Kidnapping infidels and releasing them for ransom or enslaving them, as well as killing them if that option is deemed most advantageous for the Muslims, is fully sanctioned in Islamic law: “As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, ‘When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [their] necks’ (Qur’an sura 47, verse 4)” — Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah (The Laws of Islamic Governance), trans. by Dr. Asadullah Yate, (London), Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd., 1996, p. 192.
“Charlie Hebdo manhunt: Jewish bakery hit in new shooting and hostage siege in Paris suburb of Vincennes,” by Umberto Bacchi, International Business Times, January 9, 2015:
A fresh shooting incident and hostage situation has been reported, as separately, an intense standoff is ongoing between police and the two gunmen suspected of carrying out the massacre at satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, on Tuesday.
The gunman, believed to be the same man who killed a policewoman in Montrouge, southern Paris, yesterday has reportedly stormed a kosher bakery and grocery store in the Vincennes area, taking five people hostage.
Witnesses said the man is heavily armed and opened fire upon entering the premises. Early reports suggest at least one person was injured in the shooting.
Security forces have rushed to the scene and are cordoning off the area.
The hostages are said to include women and children. Vincennes is located on the eastern outskirts of Paris.
Earlier local media named the Montrouge gunman as Amedy C., a 32-year-old radical belonging to the same jihadi cell of Said and Cherif Kouachi, the brothers who allegedly responsible for the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
The two brohters [sic] are currently holed up inside an industrial building in Dammartin-en-Goële and are holding one person hostage.
The Vincennes hostage-taker has reportedly demanded police lift the siege on the brothers.
“You know who I am and I’m going to keep these hostages until the siege in Dammartin is lifted,” he was quoted as saying by the BBC….
Angemon says
The siege in Dammartin will be lifted when the criminals are captured or dead. And chances are the police will conduct raids in both scenes simultaneously.
Salah says
“The siege in Dammartin will be lifted when the criminals are captured or dead.”
If they are captured, more hostage taking will take place asking for their release (remember the IDF soldier kidnapping, it forced Israel to release 1000 terrorists.)
These murderers must be shot dead on the spot.
Beagle says
They are running the Muhamad playbook page by page and the so-called experts are scatching their heads or saying this “incomprehensible violence” has nothing to do with Islam.
Thanks to Robert Spencer and the JW writers for being voices of reason in an increasingly irrational and delusional world for a dozen years now.
umbra says
These terrorists are controlling both situations in Paris and the industrial building. They are there to maximise disruption by prolonging their standoff – making life difficult for everyone else within their vicinity.
Georg says
Time for FN and LePen. 5,000 potential terrorists are being monitored in a game of existential whack-a-mole. In Britain more Muslims join IS than their army- and on top of it all they do is complain about the inhospitability of the place they’ve chosen to seek asylum. I really think everyone’s had it. As Pat Condell said, “You’ve killed the goose that laid the golden egg.” Nobody feels sorry for you all. You are a burden to us. We have children to worry about and a soil we earned through utterly massive sacrifice you all contributed not a bit to. The tide will come in.
pongidae rex says
The problem is not Islam. Islam has not changed in over 1600 years and is unchangeable. The problem is a generation of Western politicians consumed with hubris and magical thinking about a political fad called multiculturalism. They have thrown open the gates of our civilization to parasitic barbarians in the name of a political movement that has no basis in any historical or scientific fact.
Salah says
“The problem is not Islam. Islam has not changed in over 1600 years and is unchangeable.”
Exactly. Islam is an enemy and it’s doing what any enemy is supposed to do: defeat us.
The real problem is not the enemy, it’s those who are preventing us from fighting against, and defeating the enemy, any enemy.
Georg says
Absolutely. We are in war. Although, the word “war” is problematic because it recalls WWII, aircraft carriers, even horses. The battlefield is new, and so is the pace and asymmetry of the attack. People will have to, and are, coming to understand. The politicians who reflexively minimize these actions and refuse to acknowledge the contributing factors (ie a reckless immigration unpolicy, radical mosques, and the siege of foreign funding from fundamentalists, etc) are just as dangerous as the attackers themselves in their symbiosis.
Words are cheap, we need policy. If the politicians don’t respect our opinions and enact legislation to ensure our safety- our children’s safety- they will have to go. When BBC has Tariq Ramadan on explaining why it is Muslims who are the victims in this and the West who must do more– we have found ourselves in great danger.
