“I could chop you up into little pieces and put you in the Thames right now and no one will find out.” Those words were spoken by a Muslim uncle to his ex-Muslim nephew. This article tells the stories of several ex-Muslims, but it doesn’t explain why it has proven so difficult for them to leave Islam — indeed, true to form for the mainstream media, it gives the impression that Muslims who threaten or shun apostates are violating the Qur’an’s dictum that “there is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). Author Simon Cottee doesn’t mention, and may not know, that a hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.” There is only disagreement over whether the law applies only to men, or to women also – some authorities hold that apostate women should not be killed, but only imprisoned in their houses until death.
“For Muslim apostates, giving up their faith can be terrifying, alienating and dangerous,” by Simon Cottee, National Post, January 2, 2015 (thanks to Daniel):
In many Muslim-majority countries, renouncing Islam is a crime punishable by death. But even in the liberal West, some ex-Muslims continue to fear leaving their faith. Although reformists point to the Qur’anic ruling,”there [sic] is no compulsion in religion,” they hide their disbelief or risk being ostracized by their families and the wider ummah (community) of believers. In extreme cases they believe their status as “apostates of the faith” puts them in danger. Simon Cottee, a senior lecturer in criminology at Kent University, England., [sic] interviewed 35 former Muslims in Britain and Canada as part of the first major sociological study of ex-Muslims in the west. He based this piece on fieldwork in Canada.
Halima is an 18-year-old biology student from a strict Muslim family in Ontario.
Although she continues to wear the hijab and dresses conservatively, Halima no longer prays or fasts. Nor does she abide by the restrictions against alcohol and pork, and she has all but forgotten the Qur’an — the holy book she once had committed to memory.
“They think I’m a bad Muslim,” she says of her family, “but I doubt if they’d ever think I’m an ex-Muslim.”
She adds she cannot imagine what would happen if she told her father, a well-known religious leader. “That would be the end. He would never accept my apostasy.”
Halima, who asked that her real name not be used, has good reason for concern.
“There was a lot of pressure to be completely religious,” she says of her childhood. And any and all deviations were vigorously punished.
She remembers one incident in particular.
“There was a tear in a page and my father assumed I’d ripped it,” she says. “He got my hand — and put it on the stove.”
Probably the torn page was from the Qur’an.
After a teacher noticed the burn, the Children’s Aid Society interviewed her parents, who said it was an accident. CAS didn’t pursue the matter, but this did little to placate her father, who castigated her for bringing “kaffirs” (unbelievers) into the house.
Halima still spent up to three hours a day studying Arabic and the Qur’an into her teen years, and rarely missed the five daily prayers that are obligatory for Muslims.
But ultimately, she says, “I just couldn’t agree with most of the stuff, especially with the treatment of women — that got me out of Islam.”…
Last year, her father started proceedings to bring a friend over from Yemen, a man in his mid-50s, to marry his daughter. Under immense pressure, she agreed to the engagement and signed the sponsorship papers to enable him to settle in Canada. But she couldn’t go through with it and fled her home.
“I just filled in two bags of my papers and stuff and told my brother, ‘I have to take out the trash,’ and there was a cab waiting for me and I went straight to the shelter.”
Her flight has confused as well as enraged her parents.
“Come home — or you’ll regret it,” her father recently warned her on Facebook.
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Zain, 27, is one of the few who has disclosed his apostasy to his family. Born in Britain to Pakistani parents, he came to Canada at age 20.
“As a kid I really believed with all my heart, but my faith just kind of went away,” he says. “It flickered out. I stopped feeling the presence of God. And that’s when I took seriously the possibility of Islam being wrong.”…
By 19 he was agnostic — and in love with Mel, a Winnipeg woman he met online. They decided to elope and she flew to Britain.
But somehow Zain’s family found out and intercepted them at the airport. An uncle was especially furious: “He’s a tough guy who likes to throw his weight around and he was saying, ‘I could chop you up into little pieces and put you in the Thames right now and no one will find out.’” His father also was angry, telling him not “ruin his life for a girl.”
“Terrified and distraught,” Mel flew home a few days later. Soon afterward, Zain also boarded a plane — to Pakistan with his uncle. The purpose of their trip became clear when they went to a mosque where an imam took a glass of water, began to pray over it, then switched to broken English.
