Islam and Muslims have been at war with human beings for last 1400 years!!
terrysays
Robert Spencer,
You gave clear precise answers, cited facts, without sugar coating them, were calm and centred.
I really enjoyed watching that interview because you said many of the things that are already in my mind.
Carolesays
I don`t know how anyone can give a comparable comment on Islam and Christianity!
Since when did Christians carry out violent attacks as the muslim extremists do?
Thousands of Christians around the world have and are being slaughtered as we speak in muslim countries!
The jews are also being attacked and persecuted!
If you read the quran their are countless verses instructing the followers to murder and oppress jews and christians!
The problem is there is hardly any news in the media about this!
Descendantofacrusadersays
I see little difference between this “lone-wolf”, Muslim jihadist, Imam Man Haron Monis, and all the Methodist ministers out there who have gone “postal” on unbelievers. Spiritual beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with mass murder.
Mark Edford Eletionsays
“Spiritual beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with mass murder.”
From the time of mohammad, to Jonestown, to the latest worldwide islamic scourge, spiritual beliefs are one of the major causes of and contributors to mass murder.
Are you a professional astroturfer? If so, you might be able to make some extra cash working for Burson-Marsteller, or one of the many other PR companies engaged in promoting islamic causes. Or maybe you already do work for them.
Descendantofacrusadersays
Dido from my reply to mortimer. Sorry you did not pick up on the dry humor
mortimersays
Name ONE Methodist minister who held hostages in the name of a Christian empire!
Facts matter. Fantasy is not ‘fact’…it is fantasy.
Descendantofacrusadersays
The word is “sarcasm” and it was deliberate here – sorry that went right over your noggin – it did, however, get you to think about a completely inane comparison about two religions.
Jay Boosays
ficar ficar foo ou partir partir poo
It is all up to me & you
To either submit or to be free and follow through
I am from Australia. Political correctness is ruining our country. It starts in university and the problem is, the professors teach that Australia, the USA and Briton are the perpetrator of war crimes. They claim that we are the reason that the Middle East want to use terrorist attacks to get the message across. They say that we oppress the people in the Middle East and we are at fault. some of the universities call them freedom fighters. Now that is ridiculous.
This mentality destroys patriotism for our countries, and causes our young people to run around believing the country that my father who fought in WW2 to keep free, and the country that they were raised in and kept safe in, and that educated them, as well as fed them, and loved them, is the reason terrorism is in this world. This type of mentality needs to stop.
I was disgusted by some of the things the news reporters were saying, using political correctness to soften the truth. They were using Political Correctness to avoid saying that this was an Islamic attack. Saying things like “we are not sure if this is a terrorist attack or just a mad man holding people hostage” WHAT! Are they Idiots? The man was getting the hostages to hold a known terrorist flag up to the window, and this was clearly to make his point that this was an Islamic attack. Political Correctness is traitorous and is making our young people open to accept Islamic attacks.
Unfortunately it makes them open to become a so called freedom fighter, in more truthful words an Islamic terrorist attackers.
The left wing liberal thinkers need to realize that this acceptance of Islam is opening the door for our country to eventually be taken over by them, without much opposition. Cultural Jihad is Political Correctness towards Islam and it is currently taking ground. It needs to stop. .
Myxlpliksays
Political Correctness is like snot to the flu, a byproduct of philosophical relativism. I don’t think western “intelegencia” is making an actual critical analysis of Islam, because they filter everything they know to be true in purely relativistic terms, therefore it is not possible to readily distinguish foreign ideologies and truly relate them to motivation. We need a more rational approach, not clouded by emotion or what WE believe to be true. Rationalism while not perfect allows for foreign ideas to be analyzed critically, without the bias of relativism.
The human mind is hard wired to make connections, by examining patterns in order to understand our environment.
Rationalism is the philosophy of employing scientific methods to govern our natural inclination to pattern search. Using scientific methods requires a lot of work, which goes against against human nature, because while searching for patterns is hard wired in us, hard work through research isn’t.
Relativism is the philosophy of pattern searching without the use of scientific methods, so you employ the hard wired need to pattern search, but the outcome is fixed through what you already know, which is your environment. It negates or lessens the need for scientific methods, because the outcome is presupposed, fixed which satisfies our need to find the quickest way from point a to b, our conclusion.
I think relativism and multiculturalism are 2 philosophies occupying the same coin. One is heads the other is tails.
The truth is, due to decades of poor immigration policy related to the philosophy of relativism mated with our ideals of freedom of thought, conscious, and expression has lead to the philosophy of unlimited multiculturalism without nuance. An analysis of our ideals mated with the philosophy of rationalism causes an external locus of data to be considered, which naturally leads to controlled immigration policy, borders, and an analysis of creeds/demographics relative to immigration policy which fit into our ideals.
This wasn’t done, so now we literally have hundreds of millions of Muslims in the west, who don’t believe in our ideals of freedom, as doctrine, which the Islamic State can call upon as soldiers within our societies. How we deal with this is going to be tricky. In the end, let’s hope we don’t have to sacrifice our ideals in order to survive, but the failure started with the idea of unlimited multiculturalism due “relativism ”, mated with our ideals of freedom not “rationalism” mated with our ideals.
