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France: Muslims segregate themselves from society in growing Islamic mini-states

Jan 8, 2015 1:15 pm By Robert Spencer

Ban On Street Prayers Comes Into Effect Across FranceThe Qur’an says that Muslims are the “best of peoples” (3:110) and non-Muslims are the “most vile of created beings” (98:6). Why should Muslims in France or elsewhere in the West exchange the Islamic model of society and governance for that of the vile Infidels? And they aren’t: Sharia enclaves are growing in France and all over Europe.

“Muslims segregated from French society in growing Islamist mini-states,” by Rowan Scarborough, The Washington Times, January 7, 2015:

A backdrop to the massacre in Paris on Wednesday by self-professed al Qaeda terrorists is that city officials have increasingly ceded control of heavily Muslim neighborhoods to Islamists, block by block.

France has Europe’s largest population of Muslims, some of whom talk openly of ruling the country one day and casting aside Western legal systems for harsh, Islam-based Shariah law.

“The situation is out of control, and it is not reversible,” said Soeren Kern, an analyst at the Gatestone Institute and author of annual reports on the “Islamization of France.”

“Islam is a permanent part of France now. It is not going away,” Mr. Kern said. “I think the future looks very bleak. The problem is a lot of these younger-generation Muslims are not integrating into French society. Although they are French citizens, they don’t really have a future in French society. They feel very alienated from France. This is why radical Islam is so attractive because it gives them a sense of meaning in their life.”

While not a complete safe-haven for al Qaeda-type operatives, Paris and other French cities have become more fertile places for Muslim extremists in the past decade. City leaders have allowed virtual Islamic mini-states to thrive as Muslims gain power to govern in their own way.

“There are no-go areas not just in Paris, but all over France, where they are effectively in control,” said Robert Spencer, who directs JihadWatch.org, a nonprofit that monitors Muslim extremists.

“They’re operating with impunity, apparently secure in the knowledge that authorities cannot or will not act decisively to stop them,” he said. “And with the universal denial and obfuscation of the clear motive for the Charlie Hebdo attack, they have good reason to think that.”

The attackers who killed 12 people at the offices of the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo claimed to be members of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. Witnesses said they spoke perfect French, a strong indication that they are homegrown terrorists who received help from AQAP or another group.

Mr. Kern said the connection between the attack and the Islamization movement is that French jihadis are becoming bolder in trying to stamp out any criticism of Islam.

“What they are trying to do is shut down any sort of criticism of Islam, any sort of speech, cartoons, discussion, anything,” he said. “Essentially, the French government and the other European governments have lost control over the situation. It’s a snowball that is growing bigger and bigger, in particular over the past 10 years.”…

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  1. noellsq says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    I do not understand if they do not like the country throw them out

    • Kris says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      How can you throw out 7,5 million people?

      • Myxlplik says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 4:51 pm

        From what I’ve heard most Muslims in France live in “No Go” zones. There actually is a recent president from the late 80’s early 90’s when the Bulgarian army surrounded Turkish towns with tanks and began repatriating Turks to Turkey. I’d imagine it would look like what happened in Bulgaria recently.

        • Myxlplik says

          Jan 8, 2015 at 4:52 pm

          **** cities in Bulgaria with majority Turkish populations **** I should say.

        • Myxlplik says

          Jan 8, 2015 at 4:55 pm

          …precedent… Darn iPad. Anyways, they were Turkish majority cities in Bulgaria.

        • TH says

          Jan 8, 2015 at 6:24 pm

          The first thing they need to do is to open up the no-go zones, with the army and tanks to partrol them. Apply the laws which arleady exist, for instance cutting welfare payment for polygamous muslims and a whole lot more. Investigate the mosques and the imans and close them down if they are hotbeds for promoting jihad. In a word make the West inhosptiable for them and offer the most peaceful of them money to leave. That would save them money in the long run on welfare. In the UK, 75% of muslim women don’t work and 40% o men. They are sponging the Welfare State.
          If they are not citizens, expell them. If they are inovlved in jihad and have dual citizenship revoke the European one and expell them. Little by little many of them would leave especially if they got some money to go. As I say, that would save the State money and most of them are just loafers with no work ethic.

