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French PM: “The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is used to silence people”

Jan 17, 2015 12:48 am By Robert Spencer

Manuel-Valls2Valls also says, ““It is very important to make clear to people that Islam has nothing to do with ISIS.” How exactly he proposes to do that is unclear, at least if he intends to be honest, since what the Islamic State does all has foundation in the Qur’an and Sunnah. But he is absolutely right about this: “There is a prejudice in society about this, but on the other hand, I refuse to use this term ‘Islamophobia,’ because those who use this word are trying to invalidate any criticism at all of Islamist ideology. The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is used to silence people. ”

“French Prime Minister: ‘I Refuse to Use This Term Islamophobia,’ by Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic, January 16, 2015:

The prime minister of France, Manuel Valls, has emerged over the past tumultuous week as one of the West’s most vocal foes of Islamism, though he’s actually been talking about the threat it poses for a long while. During the course of an interview conducted before the Charlie Hebdo attacks, he told me—he went out of his way to tell me, in fact—that he refuses to use the term ‘Islamophobia’ to describe the phenomenon of anti-Muslim prejudice, because, he says, the accusation of Islamophobia is often used as a weapon by Islamism’s apologists to silence their critics.

Most of my conversation with Valls was focused on the fragile state of French Jewry—here is my post on his comments, which included the now-widely circulated statement that, “if 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be France”—and I didn’t realize the importance of his comment about Islamophobia until I re-read the transcript of our interview.

“It is very important to make clear to people that Islam has nothing to do with ISIS,” Valls told me. “There is a prejudice in society about this, but on the other hand, I refuse to use this term ‘Islamophobia,’ because those who use this word are trying to invalidate any criticism at all of Islamist ideology. The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is used to silence people. ”

Valls was not denying the existence of anti-Muslim sentiment, which is strong across much of France. In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack, miscreants have shot at Muslim community buildings, and various repulsive threats against individual Muslims have been cataloged. President Francois Hollande, who said Thursday that Muslims are the “first victims of fanaticism, fundamentalism, intolerance,” might be overstating the primacy of anti-Muslim prejudice in the current hierarchy of French bigotries—after all, Hollande just found it necessary to deploy his army to defend Jewish schools from Muslim terrorists, not Muslim schools from Jewish terrorists—but anti-Muslim bigotry is a salient and seemingly permanent feature of life in France. Or to contextualize it differently: Anti-Muslim feeling appears to be more widespread than anti-Jewish feeling across much of France, but anti-Jewish feeling has been expressed recently (and not-so-recently) with far more lethality, and mainly by Muslims.

It appears as if Valls came to his view on the illegitimacy of ‘Islamophobia’ after being influenced by a number of people, including and especially the French philosopher Pascal Bruckner and the writer (and fatwa target) Salman Rushdie. Rushdie, along with a group of mainly Muslim writers, attacked the use of the term ‘Islamophobia’ several years ago in an open letter: “We refuse to renounce our critical spirit out of fear of being accused of ‘Islamophobia’, a wretched concept that confuses criticism of Islam as a religion and stigmatization of those who believe in it.”

Bruckner argued that use of the word ‘Islamophobia’ was designed to deflect attention away from the goals of Islamists: “[I]t denies the reality of an Islamic offensive in Europe all the better to justify it; it attacks secularism by equating it with fundamentalism. Above all, however, it wants to silence all those Muslims who question the Koran, who demand equality of the sexes, who claim the right to renounce religion, and who want to practice their faith freely and without submitting to the dictates of the bearded and doctrinaire.”…

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  1. Georg says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 12:51 am

    It’s about time.. I was relieved to see how irate he was when condemning Deudonne (or however it’s spelled- not dignifying it with a google search). It’s past time to play patsy with these fools. This man LEADS.

    • Jae M says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 am

      I agree. Finally some good people are emerging from the politically deceived. My prayer is others speak up as well.

  2. Richie says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 12:57 am

    The Muslims need to be driven back, the ones in Europe sucking off welfare like leeches yet advocating murder need to be deported back to their 3rd world Islamic hellholes

  3. No Fear says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:12 am

    “The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is used to silence people.”

    Valls must be an Islamophobe to say something like that.

    🙂

    • RagingInfidel says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 10:03 am

      A phobia is fear, yes, but it is an irrational fear. Seems to me that there is nothing irrational about fearing an ideology that teaches its followers to hate you and to kill you because you’re not one of them. Therefore, nobody has to worry about “islamophobia” because it doesn’t exist.

      Admit it, you have a “healthy fear of Islam.” Try using that argument against the mealy-mouthed liberals who use the word “islamophobia” and watch their heads explode.

    • Anonymous says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 12:53 pm

      Does a man who swerves to avoid a crash suffer from accidentophobia?
      Does a man who wears warm clothing in winter suffer from coldophobia?
      Does a man who speaks against littering suffer from litterophobia?

      ‘Islamophobia’ is a loaded nonsense-word intended to belittle legitimate criticism of islam as cowardice. I for one, have no fear of this ideology; I recognize it for the vile filth it is and will speak and act as I see fit.

      • voegelinian says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 3:50 pm

        Well, there is a logic to the PC MC anxiety about “Islamophobia” (just as a person suffering from OCD, for example, can have his own logic about his obsession). The logic here basically hinges on a concern to prevent a reasonable fear of Islamic terrorism from morphing into general measures taken against the majority of Muslims who are putatively deemed to be innocent of, and disconnected from, that Islamic terrorism. When PC MCs encounter the rhetoric of those in the Counter-Jihad, the PC MCs impulsively think the latter are going beyond merely warning about Islamic terrorism to using dangerously generalizing language that might have the effect of vilifying multitudes of innocent Muslims.

