Saying that they want to die as martyrs may mean that they want to kill more people as they are killed, for Paradise is guaranteed to those who “kill and are killed” for Allah (Qur’an 9:111).
“French terror suspects in phone contact, want ‘martyr’ death,” by Lori Hinnant and Raphael Satter, Associated Press, January 9, 2015:
DAMMARTIN-EN-GOELE, France (AP) — Two brothers suspected in a newspaper terror attack were cornered inside a printing house northeast of Paris on Friday, taking a hostage and telling police they “want to die as martyrs,” a lawmaker said.
Security forces streamed into the small industrial town of Dammartin-en-Goele, northeast of Paris, in a massive operation to seize the men suspected of carrying out France’s deadliest terror attack in decades. One of the men had been convicted of terrorism charges in 2008, and a U.S. official said both brothers were on the American no-fly list.
Authorities evacuated a nearby school around midday Friday after the suspects agreed by phone to allow the children safe passage, town hall spokeswoman Audrey Taupenas told The Associated Press.
“They said they want to die as martyrs,” Yves Albarello, a local lawmaker who said he was inside the command post, told French television station i-Tele….
David says
The gunman who shot dead the policewoman has now taken at least 5 hostages in a Kosher supermarket in Paris, & one person has already been shot, the police have it surrounded. This doesn’t look good, hope it doesn’t end like the Sydney siege. They should snipe this guy if they get a chance. I assume he’s a Muslim too.
dumbledoresarmy says
Attacking a kosher supermarket, eh?
Well, I hope that whatever men the Mossad has in France have already been contacted by French security personnel, and called in to assist and advise.
Because if anyone knows a thing or two about how to extract hostages whilst neutralising jihadis it’s the Israelis. They’ve had a *lot* of practice.
Angemon says
I’m sure the French police won’t disagree with that.
Always On Watch says
Does the printing facility publish Charlie Hebdo?
Angemon says
You know what? We have not been bombarded with the alleged attacks on french mosques, and how terribly “islamophobic” this “backlash” is, and how “innocent” muslims are being harmed. I bet that the “attacks” are either being exaggerated (assuming they even existed) or are the work of devout muslims – a false flag attack.
Undaunted says
Anyone taken hostage by Muslims needs to know up front that the old negotiation paradigm went out the window some time back. Odds are the HT (hostage takers) are going to go out in a blaze of “glory” and the hostages are neither bargaining chips nor collateral damage but currency with which HT intend to buy their way into “paradise”.
So, the best thing to do if you’re taken hostage is to try to escape right away. In the early stages, the situation is not under the full control of the HT, there is a bit of disorganization and confusion, so that will probably be your best chance.
If you can’t get away, remember these things and do your best…
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/04/hostage-situati.html
Salah says
Allow honest citizens to carry concealed guns. Problem solved…instantly.
It even gets better: knowing that their potential victims might carry guns, terrorists won’t even try to take hostages.
Undaunted says
Yeah; what you said.
wildjew says
Left-leaning readers on news sites I read viciously mocked Rep. Louie Gohmert for using the term “terror babies.” Goehmert warned about Muslims born here in the U.S., then traveling overseas for jihadi training and then coming back to the U.S. equipped to act on their religion.
Can we not call these French (Paris) born brothers Cherif Kouachi and Said Kouachi French “terror babies?”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I have to admit that I kinda got choked up when it hit me that the Kouachi brothers were making an artistic reference to the work a few years ago by the Tsarnaev brothers. We, are, fam-i-lee. Moslems are big family people. I wonder is Mrs. Tsarnaev is sniffling rat now back home in Dagestan, realizing the tribute just paid her two sons.
Thinking From First Principles says
Understand the jihadist beliefs and use them to your advantage.
The stated intention is to die as martyrs. We can hope that the police will find a creative way to remove this as an option. It has often been stated that Muslim’s believe that contact with pork products makes them unclean, and that to die in such a state is a guarantee of banishment to their version of hell. If this is true, and if this is the belief that these jihadis are acting on, then the locations they are in need to be made unclean in such a fashion that the jihadis themselves are unclean and destined for their hell if they die. This is necessary so that they don’t blow up themselves and the hostages together. Perhaps this can be done with an aerosol being introduced into the air vents (or a liquid through any fire sprinklers or in any food that is provided) … let them breathe it for a while and then inform them that they are now in an unclean state – and that if they bring harm to the hostages the police will enter on a shoot-to-kill basis while they are in that unclean state. And, of course, if the jihadis hold these beliefs about pork, be sure to contaminate the bullets that would be used.
