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Germany: Catholic priest banned from preaching after speaking at anti-Islamization protest

Jan 22, 2015 2:36 pm By Robert Spencer

PEGIDA15.12.2014It’s the same all over the world: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.” — Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, February 8, 2013

But this polite silence about the mass murder of Christians will not end the jihad against Christians and Christianity. The Church, at least for now, has made a decision to go quietly into the night, and accept a future of persecution and subjugation. Unless there is some massive change in the ecclesiastical culture, you can see what the Catholic Church will look like in 100 or 200 years by looking at the remnants of the Eastern Churches that have lived under Islamic rule for centuries. They are tiny, cowed, fearful, and must endure an ever-present low-level persecution.

This isn’t inevitable. But current Church policy is hastening the day of its arrival.

“German priest muzzled for speaking at anti-Islam protest,” Associated Press, January 21, 2015:

A Catholic priest in Germany has been banned from preaching after speaking at an anti-Islam protest.

The Rev. Paul Spaetling had taken part in a rally in the western city of Duisburg on Monday. It was organized by a group that associates itself with the organization Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the West, or PEGIDA, which has staged large weekly rallies in Dresden for about three months.

The diocese of Muenster said in a statement emailed to The Associated Press on Wednesday that it rejected Spaetling’s comments about Islam.

The bishop of Muenster, Felix Genn, says he’s withdrawing Spaetling’s right to preach or speak on behalf of the Church.

Another PEGIDA-related group is planning to hold a protest in Leipzig late Wednesday, saying it expects tens of thousands to attend.

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  1. Columba says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Pope St. Pius V, who organized the Battle of Lepanto, is spinning in his grave.

    • Wellington says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 3:18 pm

      So is Urban II.

      • josepxicot says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 3:57 pm

        Pope Urban II was the pope who ask for warriots to go to Holy Land,to get out the muslims,
        This Pope was known as the crusades´s Pope,as the things are going as these are,we need
        enought faith to ask for another pope,who could ask to warriots for get out the muslims out
        of occident.

      • duh_swami says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 8:11 am

        I understand the ‘Please don’t hurt me’ attitude, but I don’t share it.
        The spiritual Guide to Rasool Obama, the Holy Reverend Al-Sharpton, said, ‘Resist we much’…Cowards don’t resist, they beg, and pay the jizya….

    • Thomas Hennigan says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm

      Also, Blessed Pope Innocent XI, whose strenous diplomatic efforts were able to bring about the intervention of King Jan Sobieski of Poland and rout the Turks at the gates of Vienna on September 11-12 1683. Going on to Riome, taking the Vatican and converting St. Peter´s Basilica into a mosque was the express aim of the Turks, who had an amy of 150,00. Not to mention a whole host of other popes who prolciamed the cruzades, beginning with Urban II. Pope Innocent III proclaimed a cruzade in Spain in 1212 which brought about the decisive victory of Navas de Tolosa and the the eventual expulsion of islam from Spain. Half of the catholic populaiton world wide come from evangelization by Spanish missionaries. The Pope has just been in the Phillipines, one of the countries evangelized by Spain, thanks only to the defeat and expulsion of the muslims in the Reconquista.

      • Wellington says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 9:00 pm

        I am no more Catholic, Thomas Hennigan, than Winston Churchill was, but the Great Man was an admirer of Innocent XI and detailed why in the second volume of his “A History Of The English-Speaking Peoples.” Thought I would convey this to you. And, as is almost always the case, I have no disagreement with what Churchill asserted.

  2. katnis says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    I grew up Catholic. The Catholic church moves slowly when it comes to pretty much everything. After all, we are on God’s time.

    On one hand, the church has a history of silence when it comes to certain issues. On the other hand, some outspoken Catholics have changed the world for the better with their outspokenness, perseverance, and vision. Look at Dorothy Day, Mother Jones, Mother Teresa, etc. Not without controversy, and at odds with church leadership, they all made a contribution that saved lives and made a difference today. Perhaps Fr Spaetling could be another one to promote change? I don’t know.

    Good for Fr Spaetling for speaking in themes that the Catholic church should be familiar with: peace, love, truth, social justice, community, and so on. The priest at my church usually makes a blanket statement about global unrest and world peace. Islam hasn’t been mentioned so far.

    Let’s keep the conversation flowing and let’s continue to be brave enough to tell the truth. And let’s hope that other priests follow Spaetling’s lead in communicating to their congregations.

    • umbra says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 4:23 am

      The Church is not moving away from the faithful, but many of those leading the Church are moving away from her. In the process, these “leaders” are leading many astray.

      Things about the church today:
      1) There are many useless prelates in the Church – cowardly and lacking leadership.
      2) There are also many dangerously destructive prelates in the Church (e.g. the bishop of Rome, walter Cardinal kasper).
      3) There are very few good prelates left within the Church.

      The Church however is not these leaders although it is often assumed as such. The church comprises of all the faithful.

  3. George says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    I’m assuming Islamists reciprocated by booting a few Islamosupremicist looney tune imams?

  4. Bezelel says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    The Bishop needs to be reminded that suicide is a mortal sin.

    • Martin Vink says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 3:24 pm

      . . . after his suicide?

      • Bezelel says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        Choosing to do nothing about the islamic threat is suicidal enough

        • godwin says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 5:35 pm

          The Pope is offering his right cheek after the islamist strikes him on the left. Let Europe be “crucified”, then he is happy.

        • umbra says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 7:39 pm

          @godwin

          Does not appear that the bishop Rome is offering his own cheeks, but others’ cheeks.

  5. Prinz Eugen says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    The new confused pope will have to check with his sidekick, “:father” Kerry, on how to deal with priests who are still Catholic! The new pope will welcomes islam into the Vatican, and they jihadists take that as a sign of surrender. The pope should be world aware by now and realize “compromise” is not in the vocabularies of communists and islamists.

    Surely, the Church must have a “recall” system when they finally realize the massive blunder they have made with this faux pope?

  6. bobm says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    au contraire… “the church”… Rome etc. has chosen the path it has always chosen.. the path of heresy.. blasphemy , birthing a beast supposedly of darkness and Light… you cannot serve 2 masters.. Jesus is Lord…

    • Salah says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      This site is dedicated to fighting against jihad, not against the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
      I am a Catholic myself, and I disagree with Pope Francis. In fact, I consider him to be an anti-Christ. That said, I’ll ALWAYS be a Catholic. The Catholic Church is Holy, individuals are not.