Zain asked what he was doing and another man replied, “Oh, you don’t know? You have an evil spirit inside your body that has clung on to you in London and the spirit is in love with you and is refusing to leave your body. And he’s talking to her right now in English, telling her to leave.”
The young man was asked to drink some of the water and walk around the room before being asked how he felt. “I lied and said, ‘Yeah, I feel better, thank you very much.’”
After a month, Zain returned to London, but the first thing he did was book another flight. “I came back on Boxing Day and on Jan. 3 I took my guitar, some clothes and a small backpack and I left for Canada.”
Within months he and Mel were married. Zain wishes he had told his parents face to face and sooner about his loss of faith.
But “I was such a coward.” This is why he later decided to come out fully and post his testimony online, attaching his real name and picture.
“I wanted to do my part for the apostate community, I guess. To normalize the process of apostatizing … To say, ‘I’m an ex-Muslim, you are not alone, you are not the only apostate in the world.’ There’s such a taboo surrounding apostasy in Islam.”
He is well aware of how far the normalization process has to go. When his extended family discovered his online testimony, they “collectively shamed my parents for being bad parents” and refused to socialize with them.…
“There’s great animosity towards ex-Muslims,” says Kiran Opal, one of the group’s founders and a human rights activist.
“You’re treated like a traitor, just for not believing the same thing. And you’re expected to keep your mouth shut and not criticize the religion.”…
The Pakistan-born Ms. Opal, who came to Canada with her family as a refugee, tells a familiar story.
She says she had always aspired to be a “good Muslim. … I wanted to belong, I wanted to feel connected to my roots, I wanted to have a certain identity. And I really wanted to believe.”
But the more she studied Islam, the more estranged she became. Every step of the way there was resistance: “I remember having lots of fights with my mom, lots of arguments, lots of yelling and I felt very trapped but I just kind of stood my ground.”
It was the prospect of marriage that brought matters to a head. Her parents expected her to marry within the faith and lined up candidates. But Ms. Opal refused, thinking she’d be trapped forever. So, against her family’s wishes, she left home.
Leaving Islam, she says, is much harder for Muslim women, since they are supervised more vigilantly than men.
“Men can date, have sex outside of marriage, can marry somebody not of their religion — they can pretend to have their wives convert — they can go through the motions. But if we want to be free, we have to leave. There is no middle ground for women.”
Angemon says
That’s because “there is no compulsion in religion” is not the final word, quranic or otherwise, on the subject of apostasy. Pretending it is is dangerously misleading.
I wonder if he contacted Dr. Sennels to trade impressions and compare notes?
Meanwhile we have feminists telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is.
Walter says
Hi Angemon,
“Meanwhile we have feminists telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is.”
Had you please some more details on that? I’d appreciate such in order to transfer such information on to German readers.
I am a German and a regular reader of a German Platform focussing strongly against the fact of a fast accelerating islamization of Europe, mainly Germany & Austria. (http://www.pi-news.net)
Many thanks in advance and I do hope my English is not too poor to be understood.
Angemon says
Walter posted:
“Had you please some more details on that? I’d appreciate such in order to transfer such information on to German readers.”
How many feminist organizations in your country are speaking against the treatment of women in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia or any other muslim-majority country? And of those who do, how many blame “culture” rather than religion?
Angemon says
I don’t know examples in Germany, but not long ago David Wood dismantled a puff piece from a “frminist muslim” who claims to have converted to islam because it appealed to her feminist ideals
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/10/theresa-corbin-muslim-feminist.html
Perhaps the quranic and ahadith sources Mr. Wood uses are of use to you, if you ever decide to write about it.
Angry says
Angemon
You’re absolutely correct, The well known, well-established and well respected (other than she’s admitted to being a Marxist) feminist, former activist and now writer Germaine Greer (Australian living in Britain) speaks for women’s rights and women’s equality (and rightly so!). But when questioned on BBC’s Question Time a few year ago, she was asked (can’t remember who by) what she thought of how islamic law treats women. She replied with “It’s their choice, if they choose to adhere to the islamic way of life, then it’s their right to do so”; or words extremely similar to that.
