“I never thought I would see the day when members of the Jewish community in the United Kingdom would say they were fearful of remaining here in the United Kingdom.” The hopelessly confused Ms. May doesn’t seem to realize that the Jews without whom Britain would not be Britain are fearful of remaining there because of the Muslims without whom Britain would not be Britain.
Also, a very good case can be made that “without its Jews Britain would not be Britain,” as there is a very long history of Jews in Britain. It is mostly an unhappy history, and those ugly times are returning, but it is undeniable that Jews have contributed to what makes Britain Britain. But “without its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain”? Really? Theresa May must therefore think that Britain wasn’t Britain until the last few decades, when Britain for the first time in its history began to have a significant Muslim presence.
Theresa May is a disgrace. Then again, so is the rest of the Cameron government, and its opposition. Britain is racing to ruin, courtesy of Theresa May and her ilk.
“Theresa May says ‘without its Jews Britain would not be Britain,'” by Ben Tufft, The Independent, January 18, 2015:
Theresa May has said that greater efforts must be made to combat anti-Semitism and “without its Jews, Britain would not be Britain”.
The Home Secretary asserted that the country would not be the same without people of different faiths, while she was speaking at an event in London to commemorate the victims of the Paris attacks.
Mrs May praised the contribution Jewish people make to the UK and said that the unity displayed in the French capital and around the world, with people repeating “Je suis Charlie” was “tremendous”.
But she said she was troubled at the threats now faced by Jewish people. “I never thought I would see the day when members of the Jewish community in the United Kingdom would say they were fearful of remaining here in the United Kingdom.”
Commenting on the French prime minister Manuel Valls’ statement: “If 100,000 Jews leave, France will no longer be French, the French Republic will be judged a failure,” Mrs May said: “It is a sentiment I well understand, one that holds true for Britain.
“Without its Jews, Britain would not be Britain, just as without its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain – without its Sikhs, Hindus, Christians and people of other faiths, Britain would not be Britain,” she added.
KrazyKafir says
Yeah, Britain wouldn’t be the sh*thole it’s quickly turning into.
Alissa says
This woman is truly nauseating. Is she married to a muslim or just stupid?
cs says
Just stupid, perhaps she owns a lot of money to a muzzie though, who knows.
Fr. Basil` says
For centuries there were no Jews in the British Isles as various kings had expelled them. They were not allowed to return until the time of Oliver Cromwell.
There was also a time when there were no mahometans in Britain.
Finally, there was a time when there were no Christians in Britain.
But all this time, there was STILL Britannia!
Ren says
One more dimmi… all that I can say.
tamimisledus says
Close but no cigar!
It is Adam Osborne, brother of UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, who is married to a muslim.- http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/144549/George-Osborne-s-brother-converts-to-Islam. This is why D. Cameron was able to “divorce” muslim Sayeed Warsi, formerly “UK minister of faith” (!) – http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/baroness-warsi-was-over-promoted-incapable-and-incompetent/
No doubt, D. Cameron has also been helped by the presence of muslim Sajid Javid whom he promoted into the UK cabinet.
Not forgetting muslim, Aaqil Ahmed, appointed the BBC Head of Religion and Ethics (!) now in charge of using the BBC as the primary UK propaganda machine for spreading misinformation about the true nature of the evil doctrine of islam..
Alissa says
Amazing how a small minority can wield so much power over a (formerly?) great nation.
Demonic!
albert says
Mmmm I wonder why there has suddenly been an upsurge in anti Semitism, I wonder who could be responsible.
Mrs May let’s start a campaign an I stand with Israel campaign.
I STAND WITH ISRAEL.
Jack Holan says
Really! Strong, violent Anti-Semitism existed long, long before that, in fact King Richard III was the fIrst poster boy. Read about it some time. He had a different Final Solution. So, Israel’s defense over missiles being fired indiscriminately into her cities would not create Anti-Semitism unless it weren’t there already. So, Albert I guess you prefer the pre-State Jew to be quite and take it.
John spielman says
I think you ‘re wrong about Albert’s post above. He stands WITH Israel as do I. The rising antisematism is fueled by western govt pandering to Islam and creeping sharia law. PM Cameron is a hypocrite as is Ms May. They pay lip service to freedom of speech and then turn around and ban criticism of muhammed pbuh*
muhammed pbuh* – perpetual banishment unto hell
Jack Holan says
My apologies for my misread of the comment. Also, it was Edward I who expelled them in 1290.
Thanks
Wellington says
Just a specific correction to your post, Jack Holan. Long before Richard III and any anti-Semitism he might have harbored, Edward I banished all Jews from England. To the great credit of Oliver Cromwell, whom I admire very much though I would not raise a toast to him in an Irish or Scottish pub for reasons of rank self-preservation, he reversed this decision by Longshanks and allowed Jews back into England. This is why Sigmund Freud named one of his sons Oliver out of respect for what the Lord Protector had done.
cs says
Yes, in an agreement with dutch Israel Menasseh.
Mirren10 says
”To the great credit of Oliver Cromwell, whom I admire very much …”
Wellington, you know how much I respect your posts, and your formidable intelligence, but I have to say, I am very much exercised in my mind, as to exactly **why** you would admire Cromwell. Please explain !
Angemon says
Well, it certainly wouldn’t be the multicultural paradise of muslim child-grooming rape gangs…
John spielman says
Ms May is confused because HER Britain is just another”crapistan”while the Britain of old, of Winston Churchill, IS Britain.
Mirren10 says
”Ms May is confused because HER Britain is just another”crapistan”’ … ”
It is not yet another crapistan, and if I, and millions like me, have anything to do with it, it never will be.
cs says
Well, that is very racist and islamophobe to say the truth mind you. Muzzies have been consistently been doing this contribution to Britain and T. May is applauding.Now how much more suicidal can you be.
umbra says
Certainly without islam, Britannia could truly be great again.
Boston Tea Party says
I can’t say it better than Mark Steyn. I cannot recommend this video highly enough:
Wellington says
Thanks for that link, BTP. Watched the entire eight miniutes. Delightful. Steyn was brilliant and funny in his decimation of the fraud which is multiculturalism.
profitsbeard says
Like saying that without termites a house isn’t really a house.
cs says
Yes, yes, and yes.
katnis says
Do I understand correctly? Did our British friends sign up to be part of a melting pot that included car bombers, machetes in the streets, beheadings, senseless murders, sharia law, a lack of freedom of expression, or walking around in public covered from head to toe? What about supporting people year after year who hate you, yet want to collect benefits without contributing or assimilating?
Does Ms. May live in a neighborhood where she has to step out of her door every day wondering what her unemployed neighbor is actually doing all day? Or if her children are safe at school? Of if she can go to temple or mass in safety?
I love forward to comments from British citizens.