Myxlpliksays
The establishment wants business as usual in regards to immigration and Muslims, so they play word games, like “lone wolf” to describe Jihad in an effort distance Islam from the Muslim community, and immigration policy.
mortimersays
It’s self-directed, individual jihad. Many of these single jihadists may be coached and have silent partners.
Myxlpliksays
It’s doctrine by the numbers, some Muslims will heed the call to Jihad. The more Muslims you have, the more Jihad you have. It’s not really possible to shield Islam from the behavior of Mohammed. It’s not individual, it’s not self directed, it’s Islam.
We have to be allowed to analyse Islamic philosophy without mindless and adhominem comparisons to the Nazis.
The vast majority of Jihadwatchers & Robert himself only ask that immigration policy be reviewed, and the doctrine of Islam be analysed in the defense of free societies. The rest is up to Muslims if they want to create free societies in their world, in fact I’m totally against war with Muslims.
Myxlpliksays
“Crusty”
In fact it is because of Robert that I no longer am in favor of war in the Islamic world in any contextual problem solving role, whether it is occupation, or supporting any Islamic elements regarding energy policy, or Islamic elements to be used as political pawns against common enemies etc, etc etc the list goes on and on. Islamic apologists, such as Bush & Obama, due to their flawed analysis conclude that our involvement in this conflict is an actual problem solving solution, so it is the apologists and their Muslim Brotherhood advisers who are actually the harbingers of war, not men like Robert, or Jihadwatchers.
The only engagement I support is protecting non-Muslims on the borders of Dar al Islam who can control geographic areas, such as Israel. Possibly even a Christian majority state in the Middle East if there could be a way or willingness to control its borders.
PRCSsays
As much of this post concerns the failure of western politicians and journalists to call jihad just that, I note that the Sun interview with Robert Spencer, while he was talking, labeled that jihadist as a “Radical Muslim Cleric”.at the 48 second mark.
Now, during such an interview, why did The Sun do that? Why do they perpetuate such nonsense?
What do The Sun’s staffers think differentiates a Muslim cleric and a “Radical” Muslim cleric? If asked, would they know?
kalunga wanjesays
A German’s View on Islam – worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’
‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’
‘We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’
‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’
‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’
‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.’
‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’
‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’
Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.
Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it’s too late, and we are silenced because we were silent!!!
Jaladhi says
Islam and Muslims have been at war with human beings for last 1400 years!!
terry says
Robert Spencer,
You gave clear precise answers, cited facts, without sugar coating them, were calm and centred.
I really enjoyed watching that interview because you said many of the things that are already in my mind.
Carole says
I don`t know how anyone can give a comparable comment on Islam and Christianity!
Since when did Christians carry out violent attacks as the muslim extremists do?
Thousands of Christians around the world have and are being slaughtered as we speak in muslim countries!
The jews are also being attacked and persecuted!
If you read the quran their are countless verses instructing the followers to murder and oppress jews and christians!
The problem is there is hardly any news in the media about this!
Descendantofacrusader says
I see little difference between this “lone-wolf”, Muslim jihadist, Imam Man Haron Monis, and all the Methodist ministers out there who have gone “postal” on unbelievers. Spiritual beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with mass murder.
Mark Edford Eletion says
“Spiritual beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with mass murder.”
From the time of mohammad, to Jonestown, to the latest worldwide islamic scourge, spiritual beliefs are one of the major causes of and contributors to mass murder.
Are you a professional astroturfer? If so, you might be able to make some extra cash working for Burson-Marsteller, or one of the many other PR companies engaged in promoting islamic causes. Or maybe you already do work for them.
Descendantofacrusader says
Dido from my reply to mortimer. Sorry you did not pick up on the dry humor
mortimer says
Name ONE Methodist minister who held hostages in the name of a Christian empire!
Facts matter. Fantasy is not ‘fact’…it is fantasy.
Descendantofacrusader says
The word is “sarcasm” and it was deliberate here – sorry that went right over your noggin – it did, however, get you to think about a completely inane comparison about two religions.
Jay Boo says
ficar ficar foo ou partir partir poo
It is all up to me & you
To either submit or to be free and follow through
Islamsucksman says
I am from Australia. Political correctness is ruining our country. It starts in university and the problem is, the professors teach that Australia, the USA and Briton are the perpetrator of war crimes. They claim that we are the reason that the Middle East want to use terrorist attacks to get the message across. They say that we oppress the people in the Middle East and we are at fault. some of the universities call them freedom fighters. Now that is ridiculous.
This mentality destroys patriotism for our countries, and causes our young people to run around believing the country that my father who fought in WW2 to keep free, and the country that they were raised in and kept safe in, and that educated them, as well as fed them, and loved them, is the reason terrorism is in this world. This type of mentality needs to stop.