She was damned for her comments; albeit from the ‘right’. Germaine Greer is a liberal lefty, another one too frightened and too scared to be called a ‘racist’ when the question of islam is brought up; especially regarding women.
greyhoundfancier says
Ihre Englisch ist besser als mein Deutsch! Very clear, you are right to be concerned. I have visited Germany and hope that you are successful in preventing your beautiful country from becoming an Islamic hellhole.
Mirren10 says
“Meanwhile we have feminists telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is.”
Had you please some more details on that? I’d appreciate such in order to transfer such information on to German readers”
As has been suggested, David Wood at Answeringmuslims has some excellent material.
You should also, if you haven’t already done so, read Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Brigitte Gabriel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Hannah Shah, and recommend them to your readers. Their books are available on Amazon.
Huck Folder says
You forgot Canada’s illustrious Sunera Thobani, doyenne of the University of British Columbia, on Canada’s wet coast:
http://www.socialiststudies.com/index.php/sss/article/viewFile/266/232
“The INTENSE Islamophobia that erupted right after the [9/11] attacks was incredibly
difficult to witness, especially the role that women activists played in fuelling that
Islamophobia by giving it a gendered legitimacy, by focussing on the quote unquote
“oppressed Muslim women” and by resuscitating old, discredited colonial constructs of
the veil and of Muslim communities.”
“The INTENSE Islamophobia which has since then become much more
institutionalized, much more integrated into public culture and public spaces, really did
change things tremendously, in a profound and destructive way.”
“But that feminist acquiescence to Islamophobia, and sometimes even active feminist
promotion of Islamophobia, managed to give the state legitimacy, give the War
credibility, and also helped to mobilize public support for the War.”
“And when I say race, I think that Islamophobia is an articulation of race politics, it is a racialization of Muslims. So that when we talk about Muslims today we know that in practice the category doesn’t only apply to practicing Muslims. Instead, “Muslim” is used to apply to black and brown bodies.”
Nuff said?
ECAW says
Thanks for the link. I’ll take it out and look at it from time to time to remind myself of the nonsensical thinking we’re up against.
RonaldB says
Dear Walter,
You asked a specific question:
“Meanwhile we have feminists telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is.”
Had you please some more details on that?
You wanted an example of a feminist praise for Islam. Here is an example from the National Organization for Women website, a mainstream feminist group:
http://now.org/blog/islamophobia-homophobia-and-anti-choice-terrorism-serve-common-goal-of-oppression/
“In fact, Islam gave women the right to own property centuries before the Western world. And while the U.S. has yet to elect a female president, certain Muslim nations, like Pakistan and Bangladesh, have already done so. Virtually every religion has been twisted to serve misogyny — like the Catholic Church, which admitted to forcing nuns who were raped by priests to have abortions — so why single out Islam as an anti-woman institution? My secular husband and I have been visiting the Islamic Cultural Center of New York, whose Imam has argued for women’s rights using verses of the Quran — noting that Islam does NOT give husbands the right to hit their wives, and allows wives just as many rights as their husbands.”
Note that I am not giving you a reference that details the true Muslim abuse of women. That is not what you asked for.
ECAW says
So sad how Western feminists have betrayed non-white, non-Western women and consigned them to their fate because “it’s their culture”.
Muslim women rising up and saying “We’re not putting up with this any more” could be the breaking of Islam but if they do it will be without the help of their Western sisters – until the struggle is almost over and they come along to claim the credit. Just look at FGM. The Guardian feminists stayed very quiet over it for a very long time. In England it was the despised EDL who started making a noise about it first (along with a few other isolated voices). Then the other qualities (Times, Independent and Telegraph) started producing articles. Then just last year the Guardian bravely came out with a campaign against it, claiming of course that it was not an Islamic practice.
How I despise the Guardian!
ECAW says
ps. This is what I mean:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/the-guardian-doing-the-right-thing-eventually-2/
lmortimer says
By abandoning the most vulnerable women in the world, Western feminists revealed that their real agenda is cultural Marxism rather than women’s rights. Cultural Marxists view supremacist, misogynistic Muslim males as officially designated victims who may never be criticized under any circumstances…even when the ENSLAVE WOMEN, TORTURE THEM FOR BREASTFEEDING or SLIVE THEM or FORCE SIX YEAR-OLDS TO BE RAPED BY PEDOPHILES!
Western Feminists are disgusting.
