In FrontPage I discuss the latest absurdity from Joe Biden:
The courageous ex-Muslim human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali recently recounted that at a speech in Washington not long ago, she met Vice President Joe Biden. Biden seized the opportunity to tell her that “ISIS had nothing to do with Islam.” Hirsi Ali politely disagreed, whereupon Biden began a lesson in the teachings of the Religion of Peace: “Let me tell you one or two things about Islam.”
Unfortunately, Hirsi Ali didn’t hear much of Imam Joe’s Islamic wisdom: “I politely left the conversation at that. I wasn’t used to arguing with vice presidents.”
This wasn’t just Joe being Joe, saying another foolish thing that, if he were a conservative Republican, would have ended his political career in an avalanche of ridicule long ago. For in confronting Hirsi Ali and assuming he knew more about Islam than she does, Biden was reflecting what virtually every policymaker in Washington believes – on both sides of the aisle.
Even though Ayaan Hirsi Ali was raised a Muslim in a Muslim country, and educated in Islam from an extremely early age, and despite the fact that Joe Biden has almost certainly never opened a Qur’an, Biden was sure that what she said about Islam must be wrong – it just had to be. Why? Because her opinion of the religion was negative, and the possibility that such a view could have any merit whatsoever is inconceivable in Washington circles. Those who hold it must be ignorant.
It’s almost certain that Biden would never have confronted Karen Armstrong in a similar way. If Biden is familiar with what Armstrong says about Islam, such as her world-historically ridiculous claim that “Muhammad eventually abjured violence and pursued a daring, inspired policy of non-violence that was worthy of Gandhi,” he would no doubt warmly approve and even applaud. This would not be because Armstrong has done more formal study of Islam than has Hirsi Ali – she hasn’t. Nor would it be because Imam Joe himself made a careful and judicious examination of Islamic texts and teachings, and came to the reasoned conclusion that Armstrong’s representation of Islam was more accurate and true to the ding an sich than Hirsi Ali’s.
On the contrary, Biden would favor Armstrong’s Islam over Hirsi Ali’s solely and wholly because the former confirms his view of the world and appears to bear out what he wishes were true, and the latter does not. This is likewise the stance of all of Biden’s colleagues in the Obama Administration. John Kerry, like Biden, confidently takes a stand on what he believes Islam is all about, based not on any study of his own or anyone else, but on what he wishes is true and hopes is true.
Indeed, on these fantasies are based numerous foreign and domestic policies. The idea that new Israeli concessions will end the Palestinian jihad against Israel and make possible a two-state solution with Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in peace is based on a determined refusal to consider the possibility that the Palestinians really mean the jihadist rhetoric that they pump out endlessly on official Palestinian Authority and Hamas airwaves about destroying Israel utterly.
The idea that stable, secular, Western-oriented republics could ever have been constructed in Afghanistan or Iraq was based on a refusal to confront what Sharia really is and to study the degree to which the populations in both countries were attached to it. Ultimately, the United States oversaw the adoption of Constitutions in both countries that enshrined Sharia as the highest law of the land – something that would never have been done had not Washington policymakers been listening to smooth apologists who assured them that Sharia was benign and completely compatible with republican government and Western principles of human rights.
Those policymakers are still entrenched, despite their abysmal track record. There is no accountability for them, for those who would hold them accountable believe in the same fantasies that led to the policy errors. Joe Biden’s interaction with Ayaan Hirsi Ali played out with dreary predictability: it was inevitable that Biden would think his fantasies and wishful thinking to be defensible, established fact, and unthinkable that he would regard the judgment of a Somali ex-Muslim woman with unconscious ethnocentric and chauvinistic paternalism: she is just wounded by her anomalous experiences, he might have thought to himself, while Joe Biden – Joe Biden! – man of the world, savvy political thinker, diplomat, statesman, and humorist, would gently and affably set her straight, and introduce her to the pluralistic open-mindedness that are the hallmarks of what make us great in the West.
That open-mindedness, that openness to non-Western cultures and people, the linchpin of the multiculturalist imperative, is what Biden and Kerry treasure so much and are trying to protect when they assure the world that Islam is a religion of peace and that those who commit violence in its name are violating its core principles. But even as they preen about their open-mindedness, Biden and Kerry and the rest are actually quite close-minded. When he heard Ayaan Hirsi Ali speak, Biden had an opportunity to hear truths that existed outside of his habits of thought. A truly open-minded person would have adjusted his thinking to fit reality.
Instead, Biden placed himself in the preposterous position of attempting to lecture an ex-Muslim, someone who had once revered the Qur’an and studied it deeply, about the true tenets of Islam. In this latest exercise in making himself ridiculous, Biden is a symbol of the entire Western world, staking its life and future on fantasy and wishful thinking. In response to his foolish nonsense, Ayaan Hirsi Ali was polite. If they ever encounter Biden face to face, those pious believers in Islam who know that what she says about their religion is accurate, and hate her for revealing it, will be substantially less so.