Keith says
In answer to your first question the answer is not at the moment but the government are working very hard to implement it.
Your second question we are doing pretty well on that one, but it could be improved so they are importing as many immigrants as they can that hate the UK.
Ms May will never have to worry about any of the questions in your last paragraph, until Sharia is fully implemented of course, as a senior member of government she will always be able to have police protection. I believe that even after she is no longer in parliament, being a senior cabinet minister, she may very well be entitled to police protection if required.
Keith says
Sorry I forgot one thing in the spirit of multiculturalism an the British government fully support the application by Turkey to become a member of the EU. This of course will make it easier to implement all of the above.
cs says
Edorgan is so cute.
cs says
It was posted as an exaggerated prank, but there is more to it than one would really expect it. We are heading towards sharia merrily, and if we complain we are islamophobic racists.
Neil Jennison says
It is rather alarming that someone who may be a future PM could come out with this shite.
Obviously if she were to tell the truth and say ” Islam as a religion and culture is, in its mainstream form, incompatible with our laws and freedoms so we should never have allowed mass Muslim immigration”….she would be crucified by her political opponents.
Such is power of PC in UK politics. This is the great coup the left has pulled off…..moving the Conservative party to the social left……it moved to the economic left years ago (except for the 11 Thatcher years.)
I will add, for clarity, that of course not all who identify themselves as Muslims in the UK are at odds with our society. But a lot are, BECAUSE that is what their religion teaches. It may not mandate warfare against the unbelievers, but it certainly allows it.
WAKE UP!
tamimisledus says
All muslims believe that islam is the perfect system, and that all should submit to islam (which, for the benefit of those who don’t know it, means submission). Ergo all muslims are at odds with our society, doing everything within their power, dependent on the individual muslim, to replace our society with the primitive society that is at the heart of islam.
Mirren10 says
Neil Jenison said:
”I will add, for clarity, that of course not all who identify themselves as Muslims in the UK are at odds with our society.”
The problem with this so rational and tolerant caveat, is it is not borne out by the facts, or indeed, the tenets of islam.
The last Pew research poll, that I know of, indicated that **47%** of ‘British’ mohammedans supported sharia, and wanted to see it implemented in the UK. Now. if one considers that is only the percentage of muslims who actually replied, and doesn’t include the muslims who either refused to say, or simply declined to comment, that is still a very **large** percentage.
Further, if there really is a large group of muslims who are not inimical to the values of a free society, then I have to ask, why are they not out on the streets, demonstrating in their **thousands** against, for example, the murder of Lee Rigby, the Charlie Hebdo massacres, the 7/7 carnage ? The only time they protest in any significant numbers, is when they want to whine and moan about ‘islamophobia’, or ‘backlash’.
This doesn’t suggest to me that there are significant numbers of muslims who uphold Western values.
Further again, the fact that there are muslims who **don’t** carry out violent jihad attacks, is no testament to them not being inimical to Western values.
muslims as a whole, believe that a paedophile, vicious and violent murderer, rapist and torturer, one mohammed, is a prophet, and the founder of their faith. I will guarantee, that not one single so called ‘moderate’ muslim, will ever come out and say they **despise** the character and values of their ‘prophet’. If these people advocate such standards, how can they *not* be inimical to everything we believe in ?
The koran is a repulsive screed, full of hatred towards Christians and Jews, and **all** unbelievers. ‘Moderate’ muslims, as well as overt jihadists, venerate this disgusting crap. They pray on it, they think about it, it is their raison d’etre. They believe it is the word of ‘allah’, and is for all time.
Violent jihad is not the only way to advance islam, until it is the only religion in the world. And this is what **all** muslims sign up to – the advancement of islam, until ‘all the world is for allah’. Stealth jihad, lawfare jihad. are two ways of advancing islam which don’t involve actual physical violence.
Because there is a certain percentage of muslims who *say* they believe in Western values, it would be monumentally stupid to believe them. They might not be prepared to bomb and kill us in order to bring about the hegemony of islam, but they will sit back quite happily, whilst others do it for them.
Any group of people, who refuse to reject the vile character of the founder of their religion, who refuse to reject the violence and hatred of the koran, are my enemies.
If you actually know any muslims, who purport to be in favour of Western values, here’s a litmus test. Ask them about mohammed. Ask them why they venerate a man who married a six year old girl, and raped her when she was nine.
Further, talk to them with a koran in hand. Every time they try to say that those verses (of hatred, mysoginy, anti-Semitism) are taken out of context, blah, blah, blah, point out to them **they** are actually being heretical, since the koran is the word of ‘allah’ for all time, and has no mistakes, misinterpretations etc, in it.
I promise you the answers, or lack of them, will be *extremely* illuminating.
gravenimage says
Excellent post, Mirren. Another related point is this: even among the Muslims in the West who don’t openly seek the imposition of Shari’ah, how many would *actually do anything to prevent it*?
From their common silence, I would imagine very few if any.
Jack Holan says
I’m sure this Home Secretary has no true sense of Jewish history in Great Britain over the past 1000 years. The fact we were once expelled from England or that Anti-Semitism in the Lower East End and the higher echelons of Cambridge prior to and during WWII existed and expressed itself. All that said, the day could very well come that the Jews of both France and England consider the safety of living in either country is unacceptable. I’m not sure if Mrs May is paying lip service and doesn’t believe it however it has occurred before, there is a history.
Know Thy Enemy says
“UK Home Secretary: “Without its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain””
She apparently forgot to add “….. as it (Britain) currently is!”
Bob Spinster says
“Theresa May is a disgrace. Then again, so is the rest of the Cameron government,” WAIT a minute! Just earlier today you were saying nice things about Cameron. You are so effing childish it boggles the mind. You and Geller are the worst spokespeople for The Cause that we could possibly have. Whine whine whine. ME ME ME ME ME. Bitch bitch bitch. SNARK SNARK. CRYBABY bobby.
Mirren10 says
”Theresa May is a disgrace. Then again, so is the rest of the Cameron government,” WAIT a minute! Just earlier today you were saying nice things about Cameron.”
Actually, very few people were saying anything nice about camoron. Most people were, in fact, aware that camoron is a wily politician, who will say anything in order to be re-elected.
”You are so effing childish it boggles the mind. You and Geller are the worst spokespeople for The Cause that we could possibly have. Whine whine whine. ME ME ME ME ME. Bitch bitch bitch. SNARK SNARK. CRYBABY bobby.”
Does it ever occur to you to compare your posts with those of others here ?
No, I’m sure it doesn’t.
gravenimage says
Bob Spinster wrote:
You are so effing childish it boggles the mind. You and Geller are the worst spokespeople for The Cause that we could possibly have. Whine whine whine. ME ME ME ME ME. Bitch bitch bitch. SNARK SNARK. CRYBABY bobby.