        • good points there says

          Jan 8, 2015 at 8:55 pm

          That is interesting. I only just read up on the history of the Turks in Bulgaria after I read your post. The problem of Muslims being there has never been fully negated…the muslims are never happy and are always working against the Bulgarian population. The Bulgarians were wise to force them back to Turkey. Turkey should be a Christian country as well, but they were subjugated by Persian and Arab invaders. That is the alternative. Either submit or fight.
          The Bulgarians were wise enough to fight for their culture. We should be learning from history.

      • tilda says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 4:58 pm

        Wouldn’t have to move 7.5 million; would only have to move some the more problematic members of the community who don’t hold French citizenship and / or who hold dual citizenship.

        The modern world has the ability to move a significant number of people. Read an article online only this week which said that in 2014 the world’s airlines carried over 3 billion people.

        Can’t find that article now, but did locate a statistic which gave statistics for France in the period 2010 – 2014: a total of 66,733,562 passengers (national and international) were carried by air carriers registered in France. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR

        So, moving significant numbers of people is possible.

        However, I suspect that removing certain people would have to be part of a larger program. (The Allies undertook a denazification program for Germany and Austria after WW2, and which provides a possible and interesting precedent.)

        • tilda says

          Jan 8, 2015 at 5:01 pm

          Sorry, located “statistics for France” not “a statistic which gave statistics for France.”

        • nothosaur says

          Jan 9, 2015 at 5:08 pm

          I agree that something needs to be done to move the people who bring that brutal culture to the West.

          But, the statistics that you cite seem to show a number of people who were moved voluntarily.

          How many can we move involuntarily?

      • chanah says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 6:04 pm

        the army the navy should do the trick Franch is not fare from the M.E

      • bicky says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 8:46 pm

        They have to do that in the same way the spanish kicked out the moors from Spain.It is very painful,a lot of kuffar blood will be spilled , but no other way out.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 8:50 pm

        How do you do it?

        Bit by bit.

        FIRST OF ALL: you put a stop to all *further* immigration of Muslims into France. Cite the precautionary principle. When in hole, stop digging.

        Then get to work on whittling down the Fifth Column already present.

        Starting with the “low hanging fruit”.

        One obvious tactic: do nothing to stop those bent on joining Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, from so doing. BUT: as soon as you know they’ve gone, annul their passports and strip them of their French citizenship, which they have in any case repudiated by joining Islamic State.

        That would get rid of quite a few of the most immediately dangerous…and in lots of cases their females and dependants would go too.

        You Return to Sender all those Muslims who are discovered to be in France illegally; you revoke the citizenship of those discovered to have obtained citizenship by fraudulent means. (Determined, consistent and intelligent investigation would surely turn up a *lot* of those).

        Same deal for dual citizens; if they commit a crime of the ordinary kind (e.g. drug manufacture/ dealing, pimping, assault, armed robbery, welfare fraud) and / or are caught practising, advocating the practice or attempting to practise any aspect of sharia that violates French law (e.g. polygyny, FGM, wife-beating, forced marriage, child ‘marriage’) the “French” part of their citizenship is revoked and they get the boot, back to the place from which their ‘Muslim-country’ citizenship derives. I think that would get rid of a lot of Muslims.

        And you cease to give French citizenship to those Muslims already in France who haven’t yet got it. A temporary residency; and that residency to be revoked, and the person given the boot, the moment they commit a crime.

        All of these measures would whittle the Muslim presence down considerably.