Marty says
This would be almost comical if not for the fact that biden is a heartbeat from the presidency and genuinely believes he’s fit to be president when he’s really no more than a political hack.
Retlaw says
He is Obama’s Life insurance – no one wants an idiot like that as POTUS
gerard says
Life insurance…
Aha! You’ve nailed it! I could never understand why the Fool of Fools was VP. Now I’ve got it! Thanks.
Shane says
Obama and most left wingers believe the same nonsense as Biden spewed at the victim of Muslim sharia law. You just cannot reach liberals with facts and logic; they only respond to emotion, much like devout Muslims defending the pedophile and rapist Muhammad.
Angemon says
Which, in a sane world, would make him the butt of a series of jokes, parodies and spoofs and cause people not to trust his opinion about anything.
Champ says
Like islam, team obama is dangerous and deceitful …and yes a joke, too.
Don McKellar says
And this blue ribbon prize winning fool is Vice President of the United States.
Joe Bidden is so completely removed from reality after all those decades in politics that he can’t even begin to look outside of himself and grasp the absurdity of the Ayaan Hirsi Ali incident, let alone how insane the constant defence of, and deflection for, Islamic jihad he spews all the time to be “politcially correct” is.
This story should be front and centre of every media outlet right now in a sane world. And every free, intelligent person in the modern world should be recognizing the idiot that Biden has made of himself while serving his masters.
Alex says
Don’t fool yourself. Biden (and Obama, and Kerry, and Cameron, and company) are knowingly lying, to avoid any anti-islam backlash and to preserve social peace even if they sound delusional about islam; it’s just fake. Can they (should they) realistically do otherwise? They may be contemptible, but they are not as stupid as you think.
Don McKellar says
I certainly believe this to be true of Obama and Cameron. They are reptilian politicians planning for the time very soon when they leave office and sock away untold millions from their Saudi / Qatar et al masters (if they aren’t already). They must appear benevolent for their masters, and likely they also delude themselves with your argument so that they can look themselves in the mirror. But Biden, with this incident, seems to demonstrate he is truly clueless. I seriously doubt you would ever see Obama or Cameron saying something like this to Ali. They know better, Joe does not seem to.
mortimer says
EXCELLENT!
This is the absurd point of it: “Biden placed himself in the preposterous position of attempting to lecture an ex-Muslim”. Exactly! Biden uses ‘authoritarian thought’ which says, ‘Believe ‘x’ because I have an important position in society’.
The only reason for believing anything is because there is valid evidence for ‘x’. Biden is a fool in the ideas of millions of jihadists.
mortimer says
Biden is a fool in the eyes of millions of jihadists.
Don McKellar says
Biden is the ideal fool in the eyes of millions of jihadists.
Vostro says
Biden truly defines the meaning of “Buffoon!”
Frank says
Is it possible to live with an IQ less than 40? Apparently, and in the US it can even make you president and VP. Come on guys! Me myself totally fit that picture. Get ready for a European president-to-be.
PS; You see, islam can also make us laugh. Waiting for a fathwa (whaa-whaa!!!)
Kirimasa says
Joe Biden work with B. HUSSEIN Obama and Rick Warren.
Their agenda is Crislam.
http://wp.me/p3tGFm-9u
They want to unite all the children of Abraham.
Champ says
Hi Kirimasa,
Here’s a great website that exposes the evil Chrislam movement:
http://www.exposingchrislam.com/
A must read!
gerard says
This is of course the classical fallacy of “argumentum ab auctoritate”.
Thus (from Wikipedia):
A is an authority on a particular topic
A says something about that topic
A is probably correct
Biden doesn’t even qualify for this fallacy since he is no expert on Islam. He is less that this fallacy. He is BS: Biden Speaks.
Elliot Temple says
I like your stuff. Wanted to let you know you’ve got a typo kinda issue with the double negative around “determined refusal to consider the possibility that the Palestinians don’t really mean the jihadist rhetoric”
I’m thinking delete “don’t”.
Kakodaemon says
“Ultimately, the United States oversaw the adoption of Constitutions in both countries that enshrined Sharia as the highest law of the land” Can you imagine the victorious allies enshrining Nazism and emperor worship in the German and Japanese constitutions after WW2? Had they done that, we would still be fighting that war! Obviously the current elites are clueless about what motivates the peoples of muslim nations.
Sam says
Well we deserve what we get from Islam when we democratically put these brainwashed liberals as our governers.
Frans Groenendijk says
Difficult to decide what is behind this kind of behavior.
A total lack of empathy, a total lack of affinity with the real world or just a total lack of integrity?
I am afraid the answer is simple: all three of them.
William says
“Biden was sure that what she said about Islam must be wrong – it just had to be. Why? Because her opinion of the religion was negative, and the possibility that such a view could have any merit whatsoever is inconceivable in Washington circles. Those who hold it must be ignorant.”
