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India: Muslim cleric says what Charlie Hebdo jihadis did “was completely legitimate as per Sharia laws”

Jan 16, 2015 3:08 pm By Robert Spencer

Maulana Naseeruddin“Whoever curses a Prophet, kill him. Whoever curses my Companions, beat him.” — Muhammad

Muhammad asked: “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” One of the Muslims, Muhammad bin Maslama, answered, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).” Muhammad responded: “You may say it.” Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka’b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Bukhari 5.59.369)

“A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.” (Sunan Abu-Dawud 38.4349)

Will John Kerry fly to Hyderabad, with or without James Taylor, to explain to Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin how he is misunderstanding Islam?

“Muslim cleric in India leads special prayer to praise Charlie Hebdo killers,” Bharat Press, January 15, 2015 (thanks to Joji):

HYDERABAD: A video has come out showing a Muslim cleric in India leading a funeral prayer, where he praises and endorses the murder of cartoonists and satirists of the French magazine Charlie Hebdo.

This is the second major incident of someone in India openly supporting the Charlie Hebdo killers. Earlier a former minister of Uttar Pradesh had announced reward for the killers. This time the support for terrorists has come from South India.

OpIndia.com has found out that the video was shot in Hyderabad, the common capital of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, and the cleric is Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin, who is a well known and respected cleric and Khateeb in the old city.

In the video, Maulana Naseeruddin is seen describing the Charlie Hebdo terrorists as “martyrs” and making dua for their afterlife.

“Our lives are of no meaning if someone, who has insulted the prophet, is still alive,” he is heard telling the gathering of local Muslims in the video.

The funeral prayer held in absentia, known as Ghaibana-Namaz-e-Janaza, and the gathering took place in the Saidabad area of Hyderabad. The Maulana is also heard condemning the Unity Rally that took place in Paris on Sunday.

Later, talking to the reporter Abuaimal Akram, who uploaded the video on YouTube, Maulana Naseeruddin justified the act of terror at Charlie Hebdo’s office as a deed sanctioned by Islamic traditions.

In fact, he went out to claim (at 3:26 minutes onward in the video above) that Prophet Mohammad himself had ordered executions of people who had mocked or insulted Islam and Allah.

Maulana Naseeruddin further claims that as per the Islamic traditions, those insulting the faith and the prophet shouldn’t be forgiven, but killed. He adds that since there is no global leadership of Muslims, it become the responsibility of every Muslim to make sure that such offenders don’t go unpunished.

“What they (the terrorists) did was completely jaayaz (legitimate) as per shariyat laws,” he claims.

Concluding his interview, Maulana says that he endorses what was done by the terrorists in the French magazine office and that’s why he decided to lead this special prayer.

The incident has not attracted any mainstream media attention yet, and the video is being shared by some people on the social media.

While some may say that this Maulana is a fringe voice and should be ignored, it should be noted that Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin is not any random Muslim cleric.

Around 4 years ago, he became the symbol of Muslim victimization in the secular-liberal narrative when he was acquitted by a POTA court in Gujarat for lack of evidences after he spent 5 years in jail.

Though the court had clarified that he was released for lack of evidences, his case was highlighted by many secular-liberal commentators as being an example of how Muslims were wrongly detained and charged for crimes they had not committed by the Indian establishment.

Earlier in 2011, Maulana Naseeruddin had led Ghaibana-Namaz-e-Janaza for Osama Bin Laden too, but that incident was overshadowed as many others, including Kashmiri leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani had done the same. Now he has done the same, probably being the first Indian Muslim cleric to publicly glorify the France killings.

In wake of these incidents, which exposes his mindset where he endorses extra-judicial killings and terrorism, OpIndia.com hopes that the commentators realize that maybe they had jumped the gun four years ago.

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  1. Ashley says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    “Our lives are of no meaning if someone, who has insulted the prophet, is still alive,” he is heard telling the gathering of local Muslims in the video.
    ____________________________

    This is a blatant terror threat.

    • Bezelel says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 9:18 pm

      It is also a statement of futility.

  2. wildjew says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:20 pm

    Question for resident scholars on the Qur’an. I am discussing the Bible vs. the Qur’an with a man who goes by “arabjesus” on a left-leaning website. I posted a couple of passages in the Old Testament whereby God extends mercy toward both Israelites and non-Israelites asking him to please cite anything from the Qur’an whereby Allah extends mercy toward non-Muslims much less toward apostates from Islam. He posted the following:

    “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the ‘Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)”

    [al-Anbiya’ 4:107].

    “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity”

    [al-Mumtahanah 60:8].

    “And We (God) have not sent you (Muhammad) except as a mercy for mankind.”

    Qur’an 21:107

    I am familiar with the idea of abrogation and that verses in the Koran are not chronological. I understand the more accommodating verses were written earlier before Muhammad amassed considerable military might. Is that the best way to answer these? Or is it better to ask what it means in Islam deal justly and kindly with non-Muslims, those who do not “fight” against Muhammad?

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      Hi WildJew. Good questions. You wrote:

      Question for resident scholars on the Qur’an. I am discussing the Bible vs. the Qur’an with a man who goes by “arabjesus” on a left-leaning website. I posted a couple of passages in the Old Testament whereby God extends mercy toward both Israelites and non-Israelites asking him to please cite anything from the Qur’an whereby Allah extends mercy toward non-Muslims much less toward apostates from Islam. He posted the following:

      “And We have sent you (O Muhammad SAW) not but as a mercy for the ‘Alameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists)”

      “And We (God) have not sent you (Muhammad) except as a mercy for mankind.”
      …………………………….

      The above references to Muhammed being a “mercy” on mankind do not mean, of course, that he treated anyone mercifully. They just mean that bringing Islam to mankind is a “mercy”. How that creed is spread need not be merciful; and indeed, it rarely is.

      More:

      “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity”
      …………………………….

      This refers to Infidels who do nothing to resist Muslim supremacy, and who either convert to Islam or agree to pay the crushing Jizya and live as oppressed dhimmis.

      *None* of these references refer to real mercy—and *certainly* not to any sort of “Golden Rule”.

      None of these are necessarily abrogated verses; they just aren’t nearly as benign as they first seem.

      Hope this is helpful, and hope you are doing well.