………………………….
Of course—how could opposing attacks on Jews, bombings, organized rape of underaged girls, beheadings, and creeping Shari’ah in Britain—along with the banning of those who dare speak out about such Muslim atrocities—be anything other than “childish”?
So much better—as consistent apologist for evil Bob Spinster would have it—to just quietly roll over for this Muslim supremacism.
mortimer says
Theresa May is obviously telling falsehoods and it is delusional to think that the British electorate will not punish the Conservatives for uttering such wishful thinking, if not outright, shameful deceit. The ruling Conservatives obviously think these falsehoods are politically necessary, but they betray those who feel rightly that the British people were never asked whether they wanted their country turned into a version of Berzerkistan with the attendant misogyny, reverse discrimination, supremacism, honor killings and endless death threats.
Peggy says
Without it’s Muslims, Britain would be a much better place to live.
cs says
As I said to my father, multiculturalism is great, Islam is the odd on the show. No problems with sikhs, hindus, western caribeans etc…
PJG says
H’mm. I think there is a problem with any immigration from different cultures if the immigration rate is too high. It depends on whether or not you feel people are entitled to live according to their culture, to cherish commonly shared history, institutions and so on, and have the space to do it. We were all dismayed to see Tibetans become a minority in their own country, remember? The Communist role 50 or 60 years ago aside, most of the subsequent immigrants into Tibet have been quite decent Chinese people, and yet…and yet…
cs says
England was very exciting the only thing holding back was the fu**in nickab, hijab, really.
Undaunted says
But she also said the UK could experience a Paris-style (Muslims shooting up the town) terror attack “at any time”.
So conflicted… so stupid.
PJG says
Without Muslim violence Britain would not be Britain.
vlparker says
Ah, the progressive brain in action. It would really be hilarious to watch if the consequences weren’t so dire.
somehistory says
One could ask: Just what made Britain, Britain? Obviously it isn’t the *Britain* it used to be when it was a source of *common law* and the British people seemed, not only proud to be British, but proud of their government.
The world is about to erupt in flames. People should be aware of why.
(Revelation 13;17;19;21; Matthew 24)
mortimer says
What made Britain, well the Muzzies didn’t make Britain.
What exactly does May think is the best part of Islam? Is it: 1) grooming gangs 2) supremacism 3) misogyny 4) death threats 5) apartheid 6) no-go zones 7) multiple marriage welfare cheats 8) 30% of all genetic defects in UK 9) parallel society
Pick more than one if you wish.
PJG says
What is the best part of Islam in Britain?
Perhaps Saudi money, from outside Britain?
Ross says
Just as in the U.S., British politicians are tripping over their own bullshit. They are slowly but surely exposing themselves and I hope they will all pay the price. I guess they think we are all as ignorant as the Mohamma Monkeys they are covering for.
Just as George Bush has hundreds of acres of land in Uraguay, on top of one of the biggest aquifers in the world, the others have places to retreat to when the shit hits the fan. For those who go underground, I hope all of the excavators in their area will bury their doors and vents.
Arthur says
Exactly. Another politician who believes leadership means appealing to whomever she is speaking. Narcissistic Personality Disorder shining through.
Without Churchill Britain would be German. Britain banned Churchill.
Bezelel says
Maybe she would be happier living in pakistan.
umbra says
She would be if she was from parts of redbridge or newham. She could also feel at home on brick lane (multi-culturally “Asian”).
Matthieu Baudin says
‘Britain’ has always been a pretty fluid concept, as the exotic Isle of Albion has always been a mix of different cultural groupings. Therefore May’s statement is pretty meaningless and a substitute for policy that’s urgently needed to downsize the Jihad terror. No other ethnic/religious groups are linked to the current violence and social blackmail, a fact that can’t be disguised by recourse to wishy washy appeals to inclusiveness. A line has to be drawn as to what constitutes reasonable religious discourse and behaviour in a modern civilization and this is the responsibility of representative government.
Louise from Canada says
Mr. Spencer, what is happening to the world?? I should say to ALL of those who lead our countries? Why are they all seem to love islam and their followers? Are they blind, are they stupid =not intelligent : having or showing a lack of ability to learn and understand things( Merriam Webster)????? Something is going on. Again I say it because it’s unreal and it seems like a nightmare. Who will be the winner at the end? It’s scary!
somehistory says
If you have a Bible, read Revelation 13. It might make it easier to understand.
Know Thy Enemy says
@Louise from Canada
The reason why politicians in democracies love Islam is because of how easy it is to get Muslim votes (and there are lots of them). The pols are not stupid. They know that in a democracy, numbers alone dictate whether they come to power or not. They also know that every citizen’s vote carries an equal value in a democracy; It does not matter whether the citizen is wealthy or poor, whether s/he is illiterate or has a doctorate, or whether s/he is God-incarnate or an inbred retard- the vote of every single one of them has equal effect on whether they (politicians) get to come to power or not.
In Islam mullahs dictate everything! (Well… mullahs and other Muslim leaders who happen to be friends with mullahs.) It is the mullahs who tell Muslims who to vote for, and the Muslims obey accordingly! There is a term for this but I am not sure exactly what it is called (voting in bloc??)
And the politicians are full aware of this system among Muslims. They are not stupid. They know that all they have to do is to become friends with a mullah and convince him, and they will have hundreds of votes at their feet right there!
Combine this with the fact that Muslims tend to have lots of children and sooner or later those children become of voting-age. Just imagine how many votes a mullah can get for the politician simply by commanding the head of family to vote for a certain candidate! Make that thousands of votes for the smart politician.
……. And that is why they love Islam so much. Note: Not all politicians are like this, but most are!
Having said that, in the long run all these politicians will lose. They will lose because as Islam becomes more powerful, their own children too will end up being subservient to Sharia. But as many have pointed out, the elites seem to live in the delusion that they are somehow safe from the problems that affect the ordinary people. Even the Kenyan Westgate Mall attack, where it was mostly elites who suffered, has failed to snap them out of their delusions.
So are the politicians stupid? YES they are! When they win elections thanks to Muslim votes, they think they are so smart but it is all an illusion. It is going to cost their future generations dear!
Peggy says
Yes, our grandchildren will have to spill their blood to rid themselves of this Cancer.
They will curse us daily and I agree that they should.
tamimisledus says
It seems that May’s toadying up to the muslms may have been in vain – https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/muslim-leaders-compared-the-uk-government-to-the-far-right-after-it-asked-muslim-leaders-to-root-out-the-men-of-hate/
Jack Holan says
PM Harper seems to be the only one who sees things for what they are and calling it out.
Renee says
Without muslims, Britain would not be what Britain is …. today!