St. Croix says
I would suggest piping in something even more abhorrent and discombobulating to the Islamic adherent: Christian praise and worship music. They will drop their guns and run out of there screaming, with their fingers in their ears.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Who can blame these Moslem activists for wanting to die as martyrs? If they do, they go to Jannat, where each will get a throne overseeing an eternal sex orgy in which they’ll be armed with an erection just as everlasting. Getting bored banging 11 yr old virgins day in day out up there in Moslem heaven? Well, Jannat offers hidden pearls to change up the pace. Along with wine and cheese plates, flowing streams of wine, the works.
In light of the fine work they did in Paris, let’s get some special upholstery and extra padding in the arms rests on the thrones for Cherif and Said. They’ve put a big weight onto the Self-Censorship tray on the fear side of the scales of justice, and deserve all the prizes they can get.
Jay Boo says
Muslims claim this has nothing to do with Islam.
What how they will piss and moan though if these two Muslim bastards are killed and not allowed their ‘special’ 72 virgin approval Muslim style burial rituals.
Jay Boo says
correction:
Watch how they will piss and moan though if these two Muslim bastards are killed and not allowed their ‘special’ 72 virgin approved Muslim style burial rituals.
Jihad Observer says
When I first saw these thugs drive away and escape from the scene of their Charlie Hebdo raid, I thought to myself “aren’t they forgetting something?”
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Now they remember: “… telling police they “want to die as martyrs,” “
Jay Boo says
So now, many Muslims now claim to be for free speech.
I guess they have forgotten about the London poll that showed a large number of Muslims wanted Salman Rushdie dead.
Already, defenders of Islam are calling NPR and saying that the murders were certainly a tragedy. However most of these callers immediately add the word BUT … to explain that Islam needs to be shown a special respect.
Michael V. Wilson says
If they want to die as martyrs then by all means, grant them their request.
Ken Sears says
A bunch of bloodthirsty murderers take innocent people hostage in Paris and proclaim they are ready to die as “martyrs” (wait… if you’re so ready to die, then why the hostages–to protect you from what?; just more evidence of their rabid madness). Well, “martyr” means “witness” and I suppose EVERYTHING a person does, no matter what, testifies to SOMETHING, even if it’s just how sick he is. Yeah, these jihadist murderers sure are “martyrs”, martyrs for Satan.
somehistory says
Agreement with what you said. Wholehearted.
Ross says
Paradise is guaranteed to those who “kill and are killed” for Allah (Qur’an 9:111).
This is the key to Mohammed’s success as a warlord. He convinced all the idiots who surrounded him to kill all of their enemies, without fear of death, “knowing” that their reward would be Paradise. He created the largest Kamikazi force the world has ever known. Then, the children’s children of those Chimps moved to Europe.
Time to wake up!
somehistory says
The *standard* in the U.S. for this kind of situation is first, the lives of hostages and law enforcement come before the lives of the criminals holding hostages, but their lives too are preserved, if possible. And there is much that goes on inside the command to work this for the best outcome. Even when the guys taking hostages say they *want to die.*
Am wondering just how the French *negotiators* handle these things, esp when the guys are suspected of being the murderers of a dozen people..
deja vu says
Islam corrupts everything – even the very meaning of the word ‘martyr’. Compare and contrast with Christian martyrs, both in history and today, who are being imprisoned, tortured and killed simply for believing in Jesus Christ and following in His footsteps.
Islam twists the meaning to killing non-Muslims while being killed yourself. It’s the only way to guarantee favour with Allah. It is a loathsome ideology, the source of which is becoming more obvious every day. In the NT this entity is described not only as a liar but as the ‘father of lies’.
‘For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.’
(Eph 6:12)
Undaunted says
Lessons to be learned from the Beslan hostage-taking and massacre:
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2011/05/why-bad-guys-do-so-well-in-gunfights-httpwwwpoliceonecomofficer-shootingsarticles2056185-why-do-bad-guys-seem-to-do-s.html
If you haven’t read up on Beslan then you don’t really know the savagery of which Muslims are capable. The Paris troubles are small and slight compared to what Muslims did in that small Russian town. And you can expect them to do it again when and where we let them. I invite you to check out all the links posted throughout this link below, especially the ones at the bottom of the page, which go into great detail on how we can prevent an American Beslan, and an American Paris.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2010/09/the-perfect-day.html