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42% of French believe media shouldn’t publish Muhammad cartoons

Jan 19, 2015 11:16 pm By Robert Spencer

charlie hebdo post massacreThis is an odd article, since it leads off with “a French newspaper shows that the majority of the country’s citizens are in favor of greater limitations on freedom of speech,” but then says that 42% of French citizens believe that newspapers should publish cartoons of Muhammad, and 50% believe in limits on free speech. Neither 42% nor 50% are a majority, but in any case they’re significant percentages. Even if one assumes that all the Muslims in France — 10% of the total population — support free speech restrictions, this shows that significant numbers of non-Muslims do as well. They have, in other words, capitulated, and are ready to be conquered and subjugated.

“Survey Shows French Oppose Mohammed Cartoons,” Telesur, January 18, 2015:

A French newspaper shows that the majority of the country’s citizens are in favor of greater limitations on freedom of speech.

A survey released Sunday revealed that 42 percent of French people believe the media should avoid publishing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. Approximately 50 percent of those polled also expressed their support for limiting freedom of expression on the internet, on social media networks, according to a poll for the weekly publication, Le Journal du Dimanche.

However, Charlie Hebdo’s Chief Editor Gerard Blard told NBC’s “Meet the Press,” “Every time we draw a cartoon of Mohammed, every time we draw a cartoon of prophets, every time we draw a cartoon of God, we defend the freedom of religion.”

He’s right. Because if you can’t deviate from the line of those in power, that cuts against not only blasphemers, but those with differing religious views.

Eighty percent also said they support revoking the citizenship of dual nationals convicted of terrorism in France. Nearly 70 percent also support banning French citizens’ the right to return if they are suspected of having fought for jihadists abroad. Sixty-eight percent are inclined to prevent French citizens suspected of traveling to areas controlled by alleged terrorists groups.

The survey comes after the murder of 12 people at the offices of the newspaper, Charlie Hebdo, Jan. 7, 2015.

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  1. Jack Holan says

    Jan 19, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    I could see the NYT making the assertion that the “majority” believes because the NYT believes the majority want limitations on the printing of controversial material My point no country has a monopoly on shady statistics
    I think for a limited time, shock value and to make a point all newspapers in the EU should print one cartoon a day. It will become so exasperating that the street crowed will eventually run out of steam or their own leaders will put them down.

    • EvenSo says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 4:37 am

      Unfortunately Ireland has blasphemy laws and immediately after the Charlie Hebdo massacre one of the members of the murderous religion of thugs was being interviewed on radio and he stated that he would report anyone, newspaper, magazine or TV station to the Gardi (Irish police) and make sure that the offender was prosecuted to the fullest extent etc threat….etc threat……

      • EvenSo says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 4:41 am

        So ….. To continue

        NO CARTOONS IN IRELAND

        • Charli Main says

          Jan 20, 2015 at 5:12 am

          A clandestine poster campaign should do the trick. Posters of the mass murdering, child rapist mohammed ( PSUH ) on every wall of Irish cities would do nicely.
          Unfortunately, anti Jihadists don´t have the kind of money that this kind of action takes.
          Instead of pandering to Muslims we should rub the filth of Islam in Muslim faces at every opportunity

      • Spot On says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 8:29 am

        Why am I not surprised that Ireland would have a blasphemy law to protect Muslims.

      • laoch says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 11:07 am

        As an Irish person I cant get over the way most Irish people are letting Muslim Supermacisms are just in the country a couple of decides and are yet tilling us how to live your lives and what to read including cartoons . So much for the fighting Irish . And oready there have been a couple who have died in Jihad terrorism in other countries. I they should be stripped of there passport.

        • voegelinian says

          Jan 21, 2015 at 2:01 pm

          “Yes I thought the Irish would not take this crap”

          Why did you think that? Apparently because you, like so many in the Counter-Jihad, underestimate the depth and breadth of the PC MC worldview that has, over the past century or so (give or take a decade or two), become dominantly fashionable throughout the entire West.

        • voegelinian says

          Jan 21, 2015 at 2:02 pm

          “the PC MC worldview that has, over the past century or so (give or take a decade or two), become dominantly fashionable throughout the entire West.”

          I left out a rather crucial little “half” there; should be:

          “the PC MC worldview that has, over the past HALF century or so (give or take a decade or two), become dominantly fashionable throughout the entire West.”

    • Alissa says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 7:00 am

      I don’t believe those statistics for one second.

      • Peggy says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:38 pm

        I don’t either. You can manipulate any poll to show what you want it to show.
        Who was surveyed? Which demgraphic? How many people surveyed?
        Once we know these statistics we can then maybe believe their statitstics.

  2. tilda says

    Jan 19, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Not sure what to make of this.

    It says elsewhere online that over 1,000 French adults were sampled in this survey.

    Not a huge sample, and I wonder whether it was an online survey. (Easy to vote multiple times in online surveys.)

    Need more information about the survey process itself before drawing any inferences from the reported results. Could be just more meaningless online newspaper noise.