I guess we could say thank goodness that Biden only held that Ms. Ali was ignorant. However, if she were a non-Muslim, especially a white one, and knowledgeable about the subject, Biden would not be so condescending. Instead, he would have launched into a vicious ad hominem on the character of such person. Biden would regard him or her as a racist and a bigot. For such a person, he would not grant the attribute of innocence – a higher standard is expected – as he was so eager to do to Ms. Ali. By imprudently demonstrating his low expectation of Ms. Ali, is Biden again revealing his bigotry?
Wellington says
Another great article by Robert Spencer, whom I have come to admire for many reasons, not least of them being his capacity to very effectively argue his point of view. He would have made a great lawyer, though no service in the law would have superseded the service he has already done for the cause of liberty.
Champ says
Now “christy” leaves us with zero doubt of how backwards and wrongheaded his thinking truly is (as I suspect that “christy” is in fact male).
So in “christy’s” twisted view the Truth about islam & company is *hate speech* …well the Truth hurts.
Jay Boo says
Champ, I believe you may be correct that Christy is in fact male.
Christy is just a bizzaro-world cover name. This cover name is somewhat like when Muhammad went by the moniker ‘Prophet of God’
Christy’s moniker would at first glance give the false impression of Christy being a Christian but is either non-religious or most likely a deeply guilt ridden fallen Muslim.
Therefore if the moniker implies female Christian, we can assume just the opposite to be true.
I believe that Christy goes to the mosque but secretly prays to some other ‘deity’ than Allah.
Myxlplik says
How much you want to bet “Christy” is Reza Aslan or Nathan Lean or perhaps one of the other cowards who out of fear decline actual debate with Robert, and chose instead to spam his blog.
Angemon says
Christy posted:
“Oh what a surprise! A hateful bigot admiring another hateful bigot!”
RS and Wellington are hateful bigots now? Because you say so? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight…
“I’m sure that Hitler admired Julius Streicher and Joseph Goebbles too.I”
Hitler admired islam.
Wellington says
If Islam, Christy, is indeed the peaceful, noble, tolerant and great religion that its defenders assert that it is, then absolutely Robert Spencer and I are hateful bigots. We deserve obloquy of the highest order.
But, Christy, if Islam is indeed the only major religion which is totalitarian in structure and ideology, as Bertrand Russell maintained that it was in his The Theory and Practice of Bolshevism, published almost a century ago, then criticism of Islam is highly warranted by those who prize liberty. You might want to also consider others who have criticized Islam, for instance Winston Churchill, who said of Islam that “no stronger retrograde force exists in the world” or, as another example, Ernest Renan, who wrote of Islam that “no heavier chains have ever shackled humanity.” Or Thomas Jefferson. Or John Quincy Adams. Or Arthur Schopenhauer. Or Alexis de Tocqueville. Or Oriana Fallaci. Or….. Or….. Or….. Yeah, are all these bigots, Christy, or did they know something you clearly don’t? You make the call and tell me why.
You see, Christy, it is my conviction that Islam is, in effect, spiritual fascism. And if I am correct here, then significant criticism of Islam is warranted since fascism is awful and destructive of liberty and equality under the law. I would most vigorously assert that Islam is fascistic and no other major faith is. But, please, try and refute me. Perhaps you could start with explaining why, just since 9/11, there have been over 24,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide while no other believers of any other religion even remotely (actually for all intents and purposes not at all) approach this number. Then you could perhaps move on to the founder of Islam saying, pursuant to 4.52.220 in the Bukhari Hadith, that “I have been made victorious with terror.” From there you might want to address the matter that in Suras 2,5 and 7 of the Koran Jews are referred to as the descendants of apes and pigs. Then there is that lovely verse in the Koran, Sura 98.6, which states that Jews and Christians are “the vilest of creatures.”
Yes, I know you can cherry pick the Koran to find verses which are just full of good will, love and huggy-bear, kissy-face stuff. But then you can also do this with Mein Kampf, where on one page of said tome a perfectly reasonable statement was made by Herr Hitler but then a page or two later he made a statement with reeks of hatred and vile sentiments. Rather like the Koran, I would argue. Which reminds me that Winston Churchill said of Mein Kampf, that “it is the new Koran.”
Your turn, Christy, should you care to respond. I hope you do——-and please in your own words if you do and not with any cut and paste garbage as you are wont to do. Give it a shot. Waiting.
Champ says
Bravo, Wellington!! …well stated.
Wellington says
Thank you, Champ. I think it important, highly important, to call out those who label Robert Spencer and others, who point out Islam’s many troubling doctrines and Islam’s track record, a bigot. Can’t let this garbage slide.
