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“Waging jihad against the West…is beyond a shadow of the doubt a religious obligation binding upon every Muslim”

Dec 7, 2014 5:53 pm By Robert Spencer

How did Yahya Maguire, a convert to Islam from Canada, get this idea? Don’t all the mosques in Canada teach peace and tolerance? Why is this misunderstanding of Islam so widespread?

“John Maguire, an ISIS fighter from Ottawa, appears on video warning Canada of attacks ‘where it hurts you the most,’” by Stewart Bell, National Post, December 7, 2014 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

A Muslim convert who left Ottawa last year to join ISIS resurfaced in a propaganda video on Sunday to threaten Canadians they will be “indiscriminately targeted” in retaliation for joining the international military coalition fighting the terror group.

In a six-minute video, he said the October killings of two Canadian Forces members in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., and Ottawa by men who had adopted Islamist extremist beliefs were a “direct response” to Canada’s role in Iraq.

“The more bombs you drop on our people, the more Muslims will realize and understand that today, waging jihad against the West and its allies around the world is beyond a shadow of the doubt a religious obligation binding upon every Muslim,” he said.

While he identified himself as Abu Anwar al-Canadi, three former friends said they recognized him as John Maguire, a former University of Ottawa student who converted to Islam and became radicalized before vanishing last year.

His family told the National Post the RCMP had told his mother he was in Syria and had travelled there on a one-way ticket. Posting online under the name “Yahya” Maguire, he had called Canada “evil” and said that he wanted “the opportunity for martyrdom.”

Originally from Kemptville, Ont., the 24-year-old is one of the dozens of Canadians believed to be fighting with extremist groups in Iraq and Syria. Since the attacks in Quebec and Ottawa, the government has proposed new legislation to better track them abroad.

“Terrorism remains a real and serious threat to Canadians, which is why we must remain vigilant,” said Steven Blaney, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, in a statement on Sunday. “That is why we are taking part in the coalition that is currently conducting air strikes against ISIL, and supporting the security forces in Iraq in their fight against this terrorist scourge.

“It is also the reason that we are working very determinedly to strengthen the tools available to the police and intelligence community to better protect us.”‘

The video, posted onto Twitter and jihadi Web forums, and distributed by the SITE Intelligence Group, said Canada was “waging war” against Muslims. “So it should not surprise you when operations by the Muslims are executed where it hurts you the most – on your very own soil – in retaliation to your unprovoked acts of aggression towards our people,” Maguire said.

“You have absolutely no right to live in a state of safety and security when your country is carrying out atrocities on our people,” he added. “Your people will be indiscriminately targeted as you indiscriminately target our people.”

Like many jihadists, Mr. Maguire claimed he had been an ordinary Canadian until his religious awakening. “I was one of you. I was a typical Canadian. I grew up on the hockey rink and spent my teenage years on stage playing guitar,” he said.

“I had no criminal record. I was a bright student and maintained a strong GPA in university. So how could one of your people end up in my place? And why is it that your own people are the ones turning against you at home? The answer is that we have accepted the true call of the prophets and messengers of God.”

He told Canadians to convert to Islam….

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  1. mortimer says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    Canadians are on the whole just as gullible as Americans about jihad, but that is changing. The more ganja they smoke, the more likely they are to live in a fantasy land about jihad.

    • cs says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 6:07 pm

      hahaha. Even though at some point you come to see reality, even burnin babylon.

    • Salah says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 11:45 pm

      “Canadians are on the whole just as gullible as Americans about jihad”

      Things are changing, mortimer. Check out the comment section here:

      http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/john-maguire-an-isis-fighter-from-ottawa-appears-on-video-warning-canada-of-attacks-%E2%80%98where-it-hurts-you-the-most%E2%80%99/ar-BBgsMtk

      • Alissa says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 12:20 am

        Yes that’s right. Unlike the US we have a leader with guts. Stephen Harper isn’t afraid to say the words “Islamic Terrorism” and he makes it clear that terrorists will be dealt with; he has taken the initiative and met with Netanyahu in person in Israel to publicly declare his support for Israel; he told Putin recently to get out of the Ukraine; he has tightened up on immigration. Canadians everywhere are talking about I-S-L-A-M-I-C terrorists; not “Asian” not “Foreign” or whatever the other gutless terms are bandied about by mainstream media and political leaders. Canadians might be small in numbers and “boring” compared to our UK or US “cousins” but we are all talking about this threat and taking it very seriously because we understand that sooner or later this cancer will strangle us too if we sit and ignore it. We also watch in disbelief how the UK rolls over for the barbaric 5% of the population that daily take more freedoms destroy more British culture demand more legal concessions. It scares the hell out of us and we don’t want that to happen here. It’s shocking to us that nothing substantial has been done with the muslim gang rapes. The Brits should be rioting in the streets. And yet….nothing. Sickening.