Richie says
without Muslims, Britain would be GREAT Britain again
James Patterson says
Robert, please read and spread the following, with your usual insightful comments.
Morroccan Ambassador says EU has not done enough to integrate foreigners (read “Muslims”)
i.e. Europeans need to literally give the Muslims their houses, wives, property, etc. then they will be happy.
http://www.agi.it/en/italy/news/moroccan_ambassador_says_eu_has_failed_on_integration-201501162121-epp-rt10226
PJG says
The meaning is horrrifyingly clear; Europe no longer belongs to Europeans, and must give all of itself to whoever WE see fit to occupy it..
gravenimage says
UK Home Secretary: “Without its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain”
…………………………
My God, what crap. If she means a dangerous, violent, increasingly broke hell-hole, then she’s right—otherwise, not so much…
Just as the original song helped Britain make it through the Blitz, this should help with the transition to a Shari’ah state:
There’ll always be an Al-Britani
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
[this is Haram! There will be no alcohol in Islamized England, and no mixing of the sexes! The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice هيئة الأمر بالمعروف و النهي عن المنكر will remove these blasphemous lyrics!]
May this fair dear Dunya we love so well
In dhimmitude and oppression dwell.
Though worlds may change and go awry
While there is still one voice allowed to cry
There’ll always be an Al-Britani
While there’s an ugly Mosque,
Wherever there’s a Madrassa
Beside a stoning ground
There’ll always be an Al-Britaini
While there’s a busy slave market,
Wherever there’s a violent Muslim mob,
A million marching feet.
The Shahada on a field of black; what does it mean to you?
Surely you’re proud, shout it aloud,
“Muslims, awake!”
The Ummah too, we can depend on you.
No Freedom remains. These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There’ll always be an Al-Britani,
And Al-Britani won’t be free
If England means as little to you
As England means to me.
(apologies to “There’ll Always Be an England”)
Mirren10 says
Graven, that was brilliant, and absolutely **sick making** in its veracity.
There won’t always be an England, unless the British stand up in their millions, and **fight** for it. Lan Astaslem !
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mirren—of course, I intended this to be nauseating.
I *do* believe that good Britons will eventually fight for Britain, and do so in great numbers—just as they did against the Nazis.
Sam says
You can not save a sick person from commiting suicide as he will do it one way or the other. It goes for the same for nations. Let England be Muslim as it is now.
pumbar says
What a ridiculous, stupid cow. Let’s hope that come May, May will be May not. Vote UKIP.
Peggy says
I hope that people turn away from Labor and LIberals. They have the Muslim vote but if they didn’t have other votes they would not get elected. Muslims can’t vote ten times.
So, I wish that the Brits voting for these beasts and start voting for parties dedicated to eliminating them.
What is it going to take to get sheep to wake up?
Mirren10 says
”Muslims can’t vote ten times.”
No ?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100153760/tower-hamlets-electoral-fraud-heres-some-more-evidence/
tamimisledus says
Is that the UKIP where muslims are integrated at all levels within the party. If so, no thanks. I don’t want to contribute to my own destruction, even if you are prepared to contribute to your own.
pumbar says
The one that seeks to tighten immigration and get us out of the EU, yes.
Edward Cline says
Britain can do without Muslims. It might even return to being the Britain of Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher. But to quote Churchill in public now about the curse of Islam is now an instance of “hate speech.” Theresa May is a knock-off of Germany’s Angela Merkel, who’d rather declare war on her non-Muslim citizens than let them have their say and vent their fears and concerns about the Muslim takeover of Germany. Merkel, like May, doesn’t have to live “on the street” with the average citizen and put up with Muslim abuse. They’re both isolated and insulated from the electorate.
Jack Holan says
Ms May most definitely is connected with her position since I’d be hard pressed to believe she earned it on merit. All this behind us,I would have loved to have seen the expression on her face had someone in the the audience had the gonads to ask her to comment on Winston Churchill’s opinion of Islam. I do believe she would have lost her lunch right there in front of everyone.
Salah says
Some of us may think that May (and most Western leaders) are stupid. I don’t.
This is not stupidity, this is high treason.
These PC traitors must be removed, face justice and, if found guilty, executed.
Smart Guy says
Back in 1976 I was working in England and it was the Tories or conservatives who brought in the Moslems in order to break the trade unions. Labor people who opposed the immigrant invasion were labeled as “Racists” If you oppose the destruction of civilization by the Conservative Party you will be classified as a “Racist” Workers of the world is a delusional piece of nonsense. If workers such as Moslems do not give up their religious opium, they will not practice solidarity with other workers who are not religious. The problem is with the cowardly left who will not classify Moslems as scabs. All people who put religion before the struggle of the working class are scabs and therefore traitors to the working class. The British Labor party is a traitor to the working class because it supports muti-cultural-ism. Marxism does not support multiculturalism because it means supporting religion. Multiculturalism is the invention of big business to destroy the struggle of the working class.
DaffersD says
I think you are a very confused person.
In 1976 it was the Labour party in power, they were in power from 1974 to 1979, it was them that really opened the floodgates. The man in charge was Wilson who resigned in 1976 and Callaghan took over, the government was also a coalition with the Liberals.
The Tories came to power in 1979 under Maggie Thatcher, sadly they did not close it because they wanted free movement of people, but were thinking of skilled workers and were blind to the issue. Then in 1997 when Blair got in he opened them very very wide, because they wanted people to vote for them and immigrants on welfare were a sure bet.
Multiculturalism is a tool created by one world socialists in the main to destroy the nation state,
The current Tory party are not Conservatives…
John Smith says
It seems our pinko “Smart Guy” is not all that smart.
The Frankfurt school is behind multiculturalism and it was based on Marxist teachings. Islam might as well be communism, because it is another form of collectivism with all this Ummah nonsense.
Mirren10 says
”I think you are a very confused person.”
I think that’s damning with faint praise !
‘Smart guy’ doesn’t comment very often, but when he does, his comments are ludicrous in their utter lack of reason, and are chock full of various conspiracy theories.
This is the moron who opined that Peter Pan’s statue in Kensington Gardens had goat’s feet, and was an example of the ‘illuminati’ (?) or it might have been the trade unions, or something or other, taking over the world. The poor thing is totally out to lunch ! 🙂
gravenimage says
Good comments from DaffersD, John Smith, and Mirren.
Wellington says
I second that, gravenimage.
Boston Tea Party says
Marxists largely abandoned orthodoxy after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and transferred their hatred of the West to multiculturalism and “anti-fascism”. Discussed in detail here:
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=2695
voegelinian says
Front Page Mag has a lot of gall analyzing the problem of Marxism mutating into multiculturalism, after their unconscionable smears and attacks on Diana West (which, preposterously and outrageously, included treating (among others) the great historian M. Stanton Evans, and the eminent Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky, as virtual personae non gratae).
j says
Marxists abandoned all of their ideals as soon as they got elite privileges. Look at ANY so-called Communist party today and it they are, as they always have been, rife with corruption.
pumbar says
This has to be a wind up, surely??
