The jihadists killed the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists because they were blasphemers. They killed these people in the supermarket because they were Jews, the worst enemies of the Muslims according to the Qur’an (5:82).
“‘Hostages Killed’ In Paris Supermarket Siege,” Sky News, January 9, 2015
At least four hostages have been killed at the end of siege at a Paris supermarket involving a jihadist gunman.
Commandos launched an assault at the supermarket 20 minutes after explosions at a second siege on the outskirts of Paris.
Six explosions were heard at the supermarket in the east of Paris and several hostages were seen running from the store.
It was initially hoped that all hostages had been saved – but it has now been reported that a number have died.
The hostage-taker has also been killed, sources say. Two police officers were also hurt in the raid on the shop in Porte de Vincennes.
Sky’s crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: “After news came through of the situation Dammartin there seemed to be a sense of urgency here.
“We heard four very quick explosions that lasted between them seven seconds I suspect.”
There were another two explosions shortly afterwards.
Minutes later hostages were pictured being carried out, or running out, of the market – as sirens wailed across the city.
Sources reported that police managed to hack video surveillance at the market to keep a close eye on what was happening inside.
It is also understood that officers were secretly communicating by phone with one of the hostages.
The gunman at the Kosher store had threatened to kill the hostages if police moved in on two brothers holding another hostage in a print-works near Charles de Gaulle airport.
It is understood that police may have managed to close down communication between the two groups of hostage-takers.
Earlier, SWAT teams were seen surrounding the Hyper Cacher kosher store.
Israeli TV said a six-month old baby and the baby’s mother were among those held captive.
A police officer told Sky News that the siege began when a gunman went in the supermarket and started shooting immediately.
According to the AP news agency, which quoted a police source, the gunman said “You know who I am” as he opened fire inside.
The hostage taker is believed to be one of the suspects who killed a policewoman in Montrouge, southern Paris, on Thursday….
Angemon says
My condolences to the families and friends of the dead hostages.
Champ says
Yes, I offer my condolences as well, Angemon …and I just watched news coverage of obama doing the same, and he seems so disingenuous to me; his words give me zero comfort.
dumbledoresarmy says
Jerusalem Post has published the names of the Jews who were murdered by the Jihadi who attacked the Jewish supermarket.
Here.
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Four-Jewish-victims-of-kosher-deli-siege-named-387299
“Yoav Hattab, Philippe Braham, Yohan Cohen and Francois-Michel Saada.”
(Something that has not been made much of, but is worth remembering, is that of the four ‘top targets’ at Charlie Hebdo, one of those four was also ethnically Jewish, George Wolinski, of Sephardi and Ashkenazi background).
Salah says
They were killed because some cowards denied them the right to carry a concealed weapon that could have saved their lives.
The enemy is doing its job: kill us.
The enemy within is doing his: prevent us from defending ourselves.
Gun control people: you have innocent blood all over your hands.
mortimer says
But it isn’t SYSTEMIC RACISM when Muslims do it.
According to cultural Marxists like Ben Affleck, only white people are ‘racists’ and we cannot condemn Islamic racism, because Muslims are officially designate victims who are all above criticism.
Richard Sherman says
Ben Sflack is a useful idiot for Al Qaeda.
Terri says
Ben Affleck is another leftist, liberal looney that has been brainwashed and is completely blind to what ISLAM is. Well, he will find out if we don’t stop them. He’ll lose his head. Another gentleman commented that they have been here after WWII working in our system to destroy us. I didn’t know it was right after WWII but I have read about them coming here in the 60’s an 70’s and implementing their plan to take us over. Obama was the cherry on top, since he is a Muslim extremist who agrees with what is going on. He never speaks out about the thousands of Christians and innocents who have been slaughtered, little Christian children cut in half, but he is bring millions of Syrian muslims here, NONE of the Christians. The Islamic Countries like Saudi Arabia ( also our enemy) wouldn’t take one. They need to be left where they are at, and we need to contact our representatives and senators and let them know to pass a law stopping those from the US who have went over there and fight can’t come back, and to stop these huge immigration of these islamists. If we can get them to do anything at all. Got to do something. In the meantime, take a ccw class. learn to shoot and start carrying. All these so called work place violence and lone wolf attacks are intentional and are jihad, but we have to be able to defend ourselves and others. Think if in France someone would have been armed in that newspaper office. Could have taken them out before they got started. As for the burning of the Mosques, perhaps that is what is going to take, for France to get their Country back, since they have let them take over, and have their own no-go neighborhoods. That’s insane. By the way watch your kids, and grandkids school books they are teaching Islam to our children which cannot be allowed. Can’t mention Jesus or the God of the Bible, the foundation of our Country, but they can teach how great ISLAM is, I don’t think so.