Mirren10 says
”How I despise the Guardian!”
Indeed, me too.
However, no matter how infuriating and sickening the hypocrisy is, at least the guardianistas are having their noses rubbed in some salient information, and that might do some good.
Jay Boo says
Muslims would not need to be so vulnerable about other Muslims leaving if Islam did not have so many verses ripe for ridicule.
It never ceases to amaze me when I look at the rampant stupidity of those who claim that Muhammad was a prophet and an example to emulate even though sex slave pervert Muhammad put an emphasis on preventing the (unseemly conduct) of women in order to deflect attention from his own pig like behavior.
“O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah. But any of you that is devout in the service of Allah and His Messenger, and works righteousness,- to her shall We grant her reward twice: … (al-Ahzab 33/30-34
Peter Buckley says
We could do with more articles like this one. I don’t think people in the West are aware of the large number of apostates living in the West. In Britain alone there have been two books written by ex-muslims detailing not just their own reasons for leaving the faith, but giving an insider’s view of the “muslim community”. It really isn’t as full of practicing muslims as most people think. Anyway, I can recommend both books:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849543119?adid=06DQAMNY986AFB32WBY7&camp=2902&creative=19466&creativeASIN=1849543119&linkCode=as4&ref_=as_li_ss_til&tag=nofo-21
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Islamist-Delusion-Cultural-ebook/dp/B009VJVT4M/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1369118763&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Islamist+Delusion
Not to mention the blogs…..
http://www.captaindisguise.blogspot.co.uk/p/apostate-news.html
As far as I know, at no time in human history have ex-muslims not only publicly announced their apostasy, but more importantly, GAVE THEIR REASONS. Islamists are aware that these reasons will also chime with other doubting muslims., leading to apostasy becoming more common, then “acceptable” or even “expected”. As I’ve said before, the Internet will destroy Islam, simply by educating the masses until muslims can longer justify their beliefs….
Huck Folder says
Some more resources PB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Muslims
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam
http://ex-muslim.org.uk/
Richie says
The religion of pieces
SallyA says
Yes, some women calling themselves feminists of the third-wave liberal 21st century variety have lined up to support what we reading JW might call the “Halima”option of the article above. Despite Angemon’s cheap shot attributing his misunderstsnding of generic feminists to suggest all falsely promote Islamic maltreatment of women as “wonderful,” books by women with titles like Warrior Marks (opposing FGM) reach out to women & validate our need for freedom from male oppression. Jihad Watch might reach more women (of our prevailing male-led PCMC global culture) who need to know the ugly truth for self-protection against the uber-misogyny of Isalm — if male commenters at JW could restrain themselves from the gratuitous, unsubstantiated, unnuanced generic cheap shots collectively against all labeled as feminists.
ECAW says
Not all feminists certainly. Here is one with compassion for women outside her own culture:
http://www.annemariewaters.org/sharia-law-and-middle-class-feminism/
but Guardian feminists, as far as I have ever seen, certainly. I no longer click on the articles because the titles warn me of the trivia and the misandry that lurk within.
Angemon says
SallyA posted:
“Despite Angemon’s cheap shot attributing his misunderstsnding of generic feminists to suggest all falsely promote Islamic maltreatment of women as “wonderful,””
Perhaps you should focus on improving your reading and comprehension skills – what I wrote was “Meanwhile we have feminists telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is.”. If I wanted my post to encompass all feminists I would have written “Meanwhile we have every single feminist out there telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is” or “Meanwhile we have all feminists out there telling us how wonderful islamic treatment of women is”.
See the difference?
Nor did I suggest any feminist falsely promoted islamic maltreatment of women as wonderful- for all I know they’re simply ignorant of the truth and buy the “muhammad was a champion of women’s rights” mantra hook, line and sinker.
As for my alleged “misunderstsnding of generic feminists“, exactly what did I misunderstand, and what is a “generic feminist”? There are women out there calling themselves feminists and praising islam. Calling it as I see it is neither a misunderstanding nor a “gratuitous, unsubstantiated, unnuanced generic cheap shot[s]”. It’s just, well, calling as I see it. If you think that that kind of women do nothing but muddy the issue of islamic treatment of women then your bone is with them, and I’ll gladly stand by you if you ever decide to take them on.
Now, a couple of questions for you Sally.