    Source for sample size is this link: http://time.com/3672921/charlie-hebdo-prophet-muhammad-muslim-cartoon-poll/

    • katnis says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 12:31 am

      I had the same thought. I’m not buying it.

    • Aardvark says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 5:13 am

      Never forget that 93 percent of the figures you read on the internet are just made up…

      • Peggy says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:39 pm

        Good one.

    • Alissa says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 7:02 am

      So true. Statistics are only as reliable as the source compiling them. For all we know the survey was conducted in a no-go zone.

    • Spot On says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 8:31 am

      The French 42% is strikingly similar to our 40-45% that is always on the liberal side of things.

  3. gravenimage says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:10 am

    42% of French believe media shouldn’t publish Muhammad cartoons
    ………………………….

    If these figures are accurate, then all too many French say “Je Ne Suis Charlie”—including, I’m sure, virtually all Muslims.

    If the sample was that small, though, we can hope that support for freedom of speech in La Belle France is higher than this appalling poll implies.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 1:09 am

      POSTING/PROMOTING CARTOONS ARE SYMBOLS OF COWARDNESS,PSYCH DISORDER ,PROMOTING/PROVOCATION THE PUBLIC VIOLENCE,WEAKNESS OF DEBATING MUSLIM WITH LACK OF LOGICAL & TRUSTFUL EVIDENCE,HATE OF RELIGION ,I THINK CONTINUES ELECTRICAL SHOCK (HEAD)MAKE THEM TO GOOD CHARACTERS ,AS A SOCIAL HUMAN EVERY ONE HAS RESPONSIBLE TO PROTECT HUMANITY & PEACE.MUSLIMS EVER CREATED RELIGIOUS PERSON CARTOON & FILM ,WE DEBATE PEACEFULLY WITH OTHER RELIGION BASED ON THEIR RELIGIOUS SCRIPT,MY CHALLENGE TO NON MUSLIM DEBATE MUSLIM WITH VALID EVIDENCE ,DARE DEBATE WITH THEM FACE TO FACE,PLZ AVOID BAD WORDS LIKE F & S……

      PLZ ALL OF U SAYS WITH ME ” I HATE MAKING CARTOON FOR RELIGIOUS RESPECTED PERSON “

      • Salome says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 1:46 am

        If you are as peaceful as you claim, kindly stop shouting.

      • Jax Tolmen says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 2:35 am

        I’ll debate with you, and since you made the opening statement – allow me to retort.
        Prove, with evidence – that God exists and that the Quran is the irrefutable word of God. And no, “but Muhammed the Paedophile said it!” isn’t evidence.

        Until you can prove that, scientifically and beyond a shadow of a doubt – I’ll continue to mock and ridicule your idiotic beliefs to my hearts content. To me – you are just someone who adheres to a perverse ideal, like a Nazi or Communist and you and your beliefs deserve no special protection.

        To other Jihadwatch commenters – particularly the religious among you – please forgive me for playing the proof card, it is not my intention to belittle your beliefs. But that’s a choice I make as a free man, not because I feel bound to do so by some fear of committing blasphemy.

      • Keith says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 2:43 am

        Shabeer, I completely agree with you that people should not draw cartoons of your prophet Mohammed and we should completely stop saying things that insult Islam. Of course in the spirit of not wanting to offend other peoples sensibilities you muslims will look to the Qur’an, Hadith and Sira and ban it world wide as a lot of non muslims feel very offended that there are numerous calls for the death, rape, enslavement, and subjugation of non believers. I do understand that this is nothing personal on your part but I am really offended that a religion, especially one that calls itself the Religion of Peace, could be so violently against my continued existence and freedom to choose whether I believe in a god whether he is called Jehovah, God, Allah or any other name that people choose to call him. I look forward to the co-operation of all muslims in this mutually beneficial and peaceful endeavour. Your follow up comments are more than welcome.

        • Ren says

          Jan 20, 2015 at 4:45 pm

          @Keith

          “…ban islam world wide as a lot of non muslims feel very offended that there are numerous calls for the death, rape, enslavement, and subjugation of non believers.”

          Very well said… never thought of that 😉

        • voegelinian says

          Jan 21, 2015 at 2:09 pm

          Not to mention that the Koran calls those who believe in the Son of God “filthy” (najis) — cf. Koran 9:28-33 (supplemented — as Muslims so supplement — with the tafsir exegesis).

      • Champ says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 3:10 am

        I loooove cartoons and I hate evil islam …and that’s the truth!

        “Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” — Romans 12:9

      • EvenSo says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 4:53 am

        Shaver – please explain how you know that the cartoons/pictures are depictions of Mohammed and not just some random person, you seem to be able to recognise immediately that the individual is a.) a moslim b.) a jihadist a d c.) Mohammed. Do you have pictures of him? Statues? To make him so easily recognisable or people could be getting slaughtered for merely drawing a picture of their unwashe, unshaven (morning after the night before) husband/brother!

      • Alissa says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 6:57 am

        Hey Shabby, like I said before…3 words….YOU’RE AN IDIOT.