Jenny says
The Asians entered our country in the 70’s when they were kicked out of Uganda. Nothing to do with the Unions. The government at the time was nothing to do with the failure of the Unions who were quite capable of bringing their own demise without any outside help.
duh_swami says
She’s the UK’s Nancy Pelosi…Every bungling government needs at least one.
I bet Mz May doesn’t know that Allah created her stupid, but we do…
PRCS says
I’d bet that they communicate with each other. Psychically, at least.
Wellington says
On point comparison, duh_swami. Just helps to demonstrate that the fairer sex can produce as many fools as our gender can, whether in Britain, the US, Germany or wherever. In the final analysis, gender, ethnicity and race, a trinity that the Left keeps bringing up for many purposes, virtually all of which are illegitimate, is of no importance. What matters are things like character, knowledge, real toughness and a built-in crap detector that has been kept fine tuned through life.
So many don’t get this. Most who don’t in the West are on the left side of the political spectrum, tending to demonstrate another truth and that is that the modern Western Left has lost its collective mind. Trouble is that the modern Western Right, which sees things far more clearly than does the modern Western Left, has lost its collective guts. Mitt Romney’s pathetic 2012 campaign for POTUS against the fool in the Oval Office demonstrates this failing quite well.
Ah, loss of mind or loss of guts does not bode well for Western Civilization. The Islamic world is aware of this. Big time. Indeed, it’s counting on a continuation of this slow but inexorable Western suicide, courtesy of both Western Left and Right, though for the different reasons I already mentioned.
A very belated Happy New Year to you, duh_swami. Always good to read your posts, especially because so many of them are suffused with humor, which helps (a la Casablanca) take the sting out of being occupied, this time, in our era, by Western fools and Muslims rather than Nazis,.
Lee Poteet says
If we truly want the West and Western civilization to survive we must begin to assert its superiority, but to do that you have to know and believe in it. The educational ‘elite’ has made sure that the true accomplishments of Western civilization are not known by most students so that they will be willing to accept the modern, socialist (and anti-white racist) stupidities, the relativist morality destructive of the best of human good and think white black and black white. If you didn’t get taught it in school and most weren’t we must learn it for ourselves by reading.
Wellington says
As someone who taught a Western Civilization course for some thirty years at the college level, I heartily agree with what you wrote, Lee. I am now retired and the college where I was a teacher has done away with the Western Civilizaton course I taught (even though students circulated a petition to keep it) and, in fact, has removed any history requirement at all. I strongly counseled against all this. I lost.
Education is now largely in the hands of fools who use all kinds of fancy phrases like “transformative connecitons,” “epistemological inquiries,” “skill versus content” and “learning by doing.” It’s all crap. Students learn nothing. Memorization of anything is considered unimportant (Google, for example, “Harvard students don’t even know the capital of Canada”). Any chronological framework and overarching narrative are gone. Politically correct ideas are forced down the throats of students and multicultural mumbo-jumbo is practically ubiquitous. Of course, America and all the West are denigrated and inferior cultures are taught as worthy of great respect. In short, total destruction of any true learning has occurred. Most folks still don’t know what a complete waste of time and money a college education in the liberal arts and humanities has become. Tragic.
Lee Poteet says
Wellington, your thoughtful and intelligent reply has truly made my day. When I was a Freshman at university I talked to the head of the history department about the possible goal of a life of teaching history at the college or university level. He told me outright that colleges never hired ‘conservatives’ so I shouldn’t waste my time. I spent a few years as a finance officer at a junior college and discovered the liberal nut cases running it were more interested in indoctrination and political correctness than education. I, too, am now retired, but a two years ago I went to a wine dinner at the local university town and ended up seated across from the chief assistant to the president. Some silly issue came up and I spoke my mind forthrightly about it only to have him immediately begin addressing me as “Doctor” and asking where my office was on campus and in what department was I teaching. I was more than amused.
You, Sir, are truly someone that I would like to know, truly worthy of knowing and having as a friend. I will certainly be looking for you comments from now on. And thank you for the kindness of your words.
gravenimage says
Very true, Welllington. Many young people in the West know *nothing* about their own history, and have not been taught to take any pride in it.
Champ says
I agree, Lee …Wellington is a great guy, and his contributions to JW are invaluable!
DaffersD says
Britain without Muslims would be the Britain that I know and loved, the current cowardly mess is not Britain and insults the memories of all those that died in world war II.
This woman is an imbecile…
dumbledoresarmy says
Exactly.
All British jihadwatchers could write to her and tell her that, straight to her face.
If there were NO Muslims in Britain, Britain would be…Britain again.
Mirren10 says
I’ve just written to her pointing out that the reason Jews are leaving Britain is not because of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Wiccans, or *any* other faith, but islam.
That this is because islam mandates hatred of Jews, and I supplied her with the relevant texts from the koran and hadith. That the rise in anti-Semitism in Britain is caused by the rise in mohammedan immigration, and mohammedans who hate Jews.
But I won’t be holding my breath for a reply.
Adam says
britain without English, welsh,scotish & irish would not be a Great britain …
what muslims gives to this country….terrorism, racistism, & fucked up people mentally from all failed muslim countries, Unfaithful to britain,
for advice on terrorism……. choose a muslim
for a chat with lunatic ……. choose a muslim
for Guidance on Paedophilia … choose a muslim
for tips on beheading ……….. choose a muslim
for an explanation on delusion …… choose a muslim
for how to lie ………… choose a muslim
for anything else use logic, facts, and intelligence
fuck mohamad PISS be upon him…
EX-muslim
PRCS says
So, tell us if you were born into a Muslim family or if you reverted, and why you left.
gravenimage says
Adam, glad to hear you are an *ex* Muslim. I would also be interested in hearing more of your story.
katnis says
+1 on hearing your story!
cs says
Include, to play the victim…
Oliver says
I guess Britain without Muslims would have a few less good curry restaurants. The UK recently applied to the EU to have the ‘Birmingham Balti’ listed as an official traditional speciality.
DP111 says
Fewer Muslim restaraunts means less Halal butchery.
Oliver says
True, and I was kind of damning with faint praise, to say that was the main thing I could think of
john in cheshire says
Just because you like someone’s cooking doesn’t mean they have to live with you.