        That in a nutshell is the logical kernel of the dynamic. From there, it doesn’t take long to notice many complications and incoherence that unfold in the PC MC responses. Not to delve into the details of those complications here, I will only note that the incoherence of the PC MC logic as it unfolds all revolves around a vast swath of reality they insist on denying (for it threatens their entire paradigm) — namely, that the problem of Islamic terrorism is not merely a matter of a tidy Tiny Minority of Extremists cleanly and easily delimited from multitudes of a Vast Majority of over a Billion Nice Innocent Muslims Who Just Want to Have a Sandwich; but is rather increasingly showing disturbing signs of being a systemic problem — i.e., a problem that is much, much broader and deeper throughout the societies of the international Muslim World (a World increasing interpenetrating into our Western world). And not only is it a systemic problem (rather than a neatly truncated problem of a Tiny Minority of Extremists); there is also a disturbing mountain (or raging volcano) of data indicating that it is a metastasizing problem; id fucking est, that it is getting much, much worse, in a bloody mountain of shit hitting the motherfucking fan while we continue to blink stupidly with our pants around our ankles sort of way.

  4. pdxnag says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:20 am

    Sounds mushy, like he’s almost ready to state the obvious.

    • Matthieu Baudin says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 8:08 am

      Agreed pdxnag, it does sound a bit mushy but Valls is rapidly rising up the list of politicians whose opinions are worth listening to.

  5. Jack Holan says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:34 am

    I wish we could publicly get this into the hands of Obama,half a dozen Newspapers and several news anchors. I could prove to be powerful

  6. Salah says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 2:37 am

    Above all, however, it wants to silence all those Muslims who question the Koran, who demand equality of the sexes, who claim the right to renounce religion, and who want to practice their faith freely and without submitting to the dictates of the bearded and doctrinaire.”…

    Those Muslims he’s talking about are actually potential future apostates. When Muslims start using their brains they’ll eventually leave Islam. And when they do, they become the fiercest enemies of Islam.

    http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html

  7. john oliver says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:36 am

    World war 3 will be with islam and we will win again. then like germany maybe muslims will join the real world

  8. Michael Copeland says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:51 am

    Islamorealism and Islamonausea are still available.

  9. cs says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 4:15 am

    He is raising the game guys.

  10. Jim says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 4:29 am

    When will western “leaders” wake up to the fact that these jihadists are just doing what their book says to do

  11. duh_swami says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 5:16 am

    It’s not really Islam…When you dig down to the bottom of many leading Islamophobes both in Govs, the MSM and talking heads on cable, there is appeasement and deflection…If you listen carefully, many of the most vocal against Islam/jihad/terror have a caveat of some kind. Hannity is an example claims he read Quran 3 times then said the religion had been hijacked. He must have read a different version than I did. Others will constantly remind us that there are peaceful Muslims and only a few go for this jihad stuff. Very few will come right out and say, ‘It’s Islam Baby’…For some reason that seems to choke up a lot of people…Strange but true.