1 – Let’s say that a muslim walks up to you and tells you that the people who call the islamic state islamic and its adherents muslims are taking gratuitous, unsubstantiated, unnuanced generic cheap shots collectively against all labeled as muslims. How would you answer to that?
2 – Which feminist organizations in the US are raising awareness to the islamic treatment of women, and how do they go about it?
SallyA says
The “mansplaining” diatribes and the veiled misogyny here only proves my point. You could if you really cared about women read Phyllis Chesler, who actually married a Muslim and escaped, with her book detailing the saga, but of course you wouldn’t. It’s not worth my time responding to any misogynists further on this thread.
Angemon says
SallyA posted:
“The “mansplaining” diatribes”
By which she means my retort to her ascribing false statements to me.
“and the veiled misogyny here only proves my point.”
I try to argue that she’s wrong and I wasn’t taking cheap shots at all feminists, therefore I’m a veiled misogynist. Of course, makes perfect sense!!!!
“You could if you really cared about women read Phyllis Chesler, who actually married a Muslim and escaped, with her book detailing the saga, but of course you wouldn’t.”
So I only care about women if I read a seemingly random book? Does that only apply to me or to men in general? And what does that book have to do with feminists defending islam and its treatment of women?
“ It’s not worth my time responding to any misogynists further on this thread.”
By which she means that it’s more convenient for her to play the gender card and storm off like a seagull rather than addressing anything anyone said.
My questions will still be here when you return Sally:
1 – Let’s say that a muslim walks up to you and tells you that the people who call the islamic state islamic and its adherents muslims are taking gratuitous, unsubstantiated, unnuanced generic cheap shots collectively against all labeled as muslims. How would you answer to that?
2 – Which feminist organizations in the US are raising awareness to the islamic treatment of women, and how do they go about it?
Mirren10 says
SallyA, you’re full of bombastic nonsense, and have failed to answer any of Angemon’s very salient points, choosing instead to pout and flounce off.
As a woman myself, your reply is an embarrassment to women with brains. Instead of behaving like a spoilt little leftard, whose only response to a cogent argument is to say; ”It’s not worth my time responding to any misogynists further on this thread”, why don’t you answer Angemon’s questions, and at least attempt to respond to his arguments intelligently ?
Waiting …
Jay Boo says
@SallyA
veiled misogyny here ??????
You tossed that curveball out twice in the same paragraph just before you snuck off the pitchers mound in order to go hide in the dugout.
Of course in all fairness, not all feminists duck their heads in the sand every time yet another Muslim slices and dices his own children in an ‘honor’ killing.
In fact, if you stand next to a group of feminists and if you listen really carefully, you might hear an occasional muted whisper over the faint chirping of distant crickets.
nadaislam says
Sally the real question here is why feminists are not on TV and in magazine articles non stop exposing the horror that islam is to women. Growing up in the US feminists were everywhere blasting the Christian church, men and the culture in general but hardly a thing is said about the more horrific islam and every feminist I know says the hijabs, and (believe it or not) FGM are a choice these women should be free to make. Problem is they are not FREE to make that choice and in early days of feminism Christian women were looked down upon by feminists. For the record I am female and independent.
Neil Jennison says
There is a lot of bullshit being written here……
Let me state first, that there should be no compulsion in religion. That isn’t the oft misinterpreted Qur’an verse, that is my Catholic belief.
However, as a Catholic, I accept that though men and women are different, and have different roles in society and the Church.
If some women chose to disagree, that is their right as equals in the law. All jobs and positions should be open to women as equals.
In secular society, there should be equality. In religion we accept what God decreed…. Women cannot be Priests. Men cannot bear children. These are just facts of life.
We in the west have lost a lot, but maybe gained a little by having women have careers at the expense of bringing up children.
I certainly do not wish to impose my view of what is best on women. Though I wish to be free to argue the point without being abused.
The big difference between Christianity and Islam, is that Islam insists on women taking a submissive role. Whether the women are Muslims or not.
There really should be no compulsion. Women are equal to men. But they are also shorter than men on average, and weaker, physically than men. Ergo, they are not the same as men.
Or to put it the other way round, men are stronger than women, but they are also more aggressive than women and more likely to commit crime.
God defined different roles for the sexes……..