Porkistan says
There’s nothing a muslim can cook that a Hindu can’t cook better (and without raping your children).
voegelinian says
But sadly for the asymptotic Counter-Jihad Softies, it would mean fewer “Muslims” who are Muslims in name only. Nice people, (who cooked great curries i might add – fantastic Shami Kebabs! (For more on this, see here and scroll down).
gravenimage says
There are plenty of Hindus and Sikhs who run great curry restaurants, so even this small point is not a serious consideration.
voegelinian says
— and Muslims” who are Muslims in name only. Nice people, (who cooked great curries i might add – fantastic Shami Kebabs! (see above)
gravenimage says
I get the reference, Voeg. As you well know, this is *not* anything I have said myself—although your posting your comment in reply to my post makes it appear that I have.
ECAW says
If Theresa May never thought she would see the day when members of the Jewish community in the United Kingdom would say they were fearful of remaining here in the United Kingdom then it shows she just never thought.
What should anyone expect after importing millions of people who are instructed to hate and despise Jews? There is an eery absence of any mention of Islamic teachings in the whole debate about Islam in Britain. Strange, because the answers all lie there. Probably Theresa May thinks it’s all about land and “Palestinians” as the media and Muslims want her to.
Nevertheless, after recent events in France and coming events in Britain, about which of course May will have more information than the rest of us, it may be that we have reached the “Oh shit!” moment. Although they continue to whistle in the dark in public perhaps our leaders privately say to each other “Oh shit, what have we done?”
cs says
Not only about Jews, first comes Saturday then comes Sunday. First comes the Shabbos then comes the Mass. First the Synagogues then the Churches. First the Jews then the Christians.
pumbar says
OT
Hollywood celebrities caught on hidden camera accepting money from “Middle Eastern oil interests”
voegelinian says
I doubt that the Glitterati would be concerned (or, for that matter, to feel the slightest need) to hide their various lucrative relationships with the dubious Dubais of the Muslim world.
Paula Boddington says
Yesterday I emailed Theresa May asking her how her anti-Semitism drive planned to deal with the many verses in Islamic texts, and the passages in Islamic prayers, which make derogatory comments about the Jews, and what she thought about the effects of the constant repetition of such ideas. I’ll let you guys know what she says in reply.
dumbledoresarmy says
don’t just email.
Send her a signed letter, on paper, in an envelope with a stamp. Preferably registered post. Saying what you said in the email.
Reinforcement, and all that.
Mirren10 says
”Reinforcement, and all that.”
Yes. I always e-mail first, not because I think people like may read their own emails, but because whoever deals with them, might be given to think
Then I follow up with a proper letter, on the same basis.
No doubt I’m on some hit list, but I don’t care.
Laura says
Without our Muslims Britain would be England again.
Clifford Hall says
Oh dear…a remark which says that ‘Britain’ has always been a haven for different political and religious perspectives – which is true – brings out the beast. Where did Marx live for nearly 40 years? Please don’t talk about the war. Our people died for FREEDOM, precisely that kind of freedom.
The problem with Britain has not been Moslems, Jews, Sikhs, or West Indians, Pakistanis or anyone else. The problem since the ’50’s has been the scale of immigration. To say that, as Enoch found out, was until recently heresy.
Oliver says
True, but (and, not meaning to tar all Muslims with the same brush) you don’t tend to hear of any problems involving Hindus or Sikhs, say, as a group.
gravenimage says
Clifford Hall wrote:
The problem with Britain has not been Moslems…
…………………….
I’m not sure the victims of the London Tube bombings or beheadings in the streets of London would agree.
It is not just the scale of immigration—Hindus, Sikhs, and third-world Christians aren’t committing “Honor Killings” or running rings dedicated to raping native English girls.
It’s not just the scale of immigration, but a question of who the immigrants are. That so many of them are Muslim is the problem.
voegelinian says
“The problem with Britain has not been Moslems, Jews, Sikhs, or West Indians, Pakistanis or anyone else. The problem since the ’50’s has been the scale of immigration. ”
Two separate problems — which ironically only the PC MCs and the conspiracy theorists who oppose PC MC insist on confusing so they can exploit for their diverging ideological ends the incoherent mush that results from that (con)fusion.
voegelinian says
Of course, when I wrote of “the PC MCs and the conspiracy theorists who oppose PC MC” I was referring to two mirror-image opposite extremes, both of which are racists — the former reverse racists, the latter straight up racists.
The PC MCs confuse the general non-Western immigration phenomenon (and also for good measure throw in the “what about how you evil Anglo-Saxon Americans discriminated against the Irish and Italian immigrants in previous waves of immigration” canard) with the phenomenon of Muslim immigration into the West, and in their reverse-racist race-baiting game, accuse the entire Counter-Jihad of being racist xenophobes — against Muslims because they are Brown People.
Meanwhile, the conspiracy theorist opponents of PC MC are in fact racists who generally oppose non-Western non-white immigration (and usually see this as some kind of grand plot by nefarious “Marxists” to destroy the West — hence it is the “real” problem of which the problem of Islam is a distracting subset).
Note bene for sophomores: when I refer to “conspiracy theorist opponents of PC MC” I am of course not meaning to imply that opponents of PC MC are all conspiracy theorist (which would be an unfair leap of interpetration of my locution to make, which only someone obtuse or seething with hatred — or (as with Phillip Jihadski) a sloppy amalgam of both — would indulge in); I am only referring to those who happen to be conspiracy theorist (and, alas, there are some).
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Meanwhile, the conspiracy theorist opponents of PC MC are in fact racists who generally oppose non-Western non-white immigration”
Would you side with them if it meant pushing your meme?
“Note bene for sophomores: when I refer to “conspiracy theorist opponents of PC MC” I am of course not meaning to imply that opponents of PC MC are all conspiracy theorist (which would be an unfair leap of interpetration of my locution to make, which only someone obtuse or seething with hatred — or (as with Phillip Jihadski) a sloppy amalgam of both — would indulge in); I am only referring to those who happen to be conspiracy theorist (and, alas, there are some).”
Note bene, sophomores: the correct reaction to criticism or different ideas is not “You’re obtuse. You hate me”. Unless, of course, you’re majoring in “leftist-fascist character assassination”.
Clifford Hall says
Laura
When last was “Britain” “England”?
Charli Main says
Islam is a virulent and rapidly metastasising cancer in the body of Britain and every Muslim a malignant cell in the tumour.
Lord Wrath says
When Winston Churchill died,,, the sun set for the last time on the British Empire… Whoever those people are that run things over there,,, they certainly are not British!!!
RICHTHOFEN says
May is just another appeasing, capitulating Quisling. Without muslims, Britain would be what it used to be – a wonderful place to live – wealthy as well – with muslims, it is hell on earth! Get rid of muslims and the EUSSR and Britain would be Great again!
David says
Here is a prime example of why Islam is a disgrace to humanity, & has no place in modern society, Malaysian authorities are looking to arrest a couple of Malaysian girls for hugging a few of their K Pop idols on stage, seems it is an insult to Islam. What do all the Muslim apologists have to say about this?