SpiritOf1683 says
Exactly. The BBC is a politically-correct organisation which sides with, and makes up excuses for our enemies. They call terrorists things like ‘militants’, ‘fighters’, ‘activists’ etc, and whenever the Israelis or the West itself acts in self-defence, the narrative becomes “How many innocent civilians?” or ‘”How many women and children?”. If their aim was to break the morale of those acting in self-defence, it wouldn’t look any differnt from their current behaviour. Inviting trash like Tariq Ramadan, who hates the West and should be stripped of his citizenship and sent packing to Syria, to explain why Muslims are victims is no different from inviting Rudolf Hess in 1943 to explain why Nazis are victims. Had that happened, Churchill would have gone ballistic and accused the BBC of treachery, and people would have gathered outside Alexandra Palace waving pitchforks. The BBC is a poisonous organisation and is living off a past reputation which last applied 50 years ago, and should be seen as such.
Matthieu Baudin says
Hello Pongidae Rex. Multiculturalism is only one branch of the political culture that you have described; the broader political philosophy is Postmodernism which formed from the writings of the French intellectuals (ex communists) Michel Foucault and Jacque Derrida. Your absolutely right that they have clouded the minds of the leadership of our modern civilization and hence placed us all in great peril.
Rebecca says
pray for those women and children!
we live in such a crazy world.
what sickens me is how we KNOW they want to perpetuate terror attacks, they have PUBLICLY announced it, yet we STILL allow ppl who trained in syria, al quida to ROAM our streets.
how naive an we be?
and now innocent civilians have to suffer b/c their government failed to take the necessary steps to protect them.
Undaunted says
As previously noted; anyone taken hostage by Muslims needs to know up front that the old negotiation paradigm went out the window some time back. Odds are the HT (hostage takers) are going to go out in a blaze of “glory” and the hostages are neither bargaining chips nor collateral damage but currency with which HT intend to buy their way into “paradise”.
So, the best thing to do if you’re taken hostage is to try to escape right away. In the early stages, the situation is not under the full control of the HT, there is a bit of disorganization and confusion, so that will probably be your best chance.
If you can’t get away, remember these things and do your best…
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/04/hostage-situati.html
Danigher says
…if only they knew there is nothing past death
David says
BBC World Service is reporting at least 2 & as many as 5 people have already been killed in this shop. Horrible.
thomas pellow says
“TWO DEAD IN NEW PARIS SIEGE:”
Gunman takes six hostages including woman and four children in kosher grocery – and police fear it is the SAME killer who killed policewoman yesterday.
“Two people have been killed and up to six others thought to have been taken hostage in eastern Paris.
“The suspected gunman has been named as Amedy Coulibaly, who is suspected of killing policewoman yesterday.
“Armed police have swarmed over the area in the eastern Paris suburb of Porte de Vincennes.
“Authorities say he screamed ‘you know who I am’ when he stormed the kosher bakery, taking up to six hostages.
“It comes two days after Cherif and Said Kouachi massacred 12 people at the satirical magazine offices in Paris.
“The two brothers today took a hostage near an airport in northern France, where they remain surrounded by police.
“Coulibaly has threatened to kill the hostages should police attempt to storm the brothers, it has been claimed.”
By COREY CHARLTON and PETER ALLEN and JAY AKBAR and TOM WYKE and FIDELMA COOK
FOR MAILONLINE
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903380/Another-gunman-takes-hostage-kosher-grocery-Paris-police-fear-gunman-shot-dead-policewoman-yesterday.html#ixzz3OL5n5Jdd
squeezethejuice says
Yo infidels, I know you will probably just swear at me after the latest events, but here is my 4 Dirhams on the whole story:
1. Clearly the French authorities are WEAKLINGS if they cannot stop three ppl who claim to be Muslims. What if there were 100 of them? Would they surrender their country then? This is due to that not only do the French reject the evolved, firm-but-not-terrorist interpretation of Islam, but they also reject the 2nd best alternative, i.e. Christianity, in favor of so-called secularism, i.e. godlessness.
2. The terrorists are hurting the image of Islam and of the Prophet (PBUH) a LOT MORE than those few obscene cartoons. I do get some of those in the mail from the infidels from time to time, but when I respond with cartoons of the Holocaust they don’t usually bother me any more. Much easier solution and more civilized than killing them. At least it is good that at least the Algerian brothers are making the distinction between offensive journalists and French Police on the one side and civilians on the other. I think at least it is a bit of a progress from the indiscriminate killing like ISIS does in their parts, although it is still something to be condemned.
