The exchange below is yet another example of how one side of the debate about Sharia and jihad is trying to have a rational discussion, while the other responds only with slogans and smears. A woman in California responded to my call yesterday to write to NP3 High School principal Tom Rutten. She then received the email below, which is drearily predictable with its cries of “hate” and lack of specific response to any of the concerns she raised. She kindly forwarded this response to me, and I wrote the third email below to Rutten.
I don’t expect a response, or at least one that deals with the points I raised, so I thought I’d post all three emails here so that you can see which side here is being reasonable, and what happens when those whose political views are not favored ask reasonable questions.
Meanwhile, Hamas-linked CAIR is crowing over this ridiculous piece on the controversy, and well they should crow, as only their point of view is represented. Fox 40 made no attempt to contact me, of course, or to speak with anyone who wrote letters to the school expressing concern over Hijab Day. The whole thing is dismissed, as always in the mainstream media, as “bigotry” — on that, see my email to Rutten below. The Fox 40 story is also riddled with errors. I did not name the student responsible for Hijab Day in my post, as you can see here. The principal’s name is Rutten, not Sutten.
And of course Fox 40 makes no mention of CAIR’s ties to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, the jihad terror convictions of several of its former officials, the fact that the United Arab Emirates designated it a terror organization, etc. But it does go out of its way to say I (without naming me) am “anti-Muslim,” without bothering to note the issues regarding the oppression of women and religion-and-state involved here. Typical sloppy and one-sided mainstream media story. In posting it, Hamas-linked CAIR has disabled comments, as they always do. That in itself is telling.
1. Concerned citizen to Tom Rutten:
I am a taxpayer, Girl Scout leader, and public education advocate in Southern California, and I am writing to express my shock, dismay, and disappointment at learning that a school in your district, the Natomas Unified School District, held a Hijab Day today, encouraging all girls and women to wear hijabs. This is outrageous.
It’s outrageous primarily because it brought religion into a public school in a way that directly conflicts with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which prohibits school-sponsored prayer and religious indoctrination. Encouraging girls and women to wear hijabs for “modesty” is clearly an example of religious indoctrination. Can you imagine the public outrage if a Jewish student requested “Yarmulke Day” and all men and boys at the school were urged to wear a head covering of the type that Jewish men and boys wear? It’s unimaginable. For your future use, here’s a guideline on Religion in Schools produced by the ACLU: www.aclu-tn.org/pdfs/briefer_religion_in_public_schools.pdf.
Additionally, it’s astounding because, per the flyer, “Hijab Day” was organized by, or encouraged by the Muslim Students Association, which is considered by many national security experts to be tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. In other words, tied to terrorism. I could provide you a dozen links to articles about this, but perhaps you’d like to do your own google search. It’s out there.
I know that you are a busy man, Mr. Rutten, but I really would like to understand why the NP3 thought this was acceptable. If you’d please reply to me, I’d appreciate that.
2. Tom Rutten to the concerned citizen:
Since this was a student run event I have attached the student response below.
Tom Rutten
At a time when anti-Muslim sentiment is growing, I wanted to let my classmates and teachers know about the challenges that young Muslim women face when they put on a headscarf. It is unfortunate that a small effort to promote mutual understanding would provoke such a hate-filled and irrational response.
NP3 Hijab Day was part of my Senior Project, meant to bring awareness to my campus about the misconceptions surrounding Islam, particularly those surrounding the headscarf. I invited a speaker to talk to faculty about addressing Islamophobia in the classroom and the challenges in the Muslim world, and they appreciated the open and frank discussion.
The irrational reaction by some intolerant individuals is similar to the many manufactured controversies nationwide over the teaching of basic information about Islam, the faith of one-fifth of the world’s population, in public schools. In many other cases, any discussion of Islam or American Muslims brings about this reaction.
The person who promoted the misinformation about this issue, Robert Spencer, is one of the most notorious Islamophobes in America.
This extreme reaction clearly demonstrates why this presentation was needed in the first place.
South Poverty Law Center’s profile on Robert Spencer:
http://www.splcenter.org/get%20informed/intelligence%20files/profiles/Robert%20Spencer
3. Robert Spencer to Tom Rutten:
Dear Mr. Rutten:
Thank you for your kind response to Ms. [redacted], which she forwarded to me.
The message from your student was most interesting. I trust that you have explained to her that to respond to the concerns voiced by Ms. [redacted] and others by linking to a smear piece on me is an example of the ad hominem fallacy: attacking the person voicing the concerns rather than the concerns themselves. The Southern (not “South”) Poverty Law Center attack piece is also highly inaccurate and misleading. The FBI, in fact, even stopped using the SPLC’s work on “hate groups” last year, in light of the fact that the SPLC had stopped tracking real hate groups and was using the label to smear those who disagreed with its political views: http://washingtonexaminer.com/shocker-fbi-dumps-southern-poverty-law-center-as-hate-crime-watchdog-partner/article/2546305
I am not going to try your patience by showing the falsehood of all of SPLC’s smear claims; suffice it for the moment to point out that I have led seminars on Islam and jihad for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, the U.S. Army’s Asymmetric Warfare Group, the FBI, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and the U.S. intelligence community.
I trust that you also have explained or will explain to your student that to dismiss all concern about NP3 Hijab Day as “hate-filled,” “irrational,” and “Islamophobic” doesn’t contribute in the least to “open and frank discussion,” but actually forecloses on the possibility of such a discussion by trying to intimidate people into thinking that concerns they thought were legitimate are actually manifestations of a “bigotry” they were not aware they had. This is just the opposite of “open and frank discussion,” and I am sure you would agree that this kind of name-calling, intimidation, and groupthink should not be encouraged in academic settings at any level.
For your convenience, here are the major concerns that people have about the NP3 Hijab Day event:
1. FBI statistics show that hate crimes against Muslims, which are never justified, are actually quite uncommon, with hate crimes against Jews being over four times more common. Details here: http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2014/12/new-fbi-hate-crime-stats-another-blow-to-islamist
Yet I would venture to guess that there has been no event at NP3 High to call attention to the challenges that Jews face, and that none is in the works. I understand that NP3 Hijab Day was a student-run event. Would a Jewish or pro-Israel student be allowed to stage a similar Day calling attention to anti-Semitism? If this included the rise in Islamic anti-Semitism in Europe and elsewhere, would this be allowed? Would you allow a Yarmulke Day at NP3 High?
2. CAIR and the MSA appear to have been involved in this event. Both were named unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land trial, which involved funneling money to the terror group Hamas. Both have demonstrable ties, documented and noted by the FBI, with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. See, for example, these links:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2340/federal-judge-agrees-cair-tied-to-hamas
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2011/March/Muslim-Student-Group-a-Gateway-to-Jihad/
Is it really wise to allow people from organizations that have ties to terror groups to interact with NP3 students?
3. As I am sure you’re aware, even student-run events by Christian students have come under fire in public schools in recent years, and many see them as a violation of the Establishment Clause. Would you allow a Wear the Cross Day? I have never heard of such an event in any public school except in conjunction with protests against it on Constitutional grounds. Do you not think this is a double standard — and one perpetuated by Hijab Day at NP3 High?
4. Many women and girls around the world have been brutalized and even killed for not wearing a hijab. A list of some of them, with further links to the relevant news stories, is at this link: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/today-is-world-hijab-day
Are you not concerned that NP3’s Hijab Day might end up justifying and helping perpetuate the pretexts for this oppression? What steps did you take to ensure that that did not happen? If a student wanted to hold a Day calling attention to the oppression of women that is all too often justified by Islamic law, would that be allowed at NP3?
I hope these questions make it clear that there are legitimate concerns regarding NP3’s Hijab Day, and to dismiss them as “hate-filled” is simply an attempt to shut down the public discussion that is needed on these issues. I look forward to receiving your answers to these questions. Also, I would be happy to come to NP3 High School at my own expense, in order to engage in an open forum with students on these and related issues, and to ensure that the “open and frank discussion” on these issues at NP3 High is not dominated solely by one perspective only. We can settle on a mutually agreeable date for this open forum at your convenience — I can be reached at this email address and at [redacted].
Cordially
Robert Spencer
jihad3tracker says
Well, what else can we realistically expect ???
Especially when CAIR and who-knows-how-many OTHER Islamic supremacist entities AND individuals are privately in contact with this guy . . .
The ratio of Robert’s & Pam’s communications with these willingly self-deceived people VERSUS the fascist crowd could easily be 1 to 100.
cs says
Well done Robert.
Ursula says
I love your response! Of course, you won’t be invited to discuss these issues, as they’ve made up their minds already. But I like that you offered to go, that way nobody can accuse you of not being open to discussing your points.
Jeff says
Nice response. It’s right not to allow the Neville Chamberlain mistake play out again. Keep up the good work.
nationalist says
i am not diabolic enough to understand. But this is a set up by two groups who are in false opposition to each other but work in tandem against a third ( unnamed) party.
nationalist says
agents of chaos and it is constant these days. CONSTANT. and nobody to protect the nice people.
I also see it with “fa” and “anti -fa” and others too.
too sad. no good guys. at least not in the open.
inspector clouseau
Joe Shmo says
Great letter Robert, keep it up, you can’t let these jobsworths or idealogues win (I don’t know which type this principal is, probably the former. In any case he’s a weasel, although I’m prepared to be corrected and you might be invited to visit!).
It’s worrying how the infiltration of schools is continuing, it’s so important that we hold the line here. Islam has no place in a free society!
jihad3tracker says
Hello Joe —
I have been visiting Jihadwatch for about three years . . . So, a bit of history :
Our courageous tireless 24/7 beloved counter-jihadist blog master does indeed and often send long, generously extended, meticulously “linked- and-cited” responses to deeply clueless and/or Sharia-sympathetic instigators.
WHY ? BECAUSE THAT’S HOW MUCH HE CARES ABOUT THE WESTERN LIBERTY WE ALL TAKE FOR GRANTED WAAAAAYYY TOO OFTEN.
ISLAMO-FASCISTS ARE NOT GOING TO PREVAIL AS LONG AS HE AND PAMELA GELLER ARE ACTIVE.
They are stars in the worst nightmares of Allah’s Domestic Army . . .
cs says
Now that I follow him at the blog, and have seen countless videos, I can say that I never seen some one so dedicated to a cause, and committing no flaws, no mistakes, he always delivers it, with patience and competence, man, I am impressed, really, it is no BS, he is everywhere lol.
cs says
Have you seen this one guys?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1tL288ToTU
He kicks ass for ages with this guys, they are all lefies retards like I used to be, and he like a master replies perfectly every single time, he win them over like a boss.
Highly recommend it.
mariam rove says
Stealth Jihad at its best and at work. Inch by inch. m
somehistory says
The no-response response from Mr. Rutten was predictable…leave it up to the *student* who wished for all other females at the school to feel *her pain.* (my word for her *challenges*) Get the first foot in the door and the door is then held open for other sharia compliant things to happen. No skirts above the ankles, no makeup, halal food….an endless list all led by *students* who are coached by cair to fling out the buzz words of bigotry and islam ophobia and hatred for muslims. And of course, bring in just how many people…a fifth of the world’s population…as an argument as to why *encouraging* all the females to wear a scarf on a particular day is necessary to understanding her *challenges.*
The saying, “there is strength in numbers,’ comes to mind. Give the infidels the idea they are outnumbered, so give in and wear what we tell you to.
And of course, the deflection of just *why* there may be a growing concern over the activity of muslims in this country without saying *why* there is growing concern….the killings in many parts of the world…including in the U.S….by muslims because of their islam teachings of superiority. Leaving it to the uninformed to guess just why there may be growing feelings of concern and bringing it down to women and girls must wear this ugly rag on the head in order for muslims to feel *safe.* Never mind that the activities of the muslims throughout the world are directly responsible for any concerns.
And it could be pointed out that students in several school districts in the country have been prevented from just saying Jesus or God while giving speeches, etc. even when the student was not requiring or even encouraging every other student of that student’s gender to also say those words.