Roy C says
Terri – What you say may sound somewhat extreme to some, but every word is true. Although most conservatives in our media are effectively hobbled into silence by the politically correct thought police some of us try to break through like you. When Obama stated at the UN, as the leader of the free world mind you, that there is no future for those who slander the prophet Mohammed I was totally slack-jawed in disbelief as I’m sure you were. No Christian, Jew, Hindu or Atheist would say anything like this, only a Muslim would. Even radical Imams must have been stunned that he’d blow his cover as a pretend Christian in front of the entire world. It turned out that the speech wasn’t the shocker after all, it was the reaction from the West. The Imams needn’t have worried, there was virtually no reaction other than some ineffectual grumbling from the timid right. Osama was right about which side was the strong horse.
Gardener says
In France, there are 0.22 homicides by firearm per 100,000 people. In the United States, that number is 2.83, which means the murder rate in the US by firearm is almost 13 times higher than in France. Furthermore, there are 0.02 unintentional deaths caused by firearms in France per 100,000 people, whereas in the US the number is 0.30, which is a higher death rate than the rate of homicides by firearm in France. Easy access to firearms makes it easier for crazies to kill. The more guns there are, and handguns in particular, the more shooting there will be, and the more fireram deaths there will be.
TotallyPeeved says
Go peddle your insane claptrap somewhere else. Feel free to hie your arse to any of the disarmed socialist countries, you ignorant commie.
John Mustart South Africa. says
Americans seem to love their guns as much as they love God, some of them maybe more. If your economy goes down which it should because of QE you may start killing each other for food, that is, the bad guys will form gangs and go on deadly looting sprees. South Africa is more dangerous and to have a gun is very dangerous. The criminals believe every one has a gun and when a gang ambushes you at the entrance to your property the first thing they ask for is your gun. If you cannot produce one you are in trouble. I have given mine to the ploice for destruction and can produce proof to robbers that I do not have a gun. The ambush can comprise 2 to 5 people who are heavily armed. I do not know why you Americans fret over having to register your guns. I think your country is out of control in this respect. I will trust in God rather than a gun.
Bezelel says
Your statistics conveniently leave out how many firearm deaths in the US are from a police action or self defense.
Danigher says
Socialism rocks! Guns are for puxxies.
Don’t be offended Gardner, they know not their own fear guised by guns
duh_swami says
Danigher…….What???
Lioness says
Every criminal that wants to get his hands on a firearm can do so illegally. The only thing that stands in a way of a crminal with an illegal gun and his intended victim, is a good guy with a legal gun.
fidobite says
The vast majority of the assaults & murders you mention are turf wars between slum trash…sorry, your anti-gun stance rings entirely hollow! Properly trained citizens carrying have made them and the areas they’re found much safer.
Mitch Abramson says
Absolutely. The anti-gun politicos have the victims’ blood on their hands
mortimer says
This isn’t about guncontrol in France. France has 7 million Muslims of which about 1 million support violent jihad. They will use any weapon they can find or even their fists.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
if there were not 7 million Muslims in France, arguments about guns and who should have them would be moot, because the total risk to any French citizen would be negligible.
It is only the presence of the Muslims that has effectively turned France into a war zone…which, according to Muslim belief, it *is* – dar al Harb, region of war.
*The* campaign to focus on, all over the lands of the Infidels, is the campaign to 1/ STOP all further entry and settlement of Muslims within those lands and 2/ whittle away at the current mohammedan colonies, beginning with the deportation of all Muslim illegals and of all non-citizen muslims who commit crimes and with the stripping of citizenships and cancellations of passports of all ‘citizen’ Muslims who go off to join Islamic State and/ or publicly recruit for or give aid and comfort to Islamic State, etc.
dumbledoresarmy says
Let’s not forget the Mohammedan cleric who in the UK told Muslims that if they didn’t have chemical weapons, they could use *rat poison*.
How does a mere pistol protect anyone against the kind of enemy who might, for example, sow ricin-dipped or otherwise-poisoned caltrops in a dog park or on a beach? (I mention this because persons unknown *have* been scattering caltrops – not poisoned, but nasty enough without it – across a couple of parks in Melbourne, recently; something that has *never* happened before, *ever*).