  12. Archpries Lawrence Cross says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 5:39 am

    Why Christians Do Not Get Violent About Insults. 2nd Version
    The appalling murders of the Charie Hebdo cartoonists have focussed attention on fundamentalist Muslims’ violent reactions to religious insults. But few have asked the question: ‘Why do Christians not react that way?’ Certainly there have been enough examples of denigration and incitement, such as the notorious PissChrist episode. Charlie Hebdo, for its part, also did its share of mocking Christ and the Church. The answer points to the real legacy of universal tolerance that underpins Western civilisation.
    The protests after the murders have pitted two very partial views of the world against each other. On the one side we have people on the fringes of Muslim tribalism rejecting the society in which they live. On the other side, we have secular positions on freedom of expression that are notoriously selective and easily co-opted by vested interests. In this secular view, creating images of Mohammed that are deliberately offensive is seen as a blow for free speech. Yet doing the same thing against other groups – denying the Holocaust, for example, or demonising people on the basis of race — is seen as a crime. Free speech is constantly constrained; it is not an absolute. Nor should it be. We are not allowed to shout ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre when there is none, and precisely because of the harm that such irresponsibility might cause to real people. However, just before the murders, France, supposedly the bastion of free speech, became the first Western democracy to ban public protests against Israeli actions in Palestine. Even more bizarrely, just days after a free speech rally in response to the murders, 54 people were arrested for expressing their views. They were charged with “glorifying” or “defending” terrorism.
    Neither Islam nor secularism offer universality. Contrast the position of Apostolic Christianity, which is the real foundation of tolerance in Western civilisation, a fact often sinned against, but true. The Christian God is universal in every sense. God created the universe, his Son is incarnate in the world, and all humans are equal before Him. No wrong doing, which is committed by all of us, is fundamentally different from any other. Without Christ, no sin is redeemed. With Christ, all sins can be redeemed.
    Both the taunts directed at Muslims and the murders that occurred in response to the taunts come within that universality. Whereas the Muslims or the secularists see it as a contest of values, Christians see it as all coming within the same universal value. That is why Christians do not see insults against them as an existential threat, requiring violent defence. It is simply another sin in a world that needs Christ for redemption of sin. In that sense, we are all the same, because we all sin.
    There is a long tradition in Christianity of the fool figure, the clown who told the rulers the truth. In Eastern Christianity holy fools held a mirror up to society. Satire can have a political and civic value. But that is not what Charlie Hebdo was doing. Their activities were more a matter of deliberate incitement, which tragically provoked the violent criminals who murdered them. It is one thing to say that this kind of provocation should be tolerated in a liberal society. But it is quite wrong to see it as an act of freedom and tolerance in itself. It was very far from that. And those who whack a wasps nest can scarcely be surprised when they are stung.
    Only Christianity’s universalism offers a way out of these clashes. Because we are all sinners who can be redeemed by Christ’s love, we are all fundamentally equal. There are no tribes, no “us versus them”, there are only people who take advantage of what is offered and people who do not. This message is not easy to digest, but it is undeniably universal.
    It is very different from Islam, which is deeply tribal and is based on the teachings of a prophet. A prophet heads up a religious group who believe they have a special insight and position. It lends itself to “us versus them”, even when there are admonitions to be tolerant of other religions (as do exist in some Islamic teachings).
    The activities of this Prophet are also hardly encouraging. According to Islamic sources, Mohammed, an Arab tribal leader, personally executed his enemies in large batches. In one case he tortured a rival tribal leader, then killed him and married his wife. His sexual practices, described in authoritative Islamic sources, are deeply disturbing to modern eyes and hardly offer a timeless guide for moral behaviour. It makes a stark contrast to Christ, who was involved in an unthinkable act of sacrifice as both man and God.
    As the founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, concluded, “Islam is the theology of an immoral Arab” (one wonders why he was not targeted for assassination). Muslims have good reason to examine their religion closely and at least conclude that violence committed in defence of the Prophet does not sit on especially solid foundations.
    There has been extensive disinformation, starting in the seventh century, to create the impression that Islam is a religion of peace. There have been periods of reasonable co-existence, but most of Islam’s history has been one of violence. The first 250 years of Christianity’s existence was persecution by the Roman State and martyrdom. Islam came out of the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century, sword in hand, saying: ‘Convert or die.’ In their origins, the two religions could not be more different. Later, of course, Christianity was much abused militarily, but those were its beginnings.
    Islam separates the world into believers and infidels, the latter being worthless before God. Christianity does not separate people at all. It says we all have worth, because God loves us, it is only a matter of accepting our salvation. Christianity thus offers human beings true freedom. The Christian God loves all men and women, sinners and righteous alike. The rebellion of the sinner cannot dislodge or nullify the unconditional love of God.
    Contrast this with the Islamic teaching on so-called apostasy, for which people are killed. It demonstrates that the favour of Allah is highly conditional. The brutal punishments that are meted out for deviating from sharia law are the most graphic demonstrations of Islam’s tendency towards tyranny. The God that comes out of the desert in the seventh century demands submission: the actual meaning of the word ‘Islam.’ That God is so great that a loving relationship with human beings is impossible. Hence the grim fatalism: Allah is compassionate and merciful, but only to the submissive, but he dwells at the infinite distance of transcendence, and is so radically free that he can change His mind at any time about the believer’s fate, even willing evil over good, so radical is his freedom.
    These are questions for Muslims to consider. It is also incumbent on Christians to assert that the universalism at the core of their religion is the true antidote to the clashes that are emerging. It is telling that the framers of the Constitution of the European Union could not manage to include even one sentence acknowledging Christianity’s role in shaping European civilisation. With such a cringing attitude toward their own religious heritage, it is small wonder that they cannot handle the Islamic threat.
    As impressive as were the French protests over Charlie Hebdo and the terrorist atrocities , quoting the slogans of the French Enlightenment as a counter to terrorism is like opposing a Kalashnikov with a water pistol. The two world views are irreconcilable; there is no possibility of a universal solution emerging.
    Traditionally and in the past, La Belle France was described as the First Daughter of the Church. The true answer to the Muslim extremists is to be found not in Voltaire’s cleverness and in that of his cultural heirs, but in the universal apostolic Christian faith embraced by Clovis at Notre Dame de Reims in 496/99 AD.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 10:00 am

      Christian God is universal in every sense.

      “They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”
      Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals!

      Deuteronomy 20:16
      However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
      Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

      1 Samuel 15:2-4
      2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
      3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
      4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
      A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

      Psalm 137:8-9
      8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
      9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

      • mortimer says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 10:56 am

        These Bible verses are not universal. There is no evidence such atrocities occurred. Jews do not today act in these ways, nor have they in the past. However, Muslims have murdered 270 million through the sacred act of jihad. Jihad still occurs. Every private Muslims is an authorized jihadists who can commit murder of a blasphemer or apostate. Sharia law has no punishment for Islamo-murder.

      • Champ says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        Sneering “shabeer_hassan” wrote:

        “Christian God is universal in every sense.”

        And then he proceeds to support this claim by using old testament scriptures–scriptures that describe a certain time in history, before Christ; and on top of it all, he is using these old testament scriptures completely out of context.

        The passages he quoted are not prescriptive for all time, as the deceitful “shabeer_hassan” claims, here, when he wrote, “Christian God is universal in every sense”.

        Old testament verses need to be better understood and not taken out of context, so this answer from “Got Questions” should clear-up the disinformation once and for all …

        Question: “Why did God condone such terrible violence in the Old Testament?”

        Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-violence.html

        Incredible

      • Angemon says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 3:34 pm

        shabeer_hassan posted:

        “Christian God is universal in every sense.”

        Don’t muslims claim they worship teh same God as Christians and Jews?

