, but I hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving.

        • Champ says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 6:53 pm

          Dear Mirriam10, thank you so much for your support and kind words, my friend!!

          Great comment!! ..you have exposed christy *nicely*!

        • Champ says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 6:55 pm

          ps …

          Yes, we have a great Thanksgiving, thank you!!!

          All the best to you and yours!!! 🙂

          XO

      • ernie says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 2:48 am

        Dear Mr. Jay Boo , as you can see I’ve just asked “Christy” for some MORE COMMENT about WHY SO MANY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS HAVE LEFT/ARE LEAVING ISLAMIC COUNTRIES . This is a serious request . Or in other words : I want some answers from “Christy”. Troll or no troll . The banning of people from this site SUSPECTED of beïng trolls ; well , I’m not in favor of that Mr.Boo . Trolls/saboteurs do exist , no doubt ! But you might be very wrong about who is or is not .

        • Jay Boo says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 4:28 am

          ernie defending a voluminous troll like Christy
          SHAME ON YOU
          I am not sure why you would wish to single me out of the many people criticizing Christy’s rambling abomination posing as a comment.

          Is it because I said,
          “this is merely a troll trick to get a lot of long off topic replies right at the very beginning of the comments in order to hinder the momentum and force other comments downward.
          It should be deleted.”

          How could you possibly ignore Christy’s shameless indifference on the other thread to four children being beheaded by MUSLIMS following MUSLIM ideology in the example of dishonorable Muhammad.
          If you are that infatuated with this troll then you should trade emails.
          Don’t you care about Christians being murdered?
          —————————————–

          Then again ernie,
          Weren’t you the same ernie who posted off topic a follow-up anti-Catholic tripe after you provided a lead in comment about the pope on:
          Islamic State attacks Kobani from Turkey

          “I mean , that the pope is an ANTI-CHRIST . Roman-cathilicism is worshipping a sun-god . It is WORSHIPPING IDOLS . Roman-catholicism states that the pope is taking CHRISTS place on earth .= Blasphemy”

        • ernie says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 5:14 am

          Dear Mr. Jay Boo . You clearly didn’t understand ME asking “Christy” why so many Jews and Christians have left/are leaving islamic countries . And having asked for an in depth analysis concerning this subject I DON’T FEEL ASHAMED AT ALL . Your way of approaching/confronting situations or opinions about other persons , and my way of doïng so are clearly different . I’ve read some comments of “Christy” before . These comments are clearly promoting islam and I don’t like that at all mr. Boo . And I do care a lot about all people suffering under the fascist islamic ideology . I DO NOT DEFEND “Christy” AT ALL . I want some satisfying answers from this person , that’s all . And yes , I ‘m that Ernie who states that the pope is an anti-Christ . And again : I AM NOT ASHAMED to make this statement Mr. Boo . I don’t like the agressive personal way you’re approaching me , sir .

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 7:04 pm

          ernie, you should be able to tell from Christy’s post here (and elsewhere in other JW comments threads) that he’s not capable of responding to questions in good faith; any reasonable questions put to him will only generate further complex obfuscation, which in turn will provoke further reasonable questions from us — and on and on. The purpose of this is, his motive, is in the fuscation (“darkness”) is produces; i.e., to distract with a jungle of complications that never address the original questions.

    • zebo says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 7:02 pm

      Well,he is partly right as eg. in spain the jews got more rights under muslim rule than before under
      the european(i ‘ve forgotten wether they were surpressed by christianity or by the german tribes that heve settled there)
      but he(or the author+ forgot to mention that jews under muslim rule in spain were forced to wear special jewish clothes and colors (even some kind of small bells) to be recognisable as jews.
      They were not allowed to ride horses(but mules) or to criticize muslims and several other things.
      If you call others “apes and pigs” than the chance to be treated with respect is less than 5%.

      I don’t know much about the arab-jewish history but i can not imagine that jews systematically left
      muslim countries for centuries to live in europe with christians(where they were surpressed) if life among muslims was so great.
      You don’t leave a good place for a bad place,therefore live for jews in muslim territories couldn’t have been that good and they left to improve their standards of living.
      In turkey they didn’t leave,they became donmeh( crypto jews,pretending to be muslims)to avoid surpression.
      You don’t pretend to be a muslim if you are treated good.