Or against the kind of enemy who secretly inserts needles into packs of ready-to-eat ham (this actually happened, in Canada; a Muslim female was caught doing it; these food packs were sold to schoolkids)?
Or the kind of enemy who might sneak in and deliberately contaminate a city’s water reservoirs or its water treatment plant (quite possibly infiltrating from within, as an employee, not even necessarily identifiable as a Muslim whilst so doing)?
Or the kind of enemy who would deliberately spill oil on roads in order to cause traffic accidents? (Al Qaeda has explicitly proposed this idea).
Or who would deliberately set bushfires, in Australia or California? (Another idea that has been proposed by more than one Jihadi.) Given that infidel arsonists are rarely witnessed ‘in the act’, I don’t see how our gun-toting heroes are going to manage to spot and stop a Muslim arsonist who just casually tosses a match or two out of his car window ‘on spec’ into tinder-dry bush whilst bowling down a freeway.
Matthieu Baudin says
Yes Mortimer, thanks for getting the focus back to the central point. It’s the absolute number of people drawn into the Jihadi cause that counts. The native population is under threat and is having their social world degraded by terror and compromise with religious fanaticism. The political leadership are holding onto outdated attitudes from their youth – the ’60s and ’70s and are unprepared for dealing with a vicious armed enemy that plays the victim role while slashing throats.
cs says
And pray the Kaddish to them.
cs says
What now Merkel?
Nicu says
German media only worry about Muslims – that they might be attacked !!!
No word about us , the people or about the victims of Paris : just the regular news 🙁
Ernie says
Dear Nicu , all I hear from French , Belgian , Dutch and German t.v. is : it is not islam , and calls for unity . UNITY ?! UNITY IS WHAT WE TRIED FOR THE LAST 45 YEARS . THE MUSLIMS DON’T WANT IT . MOST OF THEM WANT SHARIA !
Frank Scarn says
Killed because they were Jews.
Bill Donahue will soon enough be pontificating that they were asking for it.
Life’s a tough teacher. It gives its tests first. Then its lessons.
The French are getting their Islamic lessons now.
cs says
They should have learnt by now.
mortimer says
Thank you for writing that, Frank. Merely being Jewish is a crime whenever a Muslim has a gun in his hand. They considered torturing and murdering unarmed Jews would improve their standing with Allah.
A lot of people who should know better, simply offer their unconsidered opinions when a mike is placed in front of them. Bill O’Donohue totally missed the point of the ‘screw-you’ defiance of Charlie Hebdo. The point (as you know) is ‘We are using our freedom…toughen up…because not using freedom means you’re gonna lose it soon!’
Those who love freedom must maintain a constant vigilance against those who want to steal it from us.
jimmi says
After the Merah affair… I do not understand with the people and the authorities are so unpreapered… lack of budget?
I am not saying they should carry arms but maybe some another kind of basic security.
Beagle says
One of the Drudge links is calling this “over”. I fear this is not even the end of the beginning.
So sad. My heart goes out to the victims. Not to be confused with Muslims facing dirty looks on public transport.
Sam says
I am still wondering what the “real” motive of these crazy people killing innocent people. This must be Jewish plot to give a bad name to the religion of peace. AGAIN!!!
jewdog says
Say there was a religious cult that taught that people who wear purple sweaters should be killed. Would we tolerate members of that cult in our midst? Or would we hear all about how most cult members really were nice people who wouldn’t hurt anyone? I think we would tolerate it if there were millions of such cultists and they had clever propagandists who knew how to make themselves sound like victims of racism.
voegelinian says
It depends. If there were hundreds of millions of these, and millions among them seemed to be harmless, then our JW Softies like Angemon, Phillip Jihadski, mortimer, Jay Boo, et al., would elaborate theories about how millions of them are “ignorant” of their own Purple-Sweater-Killing ideology, and how we can’t round them up and deport them, no matter how many members among them killed us, and no matter how pragmatically unfeasible it was for us to be able to discriminate among their members to distinguish the supposedly harmless among them. (And when I might dare to come along to hold their softness up for justified criticism, they would lash back at me; and the other JW regulars who supposedly don’t share their Softness would become strangely (and uncharacteristically) absent and incognizant.)