      • wildjew says

        Jan 16, 2015 at 4:47 pm

        gravenimage, yes thanks. That helps a lot. That is how I thought I might approach it because Islam’s idea of mercy, justice is very different from the Judeo-Christian conception of mercy and justice. I thought I might ask him what portion of Muslim world thinks Israel is not fighting against Allah and his prophet. No question the United States is “fighting against Allah and his prophet.” But as you say, if non-Muslims refuse to either convert to or submit to the authority of Islam, then we are fighting against Islam and the prophet.

        • mortimer says

          Jan 16, 2015 at 11:35 pm

          WAFA SULTAN described how Muslims see ‘mercy’:

          “…Arguing with Muslims becomes more complicated when they try to persuade you that their God is also merciful, patient, and forbearing. I asked a Muslim doctor who specializes in psychiatry: “How can you persuade your son that God is simultaneously merciful and vengeful? Doesn’t teaching this type of religious lesson contain a contradiction which splits the child’s personality and makes him feel more lost and confused?” He replied: “No. I teach him that God is merciful with believers and vengeful toward unbelievers. I don’t see any contradiction in this.” I asked again: “How do you teach your son to tell the difference between believers and unbelievers so that he’ll know with whom to be merciful and toward whom to be vengeful?” He said, beaming: “A believer is one who believes in God, his Prophet, and the Day of Judgment and so forth.” I inquired: “So when your son hijacks a civilian plane full of passengers, hurtles into a tower, and kills three thousand ‘unbelievers’ he won’t be doing anything outside the boundaries of what his God and ideal would do? Is that the way to distinguish between believers and unbelievers?” The conversation ended with shouts and screams and turned into a futile argument that led only to my being accused of blasphemy, apostasy, and sympathy for the enemies of God and his Prophet!”

      • Wellington says

        Jan 16, 2015 at 5:41 pm

        Excellent reply to wildjew, gravenimage. Instructive how so very important it is to parse what Islamic texts say about most anything, as you did very effectively.

        God, I’m so sick of Islam in general but one of the things I’m most sick of where this wretched religion is concerned is how it plays word games time and time again, another example being how Islam abhors and condemns the killing of innocents but, of course, it all depends on how “innocents” is defined by Mo’s creed.

        Hate Islam’s word games. They’re tedious, deceptive, frustrating and, perhaps worst of all, schooling oneself in them takes one away from far more productive pursuits like drinking beer, watching football and viewing Looney Tunes with Bugs, Daffy, Porky (oh yeah, can’t forget Porkey for an ADDITIONAL Reason) and Tweety Bird. Just sayin’.

        • Anti-Dhimmitude says

          Jan 17, 2015 at 1:10 am

          Well, it’s not exactly a word game, it’s just so “terrifically” simple that most people don’t realize it.
          For instance “islamic justice” “islamic mercy” … “islamic peace” …
          Because in the koran, “kaffirs” don’t really have any right to live… (which may not be PC regardless of however you see it) but it’s well…. other great ideas include “the one religion for all” etc. and “islamic mercy” for those who tend to differ.

          I’m sure most islamists tend to follow Obama/Biden/PC “Interepretation of the quaran”, out in a store near you! .. cheers. Though readers are cautioned that Obama’s “interpretation” leans lovingly close to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      “Deal justly” means act with Sharia justice (such as no retaliation for killing a kafir).

      • wildjew says

        Jan 16, 2015 at 5:04 pm

        Thanks for the reminder.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Jan 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm

          It’s best to approach Islamspeak as if it were the Newspeak in Orwell’s 1984.

          You know – Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery,. War is Peace, that kind of thing.

          Whenever mohammedans call their allah ‘the merciful, the compassionate’, I also think of the sort of ‘warding-off’ language that is used when, for example, the ancient Greeks called the Furies the ‘Eumenides’ or the pre-Christian Irish referred to the terrifying Sidh (*not* benign ‘elves’) as “the Good People”.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 2:50 pm

        WildJew, Mortimer, Wellington, Anti-Dhimmitude, Michael Copeland, and Dumbledore’s Army—all important comments on how Muslims use language.

        “Innocents”, “Mercy”, and “Justice” all have specifically Islamic references—only pious Muslims are innocent; mercy is whatever spreads Islam, and justice only refers to brutal and oppressive Shari’ah law.

        I would also add “terrorism” to that list now. When Muslims “condemn terrorism”, they are often not referring to suicide bombings and the deliberate slaughter of civilians, but to Infidels *defending* themselves against Jihad terror. This is the meaning of such (to the West) bizarre claims that the United States and Israel are “the real terrorists”.

        Perhaps even more grotesque is the fact that victims in Dar-al-Islam who have been accused of ‘blasphemy’ are increasingly being prosecuted under *terrorism* statutes.

        In these cases, the peaceful journalists and cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo would be considered “terrorists”, and those who cold-bloodedly butchered them would not be.

        And yet, many hopeful Infidels take Muslim “condemnation of terrorism” at face value.

        Understanding how Islam uses language is a very important element in countering Jihad.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm

      The limitations on fighting are a part of the phases of warfare revealed to Muhammad, peace and tolerance verses accompany Muhammad when weak and outnumbered in Mecca; the right to wage defensive warfare only is revealed as the numbers of Muslims rise; then the obligation to wage jihad and subjugate the disbelievers (and scourge the hypocrites) when Muslims have the upper hand “be not weary and fainthearted crying for peace when you should be uppermost” (47:35). This is mainstream understanding by the consensus of Muslims scholars, as is the fact the last revelations of warfare in Surah Nine abrogate any previous “understandings” with the kaffir. You also have the clear example of Islamic history demonstrating how the companions and successors of Muhammad understood 9:29, for instance, and acted upon it, and how it passed into Islamic Law both in Jihad doctrine and in creating dhimmitude (subjugated) status for non-Muslims in Muslim lands.