      • bernie says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 7:03 am

        Shabeer: I agree that Charlie Hebdo published some cartoons which were very offensive not only to Muslims, but also to Christians, Jews, Buddhists and other faiths. They had one cover which read, “Down with ALL religions.”

        So, please explain to me why, if Muslims always peacefully protest and debate (as you seem to be claiming), there are crazed Muslim mobs in Niger who are burning down dozens of churches, and attacking, raping, robbing and looting Christians, because of some cartoons which militant ATHEISTS made in France?

        If you’re looking to debate religious issues intelligently, there are some great Christian apologists, such as David Wood (check out his videos on youtube and elsewhere). There are also some good apologists of other faiths (Jewish, Sikh, HIndus…) and some decent, respectful atheist ones too, such as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the late Christopher Hitchens.

      • duh_swami says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:46 am

        Speaking of psychiatric disorders Shabeer, how are you today? Frustrated and upset as always that kuffar don’t buy your snake oil?
        I remember the good old days Shabeer, when IWTK, Kaser, Ming the Merciless, NoDhinni, and other kuffar pommeled you severely about the head and shoulders, causing you to run away. You do try really hard to defend evil, but after all your efforts, Islam is still evil.
        Ming used to post your stuff in the Mongo Gazette to give the people of Mongo something to laugh about. Now they mostly laugh at Reza Aslan and Alan Colmes, or at least that’s what Ming told me..

        • zebo says

          Jan 20, 2015 at 1:48 pm

          shabeer is the typical muslim hipocritter trying to project faillures of islam and muslim people on others.
          1)There is not a single theory that drawing cartoon is a psychic disorder but on the other side believing that a good god has made a childraping enslaver and massmurderer his prophet is a sign of insanity .
          Believing that a god who chose the worst human
          being that has lived in the 7th century as prophet is a good god is the next insanity.
          At that time Allah had the chance to choose from 300 mio human beings and he chose the worst one to become his prophet!
          2) he calls others cowards but almost never dare to keep up a conversation here.Hit&Run post is the only thing he can.
          Why?
          He has no ammo.
          There is no logic in claiming that a massmurdering childraper is the most perfect human being or that a cruel perverted sadistic allah is a good god.
          There is no logic in claiming that quran cannot be falsified while everyone can falsify the quran by replacing a texts from the quran with a manual for smartphones
          or by simply tearing some sides out of the quran.

          There is no logic in claming allah is god(=perfect=never makes mistakes=contradictions impossible) when abrogation exists in quran.

          There is no logic in quran is gods word when there are satanic verses inside the quran, except allah is satan.

          Islam is against reality,empathy and against reason&logic and against integrit=against all things that are needed for humans living in peace..

          i guess shabeer is a good guy and just trying to protect his perfect muslim world but
          he has more problems to keep up this fantasy.

      • Peggy says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        It is you Muslims who come from the position of weakness when debating this subject. If you had good arguments you wouldn’t have to resort to violence.
        Staying in this evil barbaric religion is proof of mental disorder.

  4. Ren says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:18 am

    The question is : why should religion be above all criticism?
    We can basically criticize all matters, people won’t mind. But when it comes to religion, people get so sensitive! What’s that deeply sacred & particular effect religion has over people’s mind? I don’t get it…

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 1:55 am

      BROTHER CRITICISM & HATING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS,EVERY HUMAN HAVE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ANY IDEOLOGY/RELIGION,BEC’S ALL OF US R FREE HUMAN ,EVERY HUMAN HAS THEIR OWN CHOICE/OPINION,THERE TWO CRITICIZE RELIGION

      1.MORAL/LEGAL WAYS OF CRITICISM
      2.IMMORAL/ILLEGAL WAY OF CRITICISM

      EVERY MOSQUE AROUND WORLD OPEN FOR NON MUSLIM FOR LEARNING/CRITICIZING ISLAM WITH VALID EVIDENCE FROM ITS AUTHORITY,EVERY MUSLIM HAS RESPONSIBLE TO ANSWERING NON MUSLIM ARGUMENTS,I SAY ISIS,BOKO HARAM,TALIBAN,CRIMINALS,TERRORIST NOT THE AUTHORITY OF ISLAM,BEC’S ,
      Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
      Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”

      HERE PROPHET S SAYS 2 AUTHORITY OF ISLAM UP TO THE END OF WORLD the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet

      4: 59. O you who believe! Obey Allâh and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allâh and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allâh and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.
      4: 69. And whoso obeys Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn, the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!