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“JW Softies like Angemon, Phillip Jihadski, mortimer, Jay Boo, et al., would elaborate theories about how millions of them are “ignorant” of their own Purple-Sweater-Killing ideology”
Hi voeg. I see you still like to side-snipe at counter-jihadis, mischaracterize their positions and pretend you know how they act. Perhaps you should take your ill tempered vitriolic rants and start using them against islamic trolls and apologists for a change. The recent jihadi attacks in France bolstered their numbers around here. Try it – you just might like it 😉
“and how we can’t round them up and deport them, no matter how many members among them killed us, and no matter how pragmatically unfeasible it was for us to be able to discriminate among their members to distinguish the supposedly harmless among them”
The fallacy here is that voeg doesn’t go any further than “we must deport them”. Because repeating something over and over makes it magically happen, right? Try asking him any detail about how he would implement his suggestion and he’ll crumbles into a ball of piss, vinegar and spite, ready to lash out at the perceived offender. And let’s not overlook the elephant in the room – deportation is reserved for foreign citizens, a concept that voeg has repeatedly failed to comprehend.
“And when I might dare to come along to hold their softness up for justified criticism, they would lash back at me;”
It’s actually the opposite of what voeg claims. You see, voeg has a love/hate relationship with criticism. He loves criticizing others and hates being criticized. So much so that not only he was banned of JW several times for constantly attacking and deriding JW staff and commentators, he also create a blog called “Jihad Watch Watch”, dedicated to attack and deride that same JW staff and commentators.
Voeg acts in a typical leftist-fascistic fashion: you either agree with him on everything or you’re deserving of being mocked and attacked, even if that means lying. The backlash voeg claims to receive is no different in nature than the backlash “palestinians” get from Israel – justified self defense from someone who repeatedly attacks and demonizes them at every chance he gets – and what he refers to as “hold their softness up for justified criticism” is in fact…Well, I’m not sure of what it is. Could be ad-hominem attacks, mischaracterizations or outright lies. Perhaps he believes that calling someone “pro-muslim troll”, “bloody idiot” or saying they’re “full of shit” are “justified criticism”. I, for one, disagree.
“and the other JW regulars who supposedly don’t share their Softness would become strangely (and uncharacteristically) absent and incognizant.)”
By which voeg means that no one comes up to defend him, because I’ve seen other JW regulars stepping in to speak their minds. Just not to defend him. In any case, why should someone step in to answer questions asked to voeg about voeg’s ideas?
Funny fact: the regulars whose absence voeg so ardently weeps for were, at a time or another, targets of his childish fits, and that never stopped them from speaking on his behalf. In fact, not long ago, voeg accused one regular of not speaking on his behalf and proved his point by linking to a post of said regular speaking on his behalf:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/biden-tried-to-lecture-hirsi-ali-about-islam/comment-page-2#comment-1162708
But, like any good leftist-fascistic thug, voeg was never one to let facts get in the way of a good narrative: he has the solution, JW “softies” “attack” him for it, when he selflessly tries to counter them they lash out at him, and other JW regulars never defend him. That’s it. The debate is over, the science is settled, and any other point of view is just “being a softy” or “defending muslims”.
Undaunted says
I agree, Ang. Voeg can really be a snotty little fucker, eh?
voegelinian says
What’s strange is when “snotty little fucker” seems more important than whether my argument is correct or not. I don’t take offense personally; but I do take offense as a citizen whose fellow friends, family and citizens are endangered by Muslims and the one place in the universe where a conversation is unfolding to try to wake the West up to protect itself seems compromised by outrageous softness in the face of this danger. But I guess some Jihad Watchers think primarily in terms of petty personal issues. Priorities, after all…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“What’s strange is when “snotty little fucker” seems more important than whether my argument is correct or not.”
There was no argument to speak off. Just you, once again, acting like a leftist-fascist thug and going out of your way to cowardly lash out at those who use their free-speech to discuss your ideas. I, for one, believe that openly discussing ideas and their flaws is a constructive process – discussing flaws can lead to creating fixes for the aforementioned flaws. I find that to be a much more convincing, and productive, process than trying to frame oneself as the victim, like the “palestinians” do.