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bangkokpost.com%2Fnews%2Fasia%2F456838%2Fmalaysian-girls-face-jail-for-k-pop-hugs&ei=yM-8VOjhA4a7mQWA84HQBQ&usg=AFQjCNEdQB7zaVAqANIC4roMnlF22Ezo9A&sig2=CYcZJHu8aItLWz75bdOQWg
thomas pellow says
Cameron-May’s message to Muslims:-
‘ Vote for us on General Election: we are turning Britiain into Britainistan as fast as we can,
via mass immigration, Sharia-compliant legislation, and restrictions on opponents of Islamization.’
ed says
7/7 London bombings = Glasgow airport car jihad attack =airline plot = lee rigby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kessler says
Long time lurker, but finally have to vent my frustration.
The notion that Britain would fall apart without Muslims goes hand in hand with the outright lie indoctrinating people that Islam is a religion of peace.
Yesterday there was a news story on BBC about the increased terror threat, and they randomly decided to include an interview with a young school child (sounded around 10) who parroted the lie: “I feel sorry for all religions because they are often abused”. First of all, the decision on BBC to include this out of context comment sums of the apologetic strategy applied by the media. Secondly, it is disturbing to hear children mimic the leftist/Muslim propaganda. They have little defence as this is what they are bombarded with in school from compromised teachers.
And that brings me to the point; the fact that all schools – bar none – in the West is indoctrinating children to think Islam is inherently peaceful, that there is no link between Jihad and Islam, that Christianity and other religions are equally susceptible to extremism, that Western crusaders and poverty are the culprits for extremism (good old grievances argument) and that Israel and everyone supporting them are fascists set out to destroy Palestine and possibly Islam – does this not worry you? Our generation (I’m 38) is arguably the last one containing people who are not brainwashed by political correctness and indoctrination – the campaign to excuse Islam is gaining traction with every terrorist attack and our children are the victims. Even though there are signs of a slight enlightenment in the wake of the Hebdo massacre, I’m afraid it will lose momentum and those who came out of the dark by questioning the Islamic theological link to “extremism” will eventually cave into the relentless smear and defamation campaign. As it happens time after time. I feel it’s my duty to keep spreading the truth to colleagues, friends and foes – at every opportunity. Because I know what will happen if nobody stands up. And I’m sure most of you here agree. But is it enough considering we have an entire generation of brainwashed youngsters who will fight against the truth? Have any of you ever met a kid in their late teens who doesn’t consider the truth “racist” and “islamophobic”?
I am dreading the future but will keep on fighting along with Robert, Pamela and the rest of the counter-jihadists. At least I’ve done what I could.
voegelinian says
I agree more or less with your bleak assessment and forebodings; but we must continue the fight in the battle space of the war of ideas. What choice do we have?
One silver lining, however (among a preciously meager handful), is that with the relatively quite recent advent of the Internet, the battle space for this war of ideas (which currently remains the most important theater of the war which our enemy joined against us long ago but about which, we note with bitter, black amusement, our side remains blithely, obtusely unaware) has been amazingly amplified, with hopeful prospects for a growing advantage (albeit growing still at an excruciatingly glacial snail’s-pace) in the near future.
gravenimage says
Welcome, Kessler.
Paul says
I make no distinction between our crappy government and the
likes of Anjem Choudary. They both wish to see exactly the
same kind of society, only Anjem Choudary tells the truth
and doesn’t pretend to stand for tolerance and free speech etc.
The government’s pretence that they stand for anything other
than the rapid Islamisation of Britain is an insult to everyone’s
intelligence, that’s how arrogant they are.
voegelinian says
That implies an unacceptably Breivikian perspective.
Paul says
Don’t compare me with that psychopath. Now is the time
for taking sides, and the government, the media and the
(sharia) law system have made it perfectly clear whose side
they’re on. We’ll see more and more bloodshed, and with it
increasing suppression of the truth and of those who are in
favour of it – I could give countless examples of this already.
It doesn’t matter if it’s stupidity, cowardice, corruption or
agreement. The result is the same. Some would call this hate
speech, but it doesn’t rain just because the weatherman predicted
it, I’m just an observer.
voegelinian says
The internal enemy is neither monolithic nor, with extremist exceptions aside, consciously evil and inimical. Our situation of a civil war a-brewing is complicated by the fact that most who enable the Mohammedan enemy are doing so out of sincerely starry-eyed motives, in a psycho-cultural framework of a dominantly fashionable worldview that is not all bad, but is actually mostly good. But by all means, demonize simplistically away.
Paul says
Your latest reply to me below completely misses the
point and stops just short of an ad hominem attack
upon me. Like or hate my comments, at least I manage
to get to the point.
Jia says
and that is the problem, we don’t want this Britain, they have taken the Great out of it, I live here I know
thomas pellow says
‘Telegraph’ (£)-
“Government tells mosques: force out the preachers of hate”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11354089/Government-tells-Mosques-force-out-the-preachers-of-hate.html
But-
“Muslim leaders accuse ministers of being like ‘far right.’
“Ministers say they are ‘disappointed’ after the Muslim Council of Britain hits out over government letter telling every mosque to help root out ‘men of hate.’”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11354439/Muslim-leaders-accuse-ministers-of-being-like-far-right.html
DiMu says
One thing is clear – the Western political elite share one thing in common – mind-numbing fear of Islam – except for Obama who thinks Islam is the best ideology on the face of the earth.
Helen Oster says
I left Britain for Israel in 2006, with my family. If we hadn’t left then, there is no doubt in my mind that we’d be doing it now. Who needs to live in a place where you have to pay for security guards around your kids’ schools and places of worship? who wants to see the tombstones of their dear departed vandalized? Who wants to live in a country where to say “I’m a Jew” is as likely as not to cause people to view you with hatred?
But it isn’t new. In September 1968 my Mum dropped me off at a new primary school. As soon as she’d left, the class teacher called me to the front and told the class: “This is Helen Solomons, and she’s a Jew”.
The following 3 years I was bullied relentlessly on a daily basis. Every playtime, Dena and Edith would follow me around the playground, arms linked, calling “Jewish snob, Jewish snob….”
I was always the last picked for team games and had no friends, not one. Thank fully, the general mindset of the native British public has mostly moved on.
Scroll on 37 years, to the London bombings, July 7th. My husband discovered he actually travelled on the same Northern Line train into London as the bombers…….who were Muslim.
How many terror attacks have there been worldwide perpetuated by Jews? And how many by Muslims?
Sydney, Milan, New York, Bali, Paris……………….the list goes on and on and on.
When will the Uk government realise that without Muslims, Britain WILL be Britain; it will be a safer Britain. A Britain that is ALLOWED to be multi-cultural. A Britain where Christians, as well as Jews, Hindus and others can practice their faith openly, without fear.