        • Scott says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 4:51 am

          They are using the money they get from halal certification to expand their disgusting, primitive and repressive ideology through our fantastic, free community. They are a C A N C E R. Our Western governments actually HELP them do it.

        • Rob Porter says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 1:19 pm

          Alissa, Yes, Stephen Harper on one or two occasions talked about Islamic terrorism, but which other Canadian politician? Have you tried writing to the Minister of Immigration, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Prime Minister about Islam and Muslim immigration? I have and it is a waste of effort. Promises of a response don’t materialize.
          I don’t know where in Canada you are, but here in Ontario where I live very few individuals are discussing Islam, most shy away from the subject (gripped by p.c, attitudes they fear looking intolerant), and most Canadian politicians are totally gutless on the subject of Islam. Go to Google and watch Tarek Fatah’s gutsy confrontation with the painfully p.c. Senator Grant Mitchell who happens to be part of the ‘wondrous’ security investigation committee in Ottawa. God help Canada if this clown’s views are representative of Canada’s politicians – but my bet is that it is!
          Meanwhile Muslim immigrants flock into Canada and more and more we see women in hijabs and niqabs. You need to watch Michael Coren and Ezra Levant on Sun TV more.

          Canadian toughness is an illusion.

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm

          Yes, I think Alissa was exaggerating a tad. Cannot one aver that X is better than Y, without having to ratchet up the hyperbole to the nth degree? So yes, Harper is better than most other Western leaders; but that doesn’t mean that Canada does not still have problems burying its collective head in the snow about Islam (and about Muslims — don’t forget to always add that coda, JW Children).

      • mortimer says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 6:10 am

        Salah, The number of the naïve is still sadly very high. All those who are ready to take a chance by voting for Justin Trudeau don’t realize he is managed by Muslims who are deceiving him with the ‘Islam is peace’ disinformation. They are gullibly ready to elect a prime minister who is one of the naïvest Liberals since Mackenzie King. Trudeau is a jihad enabler.

      • Rob Porter says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 12:40 pm

        I’m not yet convinced. When over the last three years I’ve written to the letter editors at the National Post about ‘Israeli apartheid week’ and described it for the lie it represents, the Post would not publish my letters. I’ve written on other matters regarding Islam and they didn’t see the light of day, yet have published some really drivelllng trash from Muslim subscribers.

        • John Stefan Obeda says

          Dec 11, 2014 at 9:34 pm

          It is very discouraging. I too have written to the National Post and the editor had refused to print it, I think, for fear of causing trouble with the Muslims. We really do not have the free speech that we did have here in Canada when I came to Canada in 1955. Maybe it was Ezra Levant that said that he has the right to offend someone. What he meant was that we have the right in our country to publicly say, for instance, that ISIS is Islam even if the Muslims don’t like it and they are offended to high heaven. .

    • Scott says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 4:47 am

      You can Australians into that sad group too. So many apathetic or do-gooder types have absolutely NO IDEA of what is happening to their community’s future. It truly is a global problem.

      • mortimer says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 6:12 am

        Australians understand that halal certification is a GATEWAY for supremacism and jihad and control of societies!

        Halal certification is being extended to pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, shipping and large categories of food. Eventually, ONLY MUSLIMS will be able to do those jobs, wiping out much employment presently done by kafirs.