There was good response from Mr. Spencer, as is the usual, but it will not be reciprocated by Mr. Rutten.
Don McKellar says
Tom Rutten is obviously completely ignorant about Islam, and has taken the default position which those who are in his position take because it is the easy way, rather than the honest, informed way. It is far easier than actually educating yourself about issues, to instead name call, point fingers, and stick your fingers in your ears, and project fantasy nice thoughts on a group you view as a “minority”. That is the default position on Islam: complete ignorance and defence of, without knowing what you’re actually defending. Which is why we are on such a fast acceleration curve of Islamic terror in the world and errosion of civil rights and especially free speech.
Rob says
Given that Pres. al SiSi of Egypt is making the point to his Imams that 2/3rds of the world dread Islam and its codes, how can Rutten single out one high school student’s feeling about her head covering, as worthy of a special day?
What about a general open day for all students to voice what concerns them by way of predjudice.
Some kids might wear their hair orange that day or sport a ‘Hello Kitty’ schoolbag (not sure which is worse 🙂 but THAT would be worthwhile to a cohort of youngsters still working out their values and attitudes.
deja vu says
An excellent plan – which is why it will never be adopted.
I believe the problem stems from the Marxist/Leftist ideology in most Western universities and teachers’ training colleges. The graduates carry with them the pre-suppositions inculcated in their worldview – political correctness and relative truth – which eventually leads to an indolent tolerance of the intolerable. Someone once quipped, ‘Toleration has become so tolerant, that evil is included in that tolerance. We are in danger of becoming ‘moral cowards’ in our plump comfortableness.’
In our time of mounting concern about Islamic infiltration, misguided efforts to appear progressive and accepted by your peers amounts to what Churchill termed appeasing the crocodile hoping it will eat you last. In doing so they are dragging their students down with them and endangering the very foundations of democratic societies, which allow them the privilege of being able to think independently rather than collectively. The aim of western education is surely to broaden the minds of students to prepare them for a life of enquiry and growth. That these closed-minded drones are in charge of our schools and education departments is tantamount to the betrayal of our nations.
Rob says
These are excerpts from a news item on an ‘oh so twee’ school in my home town.
Rutten has heaps of friends
:
“Christmas and Easter celebrations are out, while Chinese New Year and Diwali are in for a Wellington school meeting the challenges of cultural diversity”
.
“Events such as Chinese New Year had superseded more traditional New Zealand celebrations because they were more relevant to the school’s roll, she said”.
“You wouldn’t walk into a classroom at the end of the year and see a whole heap of Christmas activities going on”
.
“Teachers were on first-name terms at Te Aro (school) and, for some Chinese parents, who were more used to formal and structured classes, it took a lot of explaining, Ms Clement said’.
The last para is especially good. Apparently Ms Clement is selective about what immigrant cultures she wants to respect. The Chinese norm of more respect for teachers can be ignored and I’m sure the reasons will be c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y e-x-p-l-a-i-n-e-d.
This approach may be great to get a free pass from similarly-minded school inspectors, but as for readying the students for life in their adopted country – no so much.
nationalist says
On my street.
Southern California
Every year i would sit with my candy waiting for the kids.Then after a while,demographics changed, I would cry from a loss- like I had lost my Father or Mother but didn’t know why i felt so sad. I was disoriented and confused as to what had happened. Then i realized we had lost something that we couldn’t get back. Something valuable.
We haven’t had a Halloween where i live for over a decade because the East Asians who became majority in less than 25 years don’t have that in their culture. They see it as a form of begging. Not much Christmas or New Years either. Just one straggler here and there. They, for a while, had Chinese New Year- Tet- but after a while they don’t do that either. So now, on our street, no one does anything.
Multi- Culti- turned into No Culti at all.
No one bothers to put their signs in English much anymore where i live. Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese. And they don’t interact with each other that much ether. Big Korean Investors Deal took over. I like the my neighbors but the loss i feel is profound and irreversible. I am an unwanted foreigner in what used to be my country. Or i wrongly thought it was. I am not alone. Last elections only 15 percent of the voters turned out. Nobody felt anyone would represent them. And we are not a dead beat county. We are known for our civic responsibility..
Also, a single independent American family finds themselves competing to buy a house or farm or rent an apartment or office- or afford a college for their kids with State Wealth funds holders backed by the Chinese Government or an investment consortium representing a government from the Middle East interested in real estate or something like that.
My leaders gave away my nation. But it’s not too late for everyone else. Your country is precious. Your country is your people, your ethnicity, your culture and values and traditions. Religion and laws. and your spot on the globe. Your Vine and your fig Tree.
pumbar says
Excellent post Nationalist.
SteveInSC says
I would like to point out an error in the email the woman sent to the school official. She said, “It’s outrageous primarily because it brought religion into a public school in a way that directly conflicts with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, which prohibits school-sponsored prayer and religious indoctrination.” The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment does not “prohibit school-sponsored prayer and religious indoctrination.” It prohibits the Congress from making a law “regarding the establishment of religion.” This means that it cannot pass a law creating the equivalent on the Church of England in the US, i.e., a situation in which the government is paying the clergy and maintainng all the buildings of a particular denomination with taxpayer money. In fact, the “Free exercise” clause of the amendment would actually mean that a student could pray in school if they wanted, despite conventional “wisdom” as spouted by the Left in this country. Some people need to actually read the Constitution rather than just spouting talking points they’ve heard from someone. And yes, I know the Supreme Court ruled that prayer was not allowed in schools. Perhaps our esteemed justices should try reading the Constitution before ruling on something as well. It isn’t written in Greek. It doesn’t require the Court to “interpret” it. They are supposed to determine if laws passed by Congress and signed by the president are constitutional. They do a poor job of that aand stick their collective noses into things that are not their job.
nationalist says
thank you so much. deeply grateful.
somehistory says
All too true.
Brian Hoff says
The court use the body of the constution which have to deal with the seperation of religion and state in sociely in general… When I was 5 year old the school make me take part in prayer even I didnot want to that was why the Hight Court ended manority school prayer.
Champ says
…wow what school failed to teach you *good* grammar?
Jacksonl03 says
Wow indeed! What a sorry-assed dig against someone making a rational comment on the subject. Are you having trouble understanding?
Ain’t ya got nottin’ better to say than that dig?
Champ says
Nope.
Mirren10 says
” …wow what school failed to teach you *good* grammar?”
I’ve sometimes wondered where on earth old ‘defenderofislam’ was educated ! But I don’t really think the school was to blame – he’s just thick as a plank. (Anyone who would voluntarily convert to the most foul cult on earth is clearly not a full shilling).
Also, Champ, did you notice his garbled drivel seems to imply that *he* was the sole reason the ‘Hight’ court made school prayer illegal ?
” When I was 5 year old the school make me take part in prayer even I didnot want to that was why the Hight Court ended manority school prayer.”
Gosh, I never knew old ‘defender’ was such a celebrity ! 🙂
Blitz2b says
Champ,
Defender of Islam aka Hoff is obviously a taquiyya tactician. He was probably schooled in some madrassa in some sh!thole Islamic country, rather than the ” oppressive school” he is falsely referring to. His grammer proves it.
Jackson 103, don’t feel sorry for this faker… Lying is an integral part of his religion to further it’s cause while they are in the minority.
Western Canadian says
There is no reference in the US constitution to separation of church and state….. brain off strikes and strikes out again.
John Smith says
SPLC is a communist organisation, dedicated to destroying the western way of life.
Spot On says
“I have led seminars on Islam and jihad for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, the U.S. Army’s Asymmetric Warfare Group,”
How did your mushy training of our military work out for us? We neither won nor subdued the enemy to our way of thinking. All of our strategies were wrong. All that our leaders did was get a lot of our good talented brave soldiers murdered. The job of a military is to break things and kill people and stay alive while doing it. Asymmetric warfare requires larger bombs on cities or towns until their supply lines are gone. If this cannot be done for political reasons, stay home. Anything less will not work.
This NP3 teacher is either a pervert or a disgrace. He is leading these high school girls into sexual slavery and he knows it.
vox populi says
Very good, and solid response.
someone says
Mr. Spencer,
You’re throwing pearls before pigs.
This Rutten idiot has no interest in information and facts. He is clearly an avowed “progressive,” and to that ilk nothing matters outside their fantasies and agendas.
Toby says
If the school and the organiser are really interested in fostering understanding then how about a Swap Day when everyone wears the clothing/symbol of a belief other than their own? I’m sure the Muslim students would gladly put on a cross or wear a Yarmulke. More likely they would be on the phone to CAIR screaming Islamophobia. There’s no standard like a double standard to these fascists.
cs says
That’s correct.
Champ says
Kudos to the concerned citizen who initially wrote Tom Rutten! Great email!! ..and your comment most certainly was NOT “hate-filled and irrational”. Quite the contrary, it was truthful and *very* rational. And Robert Spencer’s response to the false charges raised by Tom Rutten were accurate, as well.
As for Tom Rutten, he has immersed himself in the pile of poo-poo put forth by the pc/mc/left-leaning crowd designed to hide and blur the ugly truth about islam & company. And he’s fallen for the false notion that Truth is the new hate speech. I would add that he’s LAZY for not doing his own research by simply picking up a quran and reading it!! …that would be a great place to start. No, instead he relies on the pile of nonsense readily available by other enablers of evil.
Face it Tom: you are also an enabler of evil. And my assessment of you is not hate speech, but the hard Truth; and enablers are also in great denial, so this applies to you, as well.
STOP being lazy and read the quran and the hadiths, too.
simpleton says
Good advice, as every one should read it, and to save time find out the chronological order, the Mecca verses then the Medina verses with knowledge of “abrogation” will sort of make the koran a little easier to read.and understand.
Also read the hadiths from Bukhari that supports the life of Mohammad.
Jon says
“NP3 Hijab Day was part of my Senior Project, meant to bring awareness to my campus about the misconceptions surrounding Islam, particularly those surrounding the headscarf.”
Bring awareness to the headscarf?? Uuuh, we can all see you wearing the headscarf lady, we’re aware.
Angemon says
I have the feeling that the “student” response came straight from CAIR…
Jon says
LOL. No kidding, wow.
deja vu says
What a hijab is really for. Say ‘no’ to world hijab day.
http://concit.org/say-no-to-world-hijab-day/
Paul Hoffman says
Nice work, Robert.
I’m sure that Tom Rutten will get back to you on this any day now…
Tyler says
Allow me to please clear some things up. As a former NP3 student, I’ve been a part of hijab day before. Mr Rutten in no way endorsed this event. It is completely student organized, which is why he differed to the student when replying to the email. He knows it is a sensitive church/state issue and is trying to respond delicately. Hijab day is meant to clear up misconceptions about the hijab; many of which seem prevalent among these comments. A hijab is worn for many reasons.
1) it provides a cultural identity for many Muslim women.
2) it is commanded by God in the Quran.
3) it is a way of connecting to cultural roots.
It is not a symbol of oppression in any way to American-muslim women. Many Jewish women also wear a head scarf of similar fashion as instructed by the Torah.
The school has allowed other religious events such as weekly open prayer at the front of the school. Was there no uprising about this because they are christian?
Again, this event is not a result of Rutten singling out a student’s challenges and forcing them on everyone else, it is a students senior project used to raise awareness for a cause that is no way “terrorist affiliated”. Hijab day was completely voluntary, and students who participated did not do so because they were pressured into it. So please, take all of this into account before jumping to any conclusions. Thank you.
Jon says
If I could expand on the 2nd item in your list.. Sporting the hijab is commanded in the Quran and Hadith at pain of rape or death.. So if a woman is not wearing it she is fair game. How promoting such a tradition could make any sense at all would be news to me.
There, I think I may have just “cleared up any misconceptions” that any NP3 students might have about the hijab.
You’re welcome kids!
Jon says
P.S. Allah is not God(obviously)
Tyler says
Let’s not get into the whole Allah/God thing. You know what I mean.
There is no Quran verse stating that not wearing a hijab will result in punishment of death. No heaven perhaps, but no punishment at the hands of men (people). The hijab is worn to cover women up because of man’s nature of perversion. If there is punishment and murder going on in other countries regarding the hijab, that is an adopted practice in those countries. But this is America, not those other countries.
