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Sydney jihad hostage-taker was not on terror watch list

Dec 16, 2014 5:59 am By Robert Spencer

Australia jihadistHe was on bail for involvement in the honor murder of his ex-wife. He was charged with sexual assault. He had pleaded guilty to sending harassing letters to the families of Australian servicemen slain in Afghanistan. But none of that rose to any significant level of concern for Australian authorities — after all, they know it is a Religion of Peace, and too much scrutiny of its more unsavory adherents could well be “Islamophobic.”

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is concerned about this now, but yesterday he was saying that Man Haron Monis’s motivation was unclear after he had hostages hold the black flag of jihad against the cafe window.

“Abbott: Why was Sydney siege gunman not on terror list?,” BBC, December 16, 2014:

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has questioned why the gunman in the Sydney cafe siege was not on the country’s terror watch list.

He said the government would examine why Man Haron Monis had been on bail.

Mr Abbott paid tribute to the two hostages who died in Monday’s siege, describing them as “good people”.

The two hostages and Monis died as police commandos stormed the cafe in Martin Place early on Tuesday morning, ending the 16-hour siege.

An investigation has been launched into the police operation.

Police are also investigating the motives of Monis – an Iranian refugee who was a known extremist and faced multiple criminal charges – and how he got a gun.

At a press conference, Mr Abbott said: “How can someone who has had such a long and chequered history not be on the appropriate watch lists and how can someone like that be entirely at large in the community.

“These are questions that we need to look at carefully and calmly and methodically.”…

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  1. ManchesterLad says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 6:11 am

    If a camera man can get a clear shot of the Muslim terrorist, then why could a police sniper not get a clear shot and take him out?

    Even if a peaceful resolution is preferred, if there is an opportunity to end it without loss of innocent life – certainly by killing the gunman if necessary – then it should be taken without question.

    • Jax Tolmen says

      Dec 16, 2014 at 6:48 am

      There were snipers in the area. I was glued to the television all day watching. Even if the they did have a shot on him, the terrorist stated that he had an explosive device on him and two more around the city. This was proven to be false, but the police were forced to take this seriously until proven otherwise. Thai why all major landmarks were either evacuated, locked down or searched a few hours after the siege started.

    • Rob Crawford says

      Dec 16, 2014 at 8:11 am

      There was a window in the way. No matter how good the shot, the glass would have deflected the bullet.

      • Transmaster says

        Dec 16, 2014 at 8:12 pm

        RE” Glass would have deflected the bullet”

        Actually that is not entirely true. It depends on the cartridge used. the 338 Lapua Magnum used by the British, and US special forces for sniper work is perfectly capable of such a shot, and it is one that snipers practice. The bomb threat angle sounds like the reason.

  2. Chris says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 6:52 am

    If the prime minister tony abbott and all those in parliament do not know the jihad flag, when children in kindy garden from egypt to pakistan know, is despicable and deplorable.

    to then ask how this can happen is again deplorable wilful ignorance.

    have i hit the nail on the head?

  3. Michael Copeland says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 7:42 am

    Here is a suggested change to the law. Any hostage-taker who claims to have explosives on him can be shot on sight. Emergency situations require emergency reactions.

  4. Zebo says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 8:05 am

    This guy should have been in prison for years if he really has committed several sexual assaults,(wonder wether children were his victims)
    than this would not have happened.
    but as a member of da religion of ultimate mega peace he obviously got several “out of prison” card.

  5. David says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 8:43 am

    He was probably not on the list because Australia like the UK has so many possible Jihadis that they can’t watch them all.

  6. Jay Boo says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 8:46 am

    REFUGE / POLITIACL ASYLUM ???

    It is a scam.
    Man Haron Monis came to Australian as a refuge.
    Muslims memorize the guidelines needed to enter countries as a refuge.
    “Please help me; I face persecution” they say.
    Entitlement mongering Muslims have no gratitude.

  7. patches says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 8:51 am

    What ? Not on any terror lists ?? The whole bloody lot should be and this coming from what we thought were the progressive Ausies ??

  8. Jay Boo says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 10:29 am

    The Sydney news media probably tipped-off the jihad hostage-taker if he had access to TV or internet.
    They announced that the police would use night vision goggles and flash stun grenades thereby reducing the element of surprise..

  9. noellsq says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 11:09 am

    Will the authorities realize that releasing radicals on bond is dangerous. In an extreme view that i have the people who okayed his release should be held accountable and be sued for compensation or jailed. If they feel it is safe to release them,then let them be accountable.

  10. Angemon says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    Police are also investigating the motives of Monis – an Iranian refugee who was a known extremist and faced multiple criminal charges – and how he got a gun.

    His motives, eh? Let’s see, he was a pious muslim who supported the islamic state, who recently released a statement encouraging muslims to commit this kind of attacks.

    The only logical conclusion is that this has nothing to do with islam and is in fact a false flag attack perpetrated by christian-zionist-crusaders in order to promote hate against muslims. Why? Because screw logic, that’s why.

    • Godwin says

      Dec 18, 2014 at 9:10 am

      Christian-Zionist-crusaders must be your gods,who are so powerful to do this. Every time a Muslim do something bad must their work. So beware.! Wow ! must be the Almighty.

  11. Walter Sieruk says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Q.What does Islam bring to Australia ? A. Islam brings beach riots ,rapes, “honor killings,” jihadist scheming to commitmurderous act of violence against Australian citizens. Now this ! Islam can sure bring a lot of action to a country.