The important thing is that women should be considered equal to men in law, and have equal status and opportunity.
Islam does not allow that.
Mirren10 says
Neil, you say:
”Women cannot be Priests. Men cannot bear children. These are just facts of life”
Well, it’s certainly a fact of life that men can’t bear children, but how is it a fact of life that women can’t be priests ? Why not ?
Neil Jennison says
Because the most radical man who ever lived, God Himself, did not ordain any women to the Priesthood. The Church has confirmed this fact and upheld the fact that women are un-ordainable.
Women and men are different in many ways, this does not mean they are not equal.
Neil Jennison says
“”As for my alleged “misunderstsnding of generic feminists“, exactly what did I misunderstand, and what is a “generic feminist”? There are women out there calling themselves feminists and praising islam.
Indeed this is part of the problem, that is no accepted definition of feminism.
Leftists feminists split into those who mistrust Islam and those who think it “empowering” for women. Margaret Thatcher pointed out that she owed “nothing to feminism” and that women and men were just equal and that she proved it by rising to the top. This makes most lefty feminists hate her. They want quotas and all women shortlists for jobs that Mrs Thatcher rightly considered both patronising to women and unfair to men.
Wellington says
You’re a shallow person, SallyA, and you’ve demonstrated that quite well to several here at JW.
MKG says
Brave young souls. I can imagine how many have tried to escape but couldn’t. Their punishment would have been horrible. All because of the vanity of those cretins who follow that dirty little book. Building an army of apostates would be poetic.
Jay Boo says
Without it political element all virtually Muslims would dump the buffoonery of Islam.
I just heard on ABN TV that no more than 20% of shariah is based on the Koran.
Even if we were to believe than the Koran is the word of God that still leaves 80% of Muhammad making it up as he went along.
Jay Boo says
Without its political element virtually all Muslims would dump the buffoonery of Islam.
Werner says
Once a turk told me that he love german BOCKWURST(with PIG)but when he want to eat it he say he drive 10km away and still hidding because he is afraid that a muslim see him…
Salah says
They are leaving Islam by the millions. Keep telling the truth, we are winning.
Cairo: In a sign of unprecedented concern, Egypt’s top Islamic official recently warned against the spread of atheism in the traditionally religious country.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/egypt/rise-of-atheism-in-egypt-sparks-concern-1.1406120
Peter Buckley says
Correct. We’ve had two recently published books by British former muslims. Both recommended:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Islamist-Delusion-Cultural-ebook/dp/B009VJVT4M/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1369118763&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Islamist+Delusion
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1849543119?adid=06DQAMNY986AFB32WBY7&camp=2902&creative=19466&creativeASIN=1849543119&linkCode=as4&ref_=as_li_ss_til&tag=nofo-21
If you read them, you will see the “muslim community” described is very different from the one most people imagine….i.e. devout muslims living under Sharia. It’s full of “bad muslims” who don’t practice the faith.. Not to mention all the blogs:….
http://www.captaindisguise.blogspot.co.uk/p/apostate-news.html
As I keep saying, it is freedom of speech and the Internet that will destroy Islam. No muslim will be able to justify their faith once the truth gets out.
Salah says
“…it is freedom of speech and the Internet that will destroy Islam.”
You’re absolutely right. The destruction has already begun. Nothing will be able to stop it. NOTHING.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/12/perfect-man-of-islam.html
jimbo says
Jeez i hope you guys are right . I just see the girl destruction of Europe and great Britain and the hand I’d muslims. So I hope what you say comes true. We need done young generation y to take hold of social media and start groups and pages and highlight this and other help and expose Islam for what it is and use muslims who leave as their evidence of the true nature of this satanistic ideology.
Wellington says
“They are leaving Islam by the millions.”
Very gratifying, Salah, to read and reflect upon this sentence of yours. As we communicated to each other yesterday, Islam cannot endure. This will be its last major assault on humanity and even now it is withering from within. There is no way in hell that Islam will be able to stand up to a scrutiny the likes of which it has never been subjected to before. The day will come when those who remain Muslim will be overwhelmingly regarded as pathetic persons clinging to a belief system which is simply incompatible with basic human rights, such as the right to leave a religion and convert to another or none at all without fear of harm or death.