This doesn’t mean that those defending the spiritual fascism which is Islam and who excoriate Robert Spencer, and other proud Islamo-skeptics like you and me, should always be replied to, but neither should it lead to any cherisher of liberty concluding that they should never be replied to. As with most things in life, it’s a judgement call, and reasonable minds can differ on when to and when not to here, but, in general, the Aristotelian middle of the road approach is almost always the best strategy to pursue and thus sometimes one should respond to totalitarian defenders and at other times not. Hey, keep the rogues guessing, no? Take good care, my friend.
Champ says
You’re welcome, Wellington! …and I always appreciate your kind words, my friend.
mortimer says
‘Theocratic’ fascism.
quotha raven says
“You see, Christy, it is my conviction that Islam is, in effect, spiritual fascism.”
Wellington – It is that, of course, but it is more important, I think, for Christy to come to grips with the difference between a religion and a theosophy, which embraces and controls literally and virtually every aspect of Muslim life. Those who regard Islam as just another religion, like Presbyterians, Buddhists, Baptists, Sikhs, etc are ill-equipped to discuss it. A mosque, unlike a church or temple, is the seat of decisions for its members about not only spiritual belief, but also legal, familial, sexual, political and military activities. They serve, as documented recently in today’s JW article about Spain’s biggest mosque serving quite handily to recruit violen jihadists to assist in achieving their goal of defeating all Western religions and societies. To Christy: good luck in that burkha; bet you’ll look swell, even if you are really a man hiding behind a woman’s name!
Arthur says
Wellington makes an informed and elegant argument, as always.
I would only add that the logical (scientific) approach is to first state your criteria for making a conclusion upfront. Such as, “I define a bigot as someone who …” Next, draw up your evidence using references to the original sources (appropriately cited). Finally, address all possible other interpretations.
For example, Christy, if you define a bigot as “someone who publically explains Islam as defined by the Qur’an,” then it is not the mainstream definition of the word ‘bigot’, and we can immediately see the point of disagreement.
voegelinian says
“For example, Christy, if you define a bigot as “someone who publically explains Islam as defined by the Qur’an,” then it is not the mainstream definition of the word ‘bigot’, and we can immediately see the point of disagreement.”
You’re right; it’s not the mainstream definition of the word ‘bigot’ — yet. At least not until
our next President of the United States of America, Hillary, gets her way — a way apparently in perfect synch with the wishes of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation which has been pushing the West to adopt laws to punish criticism of Islam.
One of the OIC’s top agenda items is the Istanbul Process, its vehicle for pursuing insinuation of Islamic Law on slander into the U.S. and other Western legal codes. The Obama administration, including the Department of State, has eagerly promoted the Istanbul Process, as when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her speech to OIC on 15 September 2011. A year later, in his annual address to the United Nations on 25 September 2012 in New York City, President Obama left no doubts about his own position on the Islamic law on slander, when he told the UN General Assembly that “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2014/09/25/oic-secretary-general-warns-chicago-audience-not-to-criticize-islam/
Bezelel says
Look up Numb Nuts in the dictionary and it says See Joe Biden. Hirsi, If you read this, Please keep up the good work.
PRCS says
I just listened to Cngressman Mike Rogers (chairman of the House Intelligence Committee) talking about “radial” Islam, followed by good ‘ole Ollie North addressing “radical Islamist jihadists” on Fox News.
I fear for the safety of our country.
Jack says
How can one comment about flat out, unadulterated ignorance and the desire to remain ignorant? The scariest part of all this you begin as an ignorant person and eventually that ignorance intensifies to the point you know longer know the right questions to ask. There is a whole cadre of yes men and women ignorant or conflicted with all kinds of wild theories while ignoring the basics over at State and in the White House
free speech now! says
Joe Biden knows that muslims don’t have anything to do with Islam. Just like mosques or the quran don’t have anything to do with Islam. Just to tell you a thing or two. It is just a mere coincidence that 100% of these terrorists happen to be muslim.
Tamara says
Some leftists believe in cultural relativism like it were religious doctrine and will defend it with fitting fervour. They take it on faith that all religions and cultures are equal, don’t consider evidence to the contrary and anyone who tries to present such evidence and refute the dogma is considered either evil or stupid. A white guy saying there’s something inherently wrong with Island would be the former, an evil bigot. A Muslim woman saying it mustbe ignorant, a poor victim of her
rough experience and of Western imperialism and Israel. She must be protected and set straight by the benevolent white “progressive”.
Abe says
I’ve met such people… They are just as you have described. They dismiss our narrative as former Muslims and go on to school us on our old faith. It’s unfathomable…
mortimer says
Stephen Colbert invented a concept called ‘TRUTHINESS’ for such people, Abe.
They don’t look the facts up in a BOOK! They look for the truth IN THEIR GUT!
The ‘truthy’ feeling they get FROM THEIR GUT is what they think is ‘the truth’.
They get ‘truthiness’ without the intellectual effort of valid reasoning or facts.