      BUT TODAY 95% OF NON MUSLIM CRITICIZING WRONG WAY,BEC’S THEY EVER CONFIDENCE DEBATING MUSLIM WITH THEIR SCRIPTURES ,THEY HAVE NO VALUABLE EVIDENCE FROM THE ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES,ANY WAY WANT TO EXPRESS THEIR HATE OF ISLAM THROUGH THE WORLD & THEY WANT TO STOP MASS ISLAMISATION AROUND THE WORLD,SO THEY SPREADING THEIR HATE THROUGH MEDIA LIKE BAD WORD AGAINST RELIGIOUS RESPECTED PERSON,MAKING CARTOON.THE CONNECTING SOME BRAIN DEAD PPL(ISIS,TALIBAN & BOKO) ACTIVITIES TO ISLAM,I THING THESE PPL(ISIS,TALIBAN & BOKO) MOST PROBABLY WORKING FOR THEM,THEY R LABORS OF MOSAD & WEST .CAN U EVER SEES DR.ZAKIR NAIK OR OTHER ISLAMIC SCHOLAR SAYS ” CHRISTIAN TERRORIST HITLER KILLED 6 MILLION PPL,PLZ LEAVE CHRISTIANITY ” LIKE WW1,WW2,REVOLUTIONS,CRUSADES,IMPERIALISM,COLONIALISM,HIROSHIMA & NAGAZAKI IS ENOUGH FOR CRITICIZING CHRISTIANITY ,BUT WE MUSLIM NOT A BRAIN DEAD FOOL LIKE SPENCER,SINNA,KHAN,GALLER,WOOD,WILD,SAM,RAYMOUND…

      • efoc says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 2:39 am

        Shabeer,

        If you’re going to write trash, please press the caps lock key so you aren’t shouting. Better yet, don’t write it and bugger off.

        Good luck attempting to prove Hitler was a Christian. His ideology, words and actions show he was anything but.

      • Jax Tolmen says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 am

        I don’t think you understand criticism, nor can you read properly. Robert Spencer and everyone else you have mentioned frequently reference the Quran and Sunnah when criticising your religion.

        If you’re under the impression that this constitutes hate – than I believe you have a shortage of critical thinking skills. ISIS and other terrorist groups are the creation of Mossad? This seems to be a common Muslim deflection of RESPONSIBILITY – the responsibility of you and your peers have to stop these terrorists since they are YOUR CREATION.

        I don’t know why you bring up passages in the Quran and Sunnah – although it seems you are trying to prove the scriptures are facts. They’re not. I can write “you’re a moron” in a book, but that doesn’t make it true. Even though it is, because EVIDENCE backs up that statement.

        Also, explain to me why the actions of Muslims should not be attributed to the fact that they’re…Muslim. What idiots like you fail to understand is that the West does not identify people solely by what beliefs they happen to hold, but we are aware that those beliefs can influence them to commit heinous acts.

        You bring up a list of historical events committed by Christians as some kind of rebuttal or evidence that Christians are just as bad or worse than Muslims. This is a logical fallacy, because none of those acts were inspired purely by the word of God – unlike the very real, modern terrorists that are MUSLIM and reference the Quran when they’re lopping off heads.

        Not that I really feel inclined to validate your asinine list, but I can point out some flaws :

        Hitler – Not inspired by the Bible when committing his atrocities. Also, are you forgetting that his greatest allies were Muslims? Probably should learn to read so you can brush up on some history. I could argue that it was more of a Muslim act of genocide, since your people were the original aggressors against the Jews. By the way – what’s your opinion on Israel? Also – Armenian genocide.

        WW1 and WW2 – had absolutely nothing to do with religion, or religious turmoil. Comparing two international secular conflicts to terrorism is ludicrous. They were conflicts fought by soverign nations over political differences – The Ottoman Empire being one of the participants in the first war. I don’t understand how you could be so naive to bring up these Wars for arbitrary reasons, and then fail to see the irony that both had sizeable Muslim participation. Again, please learn how to read.

        Revolutions – Which one? They also were not a matter of religion, and were about establishing liberty in most cases. Considering the backwards state of the Muslim world – maybe the Revolutions should inspire you to move forward since you are clearly incapable of doing it yourselves. Let’s not forget that those same Revolutions you mention also lead to the USA – the most powerful nation in the world being birthed. What’s wrong with that exactly? The fact that the USA is not a Muslim country?

        Crusades – response to Muslim imperialism and colonialism.

        Imperialism & Colonialism – Unlike Muhammed, Jesus did not personally lead military campaigns of expansion. I’d say that the irony is lost on you.

        Nagasaki – Act of war, not terrorism. Considering the advent and usage of nuclear weapons was an inevitability of the War, it doesn’t really count. Pakistan also possesses nuclear weapons, so I fail to see your point.

        Considering you seem to have a poor grasp of anything resembling critical thought or basic language skills – I suggest you refrain from calling others brain dead idiots, you brain dead idiot.

      • Keith says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 3:21 am

        Shabeer,

        I have read the two verses you have quoted to show that Islam is a peaceful religion, please can you inform us all whether these verses were passed on before or after the following taking into account verse 2:106

        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”

        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

        As you say you are happy for people to criticise Islam but not insult it, well now explain how Islam can be criticised in a way that cannot be taken as offensive by muslims. After all doesn’t the Qur’an state that all knowledge that is required is in the Qur’an?

        If Islam is really a religion of peace tell me what are YOU doing to stop all those violent terrorists are doing in the name of Islam?