      “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18

      • Jen says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 7:17 pm

        Many Protestants are too often subtly or overtly rude to other Christians and those ones are often ignorant as well. They should be set in their place because I’m tired of hearing it and biting my tongue. It’s one of their defining qualities in my mind because I don’t notice this quality to be common among other Christians. You can provide reams of nonsense that has come out of so many of what could pass as a church today. There’s a lack of consistency among the many Protestant branches, especially in regards to the “spirit” behind what each church teaches so no wonder “church shopping” is common until they find one they’re happy with. So many of them say that other Christians don’t have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. How many times have I heard that? What utter garbage. “Jesus is Lord” and “you can’t serve two masters” is the type of wording they throw around when talking to non-Protestants to imply that other Christians have “lost sight” of that. It’s just the common type of speak they use at these churches/on their blogs and they just regurgitate whatever they’ve heard with no foundation. I’ve been to these churches and I’m not impressed. It doesn’t represent the Christianity that I know. Especially the ones which don’t even have a place to kneel; but yet have plenty of time to send their “missionaries” around the country to convert those poor “non Bible Believing” Christians. Non-Protestants, especially Catholics, defend your faith. Stop allowing these people to say these things and misconstrue what you believe. That’s why I keep hearing the same phrases again and again- it became popular and acceptable to be so ignorant because nobody told them to be quiet.

        • Darren says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 9:56 pm

          “Jesus is Lord” and “you can’t serve two masters” is the type of wording they throw around when talking to non-Protestants to imply that other Christians have “lost sight” of that. It’s just the common type of speak they use at these churches/on their blogs and they just regurgitate whatever they’ve heard with no foundation.”

          Jesus IS Lord, not a bloody statue. The pope or any of his henchmen can NOT forgive sin, only Jesus can. As for having “no foundation” well read your Bible if you have one. Mary was the mother of Christ but she has(d) NO spiritual power.

        • Jen says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm

          Oh geez Darren. Robert probably can’t post anything about Catholics doing anything wrong on this blog without bringing out the loons. I thought you weren’t a Christian. Or are you just another one by name or a recent convert who spews a lot of holy rolling nonsense as well? Yep, I’ve got a Bible Darren. And it’s on my cell phone which I carry with me everywhere. Bye Darren.

        • somehistory says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 12:16 am

          Jen, you wrote: Stop allowing these people to say these things and misconstrue what you believe. That’s why I keep hearing the same phrases again and again- it became popular and acceptable to be so ignorant because nobody told them to be quiet

          “nobody told them to be quiet…”
          Are you telling others who quote the Bible to *be quiet*?
          Are you saying that what you believe is the *correct* belief….that churches must have places to kneel and that people shouldn’t be free to find a church they feel happy with? And that everyone that says something with which you disagree should just *be quiet* because everyone is *spewing* nonsense?

          Free speech means that each of us has to hear…or read….possibly until we are *tired* of hearing/reading things with which we disagree. Unless we just stay home and off the phone and internet and don’t watch television or listen to the radio and can’t hear noisy neighbors.

        • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 12:30 am

          Some: You’re misconstruing Jen’s words. I’m an attorney in the 1st amendment area (Free Speech). I’ll take it from here:

          Jen is advocating, I believe, that Catholics who get sick and fed up with Catholic hate respond assertively. You know: Tell these fools to ‘shut up’; correct them, point out their stupid ignorant statements. Oh-and it need not be done ‘nicely’!

          That’s a right that Catholics have Some. Yes: We too are allowed to react! And Some? Jen’s not advocating that the jerks be FORCED to stop speaking. She’s not asking that it become ILLEGAL for these clowns to spew their stupidity in re: The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Holy Rosary, the blessed Saints, etc. Unlike CAIR: Jen’s REALLY not doing that.

          So Jen’s offended absolutely nothing in the 1st Amendment in her remarks, Some. Hopefully, tho’, she’s ‘offended’ the absolutely obnoxious, unutterably ignorant ‘Christians’ who know nothing about their religion except that it requires them, 24/7, to insult the One, True, Holy Roman Catholic Church.

        • somehistory says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 1:17 am

          Kath,
          I didn’t realize Jen consulted an attorney to make a *reply* to my questions.
          I am not Catholic. Never have been inside one of its churches. I have a very close friend whose family sent her to a convent for her schooling. I would never think of *insulting* her by words against her former faith, the faith of her dear mother and other family members. And I would never think….or say…that Catholics do not have a right to freedom of speech. The *rights* given to one are given to all as they come from our Heavenly Father who created the mouth, tongue, lips, voice box and gave us language.

          But, I also am free, as other non-Catholics are, to say that I don’t agree with its teaching. Not agreeing does not make what i say an *insult.* So, there are people who come to the site, and comment on subjects such as this one which directly affects this Catholic man who spoke out on islam, who are not Catholic, but allow as each one must choose each one’s own path. What each one feels answers their spiritual need.

          Then, we’ll have to let Christ sort it all out when He comes to “separate the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25:31-46).”

        • Jen says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 3:33 am

          Kathy, perfect. I’m not an American but you understood what I was saying. When did I say nobody had the legal right to do it? Nope. Nowhere. Just that the jerks should preferably tone it down or otherwise expect people to counter them. Especially when so grotesquely ignorant. Just a personal preference which I’m sure is shared by others. I studied Law as well Kathy, by the way.
          🙂

          Somehistory and others behave like ONLY Protestants have the right to react or be offended despite their very insulting remarks which often go far beyond just “disagreeing” like Somehistory would have people believe. But I’m sure Somehistory knows this because you would be blind not to notice how often Protestants do this. Too many of them exhibit a hair-trigger reaction to criticism which is what you, Kathy, mentioned is in common with a certain other group of people, ironically. Thank goodness the blueprint for Christianity differs hey 😉 The saddest part about it is that the holier-than-thou individuals behave as though they’re doing good for the world, when in my opinion, they could better spend their time doing something more worthwhile like charity work instead. Their attitudes are a major turn-off and that’s just another reason why I’ll never attend a Protestant church in future; even for the sake of convenience. I’d rather drive the extra few kilometres to save myself from hearing the ignorant remarks when you’re supposed to be there to worship.

        • somehistory says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 10:38 am

          Jen,
          Nailed it not! I wasn’t referring to any *legal* issue when I asked you the questions about what you said as to everyone *spewing nonsense*…all should just *be quiet* and the rest of your remarks regarding others whose beliefs with which you don’t agree. The *First Amendment* doesn’t apply to private blogs unless the blog owner deems it.

          If you read something others write, and you don’t like it because it doesn’t fit with what you think or wish to read, it doesn’t, of necessity, mean that you are correct in your thinking and they are wrong. And when you tell someone to *be quiet* or as Kathy said, *shut up*….this is no better than what you claim others are doing with which you are so *tired.* And you seem to be equating what *Protestants* and *Christians* do in their disagreements with your statements about Catholicism with what muslims do when someone rejects islam.