They are really pseudo-intellectuals. Biden is a pseudo-intellectual.
steakman says
Well said Tamara. 100% correct. One listen to Ben affleck personifies this mindset.
I would say the same could be said for the Climate Change gang…
The “Science is settled” …uhuh.
We have a climate mouth piece in Canada: Dr David Suzuki. His claim to fame is that he is the darling of the most progressive news outlet in Canada – the CBC. He is in fact a tse tse fly geneticist….hardly an area of Climate concern…but I digress. He is in fact a progressive and has been quoted as saying that anyone who disagreed with (at the time), Global Warming should be sent to a “re-education” camp.
Seems to me that his fascist tendancies showed quite clearly wouldn’t you think..??
Lia Wissing says
As a woman, I wonder about secret Muslim trends: Biden speaks like this to a woman who is miles ahead ahead of him in brains & knowledge, because she is a woman and he is a male. See the Islamic connection?
Brother Mark:) says
Mr. Robert Spencer,
I just thought that I owed you a polite thank you, for a piece of commentary that was well written.
Good job.
Brother Mark:)
http://www.talktruthful.com
Truth says
Biden is an extremely arrogant person. He speaks a lot from his anus.
Jack Gordon says
In a way it’s comforting to know Joe Biden, the president’s palace fool, knows as much about Mohammedanism as he does about Catholicism, viz. almost nothing at all. He has repeatedly demonstrated his ignorance of the latter.
clifford hall says
On the subject of Biden….
Though I am thousands of miles from US it is abundantly clear to me that Biden is a lightweight joker who has a self-evidently inflated ego. His position as VP was assured (a) as a token white standard, who (b) would rock no boats and whose claim to fame is a dismissive grin as a substitute for rational argument.
I think he should be asked to outline and explain his views on Islam coherently and, as someone said, I’m sorry Hirsi, whom I admire considerably, didn’t do it. Someone should.
On the subject of Christy
This is essentially what Christy has been asked to do – thus far, so far as I can see, without response. It follows that Christy sees himself as a gadfly whose presence as an irritant is carefully orchestrated. It would also follow that there is no depth in anything Christy actually says or is capable of thinking. His remarks can only touch the surface for he is simply an intellectual lightweight who doesn’t really pretend, of course, to be other than he is. He is a Biden look-alike – and I’ve no doubt that every time we address him he grins a lot.
For myself, I am glad to read his comments, personal or borrowed. Every blog, rather like Biden, must have a joker, whom everyone hates, for humour and variety’s sake. Every blog needs a dissenting voice. The joker convinces no one but serves at least to stimulate thought as in Wellington’s careful analysis above. That is his value.
Issues of whether Christy is male or female serve no purpose. In the sense I’ve suggested you either take him or leave him. But if we take him, it must be understood that in the taking we are addressing the world not Christy himself. That can only be a good thing since, in one sense, as we know very well, Christy IS the world.
Which causes me to say after reading the Gatestone Institute this morning how wonderful it is that thousands are marching peacefully in Germany.
Jay Boo says
clifford hall said,
“I think he should be asked to outline and explain his views on Islam coherently and, as someone said, I’m sorry Hirsi, whom I admire considerably, didn’t do it.”
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What Bull Crap!
This BS is just too much to bear.
You are not criticizing Biden or Christy; that is just misdirection FLUFF.
That whole spiel was nothing but an attempt to undermine Ayaan Hirsy Ali
Leftists and even some Muslims will CLAIM to admire Ayaan Hirsi Ali as long as she is not allowed to speak.
Let us not forget Clifford hall’s insights on
Creeping Sharia
Nothing to see or worry about here
November 27, 2014 at 11:51 am
Of course eagle-eyed voegelinian was asleep at the wheel on that post as well.
He was apparently too pre-occupied harassing others.
Jay Boo says
Clifford hall’s insights on Creeping Sharia — (Nothing to see or worry about here)
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/11/uk-law-society-apologizes-and-withdraws-sharia-guidelines/comment-page-2#comment-1154268
Champ says
“For myself, I am glad to read his comments, personal or borrowed.”
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Well, I think you’re in the minority, Cliff …just sayin’.
Jay Boo says
clifford hall’s defense of Christy would make a whole lot more sense if Christy’s comments were short to the point or at least on topic rather than a deliberate attempt to distract.
— Rather than applaud Ayaan Hirsi Ali for her decorum he finds a weak excuse to find fault.
— When clifford hall calls Biden a lightweight joker, he spends a paragraph dancing around the main point — Joe Biden is an (Islam apologist).
mortimer says
The title of this article would be more accurate as : “Imam Joe Biden Schools an EX-MUSLIM” or “Imam Joe Biden Schools an APOSTATE FROM ISLAM”.
Hummer says
Biden-poster boy of the ultimate example- with the exception of his boss-of the peter principle literally. America should rest uneasy while this idiot and the wannbe dictator are at the head of our great country.