3. The ISIS rtards who support these ppl are NOT in any way shape or form the successors of the Caliphate. You know why? Because the Caliph, before the abolishment by Ataturk, was also Kayser-i-Rum (Caesar of Rome). Any kind of new Caliphate must be a successor of the Roman Empire and blend Islamic civilization with Roman and Greek civilizations in order to be successful as a civilization. I think Aya Sofya must be the symbol of the old as well as any new Caliphate that is not the sad joke that ISIS is.
4. Take a look at the offensive cartoons and tell me that they weren’t designed only to offend. While I don’t agree with Spencer at least I have to concede that he actually has real arguments that are worthy of at least minimum consideration. The cartoonists have paid with their lives for what? Gutter jokes? Also, it was stupid of them to create those offensive cartoons and not keep some weapons to defend themselves just in case. I know I would be armed to the teeth to defend myself and my family from the Mossad if I drew cartoons about the Holocaust.
Angemon says
squeezethejuice posted:
“I think Aya Sofya must be the symbol of the old as well as any new Caliphate that is not the sad joke that ISIS is.”
Squeezethejiuce (squeeze the jews) is probably a turk, that would explain to why he’s yearning a caliphate in Constantinople. What he fails to tell us is that there were other caliphates, who were more successful than the turkish caliphate – where were the turks and the turkish caliphate during the so-called “golden age of islam”?
“I know I would be armed to the teeth to defend myself and my family from the Mossad if I drew cartoons about the Holocaust.”
If the Mossad or Israel acted like squeezethejuice implies, “palestine” and turkey would have been razed to the ground. Exactly how many people were killed by Mossad for drawing cartoons about the Holocaust? I’m guessing zero. But anti-semitism and hatred of jews are a core principle of islam – ,uslims need a common enemy in order to prevent them from killing one another.
Andrew GB says
Excellent response. I remember reading somewhere if the Palestinians put down their wepons there would be peace. If the Israelis put their guns down there would be slaughter.
Islam is a pirate cult worse than the mafia. The mafia kill their own, these cowardly creatures kill indiscriminately.
Mohammed is a hateful figure for ridicule. A misogynist, pedophile and a false prophet of hate. Whats not to like! If he was as worthy of any adulation surely his followers would turn the other cheek?
The Holocaust, a tragedy beyond belief and understanding by decent human beings. Which is why cretinous morans like muslims and nazis could even contemplate disrespecting its memory.
Just for the absence of doubt, Mohammed is a goat shagging bisexual pedophile with psychopathic tendencies who was (irony of ironies) killed by a Jewess!!! LMAO
Know Thy Enemy says
The cartoonists have paid with their lives not because they drew cartoons, but because the French do NOT have a culture of protecting those who express with the pen what they want to express!
The same is true here in the US, if that makes you feel better. Remember the guy who got punished because he made a movie offensive to Islam? NO American protected him! Not the media, not politicians, and neither any group of ordinary Americans!!
In a society where people do not protect each others’ right to Free Speech, people pay for practicing speech, sometimes with their lives! That is how it works in this world.
Gardener says
Some of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons about Muhammad were undoubtedly “gutter jokes”, but to pretend the cartoonists were targeted because of those specific drawings is false. Even if they had never published the most toilet-humor-ish drawings, they would still have been targeted for drawing any kind of Muhammad cartoons at all. It doesn’t matter whether the joke was subtle and sophisticated or base and schoolboyish.
SpiritOf1683 says
Oi, brickhead, Islam is a blood-soaked death cult, and people are starting to learn about it the hard way. They don’t want your sort in their cou ntries. They’re fed up of the barbarity, brutality, intolerance, misogyny and bloodlust of the inhuman barbarians your death cult produces in profusion. Islam is from the devil, and devil worship is less offensive than Islam.
gp says
751 “No Go Zones” in France. W T and a whole lot of F! Where Frenchmen, Infidels, White Devils, and other non-muslims are not welcome.
That is why France is burning-They do not come to the West with the intention to assimilate, they come to take away your peace, liberty, freedom, and rights. They come to conquer and subdue and turn the land into part of their wretched hive-ruled by intolerance, sharia law, and submission. An abomination of desolation.