      Suyuti in his book استنباط التنزيل (Istenbat al tanzeel) says: “Every thing in the Qur’an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5.” Al-Shawkani in his book السيل الجرار (Alsaylu Jarar 4:518-519) says: “Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case.”
      –http://answering-islam.org/Terrorism/peace-loving.html

      Ibn Kathir- “This honorable Ayah (9:5) was called the Ayah of the Sword, about which Ad-Dahhak bin Muzahim said, “It abrogated every agreement of peace between the Prophet and any idolator, EVERY TREATY, AND EVERY TERM.” Al-‘Awfi said that Ibn ‘Abbas commented: “No idolator had any more treaty or promise ever since Sura Bara’ah was revealed. The four months, in addition to, all peace treaties conducted before Bara’ah was revealed and announced had ended by the tenth of the month of Rabi’ Al-Akhir.” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged) Volume 4 (Surat Al-A’raf to the end of Surah Yunus), by Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, First Edition: May 2000, pp. 375, 377; cf. online edition)

      “When the Prophet migrated from Mecca to Medina God ordered him to fight those who fought him only. Then when the Chapter of Repentance (NINE) was revealed, God commanded His Prophet to fight anyone who did not become a Muslim..whether (they) fought him or not.” Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya 1981 pt5,p90

      “Islam has approved war so that the Word of God becomes supreme. This is war from the Cause of God (Holy War). Muhammad therefore, sent his ambassadors to eight kings and princes in the neighborhood of the Arab peninsula to call them to embrace Islam. They rejected his call. Thus, it became incumbent on the Muslims to fight them.” Dr. Afifi Abdul Fattah “The Spirit of the Islamic Religion” p.382

      “The foreign policy of Islamic States must be to carry the Islamic mission to the world by way of Holy War. This process has never been changed at all. The Apostle Muhammad, from the time he founded the State in the city of Yathrib, prepared an army and began holy war to remove the physical barriers which hinder the spread of Islam..by holy war, countries and regions were conquered. By holy war, kingdoms and states were removed and Islam ruled the nations and peoples.” –The Book of the Islamic State, al-Nabhani, 1953 p.112

      Relations between Muslims and non-Muslims are determined by a Qur’anic doctrine called al wala wal al baraa translated as Allegiance and Rejection or Loyalty and Enmity. It means a Muslim’s allegiance and loyalty are only to fellow Muslims. His attitude towards disbelievers in Islam is that of Allah’s: hate and enmity. Yes, hate. This doctrine governs the relationship of a Muslim to non-Muslims. Similarly, Jihad is an obligation, a decree of Allah, and for all time. Not negotiable, not debatable, not reformable.

      “Islamic faith is based on the separation of Muslim and kafir and that the kafir is an enemy of Allah forever until he embraces Islam discarding his kufar, Allah has forbidden the believers from pleading any allegiance to the kuffar or showing them any affection even if they were their fathers, brothers, children, kinsmen or their spouses as stated in sura 58:22…one of the basic principles of belief in Islam is that we must believe that every Jew, Christian or other person who does not enter Islam is a kafir..and regarded as enemies of Allah, His Messenger and the believers, and that they are the people of Hell.” —Islamqa.com Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid

    • mortimer says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 11:43 pm

      Dear Wildjew and anyone who’s interested:

      The answer to your question about ‘mercy’ towards KAFIRS begins with the doctrine of Al-Walaa wal-Baraa (the Islamic apartheid doctrine). It is complicated.

      This has also been called ‘dualism’ by Bill Warner (look it up under ‘Kafirs’).

      The Koran verse that is most useful in your argument is K. 48.29

      Koran 48:29 is a verse that clearly and unmistakably, perhaps even deliberately, contradicts the Golden Rule:

      Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
      Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the unbelievers (kufaar),
      Compassionate amongst themselves.” (Richard Bell’s translation)

      Arabic: “Muhammadun Resoulu-llaahi, wa-ladhiina ma’ahu ashidda’u ‘ala-l kuffaari, ruhama’u baynahum.” Koran 48:29

      The Arabic Word ‘ASHIDDAA’ is Critical:

      The Arabic (aSHiddaa3u) word covers a very broad semantic field and the specific meaning depends on the context in which the word is used. It’s usual meanings include powerful, sharp, ardent, extreme, strong, intensive, rigorous, severe, vehement, quick, violent, and vigorous. The above adjectives make the ayat even more severe and discriminatory. If the verse in question is to be understood in the context of self-defense against physical attacks by unbelievers, then words like harsh, terrible, implacable are probably correct. If the verse is to be understood in a broader, religious context, then a better choice would be made from words like strong, ardent, severe, stalwart, unmoved, unremitting, uncompromising, etc.

      A recurring theme in the Qur’an is opposition to disbelief and mutual support within the community of believers. There may be, however, a problem with the translation of this verse. The key word is rendered as “harsh” in your version. Other translators use other words. Yusuf ‘Ali uses “strong”. Rodwell uses “vehement”. Dawood uses “ruthless”. Palmer uses “vehement”. Pickthall uses “hard”. In French, Grosjean uses “dur” (harsh or hard) and Kasimirski uses “terrible”. Ben Mahmoud uses “implacable”.

      But in any context, the ayat implies the application of a DOUBLE STANDARD whenever one is wronged by a non-believer as opposed to a believer.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 1:27 pm

        Excellent post, Mortimer.

  3. Holy Prophet APF says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    Our lives are of no meaning if someone, who has insulted the prophet, is still alive.

    Of course this is true, because by definition being a Moslem is observing its scripture, its principles and laws. Also true is that the Hebdo mass murder was completely legitimate by Islamic Law, the Sharia. This is because Sharia trumps Infidel law wherever a Moslem is, and the ruling Infidel elites have given Sharia a reserve place in our legal systems, where they otherwise would be held illegal. But Moslems did the mass murder and so that is ok.

    But why is an esteemed scholar like Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin issuing on this? Tayipp and Vlad just proclaimed the insulting of the Holy Prophet to be illegal, so how this “tragic episode” came about is already covered, by secular rulers. I guess maybe it’s just that esteemed scholar Maulana Mohammed Naseeruddin wanted in on the action.

    • Ashley says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      I get that.

      But what fucking good does it do to say shit like “See something, say something”? What good does it do to ask FB, Twitter, and other social media outlets to monitor their sites? What good does it do to report youTube videos that incite violence?

      If terrorist threats and attacks are “kosher” under Sharia, and Sharia continues to creep into Western society, we’re screwed.

      I’m certainly not mad at YOU, Holy Prophet APF…just frustrated as hell.

  4. Anon says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    I’m sure Maulana Naseeruddin is just a “moderate” according to don’t-cair and just-air-bomb-ya.

  5. gravenimage says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    India: Muslim cleric says what Charlie Hebdo jihadis did “was completely legitimate as per Sharia laws”
    ………………………………

    He’s not wrong. Damn barbarian.