          Any time someone tells me to *be quiet* or *just shut up,* it makes it all the clearer to me that I must say what I think. And I’m not talking *legal* here, but you can take it that way if you wish.

          And since you didn’t answer my questions, that tells me you have no answers. RE:
          “…doesn’t represent the Christianity that I know. Especially the ones which don’t even have a place to kneel;..”
          Christ doesn’t *require* a “place to kneel” in a *church* building as a part of true worship.
          And He alone is Judge is a good commandment by Christ to remember (Matthew 7:1; and Luke 6:37 )

        • somehistory says

          Jan 24, 2015 at 4:44 am

          Philip,

          The First Amendment was written to keep the Federal Government from gaining too much control over citizens and preventing dissent. It was written so we could complain about what the president, congress, etc. do without facing prison or worse for expressing our views.
          This site has *moderators* who sometimes take comments off. Why? Because the owner, Mr. Spencer, has certain *standards* if you will, that may be violated…such as not being on topic or attacking others, etc. I do believe I have read them someplace before and sometimes, people do get their comments removed and are even not allowed to come back and comment again.
          If the First Amendment applied strictly as it does with the Federal Government, that would not be allowed to happen. Unless one engaged in profanity or threats that were decided to be in the category of a *crime.*
          The people who live next door to me regularly use profanity, which is really against the law in this state, but it is not enforced due to the fact there are too many *serious* crimes. So, they violate, but nothing happens except that I get to hear it against my will.

          Have you ever written to a newspaper to have your views on a particular subject expressed on the *opinion* page? The newspaper editors get to say *no* to your letter if they decide that it doesn’t meet their needs or *standards.*

          Television talk show hosts will sometimes kill the mike if their guest goes out of bounds, won’t stop talking and give the host or other guests a turn to speak or if they are yelling over everyone. I have seen this happen, not often, but I have seen it and heard it threatened on other occasions.

          The First Amendment is to keep the Federal Government from preventing political speech with which it disagrees. People, individuals and private businesses don’t have the power to lock people up if they speak in ways that offend them or make them angry or might make trouble. Slander and libel laws were written for those times when private citizens and companies need to address what someone has said or written about them.

          So, if someone comes in my door and begins the profanity that the neighbors do, I can, within the laws of the U.S. tell them to stop or leave. If they insult me, same result. If I want to insult the president or speaker of the house, etc. I can do that as long as I do not threaten. That is the application of the First Amendment.
          I hope I have answered your questions.
          I do my best not to offend or insult. I read many comments that, to me, may have offensive language, but it isn’t my site so I don’t have the right to tell others to be quiet or shut up. I don’t have to read them and many times, I don’t.
          Thank you for taking the time to ask and hopefully, my answer is an answer.

        • somehistory says

          Jan 24, 2015 at 12:48 pm

          Phil,J

          This will be my last reply to anyone on this thread. We are bound to disagree and that’s okay with me. I disagree with much that you stated as you evidently did with what I wrote.

          Firstly, finding someone who is writing on the internet is not as big of a problem as one might think…esp if that person resides in the U.S. and isn’t trying to *hide* from the authorities. And cyber crime is increasing, so therefore, so are the laws against it.

          Slander….is not the *written* word, so no one can *slander* another writing something here and be charged with *slander*….and that is not what I meant anyway. The laws against slander and libel were written to protect the private individual from the claim of “it’s my *right under the First Amendment* to say anything I wish to” and then defaming someone with whom they disagree.

          And, as I stated….the police have been notified of the neighbor issues and they do nothing. Filing a *complaint* as you suggest also does nothing. That is a lonely road in the legal system today…the police don’t want to be bothered with *petty* crimes. So if I can hear them, it’s my problem.

          Perhaps you have studied law. I don’t know whether or not. I have and still learning as the law keeps being written and judges keep *explaining* and over the course of some of the study, found that attorneys rarely *agree* with each other….but the real thing about them is….they take one side of the argument one day and vehemently argue for that side….and the next day, they can go into court on a different case and vehemently argue the opposite of what they said the previous day and they have no *problem* with doing that.
          Just as the SC and other jurists don’t agree…argue is a good term for them and lawyers as they do that most of the time. Adversaries….they certainly are in the court rooms.

          I on the other hand, due to my personal ethics could never be a lawyer because that kind of take one side to win and the next day take the other side to win is not for me. I see what I believe to be right and stick with it.

          This is a *private* blog unless Mr. Spencer has sold stock in it to others and they have board meetings and then it is still *private* in that people not holding stock…such as I…do not have any say in what is allowed, not allowed, whether it stays up and running or is shut down due to the stock holders deciding for one reason or another to do so.
          Or, the government goes off the deep end and shuts it down….which would be in violation of First Amendment protection unless the government could prove it represents a danger to the *public*….which members thereof can come and visit and even *say* stuff, but have no control over the content therein.

          Big companies that are said to be *public* aren’t really as the public doesn’t get to decide what goes on in the running of the company. Public…sell stock….private…do not sell stock. The general public….all of those people who are only stakeholders but don’t have much of a *say* in the running of the world.

          When the real lawyers catch up with today’s laws, they’ll have to begin anew with different laws and applications tomorrow.

          You have a good day watching your game. I’m off to relax with some art work.

      • zebo says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 7:21 pm

        tbh-jesus was standing on a rock(greek:petros) and said to petrus(greek:petros)
        on this rock he was standing on” i will built my church.”

        Imo it is no coincidence that the vatican(religious power center) was built exactly where the former power center(rome) was
        and building the center of christianity at the place o those people who killed him(romans)
        and disrespecting the original grave of petrus,digging his bones out of the earth and transferring them to rome is not gentlemenlike at all.

        • John C. says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 2:31 pm

          Zebo: Are you not aware that Peter was executed in Rome? That the Basilica of St Peter’s was constructed on the hill where Peter was buried after his execution?

      • Barry K says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 10:55 pm

        Salah
        Strange theology you got. Insist you are a catholic but protest and regard Pope as anti Christ. Don’t you know that you just renounce your Romam Catholic faith. If the Pope as head of the Roman Catholic Church is the anti Christ, then what do you think the body is? As a reformed Protestant, I regard the Catholic church as having moved away from the historical christian faith and doctrines but I would not even want to assume or be arrogantly sure that he is the anti Christ.

        • Salah says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 11:14 pm

          @ Barry K

          “If the Pope as head of the Roman Catholic Church is the anti Christ, then what do you think the body is?”

          I don’t want to us to switch from counter-jihad to counter-all-of-us. It won’t help our cause.
          So, I’ll only say this: the Pope IS NOT the head of the Church.