        At the same time you get to work on reasserting Infidel dominance in the ‘no go’ areas, and refusing ALL further accommodations with Islam. No more mosques; and *every* existing mosque found to be engaged in *anything* at all dodgy – they *all* get surprise-searched and investigated, minutely – gets shut down and then razed to the ground, with the imam/s and /or sheikh/s deported. Burqa and niqab ban strictly enforced. Muslims caught engaging in massed threat displays – aka ‘prayers’ – in the public thoroughfare get arrested and charged with public nuisance or blocking the right of way or whatever fits the bill.

        • valerie ebert says

          Jan 9, 2015 at 5:01 am

          Sounds pretty thorough and I am sure some politicians would have the guts to draw some laws to facilitate all this …but the Kouachi brothers are born in PARIS ! How many more 2nd generation nuts like them our Country can put up with ???

  2. Michael Copeland says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    “They feel very alienated from France”: yes, and satisfied with that feeling. They are INSTRUCTED in the mosques to alienate themselves from France.
    “Prophet said,
    ‘The Muslim nation is one nation to the exclusion of all others’.
    Muslim placard, Oxford Street
    Sharia march and Interview Oxford St March 25 – YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq4el7gyPas at 0.32
    25 Mar 2011 – ThinkAfricaPress

    • noellsq says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      They are conquering France by settiing up these enclaves. I do not understand if a person does not like a country why move there.

      • Don McKellar says

        Jan 8, 2015 at 1:40 pm

        Lots of reasons to move to France from a moslem rat hole country.

        Welfare. Health Care. Better climate. Lots of infidel women to rape. An idiotic political climate where you are coddled. Easier to drug deal (no beheadings, only the prison dawah if you get caught). Moslem enclaves where you can live under sharia law, just like you want. And you’re doing the “Great Work” and colonizing for Islam.

        Lots of reasons.

        • bernie says

          Jan 9, 2015 at 1:49 am

          That is why there have been anti-Islamization marches in Germany; most Germans are willing to give a chance to theindividual, but they see the crimes committed by a disproportionate number of Muslims in Sweden, the UK and so on, and they want to prevent it in their own country.

      • don vito says

        Jan 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm

        I believe they come because it is seen as a religous duty. To understand better, think of mohamid immigrating from mekka to medina.

  3. Don McKellar says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    The policies of wholesale immigration in an attempt to artificially grow economies, shielded by political correctness and the leftist media, has resulted in what will be generations of disaster for France. The nightmare is just ramping up. Civil war is the inevitable result. Rather than coming up with real economic solutions for the 21st Century, they have stuck their heads in the sand and kept with a 19th Century model for immigration. As a result, they have opened the doors to a colonizing, invasive “species” — and even now, in spite of the clear disaster that cannot any more be denied, they are still trying to ignore it and shift attention away. You ridiculous fools. And the same can be said for most countries in Europe.

    • Matthieu Baudin says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      Good analysis, but I doubt the civil war conclusion. In addition to what you’ve said there may also have been a desire to ‘transform’ society via large scale immigration i.e. as another method of social engineering that dreamy political malcontents like to experiment with.

  4. Walter Sieruk says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    As for that vicious and murderous jihad massacre that happened last Wednesday at Paris France. the question just might be asked “Why were this terrorists fiends so hate and malice filled that they committed such deadly violence ?” The answer to this “why” the Bible explains to the reason that those Muslim thugs were so very brutal malicious and deadly actions. For the Bible teaches that there are some people who are of such a awful and terrible, low character because they had “their conscience seared with a hot iron.” First Timothy 4:2. {K.J.V] The “hot Iron” is this case is Islam.

  5. Michael Copeland says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    How will Islam “rule the country one day”?
    The Charlie Hebdo Islamic jihad murders show us how – by armed force.
    Osama bin Laden asked:
    “Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit? Yes.”
    (The Al Qaeda Reader, p. 42)
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6244-sedition

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 1:43 pm

      “We are at war and I am a soldier.”
      Mohammad Sidique Khan, 7/7 bomber
      He was not heeded.
      http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/sep/02/uk.july72

  6. Salah says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    “Islam is a permanent part of France now. It is not going away,” Mr. Kern said. “I think the future looks very bleak.