        ““They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses”

        Lol. Islamic doctrine is based on listening and repeating, dulling the sword of critical thinking, otherwise poor shabeer would have notices the contradiction – or at least left out the part where they identify the enemy (the Midianites, a specific set of people in a specific time) as to make it seem universal.

        I could parse the rest of hassan’s post, but I believe his first two sentences are enough to prove that nothing he writes should be taken seriously…

    • Western Canadian says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 3:03 pm

      Including holocaust denial, which is Jew hating based on lying about the mass murder by hitler and co., throws the rest of your speech into very, very muddy waters. And I am NOT referring to a blues singer.

      No excuse for that being included.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 5:44 pm

      Archpries Lawrence Cross wrote:

      Satire can have a political and civic value. But that is not what Charlie Hebdo was doing. Their activities were more a matter of deliberate incitement, which tragically provoked the violent criminals who murdered them.
      …………………………….

      Charlie Hebdo first started receiving Muslim death threats when they dared reprinting the Danish MoToons.

      All these cartoons do is note that Islam is violent and a danger to freedom of speech.

      Can it be that you believe this has no political or civic value?

      The idea that this is “deliberate incitement” is *appalling*. Don’t you realize that under Islam *any* criticism or even questioning of that violent creed is considered “deliberate incitement” deserving of death.

      Robert Spencer and other Anti-Jihadists receive a never ending stream of death threats from pious Muslims for daring to point out how violent Islam is.

  13. Charli Main says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 5:52 am

    As long as those political elites, that are supposed to defend and protect their citizens, continue to deny that Islam is the enemy, the Muslims will continue to win this war.
    Islam survives because Muslims continue to believe in and practice the instructions given to them in the Koran, Hadiths and Suras.
    Not every Muslim takes to the streets with a knife and AK 47 but THEY ARE STILL MUSLIMS.

  14. Angemon says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:05 am

    Isn’t it revealing that Valls had to start his interview by saying “ISIS has nothing to do with islam”? It must be some kind of reflect, like blinking when hearing a loud noise.

  15. wildjew says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:18 am

    Maher Rips Liberals for ‘Extreme Bullying’ on Islam: You’re Part of the Problem

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-rips-liberals-for-extreme-bullying-on-islam-youre-part-of-the-problem/

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      Yes—good stuff from Bill Maher last night.

  16. Oliver says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:23 am

    That was encouraging apart from the bit about how what Isis does is not Islam – as Robert says, of course, what they do can all be deduced from Islamic texts, they just take it to an extreme. But ‘extremism’ wouldn’t be a problem if those aspects weren’t there. Somehow moderate Muslims need to find a way of dealing with the problem that is Mohammed being seen as the perfect man and the Koran being seen as eternally preexistant and perfect word for word from God – plus the fact that the life of Mo and the text of the Koran, contain violence and intolerance. That seems a combination that is always going to lead to some violent extremists, at the worst, or, at a step down, just people who don’t integrate well in western societies and have backward opinions. I don’t know what the solution is. It’s fine if moderates just want to ignore these aspects and do their thing, but they can’t just deny they’re there, even though they try to by constantly saying the extremist violence has “nothing to do with Islam”. Somehow the religion has to evolve to be more modern and self criticial.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 10:07 am

      QUALITY OF MUSLIM
      20: 82. And verily, I am indeed Forgiving to him who repents, believes (in My Oneness, and associates none in worship with Me) and does righteous good deeds, and then remains constant in doing them, (till his death).
      22: 41. Those (Muslim rulers) who, if We give them power in the land, (they) order for Iqamat-as-Salât. [i.e. to perform the five compulsory congregational Salât (prayers) (the males in mosques)], to pay the Zakât and they enjoin Al-Ma’rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism and all that Islâm has forbidden) [i.e. they make the Qur’ân as the law of their country in all the spheres of life]. And with Allâh rests the end of (all) matters (of creatures).
      22: 77. O you who believe! Bow down, and prostrate yourselves, and worship your Lord and do good that you may be successful.
      25: 70. Except those who repent and believe (in Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allâh will change their sins into good deeds, and Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
      27: 89. Whoever brings a good deed (i.e. Belief in the Oneness of Allâh along with every deed of righteousness), will have better than its worth, and they will be safe from the terror on that Day.
      90. And whoever brings an evil (deed) (i.e. Shirk polytheism, disbelief in the Oneness of Allâh and every evil sinful deed), they will be cast down (prone) on their faces in the Fire. (And it will be said to them) “Are you being recompensed anything except what you used to do?”
      28: 54. These will be given their reward twice over, because they are patient, and repel evil with good, and spend (in charity) out of what We have provided them.
      28: 67. But as for him who repented (from polytheism and sins, etc.), believed (in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad SAW), and did righteous deeds (in the life of this world), then he will be among those who are successful.

      • mortimer says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 11:07 am

        Shabeer,
        Who do you think you’re talking to? To novices? To the uninformed?

        Shabeer,
        We’ve read your books…all of your books. We understand Islam. You’re an idiot, face it.

        This is such a thin argument (when you know about ‘naskh’), I don’t know why you would try it. You must be a moron.

        The Meccan verses of the Koran which you quote have all been abrogated. Abu al-Kasim Hibat-Allah bin Salama (d. 1019) argued that the starting point of any investigation of the Qur’an is the science of abrogating and abrogated verses.