          “And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy.”
          (Colossians 1:18)

        • Barry K says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 12:03 am

          Salah
          Speaking against your Roman Catholic faith is your business. But the Pope is regarded by all Roman Catholics as the head of the Roman Catholic Church being the successor and continuity of Peter. The Catholism of which you profess to be of, is of Rome which is not the same as the universal Catholic Church ( where Christ is the head) which reformed church believes in. Anyway on what scriptural basis are you certain that the pope is the anti Christ. You say the fight is counter Jihad and asked others to focus on it. But yet you call the Pope with arrogant certainty the anti Christ and insulted millions of ROMAN CATHOLICS who by implication then are followers of the anti Christ.

        • Salah says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 1:24 am

          @ Barry K

          “Speaking against your Roman Catholic faith is your business”

          I’m speaking against a specific human being: Francis. My Roman Catholic faith is UNTOUCHABLE to the end of times.

          …………………………………………….

          “The Catholism of which you profess to be of, is of Rome which is not the same as the universal Catholic Church ( where Christ is the head) which reformed church believes in.”

          I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, the one that Jesus Himself founded on Peter (though a sinner.) I don’t believe in ANY other church.

          ……………………………..

          “Anyway on what scriptural basis are you certain that the pope is the anti Christ.”

          He’s not *the* antichrist, he’s *an* antichrist. There are many of them.
          He’s trying to destroy the Church from within, just as our PC leaders are trying to destroy our great Western Civilization from within. This will probably lead to a new schism, and the True Catholic Church will have to go underground…again.

          …………………………

          “But yet you call the Pope with arrogant certainty the anti Christ and insulted millions of ROMAN CATHOLICS who by implication then are followers of the anti Christ.”

          Again, catholics are not followers of any Pope, we follow the Catholic Church installed by Jesus. Any Pope could be the greatest sinner on earth, he could commit all kinds of crimes, he could try to destroy the Church, etc. One thing he can never do: change the teachings of Christ.
          Once a Pope sits on the Chair of Peter, and speaks in the name of Peter (ex cathedra), HE IS INFALLIBLE. He is not doing the talk, the Holy Spirit is.

          P.S. Please, let’s set our differences aside. We know we are different, but we also know that we don’t kill each other for that. We’d better unite and concentrate our efforts on the real target: jihad.

        • Barry K says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 5:26 am

          Salah
          The anti Christ or an anti Christ makes little difference. Anti christ means against christ. That is a big time accusation, worst still thrown openly at the pope honoured by millions as their Holy leader. You put him into the same category of all other notorious anti Christ meaning against Christ. Twist and turn as you like, but labelling the head of the Roman Catholic Church openly as an anti christ and insisting your ROMAN Catholic faith is untouchable is strange indeed. Just as strange as you calling people to focus on counter jihad but yet insult millions of Roman Catholics that their Pope is AN ANTI CHRIST. You can disagree with his views but to call him an Anti Christ is a careless expression of HATE.

      • St. Michael Defend Us says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 9:58 am

        To Barry K

        I don’t know if this reply will show in the correct order.

        I am a Roman Catholic myself, and I have no problem with what Salah has written. I thought he expressed himself very well. You are not a Catholic? Then don’t try to make his expressions fit in with your preconceived ideas about Catholic teachings.

        • Salah says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 11:54 am

          @ St. Michael Defend Us

          Thank you.

  7. Martin Vink says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    . . . but going to prison should not deter us from speaking the truth . . . and from defending Christianity and Democracy . . . considering that others gave their lives for us.

    It is hard to see how this will end well.

    When we allowed Islam to use free speech to kill free speech, we should have known that this would not go well. A movement that has 1400 years of abductions, rape, murder and deceit should never have been allowed the same rights as a religion that preaches love and equal rights. We keep trying to make Muslims happy people through winning their hearts and minds while they are murdering us . . . because the Koran tells them to do that. We knew that ages ago. That is why we went to Tripoli!

    While they were in Tripoli our response was easy. What are we going to do now? We don’t even have leaders who will tell the truth! It is ironic how we keep resisting Churchill’s advice. We did it before WW2 and more than a hundred years after the River War we are doing it again. Why were Muslims asked to leave India? To protect them from us?

    We could ask them all to move to Afghanistan or we could destroy their family homes when they commit atrocities . . . as if our leaders would have the fortitude to do anything to protect us. Then we could just wait until we are pushed into a civil war and wait for leaders like Jefferson to show us the way . . . but not until many are killed and our civilization is destroyed . . .

    Starting with air travel! No airline can sustain a loss in income for long. 911 sent a number of airlines to the wall. The financial balancing act needed to keep us flying is unsustainable in the smallest of disturbances. What we are facing is civil war . . . and we did it to ourselves.

  8. vlparker says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    They should make Fr. Spaetling the new pope and get rid of the current one.

    Yesterday on Breitbart I saw an article about a large explosion at a PEGIDA rally in Leipzig, Germany. They also said the demonstrators attacked journalists. I haven’t heard a word about it today. Was the article a sham?

    Also, check this out on the Steve Emerson controversy Did Emerson mean Bradford instead of Birmingham? Did he just get the name of the city wrong?

  9. Angry says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    More evidence, that the German government, enforced by the EU, is bowing to islam.

    By trying to enforce a ban on a persons right to oppose, such as ‘radical islam’, or just the muslim culture and its sharia law system, is denying the rights of the person to oppose. We’re supposed to be living in a ‘democratic’ society!

    The right to FREE SPEECH is suppressed by the opposition, the dictators of left-wing authoritarianism

    EU = Fascists!

    F**k it , the only hope is UKIP, the EU and its f**king ECHR! can f**k off. We can sort the riff-raff out ourselves, thankyou very much, and we’ll be able to tell the french, in a ‘lawful’ manner..

    YOU CAN KEEP THE F**KERS!.. AND WHILE YOU’RE AT IT.. HERE’S SOME MORE FOR YA!

    I like that idea.

    • pumbar says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 10:32 pm

      I agree 100%

  10. zebo says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    “At any given moment there is an orthodoxy,a body of ideas of which it is assumed
    that all right thinking people will acceppt without question.
    It is not exactly forbidden to say this,that or the other,but it is “NOT DONE” to say it…
    Anyone who challenges the prevailling orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness.”

    George Orwell(was obviously a prophet and knew whats coming)

    imo this pries should not miss this chance to become a german Le Pen.

  11. Angemon says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    The same church who, for decades, protected pedophiles lashes out at someone for speaking their mind. Good going!!!

  12. somehistory says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    Those Catholics (and any other denomination who claim Christianity) who wish to be friends of islam and not utter a discouraging word, should open their Bibles to Revelation and read 2:20-23 and 3:1-3. After reading, these ones, such as the guy who took away *preaching* rights from this man who spoke at the rally, pondering and the placing of oneself in the verses as those being spoken to by Christ is in order.