    He’s right. It’s not going away.
    Many commenters regularly come up with the “deportation” solution. Sorry but it’s too late for that.
    The only solution to solve the problem is to help Muslims themselves leave Islam. It’s so easy, all you need to do is to FULLY implement the freedom of speech. And I mean FULLY; unveiling Muhammad and Islam on EVERY TV channel, on every news outlet, on every university, campus, etc. is our only and last chance to turn most Muslims into apostates.
    Free speech must be implemented at all costs, even by FORCE.

    Unveiling Muhammad:
    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html

    • katnis says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      Thumbs up to this comment. Now to get the networks on board. Social media is a good place to start. Thank God for jihadwatch.org

      #jesuischarlie
      #vivelafrance

    • mortimer says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 5:10 pm

      I agree with Salah. There must be a full exposure of the absurdities of Islam and the moral ineligibility of Mohammed to be left alone with children or women or dead bodies.

      Deprogramming Muslims is the only way to make the world a safe place.

    • gail griffin says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 5:44 pm

      Sahla you are right. Expose the inability of muslims to leave islam. Show that their ancestors were conquered by islamic warriors who gave their ancestors the choice to convert or die. Show the fact that islam requires family members to kill anyone showing interest or wanting to get out of islams tenacles. How’s that for cleverness?
      Islam needs to be shown as slavery and stop all this PC ‘ Religion of Peace’ crap. Islam needs to be seen as what it really is.

  7. KrazyKafir says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    “They feel very alienated from France. This is why radical Islam is so attractive because it gives them a sense of meaning in their life.”

    This burns me up when I here simpletons putting it that way, like the “alienation” is France’s fault. They have no intention of integrating into France, and don’t want to integrate.

    • KrazyKafir says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 1:44 pm

      oops, hear.

  8. Angemon says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    The problem is a lot of these younger-generation Muslims are not integrating into French society. Although they are French citizens, they don’t really have a future in French society. They feel very alienated from France.

    And whose fault is that?

  9. patches says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    But all the papers are telling us that it’s the Europeans that are isolating these poor misfortunate souls and that’s why they are being so badly turned by the Imans …..What a flippin lark !

  10. obsidian says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    Wait till the rockets home made in garages and back lots start being launched from these enclaves into the rest of France.
    Then there will be an real up roar.

    • Ernie says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 3:34 pm

      Better : DON’T WAIT ( and take immediate action ), Obsidian . But that’s what you mean I assume ?

  11. katnis says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    Beautiful, beautiful France and its rich cultural and intellectual heritage. Think of how the world has changed for the better because of the french people: Louis Pasteur, Marie Curie, Louis Braille, Voltaire. We have the metric system, cinematography, modern diplomacy, contributions to aviation, and so on.

    The photograph here demonstrates the muslim contribution of blocking progress. It is astonishing.

    Which country is next? Vive la France.

  12. Wellington says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    My God, Muslims can’t even pray with dignity. The manner of Muslim praying, with asses in the air, is simply ridiculous. It’s why I often call them “Buttlims.”

  13. gp says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    “No Go Zones” throughout France- W T and a whole lot of F!!! Too dangerous for police because to go into because that is where the dominant jihadi networks plan their murderous slaughters and other evil deeds..

    6 million Muslims turned France into another one of their retched hives. A shame that ISLAM is known to be diametrically opposed to civilized society and polite company, but that poison is allowed into Western countries in direct opposition to their cultures of freedom, liberty, peaceful coexistence and tolerance .