    • Jack says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 7:22 am

      By radicalized I believe the press and government mean or imply indoctrinated as if on the Net they are in some North Korean, Chinese or Soviet re=education camp. Simply know one can unwillingly be “radicalized” on the Net and I think it would be very difficult to do so except for the weakest elements of our society. In order to be turned into the Monsters we are talking about, these “people” need human contact with a role model and a “collective” or Mosque membership where they have a sense of belonging in order to defend. How can you develop emotions of love, hate, defend, belonging connected to a machine without human contact? Yes there may be rare instances but in my opinion they need the nurturing of humans. I believe Jihad and Jihadists come in many forms. There are the brutish soldier Jihadists who will take your head off either on the battlefield or in an urban environment under the cover of darkness to hide their crime. There is the stealth Jihadist who tries to blend in unnoticed into society, become successful in his/her field and try to make changes and influence, important, core individuals to their way of thinking so changes can be made to bring society closer to Sharia. The ultimate Jihadist would be the Manchurian. I am not sure if he exists but it sure looks like he does not only to us in the West but to many in the Arab World and other parts. We actually know very little about his past since no investigative journalist has actually performed what used to their task. Records seem to be sealed up and many parts of the story seem to have holes where no one remembers him. One day he appeared. The fact that he was educated in an Islamic school rather than a public school in Indonesia does say much and it is impossible that it did not influence his thinking. Also he had two Muslim fathers. Lineage being transferred from the father down, something he would have learned and at the very least thought about when trying to discover his identity. So my point is the danger of Jihadists if vast and widespread.

    • Cranky Canadian says

      Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      Canadians as a whole are not gullible about jihad-our politicians have been!

  2. Kieran Pavlick says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:04 pm

    The Muslim has been indoctrinated for 1300 years approximately. And the creator of Islam and I won’t say his name like I would not show the name of any terrorist. The people have become brainwashed and like a child wanting to get the approval of their parents, Muslims can be easily turned from so-called “Peaceful” followers to radicals by their Imam’s by inferring that Jews and Christians disrespected the creator of their religion. Then we have other people who feel terrible about themselves that feel they are inferior or stupid or have some other mental or physical defect and believe that their own people are trying to avoid being around them because of those imagined defects so they will lash out because they are promised paradise if they kill non-Muslims. And paradise means they will be made perfect in the after life.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      Jihad isn’t ‘brainwashing’…it’s normative Islam.

      Legal Definition of Jihad: the legal definition of jihad is given in the Reliance of the Traveller, O9.0: “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims.”

      Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
      I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction (become businessmen), hold the tails of oxen (become cattlemen), are pleased with agriculture (become farmers), and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion (the original Islam is jihad).

      “We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on Jihad as long as we live.” –Bukhari 4.52.87 (jihad is unending)

      “If someone dies without participating in Jihad and not having the Intention of ever doing Jihaad, he has died on a branch of Hypocrisy (Nifaaq)” – Ibn Taymiyyah

      “O you who believe! If you will aid (the cause of) Allah He will aid you and plant your feet firmly.” Koran 47:7

      Ishaq: 395 “Muslims, if you listen to the unbelievers you will retreat from the enemy and become losers. Ask Allah for victory and do not retreat, withdrawing from His religion. ‘We will terrorize those who disbelieve. In that way I will help you against them.'”

      ‘Fight the idolators utterly’ (Koran 9:36)

      • Kirimasa says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 12:25 am

        Spot on. It’s all about holy war against the people not following the Crescent. 1100 years before Christ, The Midianites were so cruel that the Israelites made hiding places for themselves in the mountains and caves.

        http://wp.me/p3tGFm-b0

        Crescents made of gold were hanging on their camels.

  3. cs says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:08 pm

    Now, that is surprising isn’t it folks?

  4. Steve says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:11 pm

    Why in the world would Canada or any other Western country prevent fanatics like this from moving to the Islamic State and being used as cannot fodder? Good Lord, if this nut wasn’t an Islamic fanatic in ISIS, he would be a communist fanatic in the Spartacus Youth League or whatever other Marxist group is slithering around these days. He has the exact same tone in his voice. Either way, Canada is so much better off without him.

    • Alissa says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 12:30 am

      Yes I agree. i just feel sorry for his mother. I’m sure she didn’t want him to grown up to be a dirt bag islamic terrorist. Mosques everywhere should be constantly monitored and imams sent directly back and if they were born here…I’ve heard lethal injection is a cheap way of disposing of traitors. Don’t put them in jails to proselytize to inmates.

      Mortimer is right though, the imams are just behaving as they should according to the Qaran….so the answer is…don’t allow muslim immigration or sponsorship.

    • BW022 says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 1:54 am

      No. Western countries would be far better off dealing with them while they still have them. Once they leave the country, they get access to weapon, training, money, etc. and can then return to Canada and carry out attacks. It takes massive amounts of intelligence (which is iffy at best) to try tracking them, keeping them out of the country or other western countries, etc.