      • Angemon says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 5:12 am

        And, of course, shabeer doesn’t give any example of “moral” criticism of islam – I’m betting because at the slightest hint of criticism he’ll shout “RACIZM!!! HATE SPCEEH!!! IZLAMFOBYC!!!”

        “CAN U EVER SEES DR.ZAKIR NAIK”

        Lol! That guy is a nonsense spouting coward too afraid of debating Christian apologists:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk5q9TeGo14

        “PLZ LEAVE CHRISTIANITY ” LIKE WW1,WW2,REVOLUTIONS,CRUSADES,IMPERIALISM,COLONIALISM,HIROSHIMA & NAGAZAKI IS ENOUGH FOR CRITICIZING CHRISTIANITY”

        Huh? What does that have to do with Christianity? Notice that shabeer tells us that people like ISIS and the taliban, who commit atrocities and quote from the quran to justify them, have nothing to do with islam, but he “criticizes” Christianity (because, you know, “REVOLUTIONS” are apparently a Christian thing, with all that arab spring and stuff) by listing some historical events that have little, if anything, to do with Christianity. For example, 7th century arabs conquered the middle east and north africa – that’s imperialism, and justified by the quran. The ottoman empire, a muslim power, tried to conquer Europe – more quran-justified imperialism – and was dismantled after its defeat in WWI, where they sided with the germans.

        I think shabeer should consider investing in glasses – or learn to increase font size in his browser…

        • Aardvark says

          Jan 20, 2015 at 5:29 am

          You are wasting your time arguing logically with this guy; he’s too stupid to understand what you’re saying.

          The average IQ in civilised Western countries is around the 100 mark, but in mohammedan countries it’s a good twenty points lower, probably due to first-cousin marriages. And don’t forget that half of the population is below the average…

          So thanks mainly to Islam, Shabeer probably comes in around the mid seventies…

          There’s a list of IQs by country here: http://alturl.com/u2o23

      • cs says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 5:40 am

        Your info is untrue, if BOB, out BOB, get into any of this Madrassas, and tell in there, all the content he has, he may not come out there (if he does come out), in the same way he got inside.

        • cs says

          Jan 20, 2015 at 5:41 am

          TYPO: gets*

      • Alissa says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 7:38 am

        As usual in the spirit of islam you are a liar just like Satan, the father of lies. I’m sure you will continue to vomit on this website until your welfare cheque comes in the mail. Then you’ll go buy some halal meat, paid for by the government. On your way to the store you will stand around with your useless brothers and shout insults at the very people that allowed you in their country and gave you a home. After a while you will hang around a mall waiting for a white twelve year old to pounce on and use her and abuse her for your own disgusting desires. When you’re finished with her you’ll accidentally on purpose trip some handicapped or elderly person on the way back to your government provided home to impregnate your 4 useless wives. Don’t you worry Shabby, retribution will come your way. Then you’ll be in satan’s big tent with your 72 virgins….or is that one 72 year old virgin.

    • voegelinian says

      Jan 21, 2015 at 2:33 pm

      ” I don’t get it…”

      Well, free-wheeling, insouciantly secular modern West may have forgotten what for many can only be recovered by reading such books as, for example, just for starters, The Sacred and the Profane by Mircea Eliade, or The Idea of the Holy by Rudolf Otto, or some various works by the great scholar of Mesopotamian religions, Thorkild Jacobsen.

      However, it cuts both ways: pre-modern man needs to accept a value near and dear to the heart of modern man: namely, that however much we may acquaint ourselves with an appreciation for the importance of the sacred, and however much we may decide to show respect for the followers of any religion, that respect on our part is only freely given — for, any respect thereof should always remain a mere obligation in the marketplace of ideas which any individual or group is free to take or leave as they see fit without any need to explain themselves; and such obligation should never be translated into laws that would punish anyone with burdens on their life or career (such as, for example, monetary fines) nor with limitations on their personal freedom (such as, for example, imprisonment), nor physical punishments. Not only should there never be laws that punish disrespect for religion; but there should be laws to punish those who would try to use physical coercion or intimidation, or social ostracism that has the effect of interfering with a person’s life, livelihood, or career.

      Islam not only is utterly devoid of a culture that could grasp all this; it (unlike all other religious traditions, by the way) positively entails a culture hostile to such a point of view.

      • voegelinian says

        Jan 21, 2015 at 2:35 pm

        slight addition (in bold) for clarification:

        “but there should be laws to punish those who, in the interest of trying to unofficially enforce respect for religion would try to use physical coercion or intimidation, or social ostracism that has the effect of interfering with a person’s life, livelihood, or career.

  5. jay says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:18 am

    Sounds like a study that has been touched by the CAIR fairy.

  6. Sad American says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:28 am

    I am sad, because the preconditioning of the main stream media and the survey pundits is ginning up again the brainwashing of the masses to accept ever increasing amounts of control, until everyone accepts even thought control? (Look up neurotransmission and neurocloud) Cannot we recognize the trend?

    This article fits the typical brainwashing technique… show that the majority of the population wants something, it is desirable and a goal to seek. What could be more desirable than everyone getting along? Hug hug.