Geppetto says
“…….smooth apologists who assured them that Sharia was benign and completely compatible with republican government and Western principles of human rights.”
Exactly, and who are these “smooth apologists,” where do they exert their influence and how long has this been going on??? The Muslim Brotherhood, Jihad at work, with remarkable and frightening success as is apparent from this incident. This is not just a reflection on the ignorance of Vice President Biden or on the entire Washington establishment. It reflects the success of the MB to establish and sustain the utter falsehood that “Islam is a religion of peace,” in every major venue; federal, state and local government, both political parties, print and media journalism, entertainment and academe; all venues responsible for the formation of the majority opinions and convictions of an entire culture. What else can explain the absolute failure of dedicated opposition individuals and groups to expose the lie or even create a bit of doubt and concern in over a decade since 9/11. If anything, this willful blindness is becoming even more opaque.
steakman says
Geppetto
I was wondering when someone would connect the dots here.! There is no doubt that the US Government and every other institution has been “turned” so to speak. The MB’s “PROJECT” is definitely bearing fruit…I guess it was only amatter of time, they’ve been at it since 1945..!!
I must say that one of the most damning articles I have ever read was found at the Gatestone Institutes Library…among many.
An absolute Must read for all concerned:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government
Jack HOLAN says
You are dead on concerning the MB. Until the the rise of Obama they were anonymous behind the scenes in key advising or decision roles in government. The media story goes way baack to the war in Lebanon at the Comasore Hotel where they started to be brain washed enmass. Many MB or liberals sympathetic to them went into writing educational books for schools K-12 & university.
Julius O'Malley says
A golden opportunity was missed by Ayaan Hirsi Ali to “speak truth to power”, as the Left are so conceitedly fond of putting it, when she failed to respond to Biden: “NO! Let ME tell YOU something about Islam, because I know a great deal about it and you know nothing!” I’m surprised and disappointed she didn’t. A whole book could be written: “When Joe met Ayaan”. It still could be, one illustrating the absurdity of an ignoramus meeting a deeply knowledgeable person and the former presuming to lecture the latter.
Myxlplik says
Myxl’s 2 cents on relativism.
The human mind is hard wired to make connections, by examining patterns in order to understand our environment.
Rationalism is the philosophy of employing scientific methods to govern our natural inclination to pattern search. Using scientific methods requires a lot of work, which is against human nature, because while searching for patterns is hard wired in us, hard work through research isn’t.
Relativism is the philosophy of pattern searching without the use of scientific methods, so you employ the hard wired need to pattern search, but the outcome is fixed through what you already know, which is your environment. It negates the need for scientific methods, because the outcome is presupposed, fixed which satisfies our need to find the quickest way from point a to b, our conclusion.
I think relativism and multiculturalism are 2 philosophies occupying the same coin. Ones heads the other is tails.
Jay Boo says
Islam apologist thinking 101
The following is a case book example of how these people think.
When the Islamic State’s butchery of Yazidis Christians and others in Iraq got so bad that the MSM could no longer ignore it — the liberal left had to acknowledge it.
I brought up the topic with a Muslim friendly liberal and he angrily shot back “Why don’t they just leave”
Blame the victim so as not to mention Islam.
He was expecting his reply to go unchallenged therefore had no defense to cling to far away from the comfortable confines of coexist la la land.
Jay Boo says
I wonder if Biden can explain Hillary’s Islamic head bump zabība she got when, in a panic of having to appear before Congress she banged her head on her prayer mat one too many times while asking Allah for yet another supply words of taqiyya.
nolacs22 says
Islam belongs in the century it was founded in, with the people it was founded by, and heard by the nuts that believe it. I don’t want MY country’s laws made with another country’s religious beliefs. Religion has NO place in a country’s Government. The bible fundamentalists of this country have it screwed up, enough as it is. Keep sharia law in sharia country. Just look what they do to women over there, straight out of the old testament goat shit and all.
Kepha says
It’s too bad that our politicos and pundits haven’t paid due attention to Elliot Abrams. He was much wiser than most when he urged them not to pretend that they can speak for what Islam really is.
Every time someone like Biden lectures someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali on what Islam really is or is not, I roll my eyes in disgust. We’ve had way too much of such embarrassing and foolish blathering. Yes, recognize that not all Muslims have signed on to the jihad against us. Yes, recognize that there’s a wide range in Muslims’ behavior and opinions. But please don’t pretend to be able to chop Quran and Hadith texts with the ‘Ulema at Al-Azhar and Qom! People like Biden, who probably claims to be a Christian, probably couldn’t adequately match Bible knowledge with a teen in a Christian High School!
Rob Porter says
Joe Biden is just an arrogant, empty-headed fool. Thank God he provided me with a total lack of awe for position or authority, and that consequently were I to meet the blundering ass Joe Biden and got into discussion about Islam, I would tell Joe bloody Biden that on the subject of Islam he is a total ignoramus.