Jon says
LOL!! Oh I wasn’t aware we had an Islamic scholar(oxymoron) on our hands… FACT: If youre defending Islam in any way you’re either ignorant of its depravity of complicit in it’s crimes. So which are you
The Quran and Hadith do both emphatically state that if you are a woman who is not being covered that you are a KAFFIR. The Quran and Hadith go on to state that Kaffir’s are fair game for murder, rape, etc..
Someone in one of the above posts mentioned how he thought that the “students response” was actually coming directly from CAIR. I wouldn’t be surprised if this cookie-cutter response to my post didn’t originate from the same source.
Jon says
“Let’s not get into the whole Allah/God thing. You know what I mean.”
No, seriously. I would love to have you explain to me how Allah is actually God. I’m all ears.
Jon says
“But this is America, not those other countries.”
It doesn’t matter what incarnations Islam takes in America because Islam accounts for under 1% of the US’ population. What matters is the true and most prevalent incarnation(s) of Islam(hint: not the politically correct imaginations of Islam). You know, the Islam that is practiced by 1billion individuals?
This is the concern. Nobody is concerned about the left-wing media’s imaginary presentation of Islam. This presentation has zero basis in reality.
^ That’s why we’re all so fed up and pissed off.
Tyler says
I’m not saying I am any sort of scholar on the Quran, but I am saying you have made a lot of extreme statements without any evidence. It sounds like neither of us are experts on the Quran and Islam.
How does defending one student’s religion in any way make me affiliated with terrorism. That’s a major jump there. There are some radical Muslims who perform terrorist acts in the name of Allah, but they are not the whole of Islam. There will be radicals in every religion, every group. Such as Christians who bomb abortion clinics, or radical atheists who suicide bomb. The point is, these individuals do not represent the entire group.
I’m not a terrorist, nor am I affiliated with CAIR. I’m just a student who is upset about the backlash such an innocent event has created. I know that the response was not from CAIR, because I’m friends with the student who wrote it.
Furthermore, this event was not a way to intimidate students into wearing them, it was to explain why Muslim women wear them. Please understand this isn’t about punishment on the other side of the world, it’s about cultural identity on this side.
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“I’m not saying I am any sort of scholar on the Quran, but I am saying you have made a lot of extreme statements without any evidence. It sounds like neither of us are experts on the Quran and Islam.”
Have you read the quran, the sire and/or the ahadith? Do you know that most of islam isn’t based on what the quran says but on what muhammad did and said (sira and ahadith)?
“There are some radical Muslims who perform terrorist acts in the name of Allah, but they are not the whole of Islam.”
Wrong. A more accurate depiction would be “there are muslims who perform terrorist acts and quote from the quran and ahadith to justify their actions and the so-called ‘moderate’ muslims are unable to point to their religious texts and say that the terrorists are wrong”.
“There will be radicals in every religion, every group. Such as Christians who bomb abortion clinics, or radical atheists who suicide bomb.”
The difference is that Christians who bomb abortion clinics (how many of them versus how many islamic terrorists) do so despite going against the tenets of their religion. As for the “radical atheists who suicide bomb”, are you sure you’re not getting your news from a satirical site? Also, atheism is not a religion. Saying things like that makes people not take you seriously.
“The point is, these individuals do not represent the entire group.”
Do you know how islam and Christianity spread through the middle east, north africa and europe? One thrived on a hostile environment despite the death penalty for following it, the other spread by the sword. Guess which is which.
“I’m not a terrorist, nor am I affiliated with CAIR. I’m just a student who is upset about the backlash such an innocent event has created. I know that the response was not from CAIR, because I’m friends with the student who wrote it.”
And I’m the king of Denmark.
Jon says
Ugh… I hope to God youre not associated with Cair kiddo…
Listen, a bombing of an abortion clinic happens never whereas the frequency of nonsense perpetrated in the name of Islam is legion… It is obvious that you are a NP3 graduate because(no offence) you are completely indoctrinated into moral relativism.. Don’t take me for my word at anything but I wish you the best in your pursuits… and, I am an Islamic scholar. What I said is written clearly across all of the Quran and Hadiths for all to see if only people would read it.
Whatever White Knight quest you think it is that youre on right now on behalf of Islam is in vain, history has already judged Islam.
Tyler says
I wouldn’t call my upbringing “indoctrination”. I would say I was raised in a diverse community with a lot of different ideas present. I understand you are more factually experienced on this topic, but I still have yet to see any evidence of your claims.
I don’t believe I’m on any “white knight quest”, nor do I think I’m better than you. I am simply stating my opinion. If I have offended you, I’m sorry, that wasn’t my intention. There are just many misconceptions pertaining to this topic as a whole that I wanted to clear up.
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“There are just many misconceptions pertaining to this topic as a whole that I wanted to clear up.”
Not misconceptions about islam, I hope. Because you said:
“It sounds like neither of us are experts on the Quran and Islam.”
Now, have you read the quran, sira and/or ahadith?
TheBuffster says
Hi, Tyler.
You seem like a good guy with benevolent intentions. I think it’s good that you’ve come here to discuss this subject, and I hope you’ll take your time to sift through people’s arguments and their sometimes harsh reactions, to try to get an ever clearer grasp of what the people at JihadWatch are on about. At first it must look to you like we all hate Muslims. We don’t. Eh, a few of us might. I don’t. But I do hate what I know of the rotten parts of the Koran and Mohammad’s “perfect” example.
Muslims are people. They can close their eyes to things in their religion they don’t like. They can be what the Koran would call “hypocrites”. They can stick only to the kinder verses of the early Koran and pretend that the later Koran (the Koran is not written in chronological order, by the way) doesn’t exist. They can ignore all the calls to subjugate the unbelievers through war and terror. But it’s there, and those who want to do what Allah commanded and Mohammad did have a very nasty blueprint to go by.
You said: “I’m not saying I am any sort of scholar on the Quran, but I am saying you have made a lot of extreme statements without any evidence. It sounds like neither of us are experts on the Quran and Islam.”
I highly recommend that you do read the Koran and the hadith, the Bukhari hadith collection is one that is considered among the most reliable among Muslim scholars. When it comes to the worst in the sacred works of Islam, you have to be pretty extreme to make an extreme statement that doesn’t fit.
I think most of the regulars on this website have read the Koran and at least some of the Hadith, and have done extensive reading on the subject of Islam. I’ve been reading up on it since the Iranian Revolution. I know a number of “secular” Muslims and ex-Muslims personally, and have had three Turkish “secular Muslims” living with me and my husband in the past. I talk to people who’ve lived and still live (facebook friend) in Muslim countries – all of them born and raised there. It’s not like I’m making assumptions based on a few articles and clips I’ve seen on the Internet and the fact that so much terrorism is done by Muslims. I’ve spent …. oh, my Gawd! I’ve spent over 30 years !!! Holy Moses… over 30 years reading, talking, questioning, writing, in order to get an ever clearer understanding of the whole truth and nothing but the truth of this complicated subject.
Why? Because I care about my rights, my freedom of religion, my freedom of speech, my life, liberty and pursuit of my values, and when I see what looks like a totalitarian ideology taking hold in the world, I want to know whether it’s a real threat and what it’s all about.
My evaluation after all of that is: it’s a threat.
You said: “How does defending one student’s religion in any way make me affiliated with terrorism. That’s a major jump there. There are some radical Muslims who perform terrorist acts in the name of Allah, but they are not the whole of Islam. There will be radicals in every religion, every group. Such as Christians who bomb abortion clinics, or radical atheists who suicide bomb. The point is, these individuals do not represent the entire group.”
It’s true that jihadists do not represent every single person who calls him or herself “Muslim”. See my earlier comments about Muslims. But they *do* represent *Islam*, the doctrine as found in the Koran and the example of Mohammad’s life.
Christ didn’t tell Christians to do any kind of violence in his name or God’s. Mohammad did. That’s why you see so few Christians blowing up abortion clinics, and so many Muslims going for jihad. You don’t have to twist Mohammad’s words and actions in order to become a jihadist. Mohammad *was* a jihadist.
Atheists don’t have a creed that tells them to kill anybody. Atheists don’t have an atheist creed, period. They’re just people who don’t believe in a god or gods. A “radical atheist” who bombs is either a nihilist or has a particular philosophy or radical political view. Saying someone is a “radical atheist” makes as much sense as calling someone a “radical theist”. “Theist” and “atheist” are general terms whose only content is “doesn’t believe in a god or gods” or “believes in a god or gods”.
Islam has a creed. It has commands from Allah and a duty to perform them. Some of them, like charity to the needy, seem like a decent thing to do. Others, like waging jihad on unbelievers to spread Islam’s rule over the earth – not so much.
Darn.. I had more to say, but I’ve run out of time.
Later.
particolor says
Are the EX Muslims You know still alive ?
vlparker says
Tyler says: The hijab is worn to cover women up because of man’s nature of perversion.
Yeah, right. That’s why muslim men await the 72 virgins in heaven. That’s why muslim men can have four wives and as many sex slaves as their “right hand possesses.” That’s why muslim men can enter into “temporary marriages” with captive women. That’s why Boko Haram is kidnapping women and selling them into sexual slavery.
Well, on second thought, maybe you are right. Muslim men’s nature certainly is perverse.
Jon says
“The hijab is worn to cover women up because of man’s nature of perversion.”
So all women are 2nd class citizens by nature and all men are “perverted” by nature according to Allah… LOL
Tyler says
Jon, It’s a similar idea to one in the Torah, where God promotes modesty among women to keep men from lusting after them. I don’t see how that makes women second class citizens, Men are also tasked with not looking at women to protect the sanctity of themselves. It’s about not tempting your neighbor. Simple as that.
And yes, vlparker, men are perverse by nature. Not only Muslim men.
Jon says
Sorry, one last thing.. You said that this wasnt to intimidate people into wearing hijabs..
Nobody thinks that that is what this is…. I dont know if it is because you guys are young and idealistic but that is in no way what people are upset about over this.
People are upset that a despotic, and disgusting religion is being promoted in any way whatsoever… The behavior encouraged in Islams “holy” texts violate the rule of law ten ways to tuesday in modern secular societies <— This is what people are upset about
You need to understand that the reason people are upset over "Hijab Day" is seen because it is seen as akin to "Nazi day" or "Hey, lets murder and rape people who disagree with us, Day"
Tyler says
Hijab day is about information. It’s about explaining why people wear hijabs, because some people simply don’t know. It is NOT about forcing beliefs on anyone, It’s not that complicated. Do you realize how insensitive and intolerant you sound when calling the world’s largest religion “disgusting”? I am not saying I deny that some horrific things have been done in the name of Islam, but it has happened in every religion. Islam is not a bad religion, though there have been many bad representatives.
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“Do you realize how insensitive and intolerant you sound when calling the world’s largest religion “disgusting”?”
I think you’re having a Ben Affleck moment. Perhaps some facts will help you clear your mind. Would you say that someone that condones sex slavery, beating his wives into submission and that women are inferior to men is a disgusting person? If so, do you know that the quran allows sexual slavery (4:24), beating women into submission (4:34) and that women are inferior to men (2:228)? Do you still believe that describing a religion who allows for that as being “disgusting” is “insensitive and intolerant?
“I am not saying I deny that some horrific things have been done in the name of Islam, but it has happened in every religion.”
The thing is, the horrific things that have been done in tha name of islam have been done because of what islam teaches, not despite of it.
“ Islam is not a bad religion, though there have been many bad representatives.”
Like Bill Maher said: “When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard.”.
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“ Islam is not a bad religion, though there have been many bad representatives.”
Didn’t you say you are not an expert on islam?
Jon says
Tyler,
I highly doubt that “Hijab Day” is about information. The generous posters of this website are trying to inform you concerning information relating to the hijab and youre not taking any of it. If you would, or the student in question would, elucidate on what is the purpose of the hijab is we would all be EXTREMELY GREATFUL… We’ve all provided you with countless examples of what the hijab stands for according to the Quran and Hadith and you have failed to tell us what the hijab stands for…. Please…. Tell me what the hijab stands for?? Is it for butterflies and unicorns?? Is it for the tellitubies?