      Western nations need to be able to deal with these people using their own laws. If they can’t… the war is lost. Hoping they never come back is pointless. Sure, hopefully 80%, 90%+ of them will die. Great. That’s how many dead Christians, Kurds, etc. And then what of the 10% who don’t die? Twenty years of trying to track them down like Bin Ladin? Risking troops, hoping foreign boarder folks will catch them, etc. And that only what… 1,000 or so which will be coming back to western countries, hardened, trained, with contacts and money, etc. We know what 20 people with box cutters can do.

      Sorry… the west needs to be able to deal with them when it gets them. If they find them before they leave, they need to be able to put on trial, jailed (for life) or simply killed if such countries could do so. However, letting them go just puts you in a much worse situation. If you are too weak to do something beforehand, what are you going to do if you catch them later? Or worse, you don’t catch them later and you find a derailed train, water supply full of radioactive waste, or thirty elementary school children blown up in a bus? Are you going to say… “Sorry, we knew you were a Jihadi, but we just figured you’d be killed overseas?”

  5. Ashley says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    That is one dangerous video…

  6. Jaladhi says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 6:54 pm

    This parrot is merely repeating what he has learned in mosque from Mo/allah’s rep – the imam. Imams in all mosques teach jihad to new converts and old faithfuls. These imams are like the enforcers of mafia gang and SS troopers of nazis. They make sure that the followers are kept in line.

    • voegelinian says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      The followers are neither blameless nor harmless. Islam spreads in ways we do not understand in the West; it doesn’t merely require leaders and followers; it’s a much more osmotic process, we must reasonably assume; but someone named “Jaladhi” ought to know better.

  7. Jack says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    What makes the US somewhat unique is people from all over the World come here for the opportunity that does not exist where the come from and most of them want to shed their past and become “real” Americans irrespective of their ethnicity, religion, culture or race. What makes the US great is that in theory and today for the most part we all have an equal footing from the starting point.
    If this were a land where people came to bringing their World along with them this place would quickly fall into the chaos that they were fleeing.
    As far as Islam, I have no problem with what they “believe”. Belief is not an issue for the vast majority of Americans until you start infringing upon our rights and our Beliefs; telling us what we can and cannot do because your religion says so which is tantamount to meaning that that your religion is relevant and ours is not. Furthermore to believe that you will supersede our Constitution/Bill of Rights, Federal Code, Precedent Law, State Constitution and State Laws and replace it with religious law the Sharia that is antithetical to our Criminal & Civil Law as well as our mores it isn’t going to happen. The Founding of our country was indeed based upon the Christian=Judaeo Ethos however it did not take the tenets of the religion and impose it upon the populace.
    If someone comes here expecting to live according to Sharia and exact punishment according to Sharia they should find a Muslim country that is governed by Sharia because if you impose some type of death sentence on someone, or corporal punishment you will bear severe criminal and civil consequences without recourse.

    • Jack says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 7:34 am

      If what they believe is not acted upon and in no way used to try to influence my government, religion or to bring harm or lack of freedom to members of their own faith, I will stick my neck out that within those limitations I don’t have a problem. It is guaranteed under Bill of Rights and I would hate to think one day for one reason or another my own religion being on the chopping block. All this said, any religion must conform to the laws of this land, not supersede or vanquish other religions or their celebrations and if Islam cannot play by those rules then you are right there is no place for them in the US. I lived in Israel for many, many years where Israeli Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and a host of others practice their their religions without a problem with full equal access to all religious sites. Recently what you see is are Palestinians not Israeli citizens rioting and in those cases where by Israeli Muslims have been stirred up it has be by Nationalistic Propaganda and lies by the Palestinian authorities

  8. Kepha says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    One more young Westerner whose better senses were overcome by the great roaring engine of revolutionary romance.

    Over the summer, I went to a party where I heard a couple of aging Lefties (old enough to have used “fag” as the nastiest possible insult for a man; still admiring a certain aging Cuban leftist icon for whom “marri–n” is still so used) opining wistfully how it seems that only Muslims are now striking a blow against the “system”. They mentioned how nasty Islam is to women and a few other such stock opinions, but on balance, seemed more admiring than critical, as if the really important thing was to strike against “the system”.