        Even certain hadiths abrogate the Koran! Ali Dashti (1894-1982), a traditionally-trained Iranian scholar who served sporadically in parliament during the first half of the twentieth century, accepted the explanation that revelation of the Qur’an was linked to Muhammad’s need to answer queries and his need to respond to random incidents. He also suggested that abrogation implied human rather than divine provenance for the Qur’an.

        Chapter 9 of the Qur’an, in English called “Ultimatum,” is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation and jihad against unbelievers. It is the only chapter that does not begin “in the name of God, most benevolent, ever-merciful.”

        Because this chapter contains violent passages, it abrogates previous peaceful content. Muhsin Khan, the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari, says God revealed “Ultimatum” in order to discard restraint and to command Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as against the People of the Book if they do not embrace Islam or until they pay religious taxes. So, at first aggressive fighting was forbidden; it later became permissible (2:190) and subsequently obligatory (9:5). This “verse of the sword” abrogated, canceled, and replaced 124 verses that called for tolerance, compassion, and peace.

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 11:46 am

        @The Meccan verses of the Koran which you quote have all been abrogated.
        WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FROM AUTHORIZED SCRIPTURES Abu al-Kasim Hibat-Allah bin Salama,Ali Dashti NOT VALID

        9TH CHAPTER SAYS ABOUT TREATY OF NON MUSLIM ,NOT ABROGATION, WHO BREAK THE AGREEMENT IE…TERRORIST..
        9:1 Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikin (idolaters), with whom you made a treaty.
        فَسِيحُواْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ أَرْبَعَةَ أَشْهُرٍ وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّكُمْ غَيْرُ مُعْجِزِي اللَّهِ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ مُخْزِى الْكَـفِرِينَ
        9:2 So travel freely (O Mushrikin) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the punishment of) Allah; and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
        KEEP THE TREATY FOR PEACEFUL NON MUSLIM

        9:4 Except those of the Mushrikin with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty for them until the end of their term.

        9:6 And if anyone of the Mushrikin seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur’an) and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
        THAT MEANS PROTECTION OF NON MUSLIM(peaceful) RESPONSIBILITY OF MUSLIM

        Prohibit killing non Muslim with peace agreement:
        8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
        9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
        4: 90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.
        91. You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 49
        Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Amr:
        The Prophet said, “Whoever killed a Mu’ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”
        Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 53 :: Hadith 391

        I THINK U GOT THE ANSWER…

        • Angemon says

          Jan 18, 2015 at 3:46 pm

          shabeer_hassan posted:

          “WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FROM AUTHORIZED SCRIPTURES”

          quran 2:106
          Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?

      • Jay Boo says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        After spending many years saying the “five compulsory congregational Salât (prayers)”, Muslims are reluctant to break their Islamic shackles because this would be an admission that all those prayers invested in the Allah piggy bank have been all for nothing and a total waste of time that they can never get back.

        If Allah of Islam was all powerful Muslims would not need to get so freaky mad at anyone mocking Allah or Muhammad or the Koran.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 pm

        The appalling Muslim apologist shabeer hassan wrote:

        QUALITY OF MUSLIM
        20: 82. And verily, I am indeed Forgiving to him who repents, believes (in My Oneness, and associates none in worship with Me) and does righteous good deeds, and then remains constant in doing them, (till his death).
        ……………………………

        This means that Muslims believe that “Allah” is often forgiving towards pious Muslims as long as they are waging violent Jihad in his name—why would good Infidels here care about that?

        More:

        22: 41. Those (Muslim rulers) who, if We give them power in the land, (they) order for Iqamat-as-Salât. [i.e. to perform the five compulsory congregational Salât (prayers) (the males in mosques)], to pay the Zakât and they enjoin Al-Ma’rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism and all that Islâm has forbidden) [i.e. they make the Qur’ân as the law of their country in all the spheres of life]. And with Allâh rests the end of (all) matters (of creatures).
        ……………………………

        Here, he is lauding Muslim tyrants who enforce brutal Shari’ah and oppress and murder non-Muslims. Again, why would we be impressed with this?

        More:

        27: 89. Whoever brings a good deed (i.e. Belief in the Oneness of Allâh along with every deed of righteousness), will have better than its worth, and they will be safe from the terror on that Day.
        ……………………………

        Notice that Muslims don’t use words the same way we do. For us, a good deed would be something like feeding a child, funding a hospital, or rescuing someone from a burning building. Not for Muslims. For Muslims, the only “good deed” is aiding the spread of Islam, even if this is done violently.

        More:

        90. And whoever brings an evil (deed) (i.e. Shirk polytheism, disbelief in the Oneness of Allâh and every evil sinful deed)…
        ……………………………

        And note that, conversely, an evil deed is not raping a little girl, enslaving victims, or waging genocide—instead, it is only disbelief in the vicious Allah. But almost any atrocity done in his name is perfectly Halal.

        More:

        28: 67. But as for him who repented (from polytheism and sins, etc.), believed (in the Oneness of Allâh, and in His Messenger Muhammad SAW), and did righteous deeds (in the life of this world), then he will be among those who are successful.
        ……………………………

        In other words, if you convert to Islam and wage violent Jihad, you will not be murdered by other Muslims.

        More:

        9TH CHAPTER SAYS ABOUT TREATY OF NON MUSLIM ,NOT ABROGATION, WHO BREAK THE AGREEMENT IE…TERRORIST..
        9:1 Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikin (idolaters), with whom you made a treaty.
        ……………………………

        In other words, it is not necessary to respect any treaty made with an Infidel, and Muslims may slaughter them with impunity.