    More:

    He adds that since there is no global leadership of Muslims, it become the responsibility of every Muslim to make sure that such offenders don’t go unpunished.
    ………………………………

    This is also mainstream Islam. If the state is not murdering “blasphemers”, then it is up to the Ummah to do so.

    • GWS says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm

      Obama prefers to call them “lone wolves” , having no connection to Islam.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 19, 2015 at 12:38 pm

        Yes. This is gravely mistaken *at best*, and outright lying and whitewash at worst. Members of the Ummah fulfilling the death penalty on “blasphemers”, “heretics”, and apostates is mainstream Islam, and has been since the earliest days of that violent, oppressive creed.

  6. R Cole says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Protesters in Pakistan seem to agree!!

    That is why Islamic societies are so – unstable – anyone seeming to be going against the religion can be lawfully attacked in the name of defending the faith.

    It starts in the home – honor killings, attacks on people who are more secular – attacks on those who leave the faith – and god forbid don’t suggest the religion needs to be reformed – you might get flogged 1500 times – if not shot dead like lawmakers have been in Pakistan.

    The truth is Muslims are resigned to individuals being attacked for religious reasons in their societies – they are so acclimatized to it – they are so conditioned — Of course you offended Islam – you should die /be attacked – but when outsiders look at this – and ask isn’t Islam violent — this vigilante behavior is so integral to the faith – they don’t even know what you are talking about!

    • mortimer says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 11:30 pm

      “vigilante behavior is integral to the faith”

      This is the mindset of about 65% of Muslims. The other 35% are cultural Muslims who are non-observant.

      • GWS says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 3:46 pm

        “Non-observant?” Rather, they are shaking in their boots in hopes no one will notice them. If they speak out at all they risk being apostates, which is a worse fate than being kafir.

  7. Neil Jennison says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Why do Muslims always say “peace be upon him” after mentioning Mohammed? Peaceable isn’t exactly the first thing that springs to mind when you read the accounts of his life……

    • zebo says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 5:35 pm

      Well,he was a man of perpetual war when he was alive .Maybe they hope he will at least find peace.

      Or maybe muslims somehow feel that mohammed is in hell forever and they hope that the devil will give him a little bit of peace.

      BUT imo the reason is much simpler.
      Sociopathic people are masters of double speak orwellian style .They don’t know what empathy is and consider it as obstacle and sign of weakness that should be exploited
      but they know very well how to fool and missuse people,
      therefore they built a murderous system and hide it as -good-doer-thing.
      They call slavery freedom and war peace
      and by forcing people to repeat perpetually PBUH every time they mention his name
      they start to believe this even if they know he was violent.

      I am pretty sure if people are forced to say 20x a day that hitler was peacefull
      within a year they will really believe he was a peacefull person simply because they have repeated this mantra so many times that it was manifested in your brain as reality.

      As islam is violent in almost every way the PBUH is very important for conditioning,as ,no matter what ugly violent truth they read about mohammed peace will be the end result.

      Take a look at muslim violence.Impossible to ignore,but as they are conditioned to believe”islam=religion of peace” truth has no chance.
      Every 5 year old is able to realise that islam is a piece of shit and extremly dangerous,but even most western people still believe that islam is peaceful because western authoroties say so and they will only change their mind if their authorities say that islam is not peaceful.

  8. Salome says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    His honesty is commendable.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 10:53 pm

      Salome wrote:

      His honesty is commendable.
      ………………………………….

      Salome, as appalling—and dangerous—as Taqiyya is, it is also a backhanded acknowledgment by Muslims of Infidel power. They whitewash Islam and pretend it is benign when they fear resistance against Jihad from the Kuffar, if they understood what a threat Islam really represents.

      But note: Muslims virtually *never* use Taqiyya when the have the upper hand. No Muslim in the Islamic State is telling their Christian and Yazidi victims that Islam “is a religion of peace”, for instance, because they know that brutalized minorities there can do nothing to defend themselves.

      So this from Maulana is less “commendable honesty”, and more that he is so emboldened that he longer believes that he or his violent coreligionists have any reason to soft-pedal their vicious creed any longer.

      • mortimer says

        Jan 16, 2015 at 11:25 pm

        No doubt, his congregation is as fanatical or more so than he is. 15% of Muslims support terrorism. ‘Only’ about 200,000,000.

        Relax.

    • Jay Boo says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 pm

      Exodus from Medina
      Desert jinn spirits spoke in twisted verse, a dance of words to recite, to recite. Medina’s false prophet this rehearsed in a cave near Mecca veiled by night. But the angel Gabriel saw his descent, and said “Pawn of Satan turn, repent, repent.” But, sharia’s verse planted its infected creed, fertilized by Allah’s three-daughter prophet’s made-up dream. Attempts to partner with a pompous ass Allah were dredged up from the lowest pit of Muhammad’s vanity.
      Bloodied hands are now washed before prayers that incite as hate speech is masked as devotion to recite, to recite. Along Medina’s “fastest growing” path straight to hell, Muslims bow not to Allah but to Islam’s unholy weapon, Islamic filth. Whenever false humility makes its hajj to Satan’s deception villainy crawls from Islam’s stockpile of vile, veiled verse.

      This cult intimidates then hides behind the “cloak of religion” aided by willful ignorance of liars with shameless intentions. Opportunistic traitors are so eager to be seen defending this intolerant disease. They pose together in staged, self-congratulatory vanity feasts like parasites who piously pander, creep, scavenge and scheme. They are helped by a P. C. news media that plays truth “hide and seek.”
      Stealth jihad taqiyya infects from Wahhabi deserts across the sea, as well-funded politicians face east to praise Medina’s satanic P. R. deceit.

  9. Angemon says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Our lives are of no meaning if someone, who has insulted the prophet, is still alive,” he is heard telling the gathering of local Muslims in the video.

    Now wait just a damn minute. Muslims whine that Christians add a partner to God when they say Jesus is the Son of God. Why is it that a muslim cleric is saying that worshiping allah is meaningless if someone who insults the prophet is allowed to live? Who wears the pants in that relationship, muhammad or allah?

    • pumbar says

      Jan 16, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      Not so much pants as a sock puppet.