Michael says
With hostages dead in Paris merely for being Jewish (or at least clearly being assumed to be Jewish; we don’t actually know the details) when will #jesuisjuif join the entirely admirable #jesuischarlie – don’t hold your breath. But then don’t count too much on #jesuischarlie – by the time the media and political establishment has added ‘but….’ to the wailing and gnashing of teeth over ‘freedom of expression’, and watered down what has happened with words about offensivenesss and reasonableness and respect (it’s already happening and not only on MSNBC), everyone will end up still full of great sadness but with a received opinion (not quite spoken but, oh yes, there) that, well, they kind of brought it on themselves – even though it is entirely unacceptable that it happened! But then when you think… those hostages kind of brought in on themsleves, by being Jewish, didn’t they? It’ll all be OK. Everyone can go back to sleep.
gravenimage says
Je Suis Juif
Here’s my related artwork, “I Am A Gharkad Tree”:
http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/gharkad.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5&_suid=142085653557901314563099294901
u says
As I wrote at the post below, we must be prepared for hostages to be killed in situations such as these as they come in the future. It’s just a consequence of war, a war we did not start but from which we must not turn away, even if innocents die in the battles.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2014/09/still-crazy-after-all-these-years.html
Undaunted says
“u”? Who’s that? Oh, this guy: http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2011/06/panzers-in-paris.html
Something apt I wrote about Paris some time back.
gravenimage says
Things are still a bit unclear, but from what I have heard, it doesn’t sound as though French police killed these hostages, but the Jihad hostage-takers themselves. I don’t believe any of us should become sanguine about Muslims taking and murdering innocent hostages.
Dave J says
I trust there is plenty of room inside the “Caliphate” for all the Muslims who will be sent home to enjoy the blessings of living under Islam and the Sharia law. Everything will be just as you like it, so you can stop demanding it here.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Ashley says
Hopefully, this won’t amount to anything but it came across the Breaking News feed twenty minutes ago:
“There are local reports of a robbery and hostage situation at a jewelry store in Montpellier, France. It is unclear whether this is related to the Charlie Hebdo attack and the events in Paris and northern France.”
voegelinian says
“A third hostage crisis [third…?] is underway in France this evening after a gunman locked himself inside a jewellery shop he had tried to rob with two members of staff.
“Officials in the city of Montpellier have stressed that the situation has no links with terrorists or today’s events in the Paris region.”
[VA TE VOUS FAIRE FOUTRE!!! We can’t believe “officials” anymore when they say “See no Islam!” until they show us proof.]
“…A spokesperson for the Montpellier police said the attacker has locked himself inside the shop, which has been surrounded.
“Local newspaper Midi Libre reported that the city centre has been sealed off around a jeweller’s shop on La Rue du l’Argenterie.
“Members of the French police special force GIPN arrive near a jewellery store where two people were being held hostage by a gunman attempting a robbery on 9 January Police usher shoppers away from a jewellery shop in Montpellier where a gunmen [sic] was holding staff hostage Two employees, believed to be aged in their 30s and 40s were locked inside at gunpoint.
“Negotiators were in discussions with the gunmen [ah, looks like “the attacker” has morphed into plural “gunmen”] and no shots have so far been fired, Midi Libre reported.
“Officials have said that there is no link whatsoever with terrorism…”
JE M’EN BRANLE!!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/gunman-holding-hostages-at-jewellery-shop-in-french-city-of-montpellier-9969270.html
Ross says
I’m sorry that Westerners are so tolerant. Many more people will have to die before the West is angered enough to actually resolve the problem.
If the PCers don’t get out of the way, it may be a very long war.
Maybe, if we give up ours guns and just be nice to them, they won’t cut our heads off. After all, it is The Religion of Peace, so this must all be our fault.
Is anyone as pissed as I am about our governments allowing this to happen????
voegelinian says
It’s not just the governments; multitudes of ordinary people (perhaps the majority) throughout the West evidently are unconscionably remiss in coming up to speed on this problem.
Charli Main says
Watched a number of reports by British TV reporters on the ” incident” in Paris.
NOT ONCE was Islam, Muslims or Jihad mentioned.
It was ” four young Parisians ” ” young terrorists” or “the attackers”
If the MSM and political elites persistently avoid naming the problem, how can it be defeated ????