        As for abrogation, the reason this is salient here is that Sura 9 was the penultimate verse “revealed”, and hence abrogates all previous Suras. Hence, Muslims may murder Infidels without caveat.

        More:

        9:6 And if anyone of the Mushrikin seeks your protection then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur’an) and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
        THAT MEANS PROTECTION OF NON MUSLIM(peaceful) RESPONSIBILITY OF MUSLIM
        ……………………………

        No, it doesn’t. It means don’t murder Infidels who “hear the Word of Allah”—i.e., who convert to Islam.

        And when Muslims talk about offering “protection” to Infidels, they never note who they are offering protection *from*—their own murderous coreligionists.

        Paying crushing “Jizya” is the original protection racket. Moreover, the dhimma can be broken if *any* Infidel dares to criticize Muslim oppression and violence, in which case any Infidel in the community is fair game.

        And notice that shabeer hassan conveniently skipped the infamous Qur’an 9:5, which is known as the “Sura of the Sword”:

        “And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

        The second part of this verse, of course, only suggests mercy for those who victims who convert to Islam rather than being butchered.

        More:

        I THINK U GOT THE ANSWER…
        ……………………………

        I’m afraid so—loud and clear. And it isn’t very pretty…

      • Angemon says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 3:38 pm

        shabeer_hassan posted:

        “QUALITY OF MUSLIM”

        According to the quran, they’re the best of people:

        quran 3:110
        You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah . If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.

        And non-muslims are the worst of people:
        98:6
        Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

        The quran should be qualified as hate propaganda, and anyone who believes this “quality of muslims” crap should be considered a mentally insane hate monger.

  17. Emilia Fimitrova says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:38 am

    Jornalists must stop using the phony word “islamophobia” and begin to use the real word INFIDELOPHOBIA describing the real face of muslims! Islamic doctrine is poisonous for humanity! There is no defference between Islamic terrorists and “moderate” islamists who hail each terror act against western democracy and culture!!!

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 10:14 am

      @ Islamic doctrine is poisonous for humanity! ……

      BROTHER PLZ PROVE HERE WHAT ISLAMIC DOCTRINE POISON TO HUMANITY?
      People blood & properties, were honors and protected/sacred like Mecca:
      4: 148. Allah does not like that the evil should be uttered in public except by him who has been wronged. And Allah is Ever All Hearer, All Knower.
      17: 70. And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibât (lawful good things), and have preferred them above many of those whom We have created with a marked preference.
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 67,105
      Narrated Abu Bakra:
      The Prophet said. No doubt your blood, property, the sub-narrator Muhammad thought that Abu Bakra had also mentioned and your honor (chastity), are sacred to one another as is the sanctity of this day of yours in this month of yours. It is incumbent on those who are present to inform those who are absent.” (Muhammad the Subnarrator used to say, “Allah’s Apostle told the truth.”) The Prophet repeated twice: “No doubt! Haven’t I conveyed Allah’s message to you.
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 199
      Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 81 :: Hadith 776
      Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 26 :: Hadith 795,797,798
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 539
      Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 685,688
      Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 69
      Muslim :: Book 16 : Hadith 4160,4161
      Keep the right of people:
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 638
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 41 :: Hadith 591
      Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 38 :: Hadith 501
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 473,474
      Narrated Jarir bin ‘Abdullah:
      Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.”

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 11:30 am

        SECT MUSLIM-MUSLIM RELATIONSHIP
        8: 46. And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).
        Muslim :: Book 39 : Hadith 6752
        Jabir reported: I heard Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension amongst them.
        Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 114
        Narrated Said bin Jubair:
        The people of Kufa disagreed (disputed) about the above Verse. So I went to Ibn Abbas and asked him about it. He said, “This Verse:– “And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell.” was revealed last of all (concerning premeditated murder) and nothing abrogated it.”
        Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 428
        Narrated ‘Uqba bin ‘Amir:
        One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, “I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things.”
        Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 30
        Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:
        While I was going to help this man (‘Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakra met me and asked, “Where are you going?” I replied, “I am going to help that person.” He said, “Go back for I have heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.’
        Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4866
        Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah ; AbuTalhah ibn Sahl al-Ansari:
        The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: No (Muslim) man will desert a man who is a Muslim in a place where his respect may be violated and his honour aspersed without Allah deserting him in a place here he wishes his help; and no (Muslim) man who will help a Muslim in a place where his honour may be aspersed and his respect violated without Allah helping him in a place where he wishes his help.
        Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4259
        Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit:
        The verse “If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein for ever” was revealed six months after the verse “And those who invoke not with Allah any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred, except for just cause in Surat al-Furqan.
        Dawud :: Book 39 : Hadith 4515
        Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
        Qays ibn Abbad and Ashtar went to Ali and said to him: Did the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) says….. The lives of all Muslims are equal; they are one hand against others; the lowliest of them can guarantee their protection……..
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 204
        Narrated Al-Hasan:
        (Al-Ahnaf said:) I went out carrying my arms during the nights of the affliction (i.e. the war between ‘Ali and ‘Aisha) and Abu Bakra met me and asked, “Where are you going?” I replied, “I intend to help the cousin of Allah’s Apostle (i.e.,’Ali).” Abu Bakra said, “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘If two Muslims take out their swords to fight each other, then both of them will be from amongst the people of the Hell-Fire.’ It was said to the Prophet, ‘It is alright for the killer but what about the killed one?’ He replied, ‘The killed one had the intention to kill his opponent.'”
        Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6853
        One who wields authority and is just and fair, one who Is truthful and has been endowed with power to do good deeds. And the person who is merciful and kind hearted towards his relatives and to every pious Muslim,
        Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4247
        Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
        AbdurRahman ibn Samurah said: I was holding the hand of Ibn Umar on one of the ways of Medina. He suddenly came to a hanging head. He said: Unhappy is the one who killed him. When he proceeded, he said: I do not consider him but unfortunate. I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: If anyone goes to a man of my community in order to kill him, he should say in this way, the one who kills will go to Hell and the one who is killed will go to Paradise.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 18, 2015 at 3:43 pm

          shabeer_hassan posted:

          “SECT MUSLIM-MUSLIM RELATIONSHIP”

          Muslim-Non-muslim relationship:

          quran 9:5
          And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

          quran 9:29
          Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

      • mortimer says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 11:42 am

        Shabeer,

        You are creating your own personal, idiosyncratic version of Islam. That’s ‘bida’ and all bida is sinful and punishable by the Islamic death sentence.

        You are promoting Islam-à-la-carte…a cafeteria Islam…a salad bar Islam.

        No doctrine in Islam is based on one verse of the Koran or one hadith.

        The point is this: Can you ‘forgive’ a blasphemer. The answer is: ‘No’.

        -“Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions… whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be EXECUTED even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir.” – Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438

      • Wellington says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 12:02 pm

        So, tell me, shabeer, what should happen to a Muslim who converts to another religion? Also, what should happen to someone who mocks Mohammed? Straight answers, shabeer.

      • mortimer says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 12:16 pm

        SHABEER,
        ISLAM HAS DOUBLE STANDARDS TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST KAFIRS AND PERSECUTE THEM WITH OBSCENE BRUTALITY

        Koran 48:29 is a verse that clearly and unmistakably, perhaps even deliberately, contradicts the Golden Rule:

        Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
        Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the unbelievers (kufaar),
        Compassionate amongst themselves.” (Richard Bell’s translation)
        ________________________________________
        “Muhammadun Resoulu-llaahi, wa-ladhiina ma’ahu ashidda’u ‘ala-l kuffaari, ruhama’u baynahum.” Koran 48:29

        The Arabic Word ‘ASHIDDAA’
        The Arabic (aSHiddaa3u) word covers a very broad semantic field and the specific meaning depends on the context in which the word is used. It’s usual meanings include powerful, sharp, ardent, extreme, strong, intensive, rigorous, severe, vehement, quick, violent, and vigourous. The above adjectives make the ayat even more severe and discrinimatory. If the verse in question is to be understood in the context of self-defense against physical attacks by unbelievers, then words like harsh, terrible, implacable are proabably correct. If the verse is to be understood in a broader, religious context, then a better choice would be made from words like strong, ardent, severe, stalwart, unmoved, unremitting, uncompromising, etc.

        A recurring theme in the Qur’an is opposition to disbelief and mutual support within the community of believers. There may be, however, a problem with the translation of this verse. The key word is rendered as “harsh” in your version. Other translators use
        other words. Yusuf ‘Ali uses “strong”. Rodwell uses “vehement”. Dawood uses “ruthless”. Palmer uses “vehement”. Pickthall uses “hard”. In French, Grosjean uses “dur” (harsh or hard) and Kasimirski uses “terrible”. Ben Mahmoud uses “implacable”.

        But in any context, the ayat implies the application of a double standard whenever one is wronged by a non-believer as opposed to a believer.

        From the “Reliance of the Traveller”.

        “The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians” Book O: Justice, Chapter O-9.0: Jihad, Reliance of the Traveller.

        “The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim”, Book O: Justice, Chapter O-9.0: Jihad, Reliance of the Traveller.

        SHABEER! If you reject this, you are an apostate, you have left Islam and must be killed by other TRUE MUSLIMS.

      • mortimer says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 12:24 pm

        Shabeer,
        Your first word ‘brother’ is a lie. A true Muslim never calls a KAAFIR ‘brother’. You must be guilty of bida. TRUE MUSLIMS have a duty to execute you for innovation and heresy.

      • cjk says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 4:56 pm

        @ Shabeer How about child rape/pedophilia which you ‘profit’ loved and practiced?

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 6:49 pm

        More spam from the appalling shabeer hassan:

        @ Islamic doctrine is poisonous for humanity! ……

        BROTHER PLZ PROVE HERE WHAT ISLAMIC DOCTRINE POISON TO HUMANITY?
        People blood & properties, were honors and protected/sacred
        ………………………………

        It is clear that people must convert to Islam for their blood and property to be safe from Muslims.

        Bukhari (8:387) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us…”

        If you *don’t* convert, then your property and your life is fair game for any Muslim thug.

        More:

        SECT MUSLIM-MUSLIM RELATIONSHIP
        8: 46. And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.)…

        The people of Kufa disagreed (disputed) about the above Verse. So I went to Ibn Abbas and asked him about it. He said, “This Verse:– “And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell.” was revealed last of all (concerning premeditated murder) and nothing abrogated it.”
        ………………………………

        What the meretricious shabeer hassan will not tell you is that the above quotes have nothing whatsoever to do with other sect Muslims, who are regarded as “heretics”, and through Takfir, are not considered real Muslims at all.

        This is why Muslims of different sects may butcher each other with impunity.

      • Angemon says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        shabeer_hassan posted:

        “BROTHER PLZ PROVE HERE WHAT ISLAMIC DOCTRINE POISON TO HUMANITY?”

        Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Allah’s Messenger said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (There is no god but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”

        Sahih Muslim 33—The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

  18. Bonnie Loranger says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 8:58 am

    That’s a Start but he is still saying that that Islam has nothing to do with ISIS.

  19. mortimer says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 10:48 am

    Manuel Valls is wrong! He claims without evidence: “Islam has nothing to do with ISIS.”

    Fr Henri Boulad of Alexandria refutes this baseless generalization:

    “Islamism is Islam!

    This claim is neither arbitrary nor fanciful. It does not stem from either prejudice or provocation or from a fanatical or intolerant position, or from an obstinately negative or reductionist position.

    On the contrary, I believe this claim is perfectly consistent with Islam’s history and geography, with the Koran and the Sunna, with the life of Mohammed, with the evolution of Islam, and with what Islam says about itself. I refute the position of all those—be they Muslim or Christian—who veil their faces, play the ostrich, waffle, refuse to see reality in all its objectivity or indulge in wishful thinking…all in the name of ‘dialogue’ or ‘tolerance’…

    Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.

    Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.”

  20. mortimer says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 11:18 am

    Shabeer, Who do you think you’re talking to?
    To novices? To the uninformed? Are you a moron?

    You see, Shabeer: We’ve read your books…
    …ALL of your books. We understand Islam. You are an idiot, for thinking you’re tricking anyone at Jihadwatch. Face it! Is that the best you’ve got…an exclusion of evidence argument based on cherrypicking?

    You have made such a thin argument (when you know we know about ‘naskh’-abrogation), I don’t know why you would even try it! You must be a total moron.

    The Meccan verses of the Koran which you quote have ALL been abrogated or CANCELLED. Abu al-Kasim Hibat-Allah bin Salama (d. 1019) argued that the starting point of any investigation of the Qur’an is the science of abrogating and abrogated verses.

    Even certain HADITHS abrogate the Koran! Ali Dashti (1894-1982), a traditionally-trained Iranian scholar who served sporadically in parliament during the first half of the twentieth century, accepted the explanation that revelation of the Qur’an was linked to Muhammad’s need to answer queries and his need to respond to random incidents. He also suggested that abrogation implied human rather than divine provenance for the Qur’an.

    Chapter 9 of the Qur’an, in English called “Ultimatum,” is the most important concerning the issues of abrogation and jihad against unbelievers. It is the ONLY CHAPTER that does not begin “in the name of God, most benevolent, ever-merciful.”

    Because this chapter (9) contains violent passages, it abrogates previous peaceful content. Muhsin Khan, the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari, says God revealed “Ultimatum” in order to discard restraint and to command Muslims to fight against all the pagans as well as against the People of the Book if they do not embrace Islam or until they pay religious taxes. So, at first aggressive fighting was forbidden; it later became permissible (2:190) and subsequently obligatory (9:5).

    The “verse of the sword” (9.5) ABROGATED, CANCELLED, and REPLACED 124 VERSES that called for TOLERANCE, COMPASSION, and PEACE.

    Islam, after the revelation of Chapter 9, became the RELIGION OF THE SWORD. After Chapter 9…NO MORE MERCY!

  21. Littlenan says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    It is very predictable. Muslim atrocity followed by cries of racism and bigotry against those who are outraged. I am really tired of politically correct politicians crawling to Islamists. The Islamists are the ones doing the killings, not those who are targeted and outraged by their wicked behaviour.

    • Paella says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 5:00 pm

      Yes, exactly. I admit it almost leaves me in shock. Islamic terrorists killed the folks at Charlie Hebdo, and then Muslims blamed the Hebdo cartoonists (“Oh but the prophet!!”), and made them out to be the bad guys.

      And along come the liberals to handhold the Muslims and agree with them that the Hebdo cartoonists were the bad guys.

  22. Paella says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    It is like a fire breaks out in your living room, and someone says, “Pay no attention. Let’s keep watching the movie.”

    To blame others for what Islam does, is a psychological trick. There’s a lot of propaganda out there to get people to pretend it isn’t Islam. If it isn’t Islam, what is all this caused by? Disney characters in Disneyworld?

  23. Angry says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    The lefto-fascists won’t silence me, and if they even tried to, I will send them to hell! Mark my words!

    I hate lefto-fascists.

    Am I racist for hating lefto-fascists?

  24. Wellington says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    I’m so sick of Justin. The guy’s a loon. Totally. He harms the anti-jihad cause. In fact, I sometimes catch myself thinking that if Muzzies were really smart (which they are not), Justin would be the perfect double agent. Just sayin’.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      I couldn’t agree more, Wellington. If he is not an apologist for Islam, he might as well be.

    • Angemon says

      Jan 18, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      I’ve been thinking that since his day 1, particularly because he had a few traits shared by a MIA islamic troll. He can file the edges, but he can’t hide the stench.

  25. gravenimage says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    French PM: “The charge of ‘Islamophobia’ is used to silence people”

    Valls also says, ““It is very important to make clear to people that Islam has nothing to do with ISIS.”…
    ……………………..

    Manuel Valls is *not* perfect, and spouts many of the same false sobriquets whitewashing Islam that most Western leaders do—but by current standards, he has also been quite forthright about the terrible threat we face from Jihad, and the need to speak out freely about it.

    While I remain somehat guarded, over all I am quite heartened by his words.

  26. Rich says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    as France jails the people who criticize islam..

  27. Beatrix17 says

    Jan 18, 2015 at 12:50 am

    I wouldn’t get too excited about Vallis if he thinks Islam has nothing to do with ISIS. And Buckingham Palace has nothing to do with England.

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