    • pumbar says

      Dec 17, 2014 at 12:29 am

      Don’t forget “cultural enrichment” (whatever that is).

  12. Salah says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    @Christy

    According to your own “holy” books, Muhammad could not tell the difference between a divine revelation and a satanic one!!!

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/10/muhammad-and-satan_24.html

  13. Angemon says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 2:44 pm

    Christy posted:

    “He has organized protests against the construction of mosques in New York.”

    No one wanted a mosque build on Ground Zero, especially when it was referd to as the “Cordoba Initiative”. Cordoba is a city in Spain where invader barbarian muslims transformed a christian cathedral into a mega mosque to symbolize their conquest and the superiority of islam over other faiths. The significance of building a mosque on the ruins of a building destroyed by devout muslims would not go unnoticed on islamic eyes. Apparently, Christy believes that opposing islamic supremacism is a bad thing.

    “He has advised the FBI on Islam and his books were recommended by the FBI for its agents.”

    So it’s a bad thing that your works are used by law enforcement agencies? What’s next, dissing the adoption of Roy Hazelwood’s work on sexual predators by law enforcement agencies?

    “The following is a comparison of their views on Muslims and Jews respectively.”

    Christ Christy, you can’t even copy/paste properly? Whose views are you comparing?

    Anyway, the first thing to point out is that this list (which Christy decided to spam on topics regardless of its relevance to the topic at hand) is nothing new:

    http://middleclassdub.blogspot.pt/2011/10/islamophobia-and-antisemitism-same.html

    The second thing to point out is that Christy (and Colm Ó Broin, the original author of that list) purposely leave out that Robert Spencer reports on what islamic clerics and leaders do and say, and backs what he says with quotes from the quran, ahadith, or islamic leaders or clerics.

    Let that sink in for a while. Ó Broin/Christy are arguing that what RS says about islam is similar to nazi propaganda. But RS backs what he says with quotes from islamic sources. Therefore, what Ó Broin/Christy are saying is that islam is similar to nazi propaganda.

    So, how about comparing muslims and jews, since Ó Broin/Christy are trying to pass them as being in the same situation? Let’s start with the Jews.

    There are no jewish organizations killing non-jews in the name of Yahweh. There are no jewish organizations calling for the establishment of a jewish state run by jewish law. There are no lone-wolf jews committing terror acts for the sake of Yahweh because the OT says that jews who kill and are killed for Yahweh are admitted into paradise. In fact, the violence in the OT is descriptive and restricted to specific times and places.

    Now let’s see how the muslims fare.

    There are muslim organizations killing non-muslims (and muslims who are deemed to be not devout enough) for the sake of allah. All over the world we see muslim groups calling for the establishment of a caliphate run by islamic law. All around the world muslims commit lone-wolf terror attacks because the quran says that those who kill and are killed in the name of allah are admitted into paradise. The quran mandates warfare against non-muslims for ever until islam rules all over the world.

    The nazi propaganda who unjustly portrayed jews as shrewd, devious creatures was just that: propaganda. In fact, much of it still lives on in the islamic world:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard

    A Nazi German cartoon circa 1938 depicts Churchill as a Jewish octopus encircling the glob

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#mediaviewer/File:OctopusNAS1.jpg

    The same imagery revived on the cover of the 2001 Egyptian edition of The International Jew.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard#mediaviewer/File:2001_ed_The_International_Jew_by_Henry_Ford.jpg

    Anyone claiming that muslims are being persecuted worldwide the same way jews were persecuted in pre-WWII Germany should be committed to a mental asylum for life. Where are the muslims being forced to use a green crescent on their clothes to let everyone else knew that they are muslims, like the jews who had to wear a yellow star of David? Where are the signs on restaurants, or barbershops, or anywhere else saying “NO MUSLIMS ALLOWED”? Where are muslims being forced by the government to live in ghettos? The treatment of jews in pre-WWII Germany and of muslims nowadays is as far apart as zero is from infinity, no matter what grievance mongers like Ó Broin or Christy here would have us think.

  14. Elise says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    This is just another horror story where people are afraid to tell the truth, like the sexual molestation and enslavement of girls and young women in Britain. If this Monis and his wife were Christians or atheists, they would certainly be in jail without bail. Perhaps the story where the Emperor Wore No Clothes needs to be required reading for all Westerners, especially blind politicians and social workers.

    I am not a person who reads the Bible much, but the belief called Islam seems to be dominated by evil, much like the devil. I suppose those who have no free will to question their religious leaders or their religion, are not intelligent enough to see the difference between a loving God and a revengeful unforgiving God like Allah. What kind of God tells his followers that wine and sex are forbidden on earth, but there will be plenty of both when they die and go to paradise.? The Muslims couldn’t even write their own history, they plagiarized the Old Testament and continually rewrite history.

  15. Jerry says

    Dec 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    There is no God but YAHVE and Mohammed, a Son of a Who.. , a daughter of a demon, is Satan’s messenger.

  16. pumbar says

    Dec 17, 2014 at 12:41 am

    I’ve often wondered if those headbands they wear actually read “space for rent” in arabic?

  17. Elisheva says

    Dec 17, 2014 at 6:34 am

    Soon to be repeated in the USA. Rasmea Odeh, convicted of lying on immigration forms about terrorist past, to be released on bond. Here is a very biased article describing “poor” Rasmea’s situation.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/12/rasmea_odeh_convicted_of_lying.html

    So many idiots.

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