    • gp says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      Sorry…sticky “W” key, it is like a Clinton ploy

  14. Louis says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    France needs to arm its populace to protect it’s Sovereignty. Gun control policies mean that the terrorists, criminals and an invisible Army are the only ones with guns. This supplies a target rich environment for radical action against a deliberately disarmed society. . These enclaves should be surrounded by outlaw biker gangs who are armed and extremely dangerous. Maybe the residents will get the message and go back to Ar-Raqqah so we can drone their asses.

  15. rubiconrest says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    Wars, guns and policing will not solve the Islam problem. What can solve it is using a technique that Islam has employed for centuries. First France must provide an acceptable faith option for Muslims that is secular with carefully trained Imams. This gives all moderates an acceptable option. Since Islam is a political system as much as a religion it should be treated differently than a religion and more like a dangerous political or extremist party. Mosques, Islamic institutions and Muslims themselves, who do not conform to the new legislated secular Islam, have to pay extra taxes. The construction or opening of new Islamic institutions that don’t conform to the approved Secular Islam would be banned. These restrictions and taxes would be imposed on this specific ‘political party’ due to the identifiable problems created by the faithful such as polygamy, FMG, domestic violence, anti-semitism, general criminality etc. Muslims who wish to practice their faith in an orthodox manner will thus have the option of returning to their countries of origin or paying extra taxes.

    • Ernie says

      Jan 8, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      Dear Rubiconrest , sounds fair to me !

  16. Jackbo Godfrey says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    After the Paris events yesterday, the masses and the leaders remain in denial. The insane policies and belief in appeasement get bigger and more unstoppable.

    Jihad Watch is a lone voice in the wilderness but since when does truth ever draw a crowd.

    God bless; and thinking Alaska looks pretty good too.

  17. MKG says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    Self segregation. I have seen it everywhere. People like to hang with their own. That is fine, but remember this, every man, woman and child needs a place to stand and where we stand we like to be in charge. This is where the conflict comes in. Without the conflict or in place of conflict, people who have segregated themselves from the majority scream racism anytime it suites them.

  18. Marken says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    Nothing would surprise me except peaceful and permanent integration!

    Though it doesn’t look likely at this time, there are other possible outcomes rather than permanent division of France into a free state and sharia states or the complete Islamization of France with total Sharia enforcement.

    Other posters have mentioned them, massive re-education, massive apostate movements, deportations, unforeseen occurrences, wars. But at some stage I believe there will be a complete elimination of Islam and its prophet through an act of the Almighty, how or when I couldn’t even guess, perhaps by some unforeseen military victory by Israel or simply by massive exposure to the Truth by means we haven’t considered.

  19. albert says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    The situation is irreversible ? Nonsense, we non muslims have a choice, let the western left ally with Islamists to destroy our society or fight against them, but we must recognise that the liberals are the enemy of freedom along with the Jihadists.

  20. Spot On says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    It is hard to believe the citizens of Europe have allowed their corrupt politicians dilute their vote by importing Muslims as citizens the way they have. They even allow them to set up Sharia law in their Muslim villages.Thankfully our country would never do that. (sarc.)

  21. katherine says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    Europeans deserve to be slaves in future because they are the most stupid animals on earth.

    Don’t they realize that Islam is primarily a suppressive Political System similar to Nazism and Fascism? The religious part of it is a clever disguise to give it unquestionable authority – a tool not conceived by such simpletons as Marx – one that can be wielded by politicians to control the majority of semi-literate proletariat.

    The situation suits Europe because the continent has regressed so much in education that Europeans are close to Afghan status in knowledge and mentality – perfect situation for Islamisation.

    Just look at Russia, China and India. Their Muslim populations would make Europe laughable and yet
    their laws are strictly secular because their governments DO NOT GIVE IN to sharia demands.
    Furthermore since these perpetrators of Islamic supremacy are highly militant, there’s no hesitation at all to use the Army to enforce COMPLIANCE TO NATIONAL NORMS. These creatures have absolutely no respect for human rights begin with.