I was disgusted by some of the things the news reporters were saying, using political correctness to soften the truth. They were using Political Correctness to avoid saying that this was an Islamic attack. Saying things like “we are not sure if this is a terrorist attack or just a mad man holding people hostage” WHAT! Are they Idiots? The man was getting the hostages to hold a known terrorist flag up to the window, and this was clearly to make his point that this was an Islamic attack. Political Correctness is traitorous and is making our young people open to accept Islamic attacks.
Unfortunately it makes them open to become a so called freedom fighter, in more truthful words an Islamic terrorist attackers.
The left wing liberal thinkers need to realize that this acceptance of Islam is opening the door for our country to eventually be taken over by them, without much opposition. Cultural Jihad is Political Correctness towards Islam and it is currently taking ground. It needs to stop. .
Myxlplik says
Political Correctness is like snot to the flu, a byproduct of philosophical relativism. I don’t think western “intelegencia” is making an actual critical analysis of Islam, because they filter everything they know to be true in purely relativistic terms, therefore it is not possible to readily distinguish foreign ideologies and truly relate them to motivation. We need a more rational approach, not clouded by emotion or what WE believe to be true. Rationalism while not perfect allows for foreign ideas to be analyzed critically, without the bias of relativism.
The human mind is hard wired to make connections, by examining patterns in order to understand our environment.
Rationalism is the philosophy of employing scientific methods to govern our natural inclination to pattern search. Using scientific methods requires a lot of work, which goes against against human nature, because while searching for patterns is hard wired in us, hard work through research isn’t.
Relativism is the philosophy of pattern searching without the use of scientific methods, so you employ the hard wired need to pattern search, but the outcome is fixed through what you already know, which is your environment. It negates or lessens the need for scientific methods, because the outcome is presupposed, fixed which satisfies our need to find the quickest way from point a to b, our conclusion.
I think relativism and multiculturalism are 2 philosophies occupying the same coin. One is heads the other is tails.
The truth is, due to decades of poor immigration policy related to the philosophy of relativism mated with our ideals of freedom of thought, conscious, and expression has lead to the philosophy of unlimited multiculturalism without nuance. An analysis of our ideals mated with the philosophy of rationalism causes an external locus of data to be considered, which naturally leads to controlled immigration policy, borders, and an analysis of creeds/demographics relative to immigration policy which fit into our ideals.
This wasn’t done, so now we literally have hundreds of millions of Muslims in the west, who don’t believe in our ideals of freedom, as doctrine, which the Islamic State can call upon as soldiers within our societies. How we deal with this is going to be tricky. In the end, let’s hope we don’t have to sacrifice our ideals in order to survive, but the failure started with the idea of unlimited multiculturalism due “relativism ”, mated with our ideals of freedom not “rationalism” mated with our ideals.
Myxlplik says
The establishment wants business as usual in regards to immigration and Muslims, so they play word games, like “lone wolf” to describe Jihad in an effort distance Islam from the Muslim community, and immigration policy.
mortimer says
It’s self-directed, individual jihad. Many of these single jihadists may be coached and have silent partners.
Myxlplik says
It’s doctrine by the numbers, some Muslims will heed the call to Jihad. The more Muslims you have, the more Jihad you have. It’s not really possible to shield Islam from the behavior of Mohammed. It’s not individual, it’s not self directed, it’s Islam.
Salah says
@Christy
Did you know that everywhere he went, Muhammad the Prophet of Islam needed women to pick the lice from his hair?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/09/muhammad-s-lice.html
Myxlplik says
We have to be allowed to analyse Islamic philosophy without mindless and adhominem comparisons to the Nazis.
The vast majority of Jihadwatchers & Robert himself only ask that immigration policy be reviewed, and the doctrine of Islam be analysed in the defense of free societies. The rest is up to Muslims if they want to create free societies in their world, in fact I’m totally against war with Muslims.
Myxlplik says
“Crusty”
In fact it is because of Robert that I no longer am in favor of war in the Islamic world in any contextual problem solving role, whether it is occupation, or supporting any Islamic elements regarding energy policy, or Islamic elements to be used as political pawns against common enemies etc, etc etc the list goes on and on. Islamic apologists, such as Bush & Obama, due to their flawed analysis conclude that our involvement in this conflict is an actual problem solving solution, so it is the apologists and their Muslim Brotherhood advisers who are actually the harbingers of war, not men like Robert, or Jihadwatchers.
The only engagement I support is protecting non-Muslims on the borders of Dar al Islam who can control geographic areas, such as Israel. Possibly even a Christian majority state in the Middle East if there could be a way or willingness to control its borders.
PRCS says
As much of this post concerns the failure of western politicians and journalists to call jihad just that, I note that the Sun interview with Robert Spencer, while he was talking, labeled that jihadist as a “Radical Muslim Cleric”.at the 48 second mark.
Now, during such an interview, why did The Sun do that? Why do they perpetuate such nonsense?
What do The Sun’s staffers think differentiates a Muslim cleric and a “Radical” Muslim cleric? If asked, would they know?
kalunga wanje says
A German’s View on Islam – worth reading. This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’
‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’
‘We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’
‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’
‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’
‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’
‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’
‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.’
‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores.’
‘In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’
‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life.’
Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.
Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it’s too late, and we are silenced because we were silent!!!