    And, were I a Catholic as this man is, I would tell the one *taking away the right to preach* that he doesn’t possess that *authority.* The *Church* either is the *Church founded by Christ* or it isn’t. If it is, then the right comes from Christ and what human can take it away? If it isn’t, and for some, like me, it isn’t, then it also follows…this man (or the *Church*) doesn’t have the authority to take away a *right* given by Christ to all who follow Him.

    The world is about to enter the greatest time of trouble ever seen (Matthew 24:21) and man can stop it. Even those who tell others they can no longer tell the truth.

    • somehistory says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 5:18 pm

      Error, error: No man can stop it! as opposed to what I wrote in my above comment. Oh, for perfection is typing and reading after typing!

  13. Salah says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    All Catholic priests should follow Rev. Paul Spaetling’s courageous example.
    Let the fat, lazy, coward, PC Bishops do the preaching themselves.

  14. Neil Jennison says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    I despair. I am a traditionalist Catholic…….for those of you who don’t understand that, maybe because you are not Catholic…that means I actually believe what the Catholic Church officially teaches…rather than the heterodox shit which this, frankly heretical Pope speaks.

    But this news doesn’t surprise me at all……

    • Salah says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 5:53 pm

      As I said in my comment above, I consider this Pope to be an anti-Christ.
      Our Holy Catholic Church has had its share of evil Popes throughout its history. Nonetheless, the Church’s teachings (dogma) have remained intact.
      Evil Popes (or Bishops / Priests) may end up in Hell themselves, but they can NEVER send us to Hell. We are protected by the Lord Himself.

      “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” Matthew 16:18

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        Salah and Neil: I’m with you; Latin Rite Catholic. As our holy priests say, ‘When you’re on a ship in the middle of the ocean in a raging storm, you don’t jump off ’cause you’ve got a few dodos in the wheelhouse…’

        God bless and reward this holy priest; I’m going to get his website and email him. This courageous man reminds me of our wonderful Fr. Michael Rodriguez who told the truth about the abomination of homosexuality, then was transferred to the nether regions for his bravery.

        As you have all said, ‘…and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it’. Jesus Himself said that! And nota bene: Our Blessed Lord didn’t say, ‘it won’t SEEM like the gates of hell aren’t going to prevail’…

        • Salah says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 1:36 am

          Thank you, Kathy. Popes come and go. The Holy Catholic Church lives forever. She’s Jesus’ Bride. Though made of sinners, Her teachings are pure, immaculate and immutable.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 6:43 pm

      Neil Jennings said:

      ”I despair. I am a traditionalist Catholic…….for those of you who don’t understand that, maybe because you are not Catholic…that means I actually believe what the Catholic Church officially teaches…rather than the heterodox shit which this, frankly heretical Pope speaks”

      Neil, I’m not a Catholic, not even a Christian, but I wonder if you’ve ever come across Anne Barnhardt’s web site ? Whilst I would vehemently disagree with quite lot of what she says (about gay’s, in particular), I do admire her for her uncompromising stand for what she believes in, much of which I consider to be good, and moral.

      She is definitely one who is a traditionalist Catholic; you may find her to be a source of inspiration.

      And as one who is an agnostic, but who nevertheless reads the Bible, there is much in the Bible which underlines the fact that Pope or no, Archbishop or no, those who flagrantly disregard what Christ said, can expect short shrift in the after-life. (if there is one).

  15. Thomas Hennigan says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    In my opinion the sanction is abitrary and has no basis in Canon Law, so that he should appeal to the Congregation for the Clergy and eventually to the Supreme Apostolic Signature (final Vatican court of appeal), should that be necessary.. Bishops are not suppposed to be dictators nor are they to sanction arbitarrily. The bishop would be forced to prove that the priest actually did anything wrong, promoted hatred of muslims or such. If he stood up there and stated some plain truths about islam, then there is no basis for the bishop’s action. Priests are not allowed to get involved in party politics or be candidates for election, as this could cuase division among the faithful who have legitimate autonomy regarding who they vote for. What he did does not come under this provision. There is also a doctrine of legitimate public opinion in the Church, proclaimed by Pope Pius X. I do hope he does appeal and finally win, so that a legal precedent can be set to put a check on such bishops who seem more interested in being politically correct than promoting the common good by proclaimin the truth about islam.

    • umbra says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 5:06 am

      When an ordinary puts the screws on a priest within his jurisdiction, that priests is screwed. If Fr. Spaetling is a diocesan priest, he would have promised to obey his ordinary. If he was from a religious order (unlikely since his preaching faculty appears to have been withdrawn directly by the bishop), then he would have to abide by the orders of the bishop, else he could be expel from the diocese.

      Fr. Spaetling has the right to appeal all the way to Rome, but that will take quite some time. Certainly, such an appeal would shed light on the bishop’s reason(s) for carry out such an action. However, it is improbable that the appeal process will go against the bishop. For one, that would leave the position (authority) of the encumbant bishop untenable. Two, such an outcome may clog the ecclesial appellate court with streams of complaints from disgruntle clerics.

      One thing one has observed regarding ecclesial prelates is that … a bishop is never (almost never) wrong, even when he is wrong.

  16. eib says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    The church is not defined by the pope. It is defined by scripture, the writing of the Patristic & Latin fathers and the sainted Doctors of the church.

    • umbra says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 7:54 pm

      someone better let that modernist jesuit bishop of Rome know that, if it is possible at all to penetrate his modernist jesuit anti-logic shield.

  17. Myxlplik says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    Here is a video showing the Reverend Paul Spaetling

    http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/duisburg/eindruecke-von-den-demonstrationen-am-duisburger-hauptbahnhof-id10254127.html?doply=true

    Does anyone know what he said, these are very truth averse times we live in, respect for the brave who risk it all by speaking out. I can only suspect his words rocked the boat for him to be crucified, so by those in power.

  18. sidney penny says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 8:10 pm

    What did the Pope say?

    The great BUT

    There is always a BUT.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1411409/ex-mi6-boss-warns-west-not-to-insult-islam

    Ex-MI6 Boss Warns West Not To Insult Islam

    “I rather agree with the Pope that, of course, the attacks in Paris were completely unacceptable and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever, BUT I think respect for other people’s religion is also an important part of this.

    “If you show disrespect for others’ core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn’t justify anything, BUT I think we just need to bear it in mind.”

    • Myxlplik says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 11:53 pm

      What the M16 boss misses in his point about respect is that the acts of violence by Muslims against people who insult Islam or their prophet are INCITED by the example left to them by their prophet and their religious dogma, not random emotion, but Law.