Wellington says
Too bad, Tyler, Rutten and yourself don’t comprehend that millions of women who would refuse to wear the hijab would be in grave danger. It is not a VOLUNTARY matter, even here in America in many Muslim households, let alone across the Islamic world. You know this or should know it.
Really, your excusing totalitariansim by way of promoting some kind of silly “Hijab Day” as “merely” a demonstration’ of one’s faith is pathetic. And your statement that the “hijab is worn to cover women up because of man’s nature of perversion” is sick, truly sick, to its very core, as is your pathetic attempt to reduce the injury to women who don’t wear the hijab as just some kind of “cultural thing.”
I’ll put it to you plainly, Tyler. Here it is: You are an apologist for evil, and specically evil carried out against the female gender in the name of Mo’s warped creed.. I don’t know how you can sleep at night.
Tyler says
Do I need to say that this event was put on by a girl who wears a headscarf? Not by Muslim men trying to put women in their place. Based on that, I think it’s fair to say that Hijab Day is NOT promoting the deaths/rapes/etc. that occur elsewhere.
How about a classic example to make it easier.
Hitler used the idea that Jews killed Jesus (among other things) to justify killing Jews. Does this mean every Christian who followed the Bible wants to kill Jews? Of course not. The former is a nation who warped religion to fit their needs. I hope that makes sense to you.
Jon says
Tyler Im glad you brought up Hitler, please compare Hitlers’ writings to the teachings espoused in the Quran and Hadith… and now, please go away.
Wellington says
Huh, Tyler, Hitler, though baptised a Catholic, despised all of Christianity, as his Table Talk reveals with total clarity. To aver or suggest, as you have, that Hitler was some kind of Christian, which he most emphatically was not, is just one more pathetic statement on your part. Hitler loathed Christianity. Tellingly though, he had some regard for Islam.
Also, only the subway view of Christianity ever blamed Jews for Christ’s death. The true view of Christianity is that the Jews and Romans were representative of mankind as a whole. Don’t you know even this? Really, you lurch from one insupportable ignorance to another. BTW, I am not religious in the least but at least I know something of religion while you clearly don’t.
As for the poor sod of a girl who wears a headscarf and who promoted this “hijab day” nonsense, I see her in the same light as a young teenage Nazi in the 1930s at some German school who would have supported “wear a swastika” day. Just as such a young Nazi would have been deluded, so is this young girl. After all, Tyler, all Islam really is, in the final analysis, is a spiritual and older version of Nazism. If you doubt me, tell me how Muslims aplenty support the right of a Muslim who converts to another religion to not be harmed in light of the fact that not a single school of Islamic theology to this very day, whether Sunni or Shiite, for instance the Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi or Maliki schools of the Sunni sect, have repudiated this loathsome, freedom-crushing doctrine.
I hope all this makes sense to you. But I doubt it will. After all, apologists for totalitarianism, and Islam is a totalitarian ideology if ever there were one, rarely make sense. You haven’t so far. Really, Tyler, debating with you is like shooting fish in a barrel. Perhaps you can find a fellow deluded soul like yourself who at least could give me some competition. To date you haven’t. Not even close.
Jon says
and Tyler I would be glad for you to tell my wife(a former Muslim) that the Quran does not say that “good Muslims” should kill her for leaving Islam? I’ll make sure that she see’s your info.
Tyler says
Wow that’s some major condescension. Congratulations, you’ve ‘beaten’ a 16 year old student. I did not mean to say that Hitler was Christian, only that he exploited that antisemitism that had stemmed from the Bible. In fact, Mein Kampf has many biblical allusions. Do you think, just maybe, that Hitler was more fond of Muslims because of their Jew-Hatred? The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
The difference between a girl wearing a hijab and a girl wearing a swastika is obvious. What do they stand for with these symbols? The girl wearing a swastika believes she is standing for a nation establishing dominance. Does she know about the evils occurring outside of war? No. She is innocent in ignorance. My classmate wearing a hijab stands for her religion, one that promotes general peace as much as most other religions, and is also innocent. Just stop attacking her faith k?
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“I did not mean to say that Hitler was Christian, only that he exploited that antisemitism that had stemmed from the Bible.”
Could you provide examples of this alleged anti-semitism in the Bible, a collection of documents written by Jews for Jews?
“In fact, Mein Kampf has many biblical allusions.”
Your point being? Give examples.
“My classmate wearing a hijab stands for her religion, one that promotes general peace as much as most other religions”
And still you insist that islam is a faith like any other, even though you said you are no expert on islam.
“Just stop attacking her faith k?”
I’ll stop “attacking” islam when islam stops attacking and vilifying me.
Wellington says
You actually think, Tyler, that Islam “promotes general peace as much as most other religions?” Really? If you do, then you are beyond naive. Islam is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon the unbeliever. Right in the Koran it says, “Fight the unbeliever until all religion is with Allah.” {Sura 8:39} And the founder of Islam, Mohammed, himself said, “I have been made victorious with terror.” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220} And please, no silly tu quoque comparisons with the Bible, which is often merely descriptive while the Koran is always prescriptive. Wake up, Tyler.
Something else. For me, there is little difference between the swastika and the hijab. Both are symbols of an ideology that wishes to dominate the earth. Nazism talked about a master race and Islam talks about a master faith. Indeed, wake up, Tyler. That is if you can.
Islam is completely incompatible with the basic freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment to the American Constitution and no other major faith is. There is no true freedom of religion in Islam and there is no true freedom of speech. Doubt me? Then go to any Muslim nation and try and preach Christianity or any religion other than Islam. Try also criticizing Islam, Mohammed or the Koran and see what happens to you. Done here.
Champ says
Tyler wrote:
My classmate wearing a hijab stands for her religion, one that promotes general peace as much as most other religions, and is also innocent.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tyler, you have discovered a really great website for learning the truth about islam. In fact, Robert Spencer has written many books that will help broaden your knowledge on the subject. And one of his books, “Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn’t”, is a book I highly recommend you consider reading since it addresses your above comment.
If you’re interested, then you can find it on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Peace-Christianity-Islam-Isnt/dp/1596985151
Take care.
Angemon says
Tyler posted:
“How about a classic example to make it easier.
Hitler used the idea that Jews killed Jesus (among other things) to justify killing Jews. Does this mean every Christian who followed the Bible wants to kill Jews? Of course not. The former is a nation who warped religion to fit their needs. I hope that makes sense to you.”
Let’s use a better example. Muhammad, the self proclaimed prophet of islam, says that Jews and Christians are the worst of creatures, and that Jews are descendants of apes and pigs. Does that mean that all muslims hate Jews and Christians, since muhammad is regarded by muslims as the perfect man and the best example of conduct? Of course not. But those who don’t regard Jews and Christians as the worst of creatures do so despite what their religion tells them.
As for Hitler, you get an F in history if you think his authority derived from religion.
CGW says
I couldn’t post this above due to space constraints.
islam is NOT the world’s largest religion, Tyler. Chrisitianity is. Look it up.
Your ignorance on that matter alone is enough to indict you as someone woefully uninformed on the greater issues with which this website concerns itself.
People here are trying to be gentle with you, because of your age and obvious naivete, but you’re way out of your depth here. If you can hold off pontificating inanities and try to learn from us, you’ll be better off in the long run. (BTW, the arguments you’re putting forth are typical apologetics, the kind we’ve been answering ad nauseum for the past 14 years. We’ve heard all of this before, yada yada yada.)
Jax Tolmen says
@Tyler
I’ll be brief, as you are relatively young and clearly just misinformed – which is not surprising given the community that you reside in, and the seemingly narrow set of perspectives you have been exposed to. I was much the same. Don’t confuse my stance on Islam for hatred of Muslims, as I bear no prejudice towards individuals. I do see Islam, like any ideology, as being subject to debate and criticism – which is a cornerstone of the Western World.
Given current events in the world, and the tangible evidence of Islamic violence towards non – Muslims and Muslims alike is the foundation of many, valid concerns . You may buy into the idea that terrorists are not true Muslims, or that they are prone to such heinous acts for other reasons. This isn’t a silly assumption to hold, but it becomes logically inconsistent when you compare it to the accepted judgements we render against Nazis and other hate groups. That is, the ideology has a tatangible link to acts of violence and clearly inspired such acts.
It is a fallacy to assume that because not all Muslims are violent, that Islam itself does not preach violence. I submit that peaceful Muslims are largely secular Muslims, or view their religion through a cultural lens and not a dogmatic one.
I suggest you do your own research, as I did, and come to your own conclusions. As an intelligent and well spoken young person, I trust you have the capacity for critical thinking. Accepting ideals and such without consideration is never a good thin. Objective analysis of tangible evidence must hold sway over personal feelings when the future of our Civilisation is at stake.
Jax Tolmen says
I’d also like to point out that I bear no ill will toward your friend, and I do feel somewhat sorry that she has become the focus of the storm of controversy – when it obviously was not her intent.
However, ignorance is not a defence. My regards to both you and her.
Tyler says
I typed out a big reply about how I just don’t see the big deal in her answering the questions she was asked millions of times and such, but it didn’t post. So sorry, but I’m done haha. This is too time consuming and there are better ways to spend my time. Thank you for showing so much respect JaxTholmen and I understand your stance. Just like you, I see in terms of individuals, and I see an individual girl trying to answer FAQs. That is all.
Tyler says
I genuinely appreciate your tone and can understand your stance. I’m just going to say my basic statement and then I’m done with the commenting.
I’ve grown up in a very diverse community. As a result, I try to see individuals as just that: individuals. The student who organized hijab day is a friend of mine. She’s very sweet and caring, but also strict in faith as far as my understanding goes. Multiple times, she has been asked, “oh are you Sikh? Muslim? Hindu? Why do you wear that scarf? Do your parents force you?”
Basically, she decided to answer everyone at once with hijab day, where she would suggest that girls wear hijabs and boys wear bracelets with messages about hijabs on them. She wears a hijab out of pride and independence. She is not forced, it is her choice. This is the second year that hijab day has occurred, and it was a shock to everyone that it became an internet outrage. She is being called a terrorist, which, let’s be honest, is pretty ridiculous. I honestly just want to protect her and my school. This has spun way out of control with the jihad accusations and such. She is clearing up a topic that is important to her. There was obviously many questions, and she answered them. There was no promotion of hate, nor was there any force involved. This really doesn’t need to be a big deal. There is no “Next Step”, and that’s that.
Jon says
“She wears it by choice” Really? Does she really wear it by choice? Get a grip
Jon says
@Tyler
If your classmate wears a hijab “out of pride” then we consider her a fucking moron, as should every free individual…
Celebrating or having pride in the subjugation, torture of women is fucking disgusting. Please dont try to ascribe free will to a subjugated brainwashed Muslim TEEN, this is ridiculous
Go fuck yourself Tyler, I dont care if youre 16, somebody needs to tell you that youre a fucking moron because your politically correct schoolteachers wont apparently.
Jon says
I do not believe that “Tyler” is an actual student from NP3. If he is then Satan literally has his hand straight up this poor boys ass and is spewing slick turds out of his mouth… Go and read “Tyler”s responses on this thread and try not to vomit. The force is strong in this one. I swear, I wouldn’t be surprised that I was debating Satan himself in this thread. At the very least I can say that this is not a 16yr old student, nor is the “students response” genuine, these are representatives of the murderous religion of Islam
Angemon says
Jon posted:
“I do not believe that “Tyler” is an actual student from NP3.”
I believe no one here believes…
TheBuffster says
Well said, Jax!