    The part not being mentioned is “you are powerless, you must go along, if you don’t go along, you are bad, you are an outcast, you do not fit in.”

    And sorry to say 90% of us accept the lies and comply. Why are we surprised when things keep getting worse?

  7. shabeer_hassan says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:32 am

    TRUTH REVILED MOSSAD WERE BEHIND THE PARIS ATTACKS

    Rothschild Email: “Mossad Were Behind The Paris Attacks” A leaked email from Madame Rothschild in which she says that the Paris Attacks at Charlie Hebdo were “a Mossad operation”. The email was sent to an editor of a website called Darkmoon.me on Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:56 AM.

    “Muslims had nothing to do with the Paris Attacks” – it is claimed. The email below is the exact copy sent allegedly from Madame Rotchschild to Lasha Darkmoon of Darkmoon.me:
    Dear Lasha,

    I won’t write to the Comments section of your website, as you suggest, because I cannot help feeling that it is juvenile to do so. But this I will say most emphatically, based on my private sources, for as you know, I am a resident of France and have many friends in high places in Paris and elsewhere: not only do I believe that the Paris circus was not done by the Muslims, I actually know for a certainty that it was not.

    Muslims had nothing—I repeat, nothing—whatever to do with the carnage that took place in Paris last week.

    A few young ladies whom I know and who are active in the Palestinian movement—with your own countryman, George Galloway, I believe—explained everything to me two days ago. This whole event was organized in Brussels. Even Ahmed Merabet, the first French policeman purportedly shot dead, is actually not a Muslim at all: his real name is Avigdor, and his brother’s name is Maloch, recently changed to Melek—all of them crypto-Jews in the service of Israeli intelligence, i.e., Mossad agents.

    Avigdor is in Buenos Aires right now, and will remain there for six years, a standard operating procedure with those deep in Israeli psyops. After this he will resurface with a new identity, by which time of course the populace will have forgotten all about the Paris attacks.

    Remember Gladio? Well, if you don’t, you don’t have to—as you are living through it right now.

    Lasha, I am well known for being able to chatter on endlessly and to write even at greater length, so this is all for now. I will write you an email sometimes in March when I return to France and the UK from Sydney. Hopefully, there will be no more pussyfooting around, and we can sit down and enjoy a glass of wine together, as befits two queens: one a drama queen (me), the other a mystery queen (you). 🙂
    That’s all, dear. Bye for now and keep well. I’ve missed you.

    Ellie K

    P.S. Regarding the Paris farce. I forgot to mention the amount such players get paid. It is 666,000 euros or dollars, depending on the country the event is staged in. The amount may seem random and insignificant to you, but once you know how important numerology and signs are to the Kabalistic Jews, things begin to make sense.

    Moreover, the number SIX features again, you will notice, as that is the number of years during which the commandos carrying out the operation are not allowed to resurface. They have to lie low for six years, living lives of impeccable respectability under their newly invented personas. When they finally emerge into the full light of day, it is never in the country where they performed their original theatrics.

    Thus Avigdor, the ”hero” of the Paris op, and all the rest of his accomplices in crime, will start a new life elsewhere: with a new identity, new papers, a new passport—even a nice new house provided. Everything else will be given to these operatives to enable them to make a fresh start in life, including a wife or partner who is also an undercover agent. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is left to chance.

    – See more at: FFGGGhttp://yournewswire.com/rothschild-email-mossad-were-behind-the-paris-attacks/#sthash.zUyanQqa.dpuf

    • Jack Holan says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 1:03 am

      I knew the loon George Galloway would eventually rear his tentacles and spew the most unbelievable conspiracy for a thinking person to wrap their head around but that is not the crowd he is appealing too. All this, at the moment, is based upon heresy from one posting. I hope that Former Mayor Galloway hasn’t completely lost his mind whereby he may have to be picked up for his own safety. The claims that he makes are accusations similar to the ones by conspiracy theorists after 9/11 that it was the JEWS. Well I am not going to waste my time trying to defeat straw arguments. This must be rather clear for just about anyone who sadly witnessed the events via TV and unfortunately we do have lunatic demagogues who try to inflame sectors of the population to react with violence towards a group of people whom are themselves a victim in this event

    • Wellington says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 1:08 am

      There seems, shabeer, no level of idiocy and calumny that you are incapable of sinking to.

      • Myxlplik says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:23 am

        LOL

    • Chabuco says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 2:11 am

      The Rothschild, the Illuminati…. Of course, it was all of them in concert with the Jooooooooooz, Jim Jones, Heaven’s Gate, Elvis Presley and zombie Kennedy, it was all an inside job… also Bush! All brainstormed and concocted this operation from Area-51. Don’cha know!?

      Damned Pedohammedans, you sick mofos, you sick, demented and twisted pedophile worshippers! Everywhere you are on earth you bring nothing but trouble, sooner or later, whether is Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East, the Balkans… or Argentina. You bigoted, intolerant and pathological hateful sick fucks always have to defecate on everything and everyone! You will never be happy until every country on earth resembles dumps like Porkistan, KSA, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Yemen… etc. Oh and talking about Yemen, yeah… without oil, excavated by Westerners/non-Muslims. All countries, starting with Saudi Arabia would resemble that failed-state dump known as Yemen, but you wouldn’t know, you are all as self-aware as a roll of bacon.