      Another problem in the article-if islam helped judaism to survive because jews were so extremly surpressed than there couldn’t have been rich jewish socities and tribes and carawanes which mohammed attacked and robbed and killed all the time.
      Either you are surpressed,than you are pisspoor or you live in a certain kind of harmony with others.

      Sadly this poll is also completely useless.
      It does not matter wether you bomb muslims,christians,jews,bhuddists,hindhus etc.
      the way palestinians were bombed you will always get such high %numbers if the poll is made
      just a few weeks after the bombing.

      • voegelinian says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm

        “he is partly right as eg. in spain the jews got more rights under muslim rule than before under
        the european”

        Provide proof of this sweeping claim.

  2. mortimer says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Such SAVAGES are as bad or worse than Hitler’s Nazis.

    “80 percent supported individual attacks by Palestinians who have stabbed Israelis or rammed cars into crowded train stations”

  3. jay says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Eh, I don’t really agree with this. Some of what you say is true, but you have skipped and cherry picked quite a bit here. Jewry in the MENA is not the only Jewry on earth, there were far friendlier countries the Jews ended up in (in Asia particularly), but ultimately because of that freedom and acceptance they dissipated into the majority. Islam has had a strange relationship with the Jews, but it is not their friend nor ever has been. Christianity isn’t either, especially in Europe, even to this day.

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      Christy’s long, long, long, post on the first comment main purpose is to distract.

      • Mark says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 9:08 pm

        Yes, christy looks very much like one of satans muslims.

  4. TH says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:44 pm

    If Jews were to hunky dory in Cordoba, why did Maimonides have to escape from there for his life? Why was there a pogorm in Granada when a Jew was given a public appointment in 1066 and thousands of Jews killed? .
    This is another one of these fluffy professors who is probably being financed by Saudi Arabia.

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 11:37 am

      Coexistence thinking Christians saved Islam in Ethiopia.
      Muhammad altered his spiel to cover up Islam’s desire to kill.
      The world is still paying the price

  5. jewdog says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    Incredibly, the Left still clings to the idea that terrorism is caused by victimization. That’s because the Left only knows one word: Racism. If discrimination caused terrorism, then why are there no Coptic Christian terrorists in Egypt?
    Maybe it’s just too much trouble to actually learn something about Islam.

  6. Jay Boo says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    The Al Aqsa Mosque is no more of a holy site than the proposed Ground Zero Victory Mosque.

  7. Jay Boo says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Without Israel to hate as a scapegoat for their resentment of living under the burden of Islam and abuse from fellow Muslims they might have to admit that Islam is a cesspool of hate.

    According to David Wood on a recent ABN show, that of the 20 worst places to live for a woman 19 of them are in Islamic countries.
    19 out of 20 — That is 95% of the 20 worst are Islamic.
    The lone exception Ethiopia has a high Muslim population of 30%.
    No wonder Muslims must always seek someone else to blame.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 9:48 pm

      I doubt that the Muslim world would practice introspection if Israel were obliterated (God forbid). It has not been their pattern for 1400 years – Islamic government does not exist to serve the people, the people are to be slaves to Allah and whoever is the “strongest horse” ; the most ruthless oppressor rules at the top of the heap until that one is murdered, then the next one rises to the top of the heap, etc…

      Destroying Israel would desolate the whole region. It would quickly revert to its 19th-century condition of filth, dust, sickness, ignorance, poverty, and the hopelessness of Islam.

      • voegelinian says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 7:06 pm

        Quite right.

  8. Joseph says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Posts like this make me yearn for the day when ISIS begins to exert its influence overtly in Gaza. They’re already there, as everyone knows. But what a day of pure joy when that particular bloodbath begins. I promise you, I will sit back with my favorite French cabernet and simply enjoy the show. “Palestinians” and HAMAS, you support jihad terror attacks on Israeli civilians? Careful what you wish for, friend. ISIS is already threatening the “Palestinians” of Gaza that they are not Islamic enough and that they will kill anyone who opposes them. Pop that cork, friends, and and sit back and enjoy the show. ISIS will wipe out HAMAS in a half-a-heartbeat. And that spectacle will truly be a joy to watch. The “Palestinians” finally getting back a little of what they give to Israel. Come Jehovah, come! A full-bodied French Cab anyone? I prefer mine with shelled pistachios. And you?