Andy DRE says
Robert, your the best. I wish that we could clone you. We are in dier need for someone like you here in the uk and europe. Douglas Murray does his best in the uk media but he is not a scolar as you are and never qoutes chapter and verse. He also repeatedly refers to a particular version/idiology when talking about violent islamic extremism. Remind me again which version of islam does not mandate death to apostates and homosexuals….Any news on your appeal against your uk banning order? Honestly, i probably would not attend edl marches but i would part the red sea just to hear you speak here in the uk. Please carry on telling the truth. The truth must prevail if we have any chance.
vlparker says
Funny that islam is the only religion that we need to have an open and frank discussion about.
Wellington says
Tom Rutten in microcosm is the face of modern education in America. There are tens upon tens of thousands of Tom Ruttens out there in the American educational establishment, from kindergarten to graduate school. Yes, these silly, over-educated rubes are practically ubiquitous at every level of American education these days. They have imbibed the nonsense from the various Schools of Education that exist at colleges and universities, which Schools have done (ironically) so much damage to true education from the 1960s onwards. And, of course, precisely because of this nonsense, which is replete with pc/mc and a whole host of other bad ideas (a few of which I mention below), the youth of America are in great danger because they are presently being educated by fools and wimps.
I saw all this first hand. At the small college where I taught history for some thirty years the present powers that be eliminated ALL history requirements (even though students circulated a petition to keep history courses like mine). They also became very fond of using such nonsense phrases as “skill v. content.” This particular phrase is code for the contention that memorization of anything is no longer necessary, nor is any chronological framework or overarching narrative (helps to explain why even Harvard students don’t even know the capital of Canada—–Google this). Another winner here is “learning by doing.” This is code for no more diligent study but rather ad nauseam emphasis on inductive learning, which proceeds from the specific to the general rather than from the general to the specific, as deductive learning does, This approach, except in a few areas like the learning of a foreign language, and perhaps not even than, leaves the student with bits and pieces of information and disallows any seeing of a “big pciture”——-really, if anyone seeks to understand the rot going on in modern education today, one can’t do so if they miss this inductive v. deductive learning dichotomy. And there is more, much more, of this rot going on in modern education these days as evidenced by other pompous and empty phrases like “transformative connections” and “epistemological inquiries.”
Truly, unless one has spent a lot of time in modern academia, as I have, it is unlikely that a person will comprehend just how much American education has been bastardized and distorted. It is a tragedy in the making. My advice to young parents who still have common sense is home school your children because the public AND private schools have become centers of misinformation and anti-education. I’d bet my life on the truth of what I’ve just averred. I saw it first-hand for a third of a century.
In short, the Tom Ruttens are everywhere. Avoid them like the plague, especially for your children’s sake. Also, if you’re a patriotic American, for your nation’s sake.
mortimer says
The blind enemies of free speech are the Cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School of ‘Critical Theory’. People like High School principal Tom Rutten.
The purpose of their group think is to designate Muslims as ‘official victims of colonial racism’. With that designation firmly in place, Muslims can commit any atrocity without being criticized while any remark or reservation against jihad or Islamic supremacism or MISOGYNY (as in this case) is branded ‘RACISM’.
What race is MISOGYNY?
cs says
Frankfurt school did not teach bow to Islam, it was completely against this sort of repressive thanaic (death cult) ideology.
Vox populi says
“that young Muslim women face when they put on a headscarf.” would sound better like …”… HAVE to put on…”, as so well explained by this fellow: http://youtu.be/JOrTuotvylo who obviously refers to matters that have nothing to do with islam.
terry says
What an answer, Mr. Robert Spencer!
I’ll make a copy of it for my files.
AnnaS says
Me too ! Absolutely brilliant. I await the man’s reply with bated breath. But doubt there will be one.
Whatever, for us, Mr. Spencer,your supporters, you are hardly a bigoted islamophobe ( well , technically, you are an islamophobe as we here all are, and rightfully so, we are actually past the phobia stage, and now terrified of Islam, with very good reason as we see and hear daily, because the ” phobia”is hardly irrational !) but a courageous learned hero.
May God bless you
Shane says
The hypocritical liberal scum who run so many of our public schools would have a heart attack if a Christian child tried to explain his religious views to his classmates, but they just love helping Muslims to explain Islam. I despise these gutless dhimmis much more than Muslims who are trying to promote Islam.
John Stefan Obeda says
Yes, indeed, Robert, God bless you. He has blessed you with the ability to think clearly, to see the question and to answer it well. But, very unfortunately, even if someone were to rise from the dead, if he rejects the existence of an afterlife, he still would not believe it. How sad for the students if they are not instructed in the truth. They themselves may suffer under shariah law. Let us all pray for our leaders i.e. Robert and Pamela and others for God’s protection and blessings and for their families and for our beloved country whatever country God put us in.
katnis says
@Vox – Great video above ^.
I liked this one too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2rL6NDoyKg This woman really tells off the imam and removes her hijab during an interview. Proud of her!
CalmProActiveResponse says
To: oldwhiteguy
oldwhiteguy, Your comment actually helps policical Islam.
Islam has enough kill in it, for anyone to add some. Whether you are pro-jihad or anti-jihad, I’m ashamed by people like you with such sick ideas. I hope you will repent of such self defeating thoughts.
Let our side always remain vigilent and positive. We walk the the straight and narrow.
katnis says
@Vox –
Thanks for sharing the muslim video on the hijab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOrTuotvylo&feature=youtu.be
WOW – Those defending the hijab need to hear this imam talk about how disgusting childbirth and menstruation are… How women should not come and go too much… How the hijab makes them more like the virgins in paradise. Modesty was not mentioned once.
Still want to defend the hijab?
particolor says
Those Mongrels are Sickening !!
rabrooks says
And that’s the best he had to say………………….
mortimer says
This is not only the promotion of one religion over another, this is the promotion of MISOGYNY over gender equality! TWO WRONGS!
The promotion of Muslims as ‘noble savages’ who can do no wrong is a perversion of logic in the name of a Marxist misinterpretation of history.
All Americans are equal in the USA and equally lacking in establishment. There is no need to promote one religion to show that Muslims are equal.
The school is establishing Islam in a more favored position above other faiths. They are enforcing Sharia and surrendering to Islam.
shabeer_hassan says
Forced conversion prohibited:
7: 51,7: 188,9: 129,10: 41,10: 99,10: 108,11:12,12: 103,104,13: 40,14: 52,16: 35,16:37,16: 82,17: 105,18:29 ,18: 56,19: 97,20: 2,3,22: 49,24: 54,25: 43,44,56,26: 113,114,115,26: 216,117,27:80,81,92,28: 54,55,56,30: 52,53,33: 45,41:40,46,34: 28,46,50,36: 17,69,70,38: 65,39:41,42: 6,42:15,48,43: 40,83,89,44: 21,46:9,50: 45,51: 54,55,52: 45,54: 6,64: 12,65: 10,67: 25,26,68: 44,68: 51,52,70: 42,72: 21,23,73: 10,11,73: 19,74: 54,55,56,79: 45,80: 5,6,7,86: 17,87: 9,10,11,88: 17-26,109: 1-6
Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2676
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.
2: 272. Not upon you (Muhammad SAW) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.
4:28 “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).
5: 92. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or Al¬Ansâb, or Al¬Azlâm, etc.) and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger’s duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.
6: 48. And We send not the Messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believes and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.
7: 51. “Who took their religion as an amusement and play, and the life of the world deceived them.” So this Day We shall forget them as they forgot their meeting of this Day, and as they used to reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
7: 188. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe.”
9: 129. . But if they turn away, say (O Muhammad SAW): “Allah is sufficient for me. Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne.”
Jan says
Forced conversion prohibitted if you accept to:
– die if you are a mushrik 9.5
– live as a second class citizen if you are ahl al kitab 9.29
– go to hell 2.257
Mark says
So why did you choose to worship satan and call a paedophile, animal molester, homosexual, transvestite, necrophiliac, rapist, liar, murderer and thief – the best example of man to follow?
john says
Mark, the qu’ran is full of taqiyya!
Champ says
o_0
Allison says
It is not what he said but rather what he did not say.
Do you want to die, convert or pay for the privelege of living (because you are a second class citizen).
It is all there in the kora.
He is just cherry-picking.
apran says
The school principal is so coward so that he has to hide behind a student.
Salah says
@ apran
“The school principal is so coward so that he has to hide behind a student.”
The prophet of Islam was so coward so that he had to hide behind the army unit.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/03/muhammad-coward.html
That said, the school principal is more than coward, he is complicit, he is a traitor.
shabeer_hassan says
3:175. It is only Shaitân (Satan) that suggests to you the fear of his Auliyâ’ [supporters and friends (polytheists, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger, Muhammad SAW)], so fear them not, but fear Me, if you are (true) believers.
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 77
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet used to say, “O Allah! I seek refuge with You from helplessness, laziness, cowardice and feeble old age; I seek refuge with You from afflictions of life and death and seek refuge with You from the punishment in the grave.”
Muslim :: Book 35 : Hadith 6568
Zaid b. Alqam reported: I am not going to say anything but only that which Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upgn him) used to say. He used to supplicate:” O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from incapacity, from sloth, from cowardice, from miserliness, decrepitude and from torment of the grave. O Allah, grant to my soul the sense of righteousness and purify it, for Thou art the Best Purifier thereof.
katnis says
This isn’t really adding anything to the conversation.
JOSEPH says
Shabeer, You will be going to hell for two reasons. 1) You deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, who died on the cross for your sins. 2) You deny the Holy Spirit. You should read the original book of salvation, the Holy Bible, not the plagiarized version called the Koran. NOW, this will knock your socks off….. I will be praying for you
Champ says
JOSEPH …
Question: “Who will go to hell?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-will-go-to-hell.html
Bezelel says
“The irrational reaction by some intolerant individuals is similar to the many manufactured controversies nationwide over the teaching of basic information about Islam,”-quoted from the “students” letter.
Tolerance or the misuse of the word has become a pet peeve of mine. Tolerance is calculated into engine designs. Even the most finely tune engines depend on a degree of tolerance, however beyond that degree tolerance becomes slop. Slop has a cumulative effect that if not corrected, becomes catastrophic failure. There is nothing irrational about diagnosing warning signs of known issues that lead to catastrophe.Current events involving islam are tantamount to catastrophic failure in their countries and the effects of it is spread with migration of those who practice islam.
The recent attack in France by muslims was an irrational and intolerant reaction and that is an undeniable fact. islam is by definition irrational and intolerant.
Sam says
Good response Robert 🙂 i did not get any reply on my concerns yet 🙁
Natomas Citizen says
I simply do not undertsand the ignorance of so many people. How can you individuals justify Islamphobia as being “rational.” In what ways is it rational? Do you base this claim from the fact that the cause of 9/11 was a Muslim terrorists group? Or that presently there are other Muslim terrorist group such ISIS that threaten many people? Even if this was true, what right do you have to stereotype other Muslims as “terrorists?” You have no idea how they go about in their daily life or who they even interact with on a daily basis. Sure you Islamphobics might assume that they all secretly meet at one location to discuss future terrorizes attacks, but why? Why burden this hate and fear onto one speicfic religion just because other people of that same religion chose to committ a heinous crime? Why judge an individual through the actions of another person or group similar to them? If a Mexican terrorists group were to bomb the pentagon would everyone view all Mexicans as terrorists? Should all Native Americas view all Caucasians as barbarians for coming into America, wiping out a majority of the native population, taking their land, and putting them into slavery in order to tend to their crops? If everybody judged others from the actions of people who are either of the same race or religion as them, then the country would be in constant fear and hate. This prejudice and paranoia people fill themselves with further splits America and it’s citizens. Instead of celebrating and promoting diversity, people like you discourage this interaction all because of your irrational fears.
Hero? How is this man a hero? If anything, he is an ignorant coward who perpetuates his fear through this article. Have any of you people taken the time to actually get to know a decent Muslim family? Or learn about their culture by asking a Muslim directly instead of using Google to get your facts? If you have taken the time to talk to a real Muslim, you would know that a hijab is anything but oppression. It is a sign of modesty and devotion to God. It shows that they don’t need to flaunt their skin and their bodies around as most woman in America do in today’s time.