    Neither seemed to appreciate that the social studies curriculum I am obliged to teach was prepared by their fellow Alinskyites smart enough to take their master’s advice and cut their hair to infiltrate “the system” and put forth more of their ideals than mine. Neither seemed to appreciate the fighters they so admire would slit their aging Leftie throats in a New York minute should they fall into their hands. I thought of that, then thought of how Roger Garaudy wound up, and I think I know why the young Canuck in the picture (and too d–n many of my fellow young Yanks, or too d–n many other young Westerners, for that matter) are falling for the romance of raping Christian girls in Syria at this point.

    I will make it a point this year to, whenever possible, give the bad news on Islam (in the most professional and dispassionate tones I can muster, of course), and move my class along to the point where I can point out that the passionate rebels of yesteryear whom their textbook would have them admire were a vicious, bloodthirsty crew responsible for over 165,000,000 political deaths in the 20th century alone.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 9:53 pm

      REAL MARXISTS…those in Moscow…concluded in the 1930s that Islam was not communism, but a “World Trade Company of Believers” (mirovaia torgovaia kompaniia veruiushchikh) under Allah’s own leadership. Indeed, Muslim males are given monopolies of EVERYTHING by Allah.

      Their job is merely to reach out and TAKE whatever they want…women, booty, slaves, real estate, ‘honor’. This is the purpose of jihad. It’s a big, capitalist, hostile takeover.

      • Kepha says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 5:29 am

        Or, both Islam and real Marxism turn covetousness and theft into virtues, if practiced by the “right” people?

    • Wellington says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 10:03 pm

      Fine post as usual, Kepha. And good luck with pointing out to young folk what you indicated you’re going to point out.

      In the last few years of my teaching career (and espeically my last year) I took off both gloves where Islam is concerned. One specific statement I made an extra point of making was to convey to my classes that the term “radical Islam” is redundant. I said to the youth I taught that anyone fully comprehending said redundancy would find that all of the other pieces of the “Islamic puzzle” would come together with relative ease.

      Hope you and yours are doing well. Hope you had a memorable Thanksgiving and may you have a memorable Christmas season. Take care, pal.

  9. Wellington says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    Yet again from yet one more brain-washed youngin’ a statement that Islam is innocent and many others are guilty. Same old same old.

    Never mind that Islam divides the world into the dar-al-Islam and the dar-al-harb.

    Never mind that no religion produces anywhere near as many self-pitying followers as Islam does.

    Never mind that the horrendous destruction of life and property by Muslims over the centuries (e.g., what occurred in India) is a legacy that is deeply shameful and for which the Islamic world has never apologized..

    Never mind that Muslims want to be able to preach their religion to others but disallow (with bullying threats and lethal penalties aplenty) non-Musims from doing so.

    Never mind that in Islamic law a Muslim who converts to another religion is to be kiilled.

    Never mind that a true Golden Rule does not exist in Islam (here religions like Judaism, Christianity and Buddhism blow Islam away).

    Never mind that the Islamic world over the past half millennia or more has been a dismal, desultory place where almost nothing has been accomplished.

    Never mind that Israeli-Arab Muslims have far more freedoms than do Arab Muslims in any of the over twenty Arab Muslim nations.

    Never mind that the IDF goes out of its way, as do other Western militaries like those of the British and the Americans, to limit civilian casualties while one Muslim fighting force after another deliberately seeks civilian casualties.

    Never mind that the extreme dysfunctional nature of the Islamic world forces outside powers to intervene in order to contain Islamic rot from spreading elsewhere.

    Never mind that young Muslims aplenty throughout the world have indicated support for ISIS, an entity that slaughters women and children in droves as well as anyone who even remotely disagrees with them (thus demonstrating the psychopathic, intolerant and contorl-freak aspects deeply rooted in the Islamic mindset)

    Never mind that the kind of virtue Islam lauds is forced virtue and only where one has the freedom to be non-virtuous without threat of bodily harm or death can true virtue exist.

    Never mind that Muslims slaughter fellow Muslims in large numbers for not being properly Muslim enough (this has been going on, of course, from the seventh century onwards with no abatement in sight).

    Never mind that the Islamic world engaged in black slavery for many centuries before the Western, Judeo-Christian, world did and continued to engage in it even after the Western world realized the great wrong that is was and ended it (sometimes at great cost, no greater being the tragic American Civil War which, be of no doubt, was fought first and foremost over the issue of slavery, as Abraham Lincoln, the savior of the Union, himself said).