How the devil did Americans put in office such a flaming air-head? Democrats used to take delight in ridiculing Vice-President Dan Quayle as intellectually lacking, but Dan Quayle was streets ahead of the unrefined, boorish, blundering bozo Biden.
quotha raven says
Rob Porter – LOL – now tell us how you really feel!
Uncle Vladdi says
Re: ” Yes, recognize that not all Muslims have signed on to the jihad against us. Yes, recognize that there’s a wide range in Muslims’ behavior and opinions. ”
NO, that’s only wishful thinking, like Biden’s, too.
Islam’s Qur’an officially discourages independant thinking:
“O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble… Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Quran. 5:101-102)
Capisce?
😉
Muslims aren’t allowed to challenge whatever Muhammad said (33:36).
And they must obey his every word:
8:20. “O you who believe! Obey Allâh and His Messenger, and turn not away from him (i.e. Messenger Muhammad ) while you are hearing.”
And exactly what is his Message? What are they commanded to do?
9:123. “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the Al-Muttaqûn” (the pious – see V.2:2).
Are they allowed to interpret the message differently, to choose which parts to believe, obey and/or reject?
2:85 … “Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment….”
Sura 4:77: Offensive eternal War is mandatory for them, because both the good and the bad come from allah:
Muslims have only two options: to go to War for allah, or to go to Hell: 9.38 & 39.
The “original religion” of Islam, is Jihad:
From:
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Hadith/English/Hadith/dawud/023.3455.html
Wages (Kitab Al-Ijarah)
Dawud :: Book 23 : Hadith 3455
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
“I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah), Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.”
Jihad is preferred over peaceful commerce and agriculture as an economic model. Get a clue: 3:151, 8:12, 39, 57, 60, 65, 67; 9:5, 29, 38, 39, 111, 120, 123; 33:26, 27; 47:4; 49:15; 59:2, 13; 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.
Surah Al-Anfal 8.39 commands Muslims to wage war against pagans until resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped. Surah At-Taubah 9.29 commands Muslims to wage war against people with scriptural religions until they are subjugated and submit to annual demands for extortion. Both commands are without chronological or geographic limits. They are permanent in duration and global in scope.
Muslims are admonished in Surah At-Taubah -.38-39, that they will suffer a “painful torment” if they do not join the Jihad. Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.111 and Surah As-Saff 10-12 that he will admit them to his celestial bordello if they join the Jihad.
Jihad is the Muslim’s get out of Hell free card! If he does not play that card, he meets Allah with a defect: hypocrisy. (Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4 #2763)
The minimum Jihad quota is once each year. If Jihad is not performed in a year when it was possible, all with knowledge of the imperative are sinners, liable to eternal damnation. (Reliance of the Traveller O9.1, Hedaya 2.140-141, The Book of Jihad pg. 18)
Muslims are commanded, in Surah Al-Anfal 8.57, to treat vanquished foes harshly so as to strike terror into those behind them. They are commanded in 8.60 to maximize the power of their army so as to terrify thereby prospective victims.
Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.120, that acts of terrorism will be rewarded with extra credit towards an upgrade in the celestial bordello.
AGAIN: Muslims are warned, in Surah Al-Baqarah 2.85, that they cannot select the parts of the Qur’an they like and reject the rest.
Surah Al-An’am 6.115 informs us that “none can change his words”. Surah Al-Kahf 18.27 confirms the immutability of Allah’s words: the Qur’an. Surah Yunus 10.64 confirms the obvious. Surah Ar-Rum 30.30 tells us that Islam cannot be changed. Exactly what part of this is not clear to liberals? Islam is the perfected wart of Allah and cannot be reformed. It is immutable.
Surah Al-Anfal 8.39 commands Muslims to wage war against pagans until resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped. Surah At-Taubah 9.29 commands Muslims to wage war against people with scriptural religions until they are subjugated and submit to annual demands for extortion. Both commands are without chronological or geographic limits. They are permanent in duration and global in scope.
Muslims are admonished in Surah At-Taubah -.38-39, that they will suffer a “painful torment” if they do not join the Jihad. Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.111 and Surah As-Saff 10-12 that he will admit them to his celestial bordello if they join the Jihad.
Jihad is the Muslim’s get out of Hell free card! If he does not play that card, he meets Allah with a defect: hypocrisy. (Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4 #2763)
The minimum Jihad quota is once each year. If Jihad is not performed in a year when it was possible, all with knowledge of the imperative are sinners, liable to eternal damnation. (Reliance of the Traveller O9.1, Hedaya 2.140-141, The Book of Jihad pg. 18)
Muslims are commanded, in Surah Al-Anfal 8.57, to treat vanquished foes harshly so as to strike terror into those behind them. They are commanded in 8.60 to maximize the power of their army so as to terrify thereby prospective victims.
Muslims are promised, in Surah At-Taubah 9.120, that acts of terrorism will be rewarded with extra credit towards an upgrade in the celestial bordello.