TH says
In case anyone had any doubt about the matter, Hollande in his address to the nation, declared that it has nothing to do with Islam, the same mantra as the rest of them. Of course, Holalnde owes his presidency to the muslim vote. The left will do anything to save the muslim vote. Of course, in the process he and the res tof them consider the ordinary citizen a buncho of idiots and imbeciles. In fact, what they say is tantamount to saying that Mahommed has nothing to to do with Islam,
Walter Sieruk says
Stated before but nevertheless well worth repeating which is the wicked warped confused and deluded way of thinking of those murderous jihad shooters in Paris France.is terrible and awful indeed.The jihad terrorists might have such a wicked, warped , confused and deluded way of thinking they just might think that those jihad murders they committed as something that is “good.” To this the Bible answers “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil…” Isaiah 5;20. Furthermore, the evil and mad mindset of those Muslim terrorists in France can also be described in the Bible ?Which teaches “The hearts of men are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterwards they join the dead.” Ecclesiastes 9:3. [N.I.V]
voegelinian says
The jihad terrorists might have such a wicked, warped , confused and deluded way of thinking they just might think that those jihad murders they committed as something that is “good.”
There’s no “might” about it. Muslims do think all their unjust and dangerous evil is, in fact, of the highest good and pleasing to God. That — coupled (of course) with the blueprint of Islam we can find in their Koran & Sunna — is what makes Muslims more dangerous than any other group on the planet.
As the great Christian theologian and mystic Gregory Palamas noticed some seven centuries ago:
For these impious people [Muslims], hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God. . . they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil. . . and not only do they commit these crimes, but even—what an aberration—they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life.
(supposedly written in 1354; I’ve been unable to track down a suitable reference citation for this quote; such is the lamentable state of disorganization of the Counter-Jihad)
dumbledoresarmy says
You might start with the references given by this person.
http://facingislam.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/st-gregory-palamas-confessor-and.html
Quote -” For a full account of this episode in St. Gregory Palamas’ life, drawing from several sources, see The Lives of the Pillars of Orthodoxy (Buena Vista CO, Holy Apostles Convent & Dormition Skete, 1990), 325-356. (St. Gregory lived only four more years following his release, indicating his weakened health.)”
And you could try checking the article that is mentioned *here*:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1478-1913.1983.tb03250.x/abstract
So I assume that if you go to “The Lives of the Pillars of Orthdoxy”, and follow up *its* original references (if in English; there may be untranslated material still in Greek) you should get somewhere.
Or try the article that is mentioned here. I suspect you have easier access to a large university library – such as might contain hardcopy of the relevant journals – than *I* have.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2852085?sid=21105597897823&uid=4&uid=2&uid=3737536&uid=2129&uid=70
“Gregory Palamas Among the Turks and Documents of his Captivity as Historical Sources”, G Georgiades Arnakis, Speculum, Vol 26, no 1 (Jan 1951) pp 104-118.
‘Speculum’ being, as I am sure you know, a journal of medieval studies.
*I’d* begin with the Arnakis’ Speculum article, because if it cites that passage it would presumably give the original source.
There’s also a reference given here.
http://www.answering-islam.org/history/byzantine_responses.html
It refers to a letter Gregory wrote about his captivity among the (Muslim) Turks. Footnotes including some of the critical remarks about those Muslims all refer to the following item which is listed as a primary not as a secondary source – i.e. it must, presumably, contain an edition/ translation of the original.
Sahas, Daniel J. “Captivity and Dialogue: Gregory Palamas (1296-1360) and the Muslims,” Greek Orthodox Theological Review. 25 (1980), pp. 409-436.
Check the Sahas and Arnakis articles: if either of them gives in full the passage about “these impious persons” that you mention, then you’ve got your reference; and they’re *both* scholarly articles, appearing in peer-reviewed journals, so *their* footnotes must surely give all relevant details of the Greek original.
PS I suspect that to get hold of either article, one would need to resort to a seriously extensive university (perhaps also theological college, if *old* enough) library. In Australia, for example, my gut feeling is that probably only Fisher Library at the university of Sydney would hold the relevant journals.
voegelinian says
Thanks. That blogger’s blog is all about Islam and Orthodoxy; it seems odd that he would only post quotes of Palamas that are less juicy & zingy than the one I quoted above when he must have seen it if it was in the sources he’s using. I emailed him asking if he knows more (as I’m not prepared to plunk down some $90 to buy a book I’m not sure has what I need).
That blog, “Facing Islam”, has some interesting posts. One I particularly relished was his analytical analogy of Muslims and the zombies of the show “Walking Dead” —
http://facingislam.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/islam-in-scifi-2-walking-dead.html
mortimer says
It’s Sharia law that commands it.
somehistory says
The True God knows how many died today, who they were and who is responsible for their deaths. He has numbered the hairs of each head of those for whom He has love ( Luke 12:7 ). The God who can do that will bring judgment to all of the murderers. He knows who they are too.