      The fact that this needs explaining is just retarded, trust me I’ve had to explain this to otherwise intelligent people before, probably they listened to Rush Limbaugh too much.

  19. Mild Bill Hickok says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Looks like the Nuremberg trials missed a few

  20. Darren says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    The Catholic church has NEVER been Christian and never will be!

    • Jen says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 10:10 pm

      Now I know being rude to Catholics is very trendy these days (especially in the US but the trend seems to be spreading because of them) but I thought you said you weren’t a Christian. You might struggle to define what Christianity is when you have no deep faith yourself. For someone who said that Catholic people pray “to” a statue, I think you may not be qualified to make an observation on what they do if that little detail went over your head. Some people can be non-religious and make observations but I struggle to listen to the mentally challenged who think people are praying “to” “stinking beads” as you described them. As if that’s what they’re actually doing. Robert is a Catholic by the way. I can’t stand people like you, especially the non-Christian ones. See ya loon.

      • Darren says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 10:18 pm

        I am a Christian. Catholicism is a CULT.

        • Jen says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 10:23 pm

          Okay dear. *pats head*

        • Kathy Brown, Esq.k says

          Jan 22, 2015 at 10:52 pm

          Jen: You might as well save your breath. People like this have an axe to grind. Incidentally: One never hears Catholics talk like this to Protestants, does one? No…

          I’m patting his head too dear Jen.

          They know nothing of the Faith; nothing. And they won’t learn-that would get in the way of their hatred. Alas! They have a great deal in common with the muslims they claim to detest.

      • Darren says

        Jan 22, 2015 at 10:45 pm

        God Bless you Jen. May you find the truth.

        • St. Michael Defend Us says

          Jan 23, 2015 at 10:18 am

          Darren-

          I have read the writings of many people on these blogs, who, not being Catholic, never having been to a Catholic Church, and never having actually read anything Catholic, nonetheless KNOW, better than the Catholics themselves, all about it.
          And, when confronted with truths, they, like children, put their fingers in their ears and sing “la-la-la” to keep from hearing. Then, often, they like to proclaim, “Jesus is Lord” as if this is something Catholics disagree with.
          In these days of literacy, books, and the internet, there is no excuse for this ignorance.
          I have recommended to others the Baltimore Catechism. This is a series of books for teaching Catholic children. It is readily available on Amazon and other places.
          I have also decided to suggest that people watch the “Mass for Shut-ins” which most television stations broadcast on Sunday morning. You can find many on youtube. Ours is broadcast from our local tv station and is very simple, without decorative distractions. In English, you can hear the prayers and the readings from Scripture.
          I can understand differing viewpoints on ACTUAL doctrines or scriptural interpretations, but, to just make statements such as we are “pagan” or we orient our churches to the sunrise, or that we think that Mary is a co-redemtrix, I think is just plain wrong.

  21. Zimriel says

    Jan 22, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    The Church has survived worse Popes than this. Even the Renaissance Popes weren’t the worst; google up “cadaver synod”.

    If the Catholic Church is God’s church, then it abides. A remnant survives. If priests are reprimanded for speaking in public, they preach in private. And after Diocletian is dead, the Church lives.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Jan 22, 2015 at 11:38 pm

      Indeed She does Z. Indeed she does!

      In the midst of the disgusting attacks on the Catholic Church, let us still congratulate ourselves. Anti-Catholics may demean, demonstrate their ignorance of, and insult, Holy Mother Church. And yet none here have threatened to KILL any of us Catholics!

      There is always a silver lining…

  22. Smart Guy says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 2:16 am

    Is this Pope the last Pope prophesied by Malaki the Irish priest that visited Rome
    many centuries ago? It is prophesied in the Torah Codes that there will be a third
    World War against Islam ! Starting in the year 2010. The War is gaining momentum.

  23. JOSEPH says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 2:46 am

    The catholic church is like the Jews in Christ’s time, they are hung up on tradition. Nuff said. We who believe in Jesus Christ are all on the same side. We can debate later, there is a bigger problem at hand; Islam!! Unless we unite to wipe that _ _ it stain off this Earth many more people (innocent) will die. Islam is the great Satan and our job is to spread the word. Most wont believe you, but you have to keep on trying, we can’t do that by fighting amongst ourselves. They (Islam) loves to see this and they will do everything they can to make this happen. DON’T FALL FOR THE TRAP. Divided we fall

  24. JENNIFER KING says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 4:59 am

    In Nazi Germany, the Protestant PASTOR MARTIN NIEMOLLER had to be confined in two concentration camps, one of them the dreaded Dachau, for his inspiring sermons, which thousands attended every Sunday. His legendary words are most valid today, in a Europe ruled by Multicultural Fascism:
    And then they came for me, but there was nobody left to speak out for me….

  25. JFK Mulder says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 6:55 am

    Under point 841, the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH clearly states:

    “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

    Note the words: “…and together with us they worship the one, merciful God …” Which would make Muslims and Catholics co-religionists isn’t it?

    Isn’t that why this priest was ordered to stop preaching, because he shouldn’t criticize his fellow muslim brothers and sisters serving the same God as he does, but only from the “Islamic side” of the religious “mountain”?

    In the Bible, I John 2 verse 22 seems to rule all of this out.

    Go and check it out.

  26. Clifford Hall says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 7:45 am

    Does anyone know what the priest actually said?

  27. marc says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 8:16 am

    It came out that it was a lie that germany have only 145000 EX-Asylum seekers who have to leave the state-the real number is 600000.Ofcourse everybody get still money and a home from the state but hundred of thousand germans living on the street…

    http://www.cicero.de/berliner-republik/bundestagsvizepraesident-ueber-dresdner-demonstranten-pegida-anhaenger-nicht-zu

    In Deutschland halten sich aktuell mehr als 600.000 Ausländer auf, deren Asylantrag abgelehnt wurde oder deren Flüchtlingsschutz abgelaufen ist. Das geht aus der Antwort des Bundesinnenministeriums auf eine Anfrage des Bundestagsvizepräsidenten Johannes Singhammer (CSU) hervor, die dem Magazin Cicero vorliegt.

    It was on official question to the state from the CSU.CSU(CSU is only in Bavaria the CDU is in the rest of germany) together with CDU is the ruling party.

    Also today i read from a asylum seeker from Libya who was catched 53 times as a thief.But he don´t go to jail or will be send back..Why?Because the prosecutor said:You go only into jail for crime.

    So stealing is no more a crime in germany…

    https://mopo24.de/nachrichten/polizei-einbrecher-chemnitz-mopo24-4033

  28. Richard says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Hello Robert,

    when reading this kind of articles it always amazes me that there seems to be a major contrast in your knowledge of Christianity and that of Islam. I consider your knowledge of Islam to be sublime, but when it comes to Christianity, it looks like that there is only a thorough basic understanding of the Bible, even in this regard I doubt if it does have major implications, which it does supposed to have, on your own life. In general you seems to be far more interested in general knowledge then in actually knowing Christ and actually living in communion with Him. A indication for this is, my observation in your lack of desire to spread the Gospel!