    Just as Tolkien’s “Orcs” fought with and killed each other, thereby helping the Men and Elves of Middle Earth, so Sunni kills Sunni and Sunni kills Shia and Shia kills Sunni. Fantastic. Can’t happen soon enough. Mark my words, ISIS will wipe out HAMAS in Gaza simply because they are not “Islamic” enough. And that IS something to be celebrated. Of course, after that, it is Israel’s turn. But, fortunately, we know how that turns out. Ezekiel 38, Isaiah, Daniel, Revelations anyone?

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm

      I know that every generation wonders, but could this really be the last days?

      • Joseph says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 9:34 am

        In a word: Yes. Check out Walid Shoebat’s site: http://www.shoebat.com. In fact, here’s a link to an article about the Antichrist posted there today: http://shoebat.com/2014/12/10/language-antichrist-revived-book-revelation-fulfilled/

        Godspeed.

  9. Lee says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 8:58 pm

    EIGHTY percent of “Palestinian” Muslims support terrorist murders. “A tiny minority doesn’t represent Islam” say the politicians and journalists – and that’s right, the “peaceful” Muslims don’t represent Islam.

  10. frank says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Right off the mark, you say “… when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion”.

    That’s utter rubbish. Jews are a supernatural phenomenon, like it or not. Your statement is an impossibility. Without Jews there would be no world – plain and simple.

    As for the so-called Palestinians, so-called because they came from Arab lands to Israel, once Israel brought the territory to fruition, there never was such a people and never will be. You want to prolong the myth that this is a people do you? Then see your title, and you’ll see that these are not a people but a bunch of people that want to take what isn’t theirs and call it theirs, the way Arabs behave everywhere else – in the Western world of course.

    • dsinc says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 12:49 am

      Right frank, Christy is talking crap. Mohammads hatred for the Jews stems from the fact that the Jews had an established religion that worked for them and they were not interested in the nonsense about his new religion. Mohammads success as a barbarian warlord was by attacking thriving Jewish settlements for the booty they possessed. Because of Mohammad it’s a wonder that the Jews survived, not the other way around!

      The “Palestinians” were Arabs who flooded into the areas populated by Jews, who provided the labour intensive work that the Arabs could do.

      Read “From Time Immemorial” by Joan Peters.

      • Jay Boo says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 1:19 am

        The Jews are also a reminder of Muhammad’s false prophet-hood.
        Muhammad turned his back on Jerusalem and instead turned to pray toward Mecca after slaying the Jews of Medina. This means that Muhammad was merely faking piety.
        Yet, Muslims today pretend that Muhammad ascended to heaven, but from not Mecca — you guessed it, Jerusalem the same city that Muhammad turned his back on.
        This incidentally was just one of many incidents where Muhammad betrayed his word such as when he partnered with 3 daughters of Allah and then said the devil made him do it.
        Muhammad was a conniving buffoon not a prophet.
        It serves him right that he was poisoned by a Jewish woman.
        He lost his final battle to a mere woman.
        A Jewish woman.
        Oh the shame.

  11. duh_swami says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Who are the other 20%, and why are they still breathing?

  12. pumbar says

    Dec 9, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    8 out of 10 mosques in US preach a pro-shariah form of islam.
    1 in 4 muslims in Britain believe the 7/7 bombings were justified
    31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq
    61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
    55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
    60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas
    1 in 4 young muslims in Britain think suicide attacks against British troops are justified
    26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified
    25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police
    Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

    Tiny minority of extremists anyone?

    • change watch says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 8:38 am

      The UK has totally gone belly up to Islam. Read the excellent A Consequence of Apathy by NR Baldwin , when our police and army in the UK have to hide away from our own citizens then we really have problems.

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Consequence-Apathy-NR-Baldwin

  13. Champ says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 12:06 am

    ❤ ✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡ ❤

    • Ernie says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 7:56 am

      So do I Champ ! Thank you !

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 1:16 pm

        Bravo, Ernie!