      You pedophile worshippers ae a drain on everyone, every society on earth, you bring darkness to where there’s light, you bring terror to where there’s peace. There’s no hope for/with you. definitely not.

    • efoc says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 2:43 am

      Another demented comment from Shabeer. He’s making an unhealthy habit of it.

    • Jax Tolmen says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 3:29 am

      I don’t even know where to begin with this, it’s so pathetically stupid that it confounds me.

      1) Lasha Darkmoon? What? Who/what is that? Even as far as fake names go, that’s pretty stupid. I perused her/he/it’s site and found a lot of laughably idiotic Jew conspiracies, frequent references to the “New World Order” and the Illuminati. After reading through some of that garbage, it has become blindingly obvious where you get your idiotic beliefs from. This sort of reinforces the correlation between Muslim’s and anti – Semitic conspiracy theories.

      2)Rothschild? Seriously? Are you a complete idiot, or just incredibly gullible?

      3)Even if this email was real, which I doubt (where’s the proof?) – just because the person may or may not have the last name “Rothschild” has no bearing on the validity of the fallacious statements, speculative conclusions and circular logic contained within the alleged “email.”

      4)If this “Rothschild” actually exists – why does she speak to some Jew hating, moronic illiterate person who goes by the name Darkmoon? Really? Why not anyone else, and why is it that this Darkmoon person (who I have never heard of) was chosen to reveal such “electrifying” news to the world?

      5)What kind of person calls this kind of atrocity “electrifying”?

      You make me sick, and weep for the future of humanity. Please don’t breed.

      • roger woodhouse says

        Jan 21, 2015 at 2:32 am

        Shakbeer must be an ‘lslamic scholar ‘Says it all really

    • Aardvark says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 6:01 am

      Shabeer is obviously several people – this post was not written by the moron who wrote the semi-literate ones all in capitals above!. I suspect the ‘anti-islamophobia’ branch of the Saudi government is playing troll again.

      Average Saudi IQ, by the way, is 83.

      • duh_swami says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 10:55 am

        I know Shabeer from another forum…he copy pastes almost everything..He has been kicked off other sites for his long winded, copy paste jobs, amounting to spam.

    • Champ says

      Jan 20, 2015 at 9:41 pm

      shabeer_hassan is one scary dude …myyy goodness!

      • Champ says

        Jan 20, 2015 at 9:42 pm

        …in a scary clown sort-of-way! 😀

    • voegelinian says

      Jan 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      Wow; this “shabeer hassan” character is a remarkably gibbering monkey (which is saying a lot, given that his normal baseline of being a Muslim already situates him at the nadir).

  8. Chabuco says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 1:45 am

    Telesur is The ALBAñal’s RT. Don’t believe anything they spew and regurgitate. If you do, you’d believe the U.S. was behind the earthquake in Haiti and other lunatic conspiracy theories -with the approval of the Kremlin-. Is in their utmost convenience to trash free speech, of course, since the ALBAñal doesn’t believe in it and its members actively censor it. Never link to this piece of propaganda and disinformation network, Robert! You don’t do it with RT, Sputnik, Itar-tass… etc, you shouldn’t do it with Telecaca either.

  9. Januk36 says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 2:04 am

    I probably found the survey the article refers to:

    http://cdn-lejdd.ladmedia.fr/var/lejdd/storage/images/media/images/sondage28/10850228-1-fre-FR/Sondage.jpg

    57% believe that cartoons should be published NOT MATTER WHAT MUSLIMS may think.

    42% are “think twice” and may include those who oppose it as the headline says.

  10. cs says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 4:47 am

    FRANCE THE SUBMISSIVE DHIMMI NATION THAT BOWS TO MOHAMMED (PBUH).
    When the USA will help them again, and invade through Normandy and Marseilles?

  11. Jen says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 5:41 am

    A piece written by this Muslim deceiver called Mehdi Hasan. Whenever non-Muslims try to oppose the extreme ideology of Islam, they get labelled an “extremist” of some sort, or it’s implied that they’re irrational and have a phobia. Could these people be any more ridiculous? No shame at all.

    As a Muslim, I’m Fed Up With the Hypocrisy of the Free Speech Fundamentalists
    —————————————————————————————————-
    “The response to the inexcusable murder of Charlie Hebdo’s staff has proved that many liberals are guilty of double standards when it comes to giving offence.”

    “In the midst of all the post-Paris grief, hypocrisy and hyperbole abounds. Yes, the attack was an act of unquantifiable evil; an inexcusable and merciless murder of innocents…” <– Yes, it was bad but calm down; you're overreacting.

    "It was a crime – not an act of war – perpetrated by disaffected young men; radicalised not by drawings of the Prophet in Europe in 2006 or 2011, as it turns out, but by images of US torture in Iraq in 2004." <— Islam isn't to blame; the non-Muslims are.