  10. deja vu says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    How many people are aware that historically there have been plenty of depictions of Mohammed, paintings, engravings – even satirical drawings. What we’re seeing today is just another excuse for Muslim ‘rage’ and ‘holy war’ against the kufr.

    The diabolic powers behind this noxious ideology must be getting desperate. We can only hope that this time they’ve gone too far. The free world is starting to wake up at last.

    http://facesofmohammed.ip0.eu/

  11. gerard says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    “Muslim cleric in India leads special prayer to praise Charlie Hebdo killers,”
    Their “god” is clearly the Devil.
    The true God says: Thou shalt not kill.
    The muslim “god” says: Kill the unbeliever wherever you find them.
    Night and day.

  12. profitsbeard says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    Homicidal maniacs find the type of deity the desire.

    Allah is a retrograde type of “god” who requires blood sacrifice, blind obedience, hysteria and sadism.

    It is a Death Cult filled with cowed cretins and homicidal devotees.

  13. Katnis says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Saying that something is legit under sharia law is like saying something is legit under tooth fairy law.

    That’s why we have a separation of church and state. If you don’t get this, then get the f*** out of our civilized countries. You don’t belong here!

  14. Dracula says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Everything adversely critical has already been said, so I’ll just say he has a nice wizard beard.

  15. mortimer says

    Jan 16, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    OF COURSE IT’S ‘LEGITIMATE’ FOR VIGILANTES TO EXECUTE BLASPHEMERS !

    But where do Muslim terrorists get there deadly ideas from?

    From Islamic Commentaries:
    -“Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions… whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be EXECUTED even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir.” – Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438
    -as-Suyuti writes: “(If they break their oaths…) This ayah (K. 9:11-12) is used as a proof by those who say that if a dhimmi attacks Islam or the Qur’an or mentions the Prophet in a bad manner, HE IS KILLED, whether he has broken a treaty or not. Those who say that his repentance is accepted use as a proof, ‘hopefully they will stop.’” … (after being killed)
    -“(And if they) the people of Mecca (break their pledges) which are between you and them (after their treaty (has been made with you) and assail your religion) and DEFAME THE RELIGION OF ISLAM, then FIGHT (Arabic: kill ‘q-t-l’) the leaders of disbelief: Abu Sufyan and his host. Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist from breaking their pledges.” – from Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs

    From hadiths:
    -“It is related that a man forged lies against the Prophet and he sent ‘Ali and az-Zubayr to KILL him. Ibn Qani’ related that a man came to the Prophet and said, “Messenger of Allah, I heard my FATHER say something ugly about you, so I KILLED HIM,” and that did not distress the Prophet. – Hadiths

    From Koranic Verses Censoring Criticism of Islam:
    -K.2:193. “And FIGHT (q-t-l) them until there is no more Fitnah” (disagreeing with Mohammed), i.e. fight and KILL disbelievers until no one expresses disagreement with Mohammed.
    -K.9:11-12 “But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and TAUNT YOU for your Faith, – FIGHT (and KILL) ye the chiefs of Unfaith, for their oaths are nothing to them, that thus they may be restrained.”
    -K.11.173 “Believers, RETALIATION is decreed for you in BLOODSHED.”
    -K.58:5 “Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be laid low”…with violence.

    From Approval of Vigilantism by Top Islamic Religious Authorities
    In 1993, top Sunni religious authorities from Al Azhar University confirmed that vigilantes may commit murder in the enforcement of Sharia law if the state does not do it. This means every single Muslim has implicit authorization from Islam’s top authorities to commit vigilante killing to defend Islam.

    From the Sharia law manual Reliance of the Traveller:
    Sharia permits the murder of anyone who verbally opposes Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
    “There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593

    100% Islamic…100% legitimate…100% vigilantism

  16. Oh Shiite says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:44 am

    So this is what really happened to Pappa Smurf, he went to India and became a Muslim cleric. Doesn’t he look terrible and talk utter shit straight out of the Koran.

  17. dlbrand says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:57 am

    “Muslim cleric says what Charlie Hebdo jihadis did ‘was completely legitimate as per Sharia laws'”

    Indeed. Nothing more than basic provable Islam in practice.

    • shabeerhassan0 says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 3:36 am

      WHO R THE KILLERS OF NON RELIGIOUS PPL:

      Mark 14:55-63

      55 The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death, but they did not find any. 56 Many testified falsely against him, but their statements did not agree. 57 Then some stood up and gave this false testimony against him: 58 “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.’ ” 59 Yet even then their testimony did not agree. 60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” 63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

      You can see that they were so desperate that they had to get false witnesses to testify against Jesus. But that didn’t even work. Then when Jesus said that he is God’s son they went crazy and accused him of blasphemy out of sheer desperation to have him killed. But I already quoted Jesus in John 10:31-39 in how he defends himself against this accusation and how he shows the misunderstanding that the Jews had of scripture.

      Leviticus 24:10-23English Standard Version (ESV)

      Punishment for Blasphemy
      10 Now an Israelite woman’s son, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the people of Israel. And the Israelite woman’s son and a man of Israel fought in the camp, 11 and the Israelite woman’s son blasphemed the Name, and cursed. Then they brought him to Moses. His mother’s name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan. 12 And they put him in custody, till the will of the Lord should be clear to them.

      13 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 14 “Bring out of the camp the one who cursed, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head, and let all the congregation stone him. 15 And speak to the people of Israel, saying, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin. 16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

      • Angemon says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 7:55 am

        shabeerhassan0 posted:

        “WHO R THE KILLERS OF NON RELIGIOUS PPL:”

        quran 3:56
        And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.

        quran 8:39
        And fight them until there is no fitnah and the religion, all of it, is for Allah.

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        quran 47:4
        So when you meet the ones who have disbelieved, then it is striking of the necks until, when you have subjugated (Wrongly understood by Arberry and others to mean “slaughter”) them, then uphold the bonds; (i.e., take them captives) then (it is) either being bounteous (i.e., “showing” bounty by setting them free) hereafter (to them), or (exacting) ransom, until the war lays down its encumbrances.

        • shabeer_hassan says

          Jan 17, 2015 at 9:43 am

          @I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter……

          here i stand for not Muslim ppl,it stand for creator of universe Almighty god, he has right to punish his creation…….