    • Ernie says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 10:51 am

      Hello Christy , I have not yet received any answer to my question of why so many Jews and Christians have left/ are leaving islamic countries . Will you answer my question or not ? And yes , I stand with the people and the land of Israel . The way you are asking your question is highly provocative and manipulative . Besides , I love Yeshuah/ Yehoshuah , He is Mashiach . Well Christy , that’s my opinion . I hope my answer is satisfying to you . Ernie

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 11:30 am

      Champ
      Christy uses some provocative language to paraphrase and generalize all Israeli Jews thought process.
      Even if some few bigoted Jews actually used such a phrase as “bastard son of a whore ”
      Many here have often pointed out that Jewish people are not butchering anyone to spread Judaism.
      Are we to believe that Muslims say kinder more tolerant things?

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm

        Yes, good point, Jay Boo …and this “christy” is full of vile hatred; especially for Jews and Christians. She/he is one sick and evil creature.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 2:19 pm

          Hi, Champ. Hope you’re doing well.

          This Christy person deceitfully tries to draw division between Christian and Jew when, in fact, any such enmity that once existed is long gone with the overwhelming number of Jews and Christians. Mortal enemies to both are mucho amounts of Muslims whom Christy, again deceitfully, tries to pass off as extremists who don’t represent the real Islam, when, in fact, the real Islam will only tolerate Christians and Jews if they accept full dhimmi status (and perhaps not even then) and which calls for war to be made upon all unbelievers “until all religion is with Allah” (Sura 8:39). Notice too how Christy, again in full deceit mode, mentions that Islam honors Jesus but traditional Judaism does not. To the extent this is true, however, it is precisely because the Muslims have co-opted Jesus as one of their own, as a mjaor Muslim prophet before the last and greatest of the prophets, Mohammed, appears, and who will come back at the end of the world and throw Christians into Hell for deifying Him. Christy also conveniently neglects the vile passages in the Koran, for instance in Suras 2,5 and 7, about Allah turning Jews into apes and pigs. Then there is also Sura 98:6 that calls Christians and Jews “the vilest of creatures.” Muslim apologists like Christy either don’t mention this verse or, if forced to do so, argue for it being seen in its historical context, blah, blah, blah.

          And so on and so on. Just more Muslim tricks. Taqiyya, kitman and the whole nine yards of Islamic deceit and nonsense. Trouble for Christy, however, is that way too many here at JW know Islam too well to be fooled by such “reasoning” as Christy proffers. And the number of people in the West and around the world who are coming to know what Islam is really about is increasing exponentially as the years roll on. The number of people who view Islam negatively, like you and I, will never decrease but will only increase. Even Christy way down inside must know this and that it can’t bode well for Islam.

          Hope you and yours had a fine Thanksgiving. And may you and your family have a memorable Christmas season. Take care, my friend.

        • Champ says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm

          Hi Wellington!

          Yes, you are so spot on about “christy”! …and the ugly Truth about islam & co seems to get under his/her skin rather easily; along with my love and support of Israel. I can understand “christy’s” discomfort with the unvarnished Truth; since it does hurt when lies are exposed to the Light and to Truth. Irregardless of the pain it cause, the Truth must be told. And some are just so dense to the Truth, so it bears repeating–over, and over–again.

          Thank you! ..our Thanksgiving was memorable, and I hope yours was, too.

          Take care, my dear friend! 🙂

      • Mirren10 says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm

        ”Are you calling the Talmud and the Jewish sages language “provocative” then? Because that is exactly what they have to say about Jesus. He is mentioned in the Babylonian Talmud in such a charming way. Do you think that it is appropriate for them to talk about him being the bastard son of a whore or his “membrum” or boiling in excrement/semen in the afterlife?”

        Sticks and stones. You are a fool.

        When religious Jews, or secular Jews, for that matter, start doing what mohammedans are doing to non-mohammedans throughout the world, get back to us, and I’ll be right on that, condemning them for it. Bad mouthing Jesus Christ isn’t in the same league as murdering, raping, crucifying, beheading. etc. etc, But you won’t, because you can’t, accuse Jews of doing what you and your co-religionists do on a daily basis, throughout the world, *not* just the Middle East.

        You are a vicious idiot, who doesn’t have even the most miniscule ability to argue a position. You’re a waste of space, time, oxygen, and a colossal bore. Piss off.