Muslims are warned, in Surah Al-Baqarah 2.85, that they cannot select the parts of the Qur’an they like and reject the rest.
Islam can be easily studied and known in its entirety, by anyone. It will never change!
So, when Western people won’t educate them *selves* about islam because our culture defers all thinking to those “authorities” we PAY to do our thinking and research for us, while they secretly know full-well that the salesmen in charge will always sell us all out, they ARE CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT INFANTILE DELINQUENT TRAITORS TO RATIONALITY AND CIVILIZATION!
BC says
Thanks for the extensive quotes they are very useful. But why the ‘Capisce’ you are not a mafia don are you?
Angemon says
Uncle Vladdi posted:
“Re: ” Yes, recognize that not all Muslims have signed on to the jihad against us. Yes, recognize that there’s a wide range in Muslims’ behavior and opinions. ”
NO, that’s only wishful thinking, like Biden’s, too.
Islam’s Qur’an officially discourages independant thinking:”
What islam mandates is one thing, what muslims do is another. Big or important as it may be, islam is not the only influence in muslim’s lives, especially for those living in western countries. If islam could ensure total submission and fidelity from muslims then there would be no Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq, Wafa Sultan or Ali Sina, just to name a few. Not as we know them, at least.
Beth says
“Biden was reflecting what virtually every policymaker in Washington believes – on both sides of the aisle.”
“….Why? Because her opinion of the religion was negative, and the possibility that such a view could have any merit whatsoever is inconceivable in Washington circles”
I do not prostylize. With that said, for those of you who don’t believe in the God of the Bible – you won’t be interested in the following. For those who do share my beliefs…
I don’t know why it hadn’t occurred to me sooner, But I’m beginning to believe that it is impossible for those in “Washington circles” to believe in the truth. And I believe it is Divine intervention. You see….the Scriptures must be fulfilled:
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (Satan and his false prophet), whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Islam’s evil wicked prophet calls the Son of God an abomination and all of the apostles (eye-witnesses) liars – who wasn’t even there with them at that time – and offering no proof – but his own say-so..
And so – the next time you see any of the members of Washington circles going into a church – remember the facts. And remember how they’ll quickly tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
dumbledoresarmy says
You wrote – ” I’m beginning to believe that it is impossible for those in “Washington circles” to believe in the truth. And I believe it is Divine intervention. You see….the Scriptures must be fulfilled”
So you believe that the Biblical God is a puppetmaster? He has a “play” that has to happen *just so* – and to make the play happen, He has to have Muslims who don’t repent (so he stops them from repenting?) and Useful Idiots (so he deliberately prevents them from repenting, too?). Tough bikkies for anyone whose “job” is to play a bad guy; they don’t get any grace to repent, they get handed their ‘script’ and they have to play it regardless???
Whatever happened to the *other* Scripture – the one that says that God does NOT desire the death of the wicked, but rather that they should turn from their wickedness, and live??
And whatever happened to that other warning from our Lord – that *no-one* knows the day and the hour, except the Father?
I’m NOT going to just sit back and say : God has damned all these people.
I’m going to keep right on praying, for the defeat of the Jihad, AND for the deliverance of those non-Muslims – Christian or non-Christian – who are suffering terrible torment at the hands of Muslims; AND I am going to pray, stubbornly and persistently, for the *salvation* of the Muslims, for their repentance and conversion. Because **with God all things are possible**.
Question: would you be *disappointed* if there were, in a western or non-western country, a mass conversion of Muslims to Christianity?
Would you be *disappointed* if a large number of those who are currently refusing to recognise what Islam is all about, suddenly “woke up” and started resisting Islamisation?
Question: DO you, personally, pray for the conversion of Muslims? Or do you believe that there is no point in so doing…that you would be *disobeying God* – going against his set-in-stone “script” for The End of the World – if you prayed for their conversion, for their redemption??
Kiwikaffir says
Good post, dispensationalists just need to let history run head long to some future fulfilment and can do nothing about it in the moment, pity they don’t believe in the kingdom of God here and now.
clifford hall says
Jay Boo
How interesting. The GREAT Jay Boo…..You quote selectively. You misrepresent my views on Shariah as distinct from my analysis of the Law Society’s guidance note. – both of which amount to lying. And you are simply a rude oaf.
There is NO defence of Christy only an assertion that the audi alteram partem rule works even in face of pig headed people like you who think they’ve collared the blog.
Moreover, I have already said elsewhere what you say in your penultimate post. It follows you are also an unrepentant plagiarist.
Look sunshine…you don’t seem very bright and beside you Christy is a charmer. Now – naff off or grow up.
Champ
Of course I’m in a minority. Do you actually think I give a toss? I reject virtually everything Christy says. But I defend his right to say it.
duh_swami says
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robert wagner says
Joe is the reason that Obama is unimpeachable.