    European leaders today are unfortunately too weak minded. Look at another example: Singapore, where these radicals attempted to force public schools to be compliant with religious laws. The government simply took a stand – YOU COMPLY to Singaporean Laws or ship out.

    Cowardice and Hypocrisy will eventually do the Europeans in. We see a Pope who sees no evil even while Christians are being slaughtered or persecuted – he even talks about dialogue with the enforcers
    of the ‘Peaceful Religion’ after his own ex-Syrian Bishop had warned that compromise is taboo for them. The concepts of human rights and and political correctness are both cowardly shields skewed to appease the muslims and suppress European citizens who are being forced by their own leaders to keep quiet with one-way criticisms against non-muslims considered the norm.

    And finally the EEC’s continual forced acceptance of these hostile immigrants against all regard for culture and security of Europe – simply incomprehensible suicide !

    Oh, and don’t forget the few hundred nuclear warheads the Muslims would love to get hold of once they capture France and UK. Russia may be forced to Nuke these 2 countries one day if it comes to that. Meanwhile if there is a Ferdinand and Isabella around please step up – Europe needs you.

  22. Salah says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    I look at the picture above with sadness, and I ask myself where do they get their power?
    Unfortunately, the answer is clear:
    Their power comes from their numbers.
    Our weakness comes from the murder of our unborn babies.

    “for the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light.”
    Luke 16:8

    • Jax Tolmen says

      Jan 9, 2015 at 3:35 am

      Really. I would say it comes from the Western world’s propensity for suicidal projection on aliens to try and understand their motivations through flawed perceptions.
      We still outnumber them massively in the West. They make up tiny percentages of our populations.
      This has nothing to do with abortion.

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Jan 9, 2015 at 4:28 am

      I understand that you wrote your comment from a Christian perspective, but as a non-Christian my answer would be somewhat different. Muslims’ power comes not only from numbers but also from the fact that Muslim societies are very centralized under the mullahs. And thanks to the fact that Islam is a political ideology, the mullahs are not simply religious clerics but also community/ political leaders. A single mullah can direct hundreds of followers.

      So when a Muslim works towards some goal (as directed by his mullah), s/he does it with a lot less concern and a lot more zeal as s/he is full aware that s/he has the backing of 1) his/her mullah, and 2) other Muslims. And that is where the power comes from!

      • don vito says

        Jan 9, 2015 at 2:22 pm

        If immigrating to the west was made haram, perhaps this could be the basis for reducing the moslem numbers in the west. How to square this with secular law I’m not sure, but thinking from the moslem religous pov it could be part of the peace process in the west.

  23. Jose says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    Charles Martel and those who fought in the Battle of Tours are twisting themselves in their graves! Respect to those who fought to prevent THIS…

  24. Jeff says

    Jan 8, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    Islam is waging war not at our doorsteps, but in our houses.

  25. Fatherjon says

    Jan 9, 2015 at 2:30 am

    Similar ghettoisation in Australian cities although nowhere near as bad as in Europe.
    They gradually take over entire streets, intimidating non-Muslims to sell up and move out.

  26. Charles Singh says

    Jan 9, 2015 at 10:17 am

    IF YOU CAN’T MOVE 7 MILLION PEOPLE FINE BUT AT, LEAST DON’T BRING MORE OF THEM IN!!

  27. Another Guest says

    Jan 9, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Perhaps if the French and all other Europeans realized in the near future their prized cultural icons would be turned to dust as the Buddhas were when islam moved in they would be more upset than losing themselves altogether. I’m talking about things like L’Arch d’Triomphe crumbled to the ground, Le Louvre gutted of its beautiful paintings and other such atrocities that are inevitable when moslems take over and implement sharia.

  28. Bill says

    Jan 11, 2015 at 8:28 am

    I know there’s a lot of mus lums , but modern civilization is going to isolate the hateful ones & most countries will list them as uncivilized idiots !!

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