          @no fitnah and the religion
          Fithna: protection from the enemy from their oppression/problems /terrorism/vilonce/ trial
          10:85 They said: “In Allah we put our trust. Our Lord! Make us not a trial for the folk who are wrongdoers.
          10:86 “And save us by Your mercy from the disbelieving folk.”
          8:25 And fear the Fitnah (affliction and trial) which affects not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong, and know that Allah is severe in punishment.
          8: 73. And those who disbelieve are allies to one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so (i.e. become allies, as one united block with one Khalifah – chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allâh’s Religion of Islâmic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).
          60: 5. “Our Lord! Make us not a trial for the disbelievers, and forgive us, Our Lord! Verily, You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.”
          29:10. Of mankind are some who say: “We believe in Allâh,” but if they are made to suffer for the sake of Allâh, they consider the trial of mankind as Allâh’s punishment, and if victory comes from your Lord, (the hypocrites) will say: “Verily! We were with you (helping you).” Is not Allâh Best Aware of what is in the breast of the ‘Alamîn (mankind and jinns).
          Fithna: protection of family, property, children and neighbors
          Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 216
          Fithna: killing & captiving innocent people:
          Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 215

          @47:4
          The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence. After thirteen years of endurance and patience, the prophet and his companions had to leave their home town of Makkah and to emigrate to Madinah. When the people of Madinah had welcomed him there and he was accepted as a leader there, the Makkans became unhappy. They wanted to eliminate Muhammad and his religion; and so they sent their army to root out Islam. And the crucial battle took place in Badr. It was just before this that Muhammad received the revelation from God to fight:
          {And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.} (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

          This meant that the Prophet and his companions were not to start the fighting; but to defend themselves against aggressors. That was how fighting was ordained; but we must know that once we fight, we fight to defeat the aggressors, so that we can live without fear of molestation and invasion; so that we can live in peace; so that justice is done. Remember God does not command any one to start fighting; rather He permits people to fight in self defence or for the defence of those who are attacked unjustly.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 18, 2015 at 4:55 pm

          The copy/pasting shabeer_hassan posted:

          “@47:4
          The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence. After thirteen years of endurance and patience, the prophet and his companions had to leave their home town of Makkah and to emigrate to Madinah. When the people of Madinah had welcomed him there and he was accepted as a leader there, the Makkans became unhappy. They wanted to eliminate Muhammad and his religion; and so they sent their army to root out Islam.
          ”

          Huh, shabeer? I know your books. Muhammad was driven out of mecca because he insulted the Meccans’ gods and ancestors. The meccans only sent an army against muhammad after muhammad raided their caravans several times, killing a meccan.

          Muhammad started the hostilities. And he got “revelations” sanctioning his caravan-raiding ways.

    • shabeerhassan0 says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 3:37 am

      The absolute freedom of religion in Islam:

      Some group of Muslims believe in killing apostates because they follow a Hadith (Saying) from Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him regarding the apostates. While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed. Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting.

      Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72 “A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam).” To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it. This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.

      Allah Almighty ordered the Muslims to kill the pagans who fought against the Muslims. The following Noble Verse talks about all of the enemies who fought the Muslims long and bloody battles:

      Let us look at Noble Verse 2:191 “And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.” The killing of the pagans who fought the Muslims during the time when Islam was not yet complete was essential.

      Important Note: Noble Verse 2:191 above is not dedicated to the apostates as some Muslims use it to prove that the Noble Quran orders the killing of apostates. In fact, it doesn’t even mention the apostates. It talks in general about slaying the pagans who declare wars on the Muslims. The pagans would obviously include the apostates who deserted Islam, but the Noble Verse certainly doesn’t DIRECTLY order the killing of anyone who deserts Islam.

      Allah Almighty promised that He will protect the Noble Quran from any corruption:

      “We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption). (The Noble Quran, 15:9)”

      “Nay, this is a Glorious Quran, (inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved! (The Noble Quran, 85:21-22)”

      Let us look at Noble Verse 5:3 “…..This day those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: Yet fear them not But fear Me (Allah). This day have I (Allah) perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your (complete) religion….”. So long as Islam was not organized, with its own community and its own laws, the unbelievers and the Hypocrites from the People of the Book and the Pagan Arabs had hoped to wean the believers from the new teaching. Now that hope is gone forever with the complete organization of Islam.

      Let us look at Noble Verses 15:2-3 “Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).”

      Let us look at Noble Verses 10:99-100 “If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.”

      Let us look at Noble Verse 18:29 “Say, ‘The truth is from your Lord’: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!”

      Let us look at Noble Verse 27:92 “And to rehearse the Qur’an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray, say: ‘I am only a Warner.'”

      • Angemon says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 7:52 am

        shabeerhassan0 posted:

        “The absolute freedom of religion in Islam”

        quran 3:56
        And as for those who disbelieved, I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.

        quran 4:89
        They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

        quran 8:39
        And fight them until there is no fitnah and the religion, all of it, is for Allah.

        • shabeer_hassan says

          Jan 17, 2015 at 9:47 am

          4:88-91 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they forsake the domain of evil in the way of God (from what is forbidden). But if they revert to [open] enmity, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (Of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto; if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them; in their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them

          So in the same manner as the first verse, this verse also only commands Muslims to fight those who practice oppression or persecution, or attack the Muslims. And in the event of a battle, the same laws of war are in place and a Muslim who transgresses limits should prepare for the punishment of God. In response to a question on verses 4:88-89, Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi quotes the verses in their full context and then asks the following:
          Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere? These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis. They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 17, 2015 at 3:49 pm

        The appalling Muslim apologist shabeer hassan wrote:

        WHO R THE KILLERS OF NON RELIGIOUS PPL:

        Mark 14:55-63

        55 The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death…
        ………………………………….

        Never mind the rather hilarious idea that Jesus Christ is a “NON RELIGIOUS PPL”—shabeer hassan has to go *back to the Sanhedrin* to find an example of non-Muslims willing to kill for perceived blasphemy.

        More:

        …how he shows the misunderstanding that the Jews had of scripture.
        ………………………………….

        This is, of course, less an example for shabeer hassan, and more another excuse to accuse the Jews of “misunderstanding” scripture.

        The fact is that Muslims consider Christians to be “misunderstanders” of scripture every bit as much as Jews.