    Never mind that the Western world has profusely apologized for engaging in black African slavery while the Islamic world has never apologized for this. (I might add here that while I consider all Muslims confused human beings, I consider black Muslims, many of whom have a chip on their shoulder against Western Civilization, as extra confused.)

    Never mind that it was the Western world, and particularly Britain, both at land and at sea, which ended the Islamic African slave trade.

    Never mind that it is the Islamic world through its well-financed OIC, and its essentially bought and paid for United Nations, that has regularly tried to criminalize criticism of religion.

    Never mind that the Islamic world regularly denigrates other religions, most especially Judaism and Christianity, while still at the same time wanting criticism of Islam to be verbotten, thus revealing, as it does in so many other areas, a rank hypocrisy of the rankest kind.

    Never mind that women in the Islamic world are pure second-class human beings compared to men and that there is nothing, absolutely nothing, in Islamic doctrine, which contradicts this inherent and despicable distinction.

    Never mind….

    Never mind….

    Never mind….

    Had enough? I have too and what I’ve had enough of is Islam. Sick of it. All of it. Forever.

    • mortimer says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm

      Islam offers no good for the kafir.

      • Wellington says

        Dec 7, 2014 at 10:12 pm

        Damn right, mortimer. But for that matter, Islam offers no good for anyone, including Muslims. Lots of Muslims “getting” this is part of what is needed to finally put Islam on the trash heap of history.

        Yep, it’s not enough that most non-Muslims realize how rotten Islam is (though this is by far the larger part of the “problem” which needs to be solved). Lots of Muslims need to realize this too and that’s way safe houses and the like, whereby those who want to flee Islam will have a secure haven, are all part of the larger solution in the final defeat of the worst religion mankind has ever developed.

        • dlbrand says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 12:42 am

          Indeed, Well. Indeed.

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 2:51 pm

          Lots of Muslims “getting” this is part of what is needed to finally put Islam on the trash heap of history.

          Aha. I suspected this Great Brown Hope was buried in Wellington’s asymptotic tissues.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 9, 2014 at 5:33 pm

          So, let me get this right, voegelinian. In your approach to defeating what Islam intends for us all, you make no allowance whatsoever, argue for no effort whatsoever, do not include in your overall strategy whatsoever, to provide a way out for Muslims who realize their faith is a sham and who desperately want a way out but who are understandably afraid to make such an exit without help (particularly females). Is this correct? Have I stated your position fairly and accurately?

          Look, I think it’s possible to defeat the totalitarian ideology which is Islam without massive Muslim defection from this hideous religion, though, virtually mathematically here, it will be even harder, much harder in fact, to do so without such defection. Such defection is not even the primary part of my overall strategy for dealing with Islam. Not even close in fact. But it is an important secondary part of my strategy, one of many important secondary parts. Such defection should not be overlooked when dealing with what to do with man’s worst religion of all time.

          Your turn.

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 3:11 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          “So, let me get this right, voegelinian. In your approach to defeating what Islam intends for us all, you make no allowance whatsoever, argue for no effort whatsoever, do not include in your overall strategy whatsoever, to provide a way out for Muslims who realize their faith is a sham and who desperately want a way out but who are understandably afraid to make such an exit without help (particularly females). Is this correct? Have I stated your position fairly and accurately?”

          No; you’ve adverted to parts of your tissue of assumptions about the nature of the problem; many of which in an annoyingly complicated way I disagree with (one of which, for example, is that I don’t think it’s realistic to imagine — then to predicate policy upon the notion — that we can “defeat” what Islam intends for us all; only that we can manage it). Had you been paying closer attention to my argument, I wouldn’t have to go through the tedious process of clarifying points we’ve been through dozens of times already in dozens of different mini-discussions in dozens of comments threads throughout the years.

    • Bezelel says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 10:11 pm

      Wellington, Run for office.

  10. Jay Boo says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    John Maguire says “our people”
    — But does this Westerner clown speak fluent Arabic and can he truly relax and let his guard down when his Muslim friends no longer need him around?

  11. Mirren10 says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    Is that repulsive little toerag wearing a suicide vest ? Looks like it. Kaboom ! 🙂 (inshallah)

  12. Jay Boo says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    John Maguire mocks Christianity
    Islam has (no peace — no joy — no hope) only emptiness.
    No wonder there are no songs of joy in Islam.