Islam will never be entirely extinguished but it is destined, I believe, to function eventually only on the fringes of human society. Long way to go though and it’s not going to be pleasant for mankind as a whole. Islam’s demise will entail much suffering and death for human beings all across this small planet we all inhabit.
Peter Buckley says
My thoughts exactly.
jewdog says
It’s very common that journalists have only a shallow understanding of their subjects. They are generally hired for their writing ability more than other factors. That’s why I prefer specialty sites and books when reading about certain topics. The Nat Post is better than most newspapers in Canada.
Neil Jennison says
Christianity teaches love and compassion to all, whether they are believers or not. “Love your enemies”.
It is therefore easy to see that Christianity is the religion given by the true God. The God who loves all, the God who is Love.
Islam teaches, division and hatred of those not in the “club”, it teaches death to those that leave the “club”.
It teaches warfare against those who refuse to “submit”.
Yes it is surprising that Muslims cannot see the horse shit they are told to believe is just that.
mortimer says
Islam teaches the morals of mobsters:
“Mohammed is the prophet of Allah; those who follow him are VIOLENT against the disbelievers, but COMPASSIONATE between one another.” – K.48.29
This contradicts the Golden Rule. If you follow Mohammed you are VIOLENT to disbelievers, even those in your own family. Normative Islam.
mortimer says
Western cultural Marxists like Ben Affleck look the other way when Muslims commit atrocities because it isn’t a crime against humanity when NOBLE SAVAGE ALLIES AND OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED VICTIMS do it.
Dave J says
If one is not free to leave without repercussions that is proof that it is a Cult, not a Religion.
Despite the accusations of Islamophobia I think the truth about Islam is slowly emerging. It simply cannot withstand the light of day.
johnno says
Hi, Reading the local newspaper while on holiday in Thailand made me aware that up to 5000 people have been killed along the Thai / Malaysian border in the last 10 years. The Islamic population is 85%, in the 3 bordering Thai provinces. Buddhist temples have been attacked are now fortified and some monks are armed, some monks have been killed. The media never reports this, a villager was killed by a roadside bomb while I was there. Nothing mentioned in the western media. Cowards. Have read a lot on-line about Islam and now a regular visitor to TheReligionofpeace.com. The link below contains graphic images from the religion of peace in southern Thailand, be warned;
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/04/05/southern-thailand-islamic-separatists-burning-beheading-and-mutilating-buddhist-civilians-warning-graphic-images/
Sparks have been flying in France where 940 cars were reported torched on new Years Eve. Once again the western media failed to tell us the facts. The number of cars torched was down on last years total of over 1000 cars but this was put down to French “locals” now overseas fighting with ISIS.
I now need to buy a copy of the Koran to explain to others the truth. What version/translation is recommended? Thanks
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Part 1
Thanks for that information about Thailand. All I ever see from that part of the world is about Monks attacking Muslims in Burma which is regularly trotted out as a counter to the massive violence coming from Muslims around the world. I would bet my boots that it is primarily defensive and, in any case, I doubt if they do it screaming “Om”.
ECAW says
Part 2
Regarding Korans, I don’t bother with a printed version, there’s so much on the internet. I think probably the most commonly accepted “standard” version is Pickthall:
http://www.khayma.com/librarians/call2islaam/quran/pickthall/
The most inflammatory version, the “Wahhabi Koran”, would be Hilali-Khan:
http://www.noblequran.com/translation/index.html
It is the one handed out in all those Saudi funded mosques. My favourite verse is this one, making it quite clear whether jihad is still a requirement in the modern age:
8:60 “And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.”
It’s often necessary to compare different translations since they differ so much. This browser has 10 but there is one around with 50!
http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/
Lastly, this gives you the ability to search through the Shakir translation. Try entering “unbeliever” and find out what Allah thinks of you:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
ECAW says
Part 2
Regarding Korans, I don’t bother with a printed version, there’s so much on the internet. I think probably the most commonly accepted “standard” version is Pickthall:
http://www.khayma.com/librarians/call2islaam/quran/pickthall/
The most inflammatory version, the “Wahhabi Koran”, would be Hilali-Khan:
http://www.noblequran.com/translation/index.html
It is the one handed out in all those Saudi funded mosques. My favourite verse is this one, making it quite clear whether jihad is still a requirement in the modern age:
8:60 “And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allah does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.”