The Hijab Day held at NP3 was meant to spread awareness about the harsh treatment woman receive by wearing a hijab. The discrimination and hate they face everyday just for practicing their religion. You guys say some women and girls have been beaten and killed for not wearing a hijab, but what about the woman who have been beaten and killed becasue they wear a hijab. Plenty of Muslim women everyone recieve this type of negative response, yet you chose to focus on only one specific area. The Hijab Day at NP3 was not only meant to spread this awareness, but it was never forced onto any of the students of female staff members. All were educated on hijabs and the Muslim culture and were given a choice of whether they wanted to participate or not. If you were actually at the school you would see that there were plenty of girls who did participate and who did not participate. This whole event that was meant to help a senior with her senior project as now turned into this huge controversy. She hoped to spread awareness about the religion her loves and the harsh obstacles they face, but in the end it only recieved more hate. Why are so many people against moving forward from this stereotype and accepting all religions and cultures that flourish in America? We need to start realizing that everyone is their own person and that they take actions that reflect upon themselves and no other person.
Angemon says
Natomas Citizen posted:
“I simply do not undertsand the ignorance of so many people.”
It’s simple: the quran says that muhammad is the best example of conduct. If muhammad prescribed drinking camel urine muslims are supposed to do it.
“How can you individuals justify Islamphobia as being “rational.””
“Islamophobia” is a term coined to silence critics of islam by associating criticism of islam with a mental ilness.
“In what ways is it rational? Do you base this claim from the fact that the cause of 9/11 was a Muslim terrorists group? Or that presently there are other Muslim terrorist group such ISIS that threaten many people? Even if this was true”
And this is where the readers know NOT to take what you say seriously. “Even if it were true” that muslims did 9/11? “Even if it were true” that ISIS threatens many people? What a joke you are.
“what right do you have to stereotype other Muslims as “terrorists?””
And here is the contradiction: “even if it were true” and then “other muslims”. First you doubt that muslims were behind 9/11, then you object we judge other
muslims based on what they choose to believe. As far as I know, there’s no difference between the quran, sira and ahadith in which the 9/11 terrorists, or the Boston Bombers, or Malik Hasan, or ISIS believe and the quran, sira and ahadith in which the so-called “other muslims” claim to believe.
“You have no idea how they go about in their daily life or who they even interact with on a daily basis.”
Which is irrelevant for this argument.
“Sure you Islamphobics might assume that they all secretly meet at one location to discuss future terrorizes attacks, but why?”
I doubt anyone here assumes that. It’s as if you have nothing to stand on and have to resort to the word “islamophobia” and making misrepresentations of what the so-called “islamophobes” assume.
“Why burden this hate and fear onto one speicfic religion just because other people of that same religion chose to committ a heinous crime?”
Hate? I think you’re reading too much into this, buddy. And once again, you’re contradicting yourself – remember when you said that “if it were true” regarding 9/11 and ISIS.
“Why judge an individual through the actions of another person or group similar to them?”
Yes, why make assumptions about someone based on the ideology they profess to believe? Why indeed?
“If a Mexican terrorists group were to bomb the pentagon would everyone view all Mexicans as terrorists?”
If the national identity of Mexican people mandate them to bomb the Pentagon the same way islam mandates warfare against, and subjugation of, unbelievers then everyone would see Mexicans as *potential* terrorists.
“Should all Native Americas view all Caucasians as barbarians for coming into America, wiping out a majority of the native population, taking their land, and putting them into slavery in order to tend to their crops?”
Ah, here we get a bit of “white guilt”. A classic. Do you know that most Native Americans who died after coming into contact with Europeans died from diseases they had no immunity against? Diseases that they’d have contracted anyway, if they had sailed to Europe instead. And the answer to your question is this: if the identity of Caucasians mandate them to go to America and enslave the natives the same way islam mandates warfare against, and subjugation of, unbelievers then everyone would see Caucasians as *potential* terrorists.
See, you’re trying to compare racial and nationality features with religion. I can choose to convert to and from islam. I can’t choose to be, or stop being, Caucasian, and I it’s not up to me to be, or stop being, Mexican. My skin colour is what is (and there’s nothing I can do about it), and my nationality is what it is. Islam, on the other hand, is an ideology with set rules and commandments. If anyone claims to be a muslim then I can assume they know and/or support all of those rules and commandments.
“If everybody judged others from the actions of people who are either of the same race or religion as them, then the country would be in constant fear and hate.”
I seriously doubt that anyone here judges muslims because of, let’s say, 9/11. I believe most people here have read the quran, sira and/or ahadith, and read/listened to muslim clerics and commentators, and they know what islam has in store for them.
Now, have you read any of the aforementioned works?
“This prejudice and paranoia people fill themselves with further splits America and it’s citizens. Instead of celebrating and promoting diversity, people like you discourage this interaction all because of your irrational fears.”
Remember when the army prioritized “diversity” over security when faced with Malik Hasan’s rants against non-muslims? How did that work out for them?
“Hero? How is this man a hero? If anything, he is an ignorant coward who perpetuates his fear through this article.”
Smear without any evidence to back it. Typical CAIR goonery.
“Have any of you people taken the time to actually get to know a decent Muslim family? Or learn about their culture by asking a Muslim directly instead of using Google to get your facts?”
Huh? The way to get to learn about islam is to ask a muslim? But didn’t you warn us not to judge islam for the actions of some muslims? What if we happened to ask about islam to an “extremist” muslim? Once again, you’re making no sense whatsoever. I know catholics who practice birth control. Does than mean the Catholic Church is in favour of birth control? Of course not.
No, if you want to learn about a religion you go straight to a source – their holy texts. And the quran, sira and ahadith command muslims to fight non-muslims until islam rules the world. No amount of cries of “islamophobia!”, “bigotry” or “intolerance!” will change that.
“If you have taken the time to talk to a real Muslim, you would know that a hijab is anything but oppression.”
By “real muslim” you mean “westernized muslim, right? Because I’m certain that if I were to ask a “real” muslim in Saudi Arabia about the jihab, he’d tell me that hijabs are rubbish and the burqa is mandatory.
“It is a sign of modesty and devotion to God. It shows that they don’t need to flaunt their skin and their bodies around as most woman in America do in today’s time.”
You can be modest and devoted to God without wearing a hijab. And forcing other people to make special accommodations for your religion is not “devotion to god”, it’s supremacism, plain and simple.
“The Hijab Day held at NP3 was meant to spread awareness about the harsh treatment woman receive by wearing a hijab. The discrimination and hate they face everyday just for practicing their religion.”
I believe most people here would argue against hating someone for wearing a hijab, and they’d also argue against caving in and making special accommodations for those who do want to wear a hijab, like suing a kart company for advising against wearing a scarf while using the kart.
“You guys say some women and girls have been beaten and killed for not wearing a hijab,”
Which they have, even in countries like the US or Canada.
“but what about the woman who have been beaten and killed becasue they wear a hijab.”
Like whom? Shaima Alawadi, a women killed in an alleged hate crime? Her husband was the murderer, and he faked a hate crime to throw suspicions off him.
“Plenty of Muslim women everyone recieve this type of negative response”
And no one here argued that women should be beaten or insulted for wearing a hijab.
“yet you chose to focus on only one specific area.”
You mean the truth? That woemen worldwide are forced to wear the hijab and that their lives may be in danger of they choose not to?
“The Hijab Day at NP3 was not only meant to spread this awareness, but it was never forced onto any of the students of female staff members. All were educated on hijabs and the Muslim culture and were given a choice of whether they wanted to participate or not. If you were actually at the school you would see that there were plenty of girls who did participate and who did not participate.”
And how did the terrorist-linked CAIR and MSA came into play?
“This whole event that was meant to help a senior with her senior project as now turned into this huge controversy.”
And how did the terrorist-linked CAIR and MSA came into play?
“She hoped to spread awareness about the religion her loves and the harsh obstacles they face”
What obstacles would that be? Politicians and corporations go out of their way to accommodate demands from muslims, under the penalty of being called “islamophobes”, “racists” or “bigots” if they don’t.
“but in the end it only recieved more hate.”
Where’s this so-called “hate”? And how did the terrorist-linked CAIR and MSA came into play? That’s something I’d like to know.
“Why are so many people against moving forward from this stereotype and accepting all religions and cultures that flourish in America?”
Islam is not native to America. In fact, it’s relatively new, and it has a terrible track record, from the Barbary Wars to the Boston Bombings and beyond.
“We need to start realizing that everyone is their own person and that they take actions that reflect upon themselves and no other person.”
Once again, you’re spinning in circles and contradicting yourself. Are we supposed to “accept” islam, an ideology that mandates warfare against, and subjugation, of non-muslims, allows sexual slavery, wife-beating and sex with children, or accept individual muslims without caring for their religion and what others do because of their religion?
shabeer_hassan says
allows #sexual slavery
ISLAM ORDRED FREEGING /MARRING /GIVE EDUCATION /KEEP GOOD MANNERS TO SLAVE GIRL
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 285
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari:
Allah’s Apostle said, “If a person teaches his slave girl good manners properly, educates her properly, and then manumits and marries her, he will get a double reward. And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. And if a slave fears his Lord (i.e. Allah) and obeys his masters, he too will get a double reward.”
Slave rape prohibited:
Malik :: Book 36 : Hadith 36.16.14
Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.2.13
Slave prostitution prohibited:
24:33. and let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His Bounty. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you know that they are good and trustworthy. And give them something yourselves out of the wealth of Allah which He has bestowed upon you. And force not your maids to prostitution, if they desire chastity, in order that you may make a gain in the (perishable) goods of this worldly life. But if anyone compels them (to prostitution), then after such compulsion, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to those women, i.e. He will forgive them because they have been forced to do this evil action unwillingly).
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 63 :: Hadith 260
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet forbade taking the earnings of a slave girl by prostitution.
Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.3.16
Malik related to me from Yahya ibn Said that Sulayman ibn Yasar informed him that Abdullah ibn Abbas ibn Abi Rabia al-Makhzumi said, “Umar ibn al-Khattab gave me orders about the slaves of Quraysh and we flogged some of the slave-girls of the muslim lands fifty times each for fornication.”
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 82 :: Hadith 822,823
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 46 :: Hadith 731
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 36 :: Hadith 483
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 440 ,436,439
Muslim :: Book 43 : Hadith 7180, 7181
Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.3.16
Sex with slave act of ignorance:
Muslim :: Book 40 : Hadith 6856
……Qatada said: Abu Abdullah, would this happen? Thereupon he said: Yes. By Allah, I found this in the days of ignorance that a person grazed the goat of a tribe and did not find anyone but their slave-girl (and he did not spare her) but committed adultery with her.
Muslim :: Book 20 : Hadith 4554
It his been narrated through a different chain of transmitters, on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: Messenger of Allah, no doubt, we had an evil time (i. e. the days of Jahiliyya or ignorance) and God brought us a good time (i. e. Islamic period) through which we are now living Will there be a bad time after this good time? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Yes. I said: Will there be a good time after this bad time? He said: Yes. I said: Will there be a bad time after good time? He said: Yes.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
The Prophet said, “The most hated persons to Allah are three: (1) A person who deviates from the right conduct, i.e., an evil doer, in the Haram (sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina); (2) a person who seeks that the traditions of the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance, should remain in Islam (3) and a person who seeks to shed somebody’s blood without any right.”
, #wife-beating and
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2138
Narrated Mu’awiyah ibn Haydah:
I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.
Prophet never allow women to marry a beater
Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3526,3527
Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3526
Fatima bint Qais (Allah be pleased with her) reported that her husband divorced her with three, pronouncements and Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made no provision for her lodging and maintenance allowance. She (further said): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: When your period of ‘Idda is over, inform me. So I informed him. (By that time) Mu’awiya, Abu Jahm and Usama b. Zaid had given her the proposal of marriage. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: So far as Mu’awiya is concerned, he is a poor man without any property. So far as Abu Jahm is concerned, he is a great beater of women, but Usama b. Zaid… She pointed with her hand (that she did not approve of the idea of marrying) Usama. But Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon himn) said: Obedience to Allah and obedience to His Messenger is better for thee. She said: So I married him, and I became an object of envy.