  14. ernie says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 1:26 am

    Dear Christy , what’s the purpose of your statement/comment ?

  15. ernie says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 1:58 am

    Dear Christy , almost all Jews have left islamic countries BY NOW( and Christians are following ) . Why ? Maybe you could give me/us some lecture about all the reasons behind this phenomena ? I would really appreciate some serious in depth analysis from you regarding all this .

  16. bill says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 4:24 am

    I AM 100 PER CENT BEHIND ISRAEL………………

  17. change watch says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Sadly the UK tax payer funds these murderers with over 80 million pounds per year in aid money. Basically we are paying for Jihadist to attack the only democracy in the Middle east.

  18. clifford hall says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 8:47 am

    “This sad excuse for a human being”

    You know – some of you people are the pits yourselves. Look IF in a blog you can’t have an expression of different views, what’s the point? If all you want to do is indulge in onanistic practices create a blog for yourselves. Is it YOU we are supposed to accept? No thanks. You do a great disservice to us all.

    There is a rule of justice which enjoins hearing the other side. Not hearing any side but your own is at the root of the belief systems we all oppose to the point when your beliefs become superstition.

    No-one should have to grovel and apologise for posting here. “Run this person off the blog…report him/her to Robert’. Infantile.

    Rumi and Hafiz are wonderful poets – chew on that.

    What amazes me is that 20% recorded as they did. Is that where we start – the 20% everywhere?

    • Ernie says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 9:12 am

      Mr. Clifford Hall , thank you very much for your comment . I feel somewhat strengthened by your voice . Again: Thank you very much . This is what real freedom is about ! Sincerely yours : Ernie

      • Jay Boo says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 11:32 am

        Ernie
        see reply below

        • Ernie says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 2:34 pm

          Mr. Boo . I’ve read all your arguments . Are your arguments arbitrary or absolute truth ? Are you allways right ( well , I’m not , and I know that ) ? When I stated that the pope is an anti-Christ I was on topic ( the article was about the pope visiting Turkey and about him praying together with a mufti ) . In later articles , if the pope came up , I reacted , certainly . You said I wasn’t at topic . That is not truthful Mr. Boo . Your assumption of me beïng insensitive to the suffering of Christians is not truthful . It’s YOUR assumption Mr. Boo . And it’s an insult to me . Suggesting that I’m affatuated with “Christy” is another assumption of YOU Mr. Boo , and is not truthful and another insult to me . Berating me the way you do is another insult sir. Maybe you want to apologize Mr. Boo ? It certainly would be nice sir . : Ernie

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 11:21 am

      clifford hall ,
      1 You criticize name calling implying that we so rise above such behavior (a reasonable suggestion) but then you ruin your credibility on that point by name calling yourself.

      2 You state
      ” Look IF in a blog you can’t have an expression of different views, what’s the point?”
      —- While that may be true and some of Christy’s comments actually do manage to stay on point and are debatable many others are a crass attempt to distract and distort from the main topic with no other intent but to cover up Islam’s stink in order to prevent an honest discussion of said stink.
      Case in point (her first comment) which was merely a troll trick to get a lot of long off topic replies right at the very beginning of the comments in order to hinder the momentum and force other comments downward.

      3 Yes, if everyone agreed 100% that would not be conducive to new ideas but to allow a commenter to abuse the privilege without question is the same kind of behavior that allows ISIS to butcher Christian children in Allah’s name while Muslims say not our problem and politicians say nothing to do with Islam and trolls try to change the topic all together instead of replying honestly.

      4 Christy may start off with a reasonable first paragraph in her many long multi-paragraph but then she soon releases a payload of rambling off topic junk with the only purpose is to distract.

      • Jay Boo says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 12:33 pm

        Correction
        1 You criticize name calling implying that we (should) all rise above such behavior (a reasonable suggestion) but then you ruin your credibility on that point by name calling yourself.

      • Wellington says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 3:13 pm

        I agree with you, Jay Boo. Tolerating someone like Christy without limit makes a mockery of tolerance. There’s a difference between commenting and spamming after all. If Christy wants to argue specific points, fine, but writing the screed that begins with “Islam saved Jewry” again and again on one thread after another need not be tolerated in order to honor tolerance.