        Then—predictably—he has to go back to Leviticus. What Jews or Christians are murdering “blasphemers” in the name of Leviticus? Yet his own violent coreligionists are slaughtering those they consider “blasphemers” *today*—and pious Muslim clerics like the one above are *lauding them for it*.

        More:

        @I will punish them with a severe punishment in this world and the Hereafter……

        here i stand for not Muslim ppl,it stand for creator of universe Almighty god, he has right to punish his creation…….
        ………………………………….

        What rot. The reference to a “severe punishment in this world” does not refer to some punishment from “Allah”, such as ED, stretch marks, or shingles—instead, it refers to violent Muslims attacking and punishing in “Allah’s” name.

        More:

        @no fitnah and the religion
        Fithna: protection from the enemy from their oppression/problems /terrorism/vilonce/ trial
        ………………………………….

        That’s not *all* “Fitna” refers to. Any criticism of Islam—including the Charlie Hebdo cartoons—is considered Fitna, and is punishable by pious Muslims.

        More:

        …as one united block with one Khalifah – chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world to make victorious Allâh’s Religion of Islâmic Monotheism), there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism, etc.) and oppression on earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism).
        ………………………………….

        Like any pious Mohammedan, shabeer hassan is a supporter of the oppressive Caliphate, and wants to see all of us forced to live as dhimmis under Muslim rule—and *any* resistance is considered Fitna.

        More:

        @47:4
        The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence…
        ………………………………….

        What rot. This Sura urges Muslims to butcher, kidnap, enslave, and ransom Infidels. The “Believers” have followed this model ever since.

        More:

        This meant that the Prophet and his companions were not to start the fighting; but to defend themselves against aggressors. That was how fighting was ordained; but we must know that once we fight, we fight to defeat the aggressors, so that we can live without fear of molestation and invasion; so that we can live in peace; so that justice is done. Remember God does not command any one to start fighting; rather He permits people to fight in self defence or for the defence of those who are attacked unjustly.
        ………………………………….

        What crap. After Muhammed established himself in Medina, he and his followers embarked in an orgy of conquest. Would shabeer hassan have us believe that the conquest of the entire Arabian peninsula, Spain, Persia, India, and the Byzantine Empire was entirely “defensive”?

        And when has Islam *ever* been peaceful?

        More:

        The absolute freedom of religion in Islam:

        Some group of Muslims believe in killing apostates because they follow a Hadith (Saying) from Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him regarding the apostates. While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed. Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting…

        Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72 “A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam).” To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it. This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.
        ………………………………….

        Ah—right. Firstly, this shows that the vile shabeer hassan believes that if a Muslim thinks an apostate intended to abandon Islam from the beginning, that he should be murdered.

        This also would not explain why Muslims slaughter apostates today—why, indeed, the murder of apostates is a key component of Shari’ah law.

        This doesn’t sound like “absolute freedom of religion” to me. What shabeer hassan means is absolute freedom to *practice Islam*, and nothing else.

        More:

        Important Note: Noble Verse 2:191 above is not dedicated to the apostates as some Muslims use it to prove that the Noble Quran orders the killing of apostates. In fact, it doesn’t even mention the apostates. It talks in general about slaying the pagans who declare wars on the Muslims. The pagans would obviously include the apostates who deserted Islam, but the Noble Verse certainly doesn’t DIRECTLY order the killing of anyone who deserts Islam.
        ………………………………….

        No one has ever claimed that the above refers specifically to apostates—instead, it refers to all non-Muslims.

        More:

        4:88-91 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): so take not friends from their ranks until they forsake the domain of evil in the way of God (from what is forbidden). But if they revert to [open] enmity, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them…
        ………………………………….

        shabeer hassan would have us believe that “open enmity” refers only to offensive warfare, but this is not true. *Any* resistance to Muslim supremacy is considered enmity—not just defensive warfare, but even criticism of Islam like the Charlie Hebdo cartoons or Jihad Watch.

        More:

        So in the same manner as the first verse, this verse also only commands Muslims to fight those who practice oppression or persecution, or attack the Muslims.
        ………………………………….

        “Oppression” can constitute nothing more than preventing Muslims from imposing Shari’ah law—in other words, every non-Muslim country is hence “oppressive”.

        More:

        Now tell me honestly, do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere?
        ………………………………….

        Of course not—only Infidels. No one claimed that these verses gave Muslims the right to kill other pious Muslims.

        More:

        One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.”
        ………………………………….

        I just mentioned this Muslim turnspeak—that anyone *resisting* Jihad terrorism is a “terrorist”. *Ugh*.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 18, 2015 at 4:57 pm

          Great post GI, great post.

        • gravenimage says

          Jan 18, 2015 at 9:15 pm

          Thank you, Angemon.

          That means a lot to me coming from you—you do yeoman’s work countering the Taqiyya of Jihad apologists here yourself, which is always much appreciated.

        • Angemon says

          Jan 19, 2015 at 6:13 am

          🙂

  18. Salah says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 2:56 am

    “While some may say that this Maulana is a fringe voice and should be ignored,…”

    He should not be ignored, he should face trial and get the death sentence. He has futur bloods on his hands.

  19. tgusa says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:31 am

    Muslim leaders have declared war on non muslim civilization. The muslim drones will follow their leaders unto death. I say, what goes around comes around. In my job I have an opportunity to speak with Americans (and foreigners) of all sorts of backgrounds and ninety percent of those I talk with have had enough of muslims and their horrific ideology. Many of them wont talk about that openly. I am an IT tech, and everyone tells their tech exactly what is on their mind. Yes, we are the new psychologists and counselors in the modern age. Plus, unlike people think, most of us are not prog fools. So called progressives in the west have much more to lose that the average civilized western citizen.

    • duh_swami says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 6:02 am

      What’s an IT tech?

      • gravenimage says

        Jan 18, 2015 at 1:36 pm

        Someone who troubleshoots computers and computer software, Swami.

  20. shabeerhassan0 says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 3:49 am

    DEAR ADMIN(JIHAD WATCH)

    PLZ DON’T DELETE MY POST,PLZ ALLOW PPL TO READ IT ,AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO CRITICIZE ISLAM,DELETING POST INDICATE THE COWARDNESS,LACK OF CONFIDENCE,HIDING THE TRUTH ,IS IT?