ECAW says
Part 3
It’s often necessary to compare different translations since they differ so much. This browser has 10 but there is one around with 50!
http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/
Lastly, this gives you the ability to search through the Shakir translation. Try entering “unbeliever” and find out what Allah thinks of you:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/
Kepha says
A few years back, I went to check on my son at his university. We went to eat ribs at a chain restaurant for dinner, and, lo and behold, at the next table were a bunch of hejab-wearing young ladies of very Mideastern appearance (but definitely American accents) sitting down to platters of–pork ribs! I wonder if they weren’t in the same boat as the young lady from Ontario mentioned in the article. I wish them the best. After all, Jesus the Messiah (may his peace be on us) declared all foods clean. May these young ladies continue to assimilate.
Phil says
What brave people the ex-muslims are to openly reveal themselves to possible violence by their former co-religionists! I can only hope the movement grows.
At the risk of pis*ing people off, might I gently suggest we should focus on the issue at hand – Islam and it’s supremacist agenda and avoid getting distracted by side-issues? And yes, Sally, I think Phyllis Chesler is superb – would that we had many more of her and far fewer emulations of Germaine Greer.
Joel says
I can believe I’m even reading this crap in 2014.
cheekturner says
Don’t believe it then! After all it is now 2015! Is that worse somehow? LOL!
Jae M says
These sad stories make me wonder how many are trapped in this cult of fear. The one woman who left and then threatened via Facebook by her father should show the police. Too often these threats are realized in murder. It is mind boggling that this supremely evil mentally encouraged by Islamic laws is tolerated to ANY extent.
Shmooviyet says
I would ask SallyA to ‘man up’ and return to answer the questions posted for her. It would also be appreciated if she gave some examples of the “misogyny” she sees among the comments. i am a woman who reads JW regularly, posts infrequently, and haven’t detected what I would call misogyny; quite the opposite. The amount of articles ( most not touched by the MSM ) detailing the horrors committed against women in the Muslim world, and the number of comments these articles receive are proof enough of that. At least to my little mind.
Also, although I could venture a guess, what the heck is “mansplaining”?? Haven’t heard this one before; perhaps I’m just out of the loop on fem-speak?
Lastly, I would like SallyA’s opinion on the Brandeis/ Ayaan Hirsi Ali controversy.
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Mirren10 says
”I would ask SallyA to ‘man up’ and return to answer the questions posted for her.”
Don’t hold your breath.
‘SallyA’ is an embarrassing type of those leftard feminists with a huge chip on their shoulder, and who are always looking for examples of male misogyny in the West. They just *luuurve* being victims, and like all leftists, and most feminists, prefer to sling arrows, pout and shriek, rather than honestly answer any questions/arguments put to them.
And I sure she’ll take exception to the phrase ”man up” ! 🙂 I would bet a load of money ‘SallyA’ is a ‘Harriet Harperson’, ‘chairperson’, ‘personhole cover’ etc type of ‘feminist’.
Women like her make me puke.
Shmooviyet says
Mirren10: … “personhole cover”…. thanks for the laugh.
Sally ran off to hide under one, refusing to answer her charges against all the man-bullies at JW.
I do wonder, though, what she’d make of the photos a couple of months back, of the nasty islamic men peering at a weeping 9 year-old girl, while another holds the girl’s legs back, as they begin her clitoridectomy. Weren’t those posted here? By the misogynist Mr. Spencer? Or was it the misogynist Pam Geller at AS?
Soon they will have a term for womyn-hating islamophobes.
gsspike says
I’ve complained for a long time about feminist groups tiptoeing are islam. They’re all over the news for a year because supposedly woman can’t afford a $9.00 morning after pill. Which by the way most women I’ve ask thought was a stupid issue most women could care less about. But islam is never mentioned even though it is a real and horrible issue.
If you think about it lately feminist groups make women whiny, weak, defenceless cry babies. What happened there.
Shmooviyet says
True, islam is rarely if ever mentioned. Too real-world, I suppose.
But give ’em a break. Playtexlessness is most likely painful after a while and could make anyone cranky.
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Homer says
Author Simon Cottee doesn’t mention, and may not know, that a hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57).
He quotes this hadith on page 3 of his recent book, ‘The Apostates – When Muslims Leave Islam’.