Wife beat prohibited:
Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5756
‘A’isha reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) never beat anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant, but only, in the case when he had been fighting in the cause of Allah and he never took revenge for anything unless the things made inviolable by Allah were made violable; he then took revenge for Allah, the Exalted and Glorious.
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 132
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Zam’a:
The Prophet said, “None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.”
Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 466
Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5756
Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3526 [prophet never allow women to marry a beater] ,3527
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 68
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2137,2138,2139,2141
Dawud :: Book 12 : Hadith 2220
Dawud :: Book 1 : Hadith 142
BIBLE
Exodus 21:7-11
7. “If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8. “If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9. “If he designates her for his son [Note: “his son” means that the master is either her father’s age or even much older!], he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10. “If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11. “If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
#sex with children
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The child of adultery is worst of the three.
ISLAM PROMOTE TWO CONDITION OF MARRIAGE
1)GIRL MUST REACHED HER PUBERTY LEVEL
2)HER PERMISSION REQUIRED FOR MARRIAGE
EVIDENCE
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 8 :: Hadith 465
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings.
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 151
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2091
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice.
WHO R THE FOLLOWER OF PEDO?
CHRISTIANITY/JEW/HINDUISM
1- The Bible’s Prophets, and even Roman Emperors married girls as young as 8! [ roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm. ]
2- Mary got pregnant between the ages of 11 and 14 [2].
“They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. “When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing.”
Manu 9:94. A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would (otherwise) be impeded, (he must marry) sooner.
Vishnu Purana III:10 If he marry,he must select a maiden who is of a third his age,one who has not too much hair,but is not without any,one who is not very black or yellow complexioned and who is not from birth a cripple or deformed…”
Mahabharata XLIV (p.18)A person of thirty years of age should wed a girl of ten years of age called a Nagnika. Or, a person of one and twenty years of age should wed a girl of seven years of age.
Baudhayana:Prasna 4:Adhyaya1
11. Let him give his daughter, while she still goes naked, to a man who has not broken the vow of chastity and who possesses good qualities, or even to one destitute of good qualities; let him not keep (the maiden) in (his house) after she has reached the age of puberty”
Angemon says
shabeer_hassan, the copy/paste man, posted:
“allows #sexual slavery
ISLAM ORDRED FREEGING /MARRING /GIVE EDUCATION /KEEP GOOD MANNERS TO SLAVE GIRL”
Educated or not, a sexual slave is still a sexual slave.
quran 4:24
And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess
This verse allows muslim men to have sex with slave women even if they’re married.
Blitz2b says
@shabeer_hassan,
For one you are simply spamming the post, I don’t think anyone is interested in your copy/past keyboard diarrhea.
Secondly, this caught my eye.
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari:
Allah’s Apostle said, “blah blah blah …..And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. ….”
Are you bloody serious?
How can anyone in their right mind believe in Jesus and then turn around and believe in Mohammed.
Have you ever read the Gospels to see how the teachings of Jesus are diametrically opposed to those of your so-called prophet?
Jesus taught ” …. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you…”
Mohammed revealed a diabolical allah who taught his believers ” …. cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers … strike of their heads and every fingertips of them…”
Do you see why this hadith is so absurd? Mohammed was really illiterate, and therefore ignorant of Jesus’ teaching, or else he would have given up his opportunistic, lustful life of worldly wealth and desire and accepted the Jesus as his Lord and savior. Instead he gave into the desires of the flesh and fame promised to him by the demon in the cave at Hira.
You are neither illiterate nor are you ignorant, open your eyes and seek the truth with an open heart. Know that Mohammed was a sinner, who lived a worldly life with women and looted wealth of nations he conquered.
So in response to your prophet to ” believe in Jesus as well as him”, our answer is a resounding NO to Mohammed and his corrupted religion Islam.
Matthew 6:24
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other….”
And yeah … STOP YOUR SPAMMING ! ! !
Blitz2b says
@shabeer_hassan,
For one you are simply spamming the post, I don’t think anyone is interested in your copy/past keyboard diarrhea.
Secondly, this caught my eye.
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari:
Allah’s Apostle said, “blah blah blah …..And if a man believes in Jesus and then believes in me, he will get a double reward. ….”
Are you bloody serious?
How can anyone in their right mind believe in Jesus and then turn around and believe in Mohammed.
Have you ever read the Gospels to see how the teachings of Jesus are diametrically opposed to those of your so-called prophet?
Jesus taught ” …. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you…”
Mohammed revealed a diabolical allah who taught his believers ” …. cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers … strike of their heads and every fingertips of them…”
Do you see why this hadith is so absurd? Mohammed was really illiterate, and therefore ignorant of Jesus’ teaching, or else he would have given up his opportunistic, lustful life of worldly wealth and desire and accepted the Jesus as his Lord and savior. Instead he gave into the desires of the flesh and fame promised to him by the demon in the cave at Hira.
You are neither illiterate nor are you ignorant, open your eyes and seek the truth with an open heart. Know that Mohammed was a sinner, who lived a worldly life with women and looted wealth of nations he conquered.
So the answer to your prophet to “believe in Jesus as well as him”, our response is a resounding NO ! to Mohammed and his evil Islam.
Matthew 6:24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other….”
Champ says
Bravo, Angemon! …great comment.
Bezelel says
If you want what islam has then do what islam does. Take time to examine what islam has. It is not so easily discounted as a stereotype. The articles here at JW are not fantasy. It is grievously irrational to accommodate any group whose charter members subscribe to destroy our way of life by any means possible. They are not acting as individuals. They are acting as a force willing to use force against anyone who disagrees with them. The behavior is nurtured by their supremacist belief system as prescribed by their koran. Their destructive intentions are in writing and available for your inspection.Why not have swastika day? Nazis would feel uncomfortable wearing they symbol of their supremacy. Don’t you have any fuzzy feelings for Nazi’s?
Jan says
Dear Natomas citizen,
My name is Jan and I am the founder and president of the Movement of Ex-muslims in Belgium. More than 20 years ago, I converted to Islam to marry my wife who is a muslima. Her marrying a non-muslim was legally impossible and unacceptable for her family though mine had to swallow my conversion to Islam.
We are visiting the family of my wife in her home country almost every year, so I am well aware of islamic culture. I do not see much difference in their way of living or educating their children than we do over in Europe. I consider my in-laws as people that are more generous, hospitable and above all honest than I consider myself and my extended family to be. My in-laws are mainly cultural muslims living in a muslim country, practicing the five pillars of Islam but not really interested much in Islam as a subject to study.
However over the years, I discovered that their view on Islam is quite extremist. They strongly approve of the death penalty for apostasy, they think it is OK to lie to advance the spread of Islam. They show understanding for terrorism especially against Israel but also in other places.
The problem with muslims is that they follow a Prophet who had a very violent side related to defending and spreading Islam. During classes about Islam, muslim children mainly get indoctrinated into believing the “thruth” of the Qur’an and Islam in general and to love their Prophet as the perfect man. That is their basis. Converts to Islam acquire this indoctrination in a speedy way.
However when later in life, muslims get to know the ugly face of Muhammad, they can either ignore it, basically do a big effort to do as if it doesn’t exist or they decide to obey the commands of Muhammad as the personality to be followed in all aspects of life as their parents told them and they become terrorists.
They become unguided missiles capable of committing the most horrible atrocities just like Muhammad did when he founded his religion of “peace and tolerance” And there we have a problem.
In Europe, thousands and thousands of our muslim young men and women have joined IS, the most heinous islamic terrorist group in Syria and Iraq and the muslim community is doing nothing to eliminate the root of the problem but instead yell “islamophobia” and claim victimhood.
It is this culture of death that Robert and we as a Movement of ex-muslims are resisting.
Cheers
Angemon says
Nicely put, Jan, and thank you for sharing your personal experience with us.
katnis says
Jan – I appreciate your story very much. Thank for sharing. I hope this provides some insight to others.
TheBuffster says
Thanks for sharing that, Jan.
rabrooks says
Even if “islamophobia” was a real word, how can it be islamophobia, if we are reacting to current events, in the here and now? How many killings do you think is enough to say something is worong with these people? How many kidnappings, rapes, burnt villages, burnt churches and young girls/boys being sold off as slaves before the simple fact that pislam, and it’s followers, have no place in modern society?
If this is imaginary, just indicate which of the prevoiusly mentioned actions are not inflicted on society by mudslimes on a daily basis?
JoannaGoanna says
Congratulations Robert on a reasoned and articulate response to this outrageous act of creeping sharia.
The islamisation of the USA is a frightening prospect and a chilling warning for us in Australia because of the apathy that abounds all around us.Thank you for your tireless work.
Angemon says
It would be nice if besides the cries of “intolerance”, “islamophobia” and overall “shame on you!!!” attitude, these so-called “NP3 students” would explain us how and why terrorist-linked CAIR and MSA came into play.
Medina says
My high school-aged daughter and I discussed the hijab day. She said if her school had sponsored this, it would be a day for her and her friends to adorn their long tresses or wear Dolly Parton wigs in support of freedom of exposure. My spouse agreed to take a vintage “Hair” (the musical) t-shirt out of retirement.
Alignment with known terrorist organizations by schools should be reason for discharge of all employees involved. Why wasn’t it?
katnis says
Kudos to you and your daughter! She is someone to be proud of!
SK says
I am a student at NP3 and I can assure you that CAIR had absolutely nothing to do with Hijab Day. You are misinformed.
Angemon says
SK posted:
“I am a student at NP3 and I can assure you that CAIR had absolutely nothing to do with Hijab Day. You are misinformed.”
So why was a CAIR representative in the mandatory staff meeting about islamophobia and islam? Were you at the staff meeting?
SK says
The meeting was not at all mandatory. With all due respect, you don’t know the facts. Robert Spencer’s article was full of false information.
Angemon says
SK posted:
“The meeting was not at all mandatory.”
So there was a staff meeting, and you don’t deny that an official representative was present. Also, are staff meetings optional?
“With all due respect, you don’t know the facts.”
Last time I was either a student or a teacher, students weren’t privy to what took place in staff meetings, and in my years as a teacher there was no such thing as an optional staff meeting – staff meetings were always mandatory.
“Robert Spencer’s article was full of false information.”
Minus the part about the staff meeting, or the presence of an official CAIR representative.
Angemon says
Tell you what, SK: why don’t you take Robert’s article, edit it to fit your “facts” and post the result here?
KrazyKafir says
No response will be forthcoming, and certainly not one that addresses Robert’s points. Leftists deal in smears, not real communication.
St. Michael Defend Us says
The principal Rutten just washes his hands of the whole situation, because it is a STUDENT event run by the students. Whose job is it to teach and supervise the students? Who is running the place- the students?
Where are the students degrees, qualifications, licenses to teach, or even adult life experiences to be able to know what is right, wrong, legal, illegal, or just plain unwise?
If the parents wanted their children to be taught by their fellow students, why bother to send them to school at all? Why not just send them down to the local mall or other hang-out?
What a cop-out on the part of Rutten. I guess letting the students run the school makes his job a lot easier.
Jae M says
Excellent response Robert! You got right to the point. I am stunned that this school would allow this and call them to (in the spirit of fair representation) to have a Jewish day and a Christian day that features speakers from both religions on the persecution they suffer and have suffered due to intolerance in specific Countries that are listed to have killed, crucified, burned, and destroyed or do not allow Churches and Synagogs to be built.
michelle says
Wow! Where to start!!??
1) Did it appear to anyone else that the student reply seemed to come more from another source? Maybe like…..an adult?
2) GREAT reply from Robert ! I will save this one myself!! The comments on this entry are also outstanding and worth marking.
3) I’m insulted, no response came my way!! 😉
Jet Benn says
To put it simply, the hijab in Islam is a sign of subordination of the female under the male, modesty would be only a secondary issue. There is absolutely no place in America for celebration of this type of twisted logic. The yameluke argument is a witty comeback, but that cultural contrivance is a not current and active method of subordination of one class under another. To think that a group would encourage Hijab Day as a way to illustrate the intolerance and discrimination of OTHERS is strange, given that the hijab itself is an Islamic discrimination of females.So the ‘smears’ are actually anti-discrimination, and the student’s claim of ‘hate’ is actually anti-anti-discrimination.