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 11, 2014 at 8:54 am

      Clifford hall says in response to Wellington:

      “This sad excuse for a human being”

      ”You know – some of you people are the pits yourselves. Look IF in a blog you can’t have an expression of different views, what’s the point? If all you want to do is indulge in onanistic practices create a blog for yourselves. Is it YOU we are supposed to accept? No thanks. You do a great disservice to us all.”

      This is sheer nonsense. ‘Christy’ is not ”expressing different views”. He/she is merely copying and pasting long screeds of nonsense from the same website, on every single thread he/she posts on. Then he/she refuses to engage in argument with anyone who contests the nonsense. Although I note he/she has finally replied to ‘ernie’, but in doing so, merely makes assertions, and offers no proofs.

      That is not ”expressing different views”, it is merely cowardly spamming. Read Wellington’s 3.13 pm post; he expresses *exactly* what this troll is doing, and why we should *not* tolerate it.

      Your objections to how Wellington described ‘Christy’ are really rich, considering your all encompassing rude, and arrogant, dismissal of *us*.

      ”There is a rule of justice which enjoins hearing the other side.”

      I quite agree. However, hearing the ‘other side’ involves the other side presenting an argument, and then being prepared to defend that argument. Christy has not done this.

      ” Not hearing any side but your own is at the root of the belief systems we all oppose to the point when your beliefs become superstition.”

      That sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

      ”No-one should have to grovel and apologise for posting here. “Run this person off the blog…report him/her to Robert’. Infantile.”

      People who post here, are, for the most part, intelligent and well informed, engage in discussion, debate, and are willing and able to defend their positions when challenged and or questioned. ‘Christy’ does not fall into that descriptor, since she/he merely copies and pastes the views of someone else, and refuses to defend a position, except with *infantile* slurs towards others, and assertions unaccompanied with any evidence.

      Anyone who posts here and is incapable of doing the above, and posts solely with the intention of derailing the thread, is a waste of time and space. Damn right, they *should* ”grovel and apologise” ! 🙂

      ”Rumi and Hafiz are wonderful poets – chew on that.”

      A purely subjective opinion, and totally irrelevant in your attempted defence of the ubiquitous and tiresome ‘Christy’. Why on earth did you bring it up ?

      ”What amazes me is that 20% recorded as they did. Is that where we start – the 20% everywhere?”

      Not sure what you mean by this, do enlarge.

  19. cliffordf hall says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Bill, Ernie, Champ

    “We are 100% behind Israel”

    I imagine most of us are.

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 1:18 pm

      Bravo, Cliff!

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 2:27 pm

      The unvarnished TRUTH–about islam and company–is *hate speech* in “christy’s” twisted world.

      The TRUTH hurts. So be it.

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 5:00 pm

      ‘Christy’ says:

      ”Why do you support Israel? What has Israel ever done for you?”

      This moronic copy and paste troll neatly encapsulates the mohammedan/leftard mindset.

      The idea that anyone would support a country, simply because that country stands for freedom, justice, and equality, and is surrounded by mohammedan cess pits that want to destroy her, without expecting a quid pro quo, is totally alien to such dolts as ‘Christy’.

      • Wellington says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        Your 5:00 and 5:47 P.M. posts, Mirren, demonstrate, once again, your capacity to eviscerate bogus arguments, like those that Christy put forward on this thread. My compliments. Hope you are doing well over there across the pond.

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 8:00 pm

        Brava, Mirren10!!! …I agree with Wellington.

      • Mirren10 says

        Dec 11, 2014 at 8:15 am

        Wellington and Champ, thank you for your kind words. Much appreciated !

  20. clifford hall says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 8:54 am

    Bill Ernie, Champ

    “I stand with Israel”

    I imagine most of us do.

  21. Champ says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    ❤ ✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡ ❤

    ❤ ✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡ ❤

    ❤ ✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡ ❤

    …this bears repeating–over, and over–again!!!!!

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25 pm

      Focus on your *own* vile hatred …got a mirror?

      Hatred is a cancer, and so is islam …

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      ❤ ✡ I STAND WITH ISRAEL!!! ✡ ❤

      Always!!!!!!!