    This issue is extremely important because according to Abdu Murray, an ex-muslim (!) the Gospel is by far the ultimate means to combat the diabolic deception of Islam. (Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord. Zachariah 4:6)

    Here Abdu on a video on the importance of this subject:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg36M7Jwj2I

    His excellent website: http://embracethetruth.org

    My second remark is the importance of understanding the eschatological times we are living in, in connection with the advance of Islam. In regard of this I urgently advice you to take a thorough interest in the works of Walid Shoebat and Joel Richardson.

    These comments serve only one purpose: To encourage you.

    I bless you and greet you with a deep gratitude for your efforts to expose the powers of darkness. (Ephesians 5:8-11)

    • BC says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 10:26 am

      There is nothing to be gained by substituting one fallacious set of beliefs with another, and in any case
      RS is commenting on the attempts of the RC church to appease Islam not condemning the church. You Christians have been praying for 2 thousand years with no results. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is assign of insanity.
      The Jesus you cling to is a construct of the church and as such most likely did not exist at least in the portrayal in which you are given to believe.

      • Richard says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 12:55 pm

        Boasting about your ignorance. What a pitiful display.

      • Jack Gordon says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 8:22 pm

        “A construct of the Church”? What exactly are you smoking? You clearly know no history and so let me charitably give you a little advice: Shut up and stop making a public display of yourself. I’d say more, but ‘commentary’ like yours does not merit it.

    • Shane says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm

      The Pope does not have the guts to tell the truth about Islam and jihad, and priests with guts to tell the truth are fired. We need a Pope who will lead another Crusade against the Muslim savages.

      • Bridget Ames says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 6:15 pm

        Agreed!

  29. BC says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 10:27 am

    sorry ‘a sign of’

  30. Gardener says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 11:55 am

    I think it’s at least as much about his participating as an identifiable priest as if sanctioned by the Church as it is about what he said. The people above him consider it an abuse of his position, and they are probably right. It’s not the priest’s job to be a rabble-rouser. It’s a can of worms they don’t want to open, or continue to have open. Spätling said he took part in the protest because of the switching off the lights of the Cologne Cathedral. To me, that was a reasonable stance on his part, but he should have known he would be disciplined and he probably knows he also should be disciplined. It was the only thing the Church could do especially in this age of instant media. They had to stop it before it becomes a thing.

    I think Spätling was a tad egotistical, but the political use of the Cologne Cathedral justifies his position. However, talking about past wars against Islam and the Turks given Germany’s large Turkish population is not far from the Islamic agitators whining about the Crusades and Andalucia and the rest as if it happened last week. Dredging up history to incite today’s battles is never going to lead to anything good. It’s as much a false victimhood narrative to dredge up Muslim assaults of the past as the Muslim victimhood narratives that dredge up the past in a different way. Stuff happened, and nobody from that time is alive. It is irrelevant now. If we use historical events as fuel for today’s battles, we might as well all go and destroy Mongolia tomorrow. Mankind simply cannot evolve in a positive direction if people live in past centuries, and that doesn’t only apply to Muslims even if they are the worst offenders. In any case, the crux of Spätling’s speech was that as Europe has fought against Islam for centuries, it is unimaginable that now in the last 20-30 years suddenly it’s something Europe doesn’t do and that Islam is now a part of Germany like Merkel said.

    So discipline was to be expected, but the actual statement of the bishop was somewhat cringeworthy as was, of course, the switching off the lights of the Cologne Cathedral earlier.

    • Shane says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      Total BS. I stand for freedom of speech to be critical of Islam, and so should every Westerner. This Pope is a gutless dhimmi who should grow a pair or resign.

  31. Brian Hoff says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    The founder and leader of this new Nazie Party was force to resign after than picture of him was print in than newpaper showing him with than Hitler stye mushate and hair cut. On Facebook there is than image of than Klan man with than message that the 3 K keep miniation away like black , chathority , jew , brown , asdian, hindith and muslim.

    • Lawrence says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 2:38 pm

      Brian, you must be intellectually challenged with your pathetic grammar and spelling.
      Actually, the Nazis were in bed with Islam.
      Hitler entertained the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ,Haj Amin al – Husseini ,Yasser Arafat’s uncle, for a year long visit in Berlin in 1943, in order to explore ways to make Europe and the Middle East Jew -free.
      this resulted in the Balkan SS Jew hunting squads.
      Get it , Brian?

      • Brian Hoff says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 8:57 pm

        The Germany government is going to destory this Islamophobia party by accueing then of being neo-nazie.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 24, 2015 at 6:02 am

          This is an interesting insight into Brian’s mind. It’s not that PEGIDA is a nazi party, it’s just that Brian considers it “islamophobic” (the correct term would be islamo-realist) and therefore, Brian is game with lying to have it shut down.

      • Brian Hoff says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 9:05 pm

        Reread my comment the Germany government is going to destory this party, it alread started the conter marcher this wednesday out number then by more than 2 to 1.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 24, 2015 at 6:10 am

          Brian Hoff posted:

          “Reread my comment”

          I think people who do that a lot get a sharp drop in their IQ…

    • Jack Gordon says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      Brian: What’s the matter? Do you need new glasses or did you spill something sticky on your keyboard? You’re totally incoherent here. (Oh, incoherent? Look it up in the ‘i’ section of the dictionary. You’ll find it sandwiched between ‘h’ and ‘j’.)

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 9:23 pm

        Perhaps English is not Brian Hoff’s first language?

        If so, he’s doing his best. I’m not sure I understand quite what he wishes to say, but perhaps it is that, he is warning us about the [insane] German govt.’s attempts to crush the PEGIDA movement.kk

        • St. Michael Defend Us says

          Jan 24, 2015 at 9:47 am

          If you watch Brian Hoff over a period of time, you would conclude that he is a muslim troll.

  32. Kathy Brown, Esq. says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    Some: Jen didn’t retain me! I showed up pro-bono! Jen-my dear sister in Christ: ‘Perfect’, back atcha. You are a Defensor Fidei. God reward you…

    Feature this: The Catholic-haters on these blogs ALL read Robert Spencer, tho’ in their book he too is a raving fool who uses ‘stinking beads’, ‘prays to statues’, and petitions the intercession of the immaculate Mother of God. Wow! Whassup with that?

    Give it a rest Some. You like to alternate between insult and aggrieved injury. We can all read here. I love the Faith and whenever it’s insulted/maligned, I WILL defend it. I presume you’ll do the same for yours-but you aren’t pressed to do so, are you? Because the Catholics don’t insult yours?