Otis Murrell says
To those islam apologists for the wearing of the hijab I offer the following information for your edification. If islamists are capable of doing such things to other islamists, how safe do you think you are if they ever become more dominant? Would you let your daughter marry a muslim?
“Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29
A number of acid attacks against women in Iran in recent months have raised fears among some that the victims were singled out because they were not wearing veils that sufficiently covered them
Conservatives have denounced the style of dress that they call “bad hijab” – a thin veil and form fitting clothing instead of the traditional loose, full body covering, according to the report. The law of the Islamic Republic put in place in 1979 calls for women to wear loose clothing and a hijab that covers both the head and neck.
“Men have authority over women, for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient … and those you fear may be rebellious, admonish them to their couches, and beat them”. (The Koran, Women, verse 38)
Tell the faithful women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their scarf to cover their bosom
Quran, 24:31
Australia’s most senior Islamic cleric described women without head scarves as “uncovered meat” inviting sexual attack.
For an ardent Muslim man, an unveiled woman is no different from a naked woman. According to Islam the appearance of unveiled women in public is an attack on the very pillars of Islamic morality. The need for women to veil themselves from strangers is explicit in the Koran (Sura 24, verse 31). Hijab symbolizes women’s inferior position in Islam and their sexual segregation.
According to Islamic law, the legal age for a girl to wed is nine – an obvious case of sexual abuse and rape. In the last twenty years Islamic countries have witnessed an unprecedented increase in misogyny and barbarism – the blessings of Islam?
2015.01.29 (Mehtarlam, Afghanistan) – Sixteen mourners at a funeral are shredded by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2015.01.26 (Barwanah, Iraq) – Shiite militias pull seventy-two Sunnis from their homes and execute them.
Barack Obama says
People of the United States, Natomas Pacific Pathways Prep (NP3) is an extremely diverse and intellectual school. They allow any Religion to have a day or a club in their school, if a student of that Religion comes forth and asks. They do not Discriminate against anyone’s Religion belief, sexual orientation, ect. They accept everyone. “We the people,” we’re all humans, its time to start treating each other like ones.
Michelle Obama says
Barack – You’re sleeping on the couch tonight. If you say anything else stupid, I’m going to force you to wear a hijab at the next SOTU.
particolor says
He’s still not as good as our Prime Minister, Who just Knighted the Duke of Edinburgh on Australia Day ??
TheBuffster says
Particolor – Why did he do that, anyway?
Champ says
LOL!! 😀
Bezelel says
This youtube pretty much addresses your whole comment.
TheBuffster says
Barack, I’m glad to know that the school is extremely diverse and intellectual.
I would be interested to know what kind of presentation the Muslim student gave about Islamophobia. How did she define it? Did she differentiate between “Islamophobia” and legitimate criticism of Islamic doctrine? Did she delve into the parts of the Koran and the life of Mohammad that could worry non-Muslims? Did she have an explanation as to why non-Muslims needn’t be concerned – why Islam does not pose a real danger to non-Muslims, or if it does, how do the non-dangerous Muslims deal with those parts of the sacred texts of Islam that are harsh and even deadly to those who refuse to accept the religion or to submit to the rule of Islam? How do those Muslims write off those awful parts or interpret them away? What is the theological argument supporting the live-and-let-live Muslims’ point of view?
I’ve been trying to find that out for a long time, but as yet haven’t gotten very convincing answers from anyone. I *do* believe that many Muslims are not interested in Islamic supremacism and just want to live and let live, but is this because they just aren’t very religious, or haven’t read all of their texts, or … I have too many questions and not enough time. But if your school is what I think of as extremely intellectual, I take that to mean that no question is off limits, and that the students’ usual practice is to dig and dig until they reach bottom, fearlessly and without concern for political correctness.
I would expect also, that anyone asking “politically incorrect” questions would be allowed to have their say in an atmosphere of civility (which I admit does not always prevail here, or on the Internet in general).
Part of being extremely intellectual is to dig for information, as deep as you can go, and to ask uncomfortable, “politically incorrect” questions without getting shouted down. I think most of us regulars on this website are so used to hearing about the kind of anti-intellectual, political correctness that shuts down dissenting views, so used to having our side shouted down, even by alleged “intellectuals” who should know better, that we’ve come to expect this treatment – especially whenever so-called “Islamophobia” is the issue.
So I’m curious about what kind of questions were asked, if any, at the presentation, and how they were answered. The subject of “Islamophobia” is complex and deserves to be examined from all sides, with intelligent, informed challenges to the presenter’s statements. If the “Hijab Day” event was handled in a truly probing, honest, and well-rounded way, seeking the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then I’d be delighted to know it.
Barack Obama says
TheBuffster, Thank you for your response.
“I would be interested to know what kind of presentation the Muslim student gave about Islamophobia. How did she define it? Did she differentiate between “Islamophobia” and legitimate criticism of Islamic doctrine?”
All Seniors shall present their Senior projects in the months of April and May, the students goal is as you asked when the student presents in front of our board of teachers and staff members. The student decided to run a ” Hijab day” that about only 20%-ish of the Females in Highscool Decided to wear one, Knowing that the hijab is not just for “beauty” or how Americans made it to be, but knowing the true meaning behind it.
” Did she delve into the parts of the Koran and the life of Mohammad that could worry non-Muslims? Did she have an explanation as to why non-Muslims needn’t be concerned – why Islam does not pose a real danger to non-Muslims, or if it does, how do the non-dangerous Muslims deal with those parts of the sacred texts of Islam that are harsh and even deadly to those who refuse to accept the religion or to submit to the rule of Islam? How do those Muslims write off those awful parts or interpret them away? What is the theological argument supporting the live-and-let-live Muslims’ point of view?”
As of many Religions, some people cherry pick the parts in their ” Holy Books” into what they like or believe in. Many Americanized Muslims or whatever you want or what people call them here, they choose ( i don’t know how to put it ) ” the good parts. ” Also to answer your question again, the student shall teach the wrongs and rights of the ” Holy book” the student chose when He/She presents. He/She goals when they present this project is to bring the awareness of whats really happening and why people dislike Muslims in America. ( or “Islamophobia” which is a word He/She created or got from another source )
” But if your school is what I think of as extremely intellectual, I take that to mean that no question is off limits, and that the students’ usual practice is to dig and dig until they reach bottom, fearlessly and without concern for political correctness.”
Yes the students here aren’t afraid to ask any questions they are curious about. ” Political correctness” has many definitions but we allow them to believe in any Political view they want, even though people may think its wrong or right. To me though, you can never say another person is “Political Incorrect” or not, because history has showed us that us humans have many opinions that do not agree very well with each other. ( i hope that was a kind enough talk about “political incorrect,” as i’m trying to be kind and let you know what you asked Sir/ma’am )
“Part of being extremely intellectual is to dig for information, as deep as you can go, and to ask uncomfortable, “politically incorrect” questions without getting shouted down. I think most of us regulars on this website are so used to hearing about the kind of anti-intellectual, political correctness that shuts down dissenting views, so used to having our side shouted down, even by alleged “intellectuals” who should know better, that we’ve come to expect this treatment – especially whenever so-called “Islamophobia” is the issue.”
You’re right, but these are teenagers that aren’t two sided minded or whatever you use to describe that, and they love to shut people down that aren’t on their side. Adults do it as well but in a better manner. Sorry, but what you stated is correct and i have nothing to back it up or help you with.
“So I’m curious about what kind of questions were asked, if any, at the presentation, and how they were answered. The subject of “Islamophobia” is complex and deserves to be examined from all sides, with intelligent, informed challenges to the presenter’s statements. If the “Hijab Day” event was handled in a truly probing, honest, and well-rounded way, seeking the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then I’d be delighted to know it.”
They shall be asked when all students present in April/May.
I hoped i answered all of your questions TheBuffster,
Wholeheartedly,
Barack Obama
Angemon says
You know, it seems many of these so-called “NP3 students”, “former students” or “community members” have no idea about what the hijab day was about. Why else would they be saying that it was to raise awareness of islamophobia and discrimination against women who wear it when the people behind it said it was meant to “show our community that the hijab is freedom, not oppression”?
Brian Hoff says
Here is than new clip from Fox new which Robert Spencer will not like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0qRYtblWM&feature=youtu.be.
Angemon says
Brian Hoff posted:
“Here is than new clip from Fox new which Robert Spencer will not like”
Huh, Brian/”defenderofislam”? That’s the same video linked to in Robert’s article.
Brian Hoff says
Fox New 40 have than video on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV0qRYtblWM&feature=youtu.be.
Angemon says
Once again, Brian/”defenderifislam”, there’s a link to that video in Robert’s article.
beyondculturewars says
My favorite hijab rant comes from Bill Warner……https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEcEYtWYB0
The hijab is a symbol of the political dominance of Sharia Law. To wear a hijab is to consent to the subjection of womanhood under Sharia Law. and to consent to the dominance of Sharia Law over natural law.
Do not discard your legal status under the Constitution and your birthright from natural law by wearing a hijab.
Amdrew says
That’s pretty Ironic, given that Mother Teresa & Mary Magdalene both wore coverings lol
HERACLES says
ROBERT I WISH TO SEND YOU AN INTERESTING DHIMMI PHOTO. HOW CAN I SEND IT YOU?
TheBuffster says
So, what happened to the long thread under the first article about “Hijab Day”? The one with all the high school kids posting in it. There was a post I wanted to go back to and answer more clearly, and all the posts but one are gone. 🙁
simpleton says
Today is Hijab Day at NP3 High School, a public charter school in Sacramento, California
You have to scroll down to bottom of thread and then you will find “newer comments” and “older comments” to click on.
A bit of practice and some sense of where those posts are on the continuum of the whole thread sort of helps.
Bye the way, I appreciate the style and though in your comments that you put up. Thank you.
simpleton says
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/today-is-hijab-day-at-np3-high-school-a-public-charter-school-in-sacramento-california/comment-page-2#comment-1189699
Today is Hijab Day at NP3 High School, a public charter school in Sacramento, California
Sorry I forgot to include link though you may not need it.
Looking forward to more of your comments. thankyou.
simpleton says
style and thought.
sorry long busy day so not on top of everything
TheBuffster says
Thank you for the tip, Simpleton. I had been looking for such a link, but somehow my tired eyes skidded right past it!
And thanks very much for your appreciation.
Dr John says
Well done Robert. A really excellent intellegent response.
ZOOP ZONDEKI says
In email 2 (Tom Rutten forwarding the initiator’s email), she – initiator of the email claims that she invited “a speaker” to “talk to faculty”.
I wonder why she doesn’t say who was the speaker.
This is on par with the muzzies’ attempts to foist religion (in this case successfully) into the public space.
As others say, imagine what the reaction would have been had the schools allowed a similar event based on jewish or christian faith.
Katha says
I can certainly assure everyone here that Tyler is an actual student at NP3 and I know that because he is my very smart ex boyfriend. And I confirm to all of you he has an open heart for others and all new and different things and I would even go so far to say that all of you just don’t have an open mind and aren’t willing to understand others, their religion and worse of all the culture they are living in.
As a former exchangestudent I was at np3 last year for a year and it was the greatest time in my life.
The way that Mr. Rutten supports his students is amazing and we are all welcome to share our cultures with each other.
It’s not only hijab day! We had a wonderful culture day were everyone was able to share their culture.
What Mr Rutteb does to get his students to try to understand each other should be adored not cursed! It’s a shame what all of you people do here.
And what the student who organized did was exactly what Tyler said: she’s doing this for her senior project and she would never force anything on anyone! She’s a very sweet and kind girl and in contrair to all of you she’s always willing to learn about new things and share the things she knows.
I must say at this point I’m very disapointed that Americans, whom I concider to be open for everything and fight for freedom, could be so harsh against a girl that is only doing the right thing!