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      It was *OUR* sins that nailed Jesus to the Cross!

      Question: “Who was responsible for Christ’s death? Who killed Jesus?”

      Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/responsible-Christ-death.html

      Excerpt …

      So we who have come to Christ in faith are guilty of His blood, shed on the cross for us. He died to pay the penalty for our sins (Romans 5:8; 6:23). In the movie “The Passion of the Christ,” the director, Mel Gibson, was the one whose hands you see actually driving the nails through Christ’s hands. He did it that way to remind himself, and everyone else, that it was our sins that nailed Jesus to the cross.

    • Champ says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm

      “christy” …

      Christians SHOULD stand with Israel!!! Period.

      One could fill a book with what you clearly *don’t* understand about the gospel and why Jesus died for everyone–including the Jews. Remember, Jesus was a Jew.

      Jesus STILL loves the Jewish people, and so do I, and so should you!

      Hatred is NOT the answer.

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 2:09 pm

        “christy” is hating the wrong thing …

        Hate what is EVIL …and islam is wholly evil:

        “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

        We should cling to the good shepherd: Jesus Christ!!! ✞

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm

        I don’t “hate muslims”, I hate islam …BIG DIF!

      • Champ says

        Dec 10, 2014 at 2:22 pm

        As a Christian I am to “hate evil”, and I definitely hate evil islam …

        “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

        Too bad if “christy” doesn’t *get* that.

        Again, “christy” hates the wrong things, and she/he is a lost cause serving an evil cause: islam.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Dec 10, 2014 at 2:17 pm

      We stand with anybody who gets under the barbaric skin of the grossly antisemitic Christy.

  22. SpiritOf1683 says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 2:22 pm

    When 80% of the people would like to kill you or support those whose desire is to kill you, you have to get out or get tooled up. The Paleonazis are enemies of Israel, and the Israelis should withdraw all aid to these savages, and cut off the electricity, gas and water supplies to them. It is immoral to expect the Israelis to supply their sworn enemies. We didn’t drop food parcels on Germany and Japan in 1943, for heavens sakes.

  23. Savvy Kafir says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    My fellow progressives who are so anti-Israel just don’t get it. The Israelis are surrounded by genocidal savages who hate them for explicitly religious reasons.

    The more I learn about Palestinians, the more committed I become to supporting Israel — a bastion of democracy and (relative) modernity in a land of Seventh Century barbarism.

  24. Mirren10 says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    ”Prominent members of Israel’s government have become more vocal in recent months about demands that Jews be allowed to pray at the Muslim-run site.”

    It’s about bloody time !

    Go, Israel !!

  25. Marken says

    Dec 10, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    When Israel gave up Gaza to the Arabs, it was assured by those pressuring Israel, Gaza would be the New Singapore. With the billions then pouring in ‘Palestinians’ had a shot at it, but instead chose to use the billions to wage war against Israeli citizens and hoped to destroy their state. I believe most Israelis would have loved to have seen Gaza prosper and become a peaceful neighbor and In another place outside the sphere of Islam, what turned out to be, could have been different.

    • Mirren10 says

      Dec 11, 2014 at 9:08 am

      ”When Israel gave up Gaza to the Arabs, it was assured by those pressuring Israel, Gaza would be the New Singapore. With the billions then pouring in ‘Palestinians’ had a shot at it, but instead chose to use the billions to wage war against Israeli citizens and hoped to destroy their state.”

      Exactly.

      And I share your opinion that the Israelis would have appreciated a prosperous and peaceful Gaza.

      But that’s islam for you.

  26. Edward says

    Dec 13, 2014 at 7:26 am

    YOU ARE THE GOD OF ISRAEL!

    A Prayer in Praise of God’s Greatness and Fullness.

    Almighty, true and incomparable God,
    You are present in all things,
    yet in no way limited by them.
    You remain unaffected by place,
    untouched by time,
    unperturbed by years,
    and undeceived by words.
    You are not subject to birth
    and in no need of protection.
    You are beyond all corruption,
    above all change,
    immutable by nature.
    You live in unapproachable light
    and are invisible,
    yet You are known to all those
    who seek You with hope and love.
    You are the God of Israel,
    and of all who hope in Christ.

    Amen.

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