    IF U R CONFIDENCE ABOUT WHAR U R SAYING ,THEN WHAT THE RECUIREMENT OF DELETING MY POST? PLZ TRY TO CRITICIZE MY POINTS ,AND DEFETE ISLAM IF U CAN …

    ACTUALLY U R DOING TO DENNY THE FREEDOM OF SPEEACH FROM THE MUSLIM,THAT MEAN U HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS TO CRITICIZE MUSLIM ABOUT ” FREEDOM OF SPEACH “.

    I THINK I AM THE ONLY MEMBER FROM THE OPPENTS SIDE(MUSLIM) , FOR BETTER /LEGAL/MORAL DEBATE OPPENTS COMMENTS /VOICE/OPENION REQUIRED………..

    ONCE AGIN PLZ DON’T DELETE MY POST ,& ENCOURAGE TRY TO CRITICIZE MY POINT ,AND DEFETE ISLAM………….

    • duh_swami says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 5:58 am

      PLZ DON’T DELETE MY POST,PLZ ALLOW PPL TO READ IT

      Hey Shabeer Ming the Merciless says hi…Shabeer, what makes you think the readers here want to read your long hysterical copy pastes?

    • The renegade says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 10:05 am

      You can get lost in all the quranic mumbo jumbo that you keep spewing out.

      The war like Geerth Wilders said is not a clash of civilisations but between civility and barbarity.

      Islamiyat or musalmaniyat lacks humanity or insaniyat. Actions speaks louder that words my friend Quran is full of contradictions, peaceful verses are abrogated by violent verses.

      Humanity will win this war against Islam and it’s barbarian founder demon Muhammad who actions and deeds resonate amongst the terrorists even 1400 years after his death.

      We love life more than the jihadists love death which is why we will win this war. Islam’s blood stained past and cover ups are going to get exposed and the flood gates of truth will be released to drown all you Islamic barbarians.

      Quit Islam and reclaim your humanity that is your birth right.

    • gravenimage says

      Jan 17, 2015 at 4:12 pm

      shabeer hassan, in screaming ALL CAPS:

      DEAR ADMIN(JIHAD WATCH)

      PLZ DON’T DELETE MY POST,PLZ ALLOW PPL TO READ IT ,AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO CRITICIZE ISLAM…
      ……………………………..

      Most posts from Muslim apologists—save for threats, which are very common—are allowed to stand here, because they are usually very instructive.

      Certainly, this is true of the comments of the appalling shabeer hassan, who has in the past condoned violent Jihad, the rape of small children, and sexual slavery. Ugly stuff, but a very telling glimpse into the mind of a pious Muslim.

      The odd thing is that he believes any of this constitutes a “defense” of Islam. It only exposes its ugliness.

      More:

      IF U R CONFIDENCE ABOUT WHAR U R SAYING ,THEN WHAT THE RECUIREMENT OF DELETING MY POST? PLZ TRY TO CRITICIZE MY POINTS ,AND DEFETE ISLAM IF U CAN …
      ……………………………..

      It’s not difficult—especially given the usual Muslim inability to debate rationally.

      More:

      ACTUALLY U R DOING TO DENNY THE FREEDOM OF SPEEACH FROM THE MUSLIM,THAT MEAN U HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS TO CRITICIZE MUSLIM ABOUT ” FREEDOM OF SPEACH “.
      ……………………………..

      This shows that shabeer hassan—like most Muslims—understands *nothing* about freedom of speech. Jihad Watch is Robert Spencer’s own site. He graciously allows an open comments section, but he has the right to decide who comments here.

      This is, indeed, Robert Spencer’s virtual living room—shabeer hassan would have us believe that if any private person decides not to have someone ranting in his living room, that he himself has no right to freedom of speech.

      By this “reasoning”, Jihad Watch would be restricting freedom of speech if it resisted being turned into a mouthpiece for Boko Haram or the Islamic State. Clearly, this is absurd.

      If shabeer hassan *were* censored here or even banned, it would in no way prevent him from airing his foul views elsewhere. Neither Jihad Watch nor anyone else is obliged to provide him with a forum.

      More:

      I THINK I AM THE ONLY MEMBER FROM THE OPPENTS SIDE(MUSLIM) , FOR BETTER /LEGAL/MORAL DEBATE OPPENTS COMMENTS /VOICE/OPENION REQUIRED………..
      ……………………………..

      Well, the above is even less coherent than usual. If shabeer hassan is claiming that he is the only Muslim apologist to spew Taqiyya here on Jihad Watch, he is very much mistaken. There have been any number of such Muslim trolls here over the years.

      If he is simply claiming that he is the best Muslim debater, then I believe this is quite indicative of the caliber of Muslim debate…

  21. tgusa says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 4:26 am

    We are not perfect but we are much better than they are.

  22. duh_swami says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:18 am

    Islam is sharia and sharia is Islam. They are married and cannot be divorced.

  23. Oliver says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 6:27 am

    The site islamqa says the same about insulting the prophet. Is that “fringe”? Alexa says it’s the world’s most visited site about Islam apart from an Islamic bank and a site about finding prayer times.

  24. James Willis says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    This is exactly the opposite [ or ‘anti’ ] of what Jesus Christ said in that He said even those who blasphemed His name could also be forgiven. Such is the grace of God. But, the rage of Islam is such that it’s followers will murder those who mock them because the opposite of grace of mercilessness.

  25. Victor balest says

    Jan 17, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    When are westerners going to understand that our shock at this clerics’s position is totally consistent with his theology, his culture and his world view? We post this news item as though his position is outrageous. It is outrageous in ours eyes only.

    • Old African Lady with no teeth says

      Jan 18, 2015 at 8:38 am

      Well, at least he is not political correct he is being honest about his religious rules, jihad is his duty or their duty but some people in the west failed to understand this specially the church leaders and politicians, they don’t want to read their religious books I don’t know why? now the Islamists are increasing in many advance cities in Europe and they are happy to fellow the Muslim Arabic Heritage and Sharia Law.

  26. Kenny says

    Jan 18, 2015 at 10:36 am

    The believe of every muslim jihadist is that he’s going to his/her paradise and get the rewards for killing for allah as clearly stipulated in the Qur’an. What a grave deceit! Such a person needs to understand that God, the creator of the heavens and the earth, is too holy to allow such satanic beings enter His presence, Heb 12v14! And afterwards they’ll claim that both Christians and muslims are serving one and the same God. We are wiser now!

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