Condolences to all who lost someone they loved through no fault of their own.
voegelinian says
Welcome to the Muslim World, France. France (and other EU-tard nations) have spent decades building a Eurabia; and this is what happens.
http://www.meforum.org/1288/eurabia-the-euro-arab-axis
mortimer says
Whenever a Muslim has a gun in his hand, Jews will be targets sooner, rather than later.
Champ says
Wow France is on fire! ..and islam is the DEATH CULT from hell and spreading like a deadly cancer. France must fight fire, with fire.
profitsbeard says
As insane as bringing in and raising loose scorpions in your house.
“They help diversify the living room, don’t they, crawling over everything?”
Scorpion-phobia?
Just as rational as Islamophobia. AKA- Fear of a Death Cult.
Fear of its homicidal behavior seems pretty sensible..
Knowledge of Islam and its imperialistic history show that it is not just a nest of scorpions, but a plague of locusts.
Ask Buddhist Afghanistan.
And we will have to raise our Sword to utterly smash Islam’s.
Till it throws it down, or falls.
Don McKellar says
Oh, yes, the WAVE OF INSANITY continues across France. And the government is helpless / hopeless. What in the world could be causing it all? The government officials are certain — it cannot be all these loving, wonderful moslems who have colonized France, setting up all those hundreds of sharia law (no French law is allowed) enclaves. Oh, no, our precious moslems and their sharia law can’t be the cause behind all these murders and terror! It must be something else, nes pas?
TO THE FRENCH PEOPLE: It is time to start building guillotine. Mass produce them. Do it now. Right now. The second French Revolution is on the horizon and there are a LOT of traitors to the French people who need to pay with their heads. The Revolution was a very positive thing that worked for a long, long time. Now it needs to be refreshed. YES, IT DOES — AND YOU KNOW IT. Embrace freedom again.
Charli Main says
But—but—-but—Don, think of all the ” enormous contributions” that Muslims have made to Europe, since the beginning of their invasion.
David Cameron, Merkel and Hollande will eventually provide us with a list of these “Muslim contributions”, but I can’t see what is taking them so long————-
Isabella says
I am so sad thinking about all the Parisians who lost someone in this week of hell.
Je suis Charlie.
El says
Hollande the idiot says the attacks have nothing to do with Islam. Idiot! At the very least you could have said nothing, why go out of your way to appease?? Time to start mass deportations of Jihadists, close all radical mosques and being a sweep up of the Paris slums. Time to switch on.
jay says
Time for French Jews to all make aliyah. Europe will slit your throats themselves for the Muslim scum, leave while you can, please.
Frank Castle says
WHERE is the Twitter hashtag for the persecuted Jews and Israelis?
Something like #IWillDefendYou ??
duh_swami says
Taqiyya laden Mahoundians have taken to the web to do damage control…Most of them are trolls using western names. It’s a bit too late for all these excuses.
The western world is slowly waking up in a bad mood. They don’t like what they see. The lies of the leaders become obvious and people are dying all over the place, that would not be dead if not for Islam. How many times do we have to be slapped on the face before we stop turning the other cheek?
Danny says
Let Jodan take the West Bank Moslems, and Egypt take the Gazan Hamas and the Jews take both regions. They are obviously not welcome in Europe.
Ernie says
Well , you are a glamorous example of ” The Religion Of Peace “. : suffering from angst , anger , frustration(s) , delusion(s)/ psychosis , self rightiousness , lovelessness , narcisism / anti social personality disorder . My personal opinion is that you’re beyond human help and that’s sad , very sad for you and your surroundings . I really hope one day you’ll feel better ; that those angry and evil voices in your head are gone , and you have peace in your mind . And LOVE in your heart for all . Miracles happen !
Ernie says
Sorry guys and girls , my/this commentary was not meant for you , it was directed to a commentary that has been deleted ( from Universal Khalifah… ) . Robert : Thank you for deleting this very , very anti-Semitic tirade !
mike ryan says
As horrible as it is, the victim account at Hyper Cacher would have been much higher had it not been for the quick thinking of a Muslim immigrant employee from Mali, according to a report in Arutz Sheva.
The employee immediately unlocked the freezer section and sequestered twenty-four fellow employees and customers.
There are righteous Muslims. I just wish there were more righteous among them.