    Hallelujah — Andre Rieu

    • Jay Boo says

      Dec 7, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      Also, I might add
      To Muslims who wish to mock the divinity Jesus Christ
      Why Muslim Dr. Nabeel Qureshi Converted to Christianity

    • Arthur says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 12:50 am

      Emptiness Indeed!

      Islamic ‘paradise’ is a description of lust and gluttony. The 72 ‘houri’ who are promised have no will or souls of their own. In the end, the Muslim in paradise has all physical desires met, but no spiritual connection with anyone. Just the opposite from Christian heaven, where the physical is left behind and believers are promised spiritual reunion. At least as far as I understand it.

      Islamic paradise, it seems to me, is quite literally a description of hell: separation from everyone that a person loves and surrounded by hordes of fake, soulless beings for eternity! Yikes!

      • Jae M says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 9:43 am

        That is exactly right, their carnal, fleshly desires are fulfilled in paradise This is truly an Antichrist religion yet so many of them do not know it. The religion makes it a huge sin to question Allah or to even read a bible for investigation. Thus keeping the “believers” in the dark. They are enslaved by this ideology that only brings death and heartbreak to everyone.

    • TH says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 9:39 am

      Exactly. They are not even allowed to have dogs, not to mention the dietic prhibitions and the prohibition of alcohol. In the Bible, wine is an essential element of any feast. It symbolsizes the joy of life and the blessing of God. Likewise, in Chritianity. Jesus was called a “friend of sinners and a drinker of wine”, plus in the Last Supper he wanted to remain with his followers in the form of bread and wine, bread symbolizing the everyday basic food, and wine joy and feasting. Jesus also shared in banquets. He obviously had a very balanced personality and ejoyed the good things of life. The Biblical symbol of heaven is that of a banquet, far removed from the sex maniac Mahommad’s idea of 72 virgins and boys.

  13. Kevin Walker says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 10:49 pm

    “He told Canadians to convert to Islam….”

    Screw you & your islam.

  14. Guy Macher says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    I am surprised drug gangs don’t wage war on Muslim barrows since Muslims are against drugs. Any gangbangers out there care to enlighten me?

    • Arthur says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 12:59 am

      Perhaps it is just about WHO the drugs are sold to? Selling (only) to kaffirs promotes their destruction, so wouldn’t that be in line with Islamic doctrine?

  15. Dave J says

    Dec 7, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    I’m working on a bacon flavored beer. The labels will feature various caricatures of Mo and it will be delivered to mosques by female dogs wearing alluring costumes (Infidos).

  16. No Fear says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 5:32 am

    “The answer is that we have accepted the true call of the prophets and messengers of God.”

    No, the answer is that you have been conned by a collectivist desert warlord who wanted his tribe of henchmen to subjugate all other tribes and so he designed his “religion” based on that idea.

  17. Kasey says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 7:55 am

    The “peace and tolerance” claim is all part of the taqiyya doctrine to protect and promote Islam in all its forms. Until the West finally realizes this, Islam’s progress towards dominance will continue. Their main books are no less than terrorist manuals with a bit of religion tossed in for convenience and deception.

  18. Porky The Crusader says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 10:33 am

    High Five!

  19. Crixus says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 1:23 pm

    What an arse!

    I’m trembling in my boots because some sad wee prick of a student decides to join the raving moon death cult!

    I give ISIS/IS or whatever they call themselves about 6 months before it implodes

    any ‘state’ stupid enough to start minting mainstream currency in silver and gold in the 21st century cannot possibly survive,

    Once the winter bites, the power goes off, the market for their sub standard crude dries up

    the laughing boys from the west who have joined the Jihad will start to have 2nd thoughts – a few icy months on the plains will do the trick

    Then we can roll the whole sorry lot of them back to the dark age

  20. Myxlplik says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 1:58 pm

    These Muslims are beheadding Christian children who refuse to convert to Islam. Muslims say they are going to exterminate us, Muslims say it is their religious duty to deny us the right to govern ourselves. Even as Muslims carry out their genocide, while quoting references to mainstream Islamic doctrine some still deny the Islamic purpose, and allow Muslims to immigrate and settle whole communities here, who in turn will turn into soldiers loyal to foreign powers when requested to murder their fellow citizens.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-behead-four-children-iraq-4767241

    • voegelinian says

      Dec 8, 2014 at 2:53 pm

      But we are told by our fellow Jihad Watchers, mortimer and Wellington, that most American Muslims are harmless (and anyway, Wellington hopes Muslims will change and help us overthrow Islam). So it’s all good.