    We’re not insecure, Some, so we don’t go there.

    Have a lovely day and all the foregoing is, indeed, the embodiment of the 1st Amendment. Insults and all!

    • somehistory says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 4:17 pm

      Kathy,

      I didn’t insult anyone. I have never had a bad word for any Catholic belief, although there are many with which I do not agree, which is my right as a human. Each person believes as he or she wishes. I am not the master of anyone’s faith and do not try to be. Neither is anyone the master of mine. If you go back over the comments made by me for the past many years, you will not find one that slams anyone for being a Catholic, or Protestant or even having no belief, although I have stated some of the things I believe from reading the Bible.

      If you are indeed a lawyer, you should know that the First Amendment is a restriction on the Government and not on individual human persons. By this it is meant to restrict the Federal Government originally, and then by the States in many cases, from taking away *rights* that God granted with creation of people, and the *right* to arm oneself against a threat.
      If someone comes in my home, I have the *right* to tell them what they can and cannot say in my own home and the First Amendment does not apply to me. If that person does not abide by my wishes, they will be asked to leave, not quote the First Amendment and stay. The same holds if I go into another citizen’s home and they tell me that I am not free inside their personal dwelling to talk about things I wish to talk about. I had that happen once when I wished to speak about Christ and the woman was a *friend* of mine.

      As for being *aggrieved*…you can say whatever you wish. You have no power to hurt or help me. I haven’t insulted you or your *faith* in Catholicism and don’t intend to. However, since you don’t know what I believe, except that I believe in Christ, how would you know whether you insulted me or not?

      “The taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones (Ecc. 7:9).” So, I try not to be offended by anyone.

    • Jen says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      Haha! It’s true; that’s why it’s amusing. I’ve noticed that pattern of alternating between insulting Catholics (Yes, CHRISTIAN Catholics), as much as they may detest it; and aggrieved injury. The faux sense of victim hood arises after their unrelenting criticism of Catholics; at which time someone is bound to counter them eventually. They’re not used this happening so when it does; they don’t like it. Oh well, perhaps they better work on their public image and become known for something other than this.

      I have attended Protestant churches which intentionally attempt to undermine Catholicism by delivering inaccurate information about Catholics. They have a vested interest in gaining more members so naturally they would be inclined to do this. A few sandwiches short of a picnic is all I can say!

      • somehistory says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 4:40 pm

        Jen,

        You present yourself as a Catholic and your good friend Kathy says Catholics do not feel the pressure to insult others. You have insulted numerous persons on this thread alone. Perhaps the two of you should get together over a cup of tea. It might make you feel better and more inclined to focus on the *why* of the Catholic man who was told by his *superior* he could no longer preach for the church.
        I believe, as I stated in my first comment on this thread, that he had the *right* to speak his mind about islam. I haven’t gone back on that statement and will not.

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Jan 23, 2015 at 8:24 pm

        Jen, mega-dittoes! It is amusing, no doubt about that.

        Today when out and about, ‘pretending’ to be an attorney (!?), I heard a lot of discussion of whether or not the ‘Slimes had beheaded their latest [Japanese] victims.

        Everyone I heard (a judge, 3 lawyers, sundry jurors) said something to the effect that, ‘If they haven’t yet, they will!’. Several threw in gratuitous comments about what an idiot Obama is. And one of the individuals mentioned how ‘unhelpful’ the Pope had recently been, airing his [really dumb] views about ‘not offending Islam, blah, blah, blah’…

        I asked this person how they felt about the Pope’s statements. Several people said, ‘Well-he should be careful what he says since he’s supposed to be infallible!’

        They were astonished when I told them that I was Catholic; that I agreed with their statements; and that His Holiness is only ‘infallible’ about every 50 yrs. or so and only when pronouncing on Faith and Dogma…

        Two of these [really nice] people then said they hadn’t known that-and that their ‘pastors’ had told them quite the reverse. I told them, ‘No harm, no foul’, at which point the conversation turned to the uninflated football controversy.

        So there’s a lot of misinformation out there. It’s one thing when people honestly don’t know a thing. It’s another when, having been informed of the facts, people persist in their obscurantism. In law, we call this ‘invincible ignorance’. And if you prove that, you win the day.

    • Bridget Ames says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      I would insult theirs, it is Religious Pluralism to claim they were equal. They need to pursue the Faith left us here on Earth no matter their emotional qualms.

    • petey says

      Jan 24, 2015 at 8:48 pm

      Im under the impression that Robert is an Atheist??? Robert will you clear this up, where do you stand? no reason just curious

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Jan 25, 2015 at 8:09 am

        Last I heard, Mr Spencer was a practising Greek Melkite Catholic.

  33. Bridget Ames says

    Jan 23, 2015 at 6:10 pm

    Well I first thought it was the German State who silenced him, but it’s even more surreal to discover that it is the individuals who are called to protect and promote the Faith are the ones to give way to the dogs of Islam. God Bless this Priest!

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Jan 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      Bridget, I thought exactly as you did when I read this then-like you-was even more horrified to realize it was the Catholic Church itself muzzling him…

      I think there’s a Scripture which warns, ‘And thy enemies shall be those of thine own household’. As Michael Savage points out: Often the worst enemy is ‘the enemy within’. Indeed there are enemies within: Our OWN governments, our OWN churches; our own families.

      We surely do have ‘enemies’ on all sides. Thank God tho’: We have Him. And while we’re in the right, He’s got our back.

  34. peter weber says

    Jan 24, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Religions and Churches do not represent Christianity. Christianity was hijacked by religions. Christianity is not religion.

    The churches in Germany support Islam wherever they can. On the Web site of the protestant church you will find the Quran verses!

    I left religions a long time ago …

  35. Kathy Brown, Esq.k says

    Jan 24, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    St. Michael: Thanks for the heads-up. I defer to your experience with him.

    Honestly: Islam would be disgusting if for no other reason than taqqiya, yes? I mean these people are malignant liars. I’ve had the experience 3x, just in my own life, of being baldfacedly lied to, by Muslims. On one occasion, a young muslima told me-honestly-that “in islam conversion is ‘by the sword’ if you don’t consent to begin with”. The next day when I referenced that, she looked me straight in the eye and said ‘that was wrong. We never force anyone.’

    I mean, it was chilling. It’s not every day someone just…does that. Here in the West I mean…

  36. Lygeia says

    Jan 24, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    The article states, “this polite silence about the mass murder of Christians will not end the jihad against Christians and Christianity.”

    It isn’t just Christians. It is everyone who isn’t a Muslim, and a radically fanatic Muslim at that, who is in danger from Islam.

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