    "Please get a grip. None of us believes in an untrammelled right to free speech. We all agree there are always going to be lines that, for the purposes of law and order, cannot be crossed; or for the purposes of taste and decency, should not be crossed. We differ only on where those lines should be drawn." <— Stop overreacting, get a handle on yourself. My right to defend my tasteless and indecent cult is as of equal, or more importance than your right to defend freedom of speech. Let us redraw the boundaries together so that nobody may make legitimate criticism of Islam, because if anyone dares to do this; it will result in a "law and order" issue that curiously doesn't seem to arise when other religions are criticised.

    "Has your publication, for example, run cartoons mocking the Holocaust? No? How about caricatures of the 9/11 victims falling from the twin towers? I didn’t think so (and I am glad it hasn’t). <— "I didn't think so" he says self-righteously. Brings up the Holocaust, even though Hitler himself said "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France." Then he perversely mentions 9/11- a terrorist attack carried out by 19 of his fellow Muslims who had affiliations to al-Qaeda.

    "I disagree with your seeming view that the right to offend comes with no corresponding responsibility; and I do not believe that a right to offend automatically translates into a duty to offend." <— Slippery slope, slippery slope…We better apply some tighter restrictions…

    "Muslims, I guess, are expected to have thicker skins than their Christian and Jewish brethren. Context matters, too. You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent (have you visited Germany lately?) and the widespread discrimination against Muslims in education, employment and public life – especially in France." <— Talks as though Muslims are hard done by and that Islam is part of the Judeo-Christian "brethen," even when his cult wants to kill these "brethren" who refuse to submit. Obnoxiously mentions the PEGIDA movement where people are opposing the Islamic take-over of their country and doesn't blame Muslims for their self-created "widespread discrimination" problem.

    "It's for these reasons that I can't "be", don’t want to “be", Charlie – if anything, we should want to be Ahmed, the Muslim policeman who was killed while protecting the magazine’s right to exist." <– Admits that he doesn't identify with non-Muslims. Attempts to shift the focus back to the one victim who just so happened to be Muslim, and whom his fellow Muslims killed because Islam is the 'religion' of choice for deranged individuals.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/mehdi-hasan/2015/01/muslim-i-m-fed-hypocrisy-free-speech-fundamentalists

    • voegelinian says

      Jan 21, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      Mehdi Hasan’s Islamosophistry has been featured many times in the past on Jihad Watch:

      https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=mehdi+hasan&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jihadwatch.org%2F&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=&gws_rd=ssl

  12. Neil Jennison says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 7:07 am

    Seems about right to me. 42 % 8 % Muslims and 34 % lefty dhimmies.

  13. Holy Prophet APF says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 8:32 am

    Take the 10% of Moslems out of the 42% and you’ve got one third of real Frenchmen opposing publication of Holy Prophet cartoons. That figure should be somewhere around, oh, 0%, so having 33% of Infidels there in favor of the total defeat of victory is shocking, but not surprising, if that makes any sense. None of this Moslem stuff makes any sense, but it’s all easy to understand.

  14. Peter Weber says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 10:18 am

    Not only France! I live in Ireland since many years. In the Cork City Mercy Hospital they offer 6 days halal food a week. Only on Sunday you can have bacon … in Ireland we have about 1% Muslims …

  15. duh_swami says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Polls are good for propaganda purposes only, its results depend on who you ask and how you ask, they are not a vote…Polls are unstable, they vacillate quickly and are only a frame or time frozen for the moment. The next moment they morph into something else…I don’t consider this poll any better than the rest, it is not an absolute.

  16. Pieter says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 11:34 am

    Take away the 10% Muslims in France then the figure gets down to 32%. Not a very wel represented percentace

  17. Ross says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Maybe you shouldn’t fart in church either but, I’d bet they wouldn’t cut your head off if you did.

    The problem is the neck cutters, not the cartoons.

    You Musies are a little sensitive aren’t you?

  18. mortimer says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    Consistency is not usual in opinion surveys. Many people do not understand the questions and some of the questions have confusing wording. No doubt, the Leftards want to restrict ‘hate speech’ and don’t care about blasphemy, but Muslims want to shut down blasphemy…every criticism of Islam is blasphemy.

    But our Western culture is BUILT on the right to blaspheme and we shed rivers of blood to acquire it. We’re not going to throw it away for the Muzzies. They don’t get that. We have to explain to them why they can’t have it and how they’ll have to accept it or pack their bags.

  19. Myxlplik says

    Jan 20, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    What chaos, so what’s the litmus for free societies to follow regarding free speech and mind viruses?

    Say I declare myself a Prophet, and convince people that defending me and my new Faith against insult will be rewarded with 1000 Space Sluts as payment, in the afterlife universe. I declare my faith as Mind Virus, with Myxlplik as The only One interpreter of its rules, and I say kill those who insult Mind Virus.

    Should people be banned from creating funny depictions of Space Sluts, and Myxlplik? What’s the litmus?

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