      • Wellington says

        Dec 8, 2014 at 7:08 pm

        What I have said, voegelinian, which you misrepresented (what a shock!), is that most American Muslims are not themselves engaging in the direct violation of American law. This is an absolutely true statement which you will not be able to refute.

        As for your snarky comment that I hope Muslims will change “and help us overthrow Islam,” again you misrepresent what I have said. What I have asserted is that in the overall picture of defeating Islamic supremacist ambitions, one of many elements in this endeavor is aiding those Muslims who realize their faith is a lie but who are too afraid to leave it for fear of reprisal. In any overall and successful approach to consigning Islam to the trash heap of history, surely even you can see that a mass exodus from Islam by Muslims is a major feature here. I would argue that such is an absolutely essential feature of eventual success against the worst religion ever developed by man. Your approach would drive even the most committed Muslims, who want to be ex-Muslims, with no way out. I don’t wnat to do that. Yes, safeguards must be taken to insure sincerity of apostasy, but to deny virtually any Muslim the chance to be free of Islam, as your strategy would most surely do, is not wise. Indeed, it is stupid.

        • Bezelel says

          Dec 8, 2014 at 9:35 pm

          I was told that without a grain of sand to provide an irritant that a pearl would never develop.

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 9, 2014 at 4:27 pm

          “What I have said, voegelinian, which you misrepresented (what a shock!), is that most American Muslims are not themselves engaging in the direct violation of American law. ”

          Your emphasis on that logically presupposes they are lacking in the type of harm that would reasonably legitimize us taking pre-emptive action to prevent it. As I’ve noted multiple times now, the Wellingtonian Thesis seems predicated upon a certain definition of what the problem — what the nature of the harm — is, posed by Muslims, against which we are to take measures to defend our societies.

          This predication seemingly inherent to the Wellingtonian Thesis ostensibly depends upon a minimization of the threat of the stealth jihad (and its necessary corollary, the False Moderate); however, with an adjustment in a different place in the structure of the Thesis, he can aver, with plausibly (read: technically) correct logic, that he is not minimizing the stealth jihad threat at all — he is actually only interpreting the nature of the threat differently; and so no overt minimization is required to have the same effect.

        • Wellington says

          Dec 9, 2014 at 5:19 pm

          To voegelinian: Huh?. To Bezelel:: Clever.

        • Bezelel says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 9:32 am

          P.S. Life’s a Beach !!! he he

        • voegelinian says

          Dec 10, 2014 at 2:14 pm

          Wellington, Take my two paragraphs apart sentence by sentence and parse it out. I know you’re capable of it.

  21. St. Croix says

    Dec 8, 2014 at 10:21 pm

    The muslim population in Canada grew from 2% of pop. to 3.2% from 2001 to 2011. That is an 82% increase. Still we are far behind France (7.5%) and other European nations.* As their muslim population grew the problems grew within the country to the point now of whole areas of France or even Paris being “off limits” to non-muslims. North Americans wake up! Stop allowing muslims in! We have the advantage of seeing what the European immigration experiment is to-date: a bona fide disaster and getting worse by the minute.

    In coverage on this story I am seeing almost all Canadians commenting with outrage. Talking to people in my area it seems many are starting to wake up on the muslim issue. At least middle class and working class regular folks. Not the professeurs and university contingent. Our ancestors here were hardy survivors and in many areas those roots are within living memory. I come from an area where there were no roads until the 1960’s (when I was born). If I were a muslim living in rural Canada right now I would be starting to feel uneasy at this point. I don’t think anyone is going out to start lynching muslims; at least not yet. However there are huge numbers of politically incorrect Canadians who don’t like being told what to do by “foreigners” and most of the ones I know have a collection of hunting rifles. Mostly used for hunting. Mostly.

    The idea of these muslims spreading their infection all over the globe is hideous and outrageous to normal people. However the politicians are probably going to be the last to know what the real game is here. Justin Trudeau will probably be the last of the last to find out.

    *reference on immigration: Muslim Immigration Fuels the Terrorist Threat to Canada by economist Patrick Grady: http://www.global-economics.ca/immigration_muslim.htm

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