I will return to the UK when the time comes to bury my parents. But apart from that? Not a chance.
Mirren10 says
”In September 1968 my Mum dropped me off at a new primary school. As soon as she’d left, the class teacher called me to the front and told the class: “This is Helen Solomons, and she’s a Jew”.
I concur with Mr Jihadski. The ‘teacher’ who did that was not only no teacher, but a deeply nasty and vicious person.
I’m so sorry you should have been subjected to such nastiness, not only on the part of the teacher, who must shoulder 100% of the blame, but also the spiteful and vicious little gits who made your primary school years miserable.
all I can say is, if *I* had been your teacher, it would never have happened.
Am Yisrael Chai !
Mirren10 says
And before some wretched mohammedan, leftard, or mohammedan apologist weighs in with, oh, what about some mohammedan kid in a hijab, I certainly would *not* condone naming the poor child in such a way.
I would, instead, do all I could to point such a child in the way of Western values. And any little gits who bullied such a child, would feel my ire.
voegelinian says
“I would, instead, do all I could to point such a child [a Mohammedan child] in the way of Western values. And any little gits who bullied such a child, would feel my ire.”
Interesting glimpse, and spasm. And we wonder why the West remains so entrenched in its myopia.
Mirren10 says
”Interesting glimpse, … ”
Interesting glimpse, of *what* ? Compassion for a child ?
‘spasm’ – what am I supposed to be spasming about ?
” And we wonder why the West remains so entrenched in its myopia.”
If, in your estimation, having 20/20 vision, requires victimising a *child*, in the sort of environment Helen was talking about, then I agree with Mr Jihadski, you *are* disgusting.
Are you seriously telling me, voegelinian, that if you were a teacher, in such a scenario, you would deliberately humiliate a child in such a way, and allow him/her to become the target of bullies ? I am all for calling out **adult** mohammedans on their foul tenets, but a child is the prisoner of its parents, and home environment. To victimise a child in such a way, goes beyond the pale.
The way to deal with such a child, is, as I described above, to lead them towards Western, civilised influences.
voegelinian says
Notice that Mirren is trying to turn the tables on me, when it was she who said she would in a similar situation go out of her way to try to help Mohammedan children assimilate, and to go out of her way punish children in her charge for teasing a Mohammedan child. All I did was note that her instincts and reflexes going above and beyond the call of duty there provide a glimpse into the PC MC anxiety to be sensitive to Mohammedans, an anxiety which should not exist in the Counter-Jihad, but which explains, by the very fact that it rears its head so often in the Counter-Jihad, of just how insidiously influential PC MC. Instead of fantasizing about how she would be sensitive to Mohammedan children, she should redirect all her thoughts and feelings to the goal of expelling all Mohammedans from our lands. Her speculative scenario only tends to reinforce a kind of fait accompli that we will “have to live with them” forevermore (but of course, in the terms of lawyer-like sophistry adverting to the precisely ostensible purport of all the words of her locution, she can claim plausible deniability; meanwhile ignoring the forest for the trees). Good God, one would have thought Charlie Hebdo would have been enough to make these Softies snap out of their asymptotic sniffles.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Notice that Mirren is trying to turn the tables on me, when it was she who said she would in a similar situation go out of her way to try to help Mohammedan children assimilate, and to go out of her way punish children in her charge for teasing a Mohammedan child.”
That’s not exactly what she said, was it? She said that she wouldn’t have done what Helen Oster’s teacher did (singling her out by her religion) and she added she wouldn’t act any differently if faced with a mohammedan child. She also said that she’d try to help the child assimilate and that bullies who bullied a child because of his/her religion would feel her wrath. But you, on your typical leftist-fascist character assassination fashion, twisted Mirren’s words into “anyone who messes with a muslim will have to deal with me”. That says more about you and your character than it says about Mirren’s.
Voegelinian, are you suggesting that a teacher should turn a blind eye to bullying if he doesn’t like the ethnicity or religion of the bullied?
“ All I did was note that her instincts and reflexes going above and beyond the call of duty there provide a glimpse into the PC MC anxiety to be sensitive to Mohammedans”
No, you, in a typically leftist-fascist fashion, LIED about what Mirren said to have it fit your narrative, the same way you recently suggested lying about the numbers of fatalities from muslim terror attacks.
The only trace of PC in Mirren’s post was that she had to go out of her way to say she wouldn’t treat a muslim child differently because of his/her religion as to avoid having islamic apologists saying she’d let a muslim child be bullied because of his/her religion, and voeg saw fit to transform it into the poster-picture of his narrative.
“she should redirect all her thoughts and feelings to the goal of expelling all Mohammedans from our lands”
Hmmm, and then you wonder why some people buy into “muslims are the new Jews” narratives… Then again, you also wonder why people you insult, deride and lie about don’t come to defend you – perhaps you have a tiny bit huge comprehension problem?
Mirren10 says
”Notice that Mirren is trying to turn the tables on me, when it was she who said she would in a similar situation go out of her way to try to help Mohammedan children assimilate, and to go out of her way punish children in her charge for teasing a Mohammedan child.”
Voegelinian, this is absolute *crap*, and I think you know it.
I did not say I would ”go out of my way to try to help *mohammedan* children assimilate”, nor did I say I would ”go out of my way to punish children in my charge for punishing a *mohammedan* child”.
What I said was, that a child, *any* child, is a captive of their parents and home environment, and as a child, is totally vulnerable to whatever *adults* may say and do, and if those adults deliberately expose a child to the gibes and bullying of their peers, that adult is grossly culpable for the fear and misery that results. And a teacher has an even greater responsibility, in that a teacher is in a position of authority and responsibility, so other children will take the lead from the adult in authority.
My response would be the same, whether the child was mohammedan, Jewish, Christian, Wiccan, Buddhist, or any other faith or ethnicity.
Adults have a responsibility to protect children, not use them as a vehicle for their own political/religious feelings. I am not being ‘sensitive to mohammedans’, I am being sensitive to the vulnerabilities of a *child*, any child.
If you cannot see that, then you are blinded beyond all reason.
So, answer my question; if you were in such a position, would you deliberately expose a 6/7 year old little mohammedan to misery and humiliation, merely to underline your own distaste for their religion, ( which I fully share) or would you do your best to introduce that child into a better way of thinking ?
Angemon says
Mirren10 posted:
“What I said was, that a child, *any* child, is a captive of their parents and home environment, and as a child, is totally vulnerable to whatever *adults* may say and do, and if those adults deliberately expose a child to the gibes and bullying of their peers, that adult is grossly culpable for the fear and misery that results. And a teacher has an even greater responsibility, in that a teacher is in a position of authority and responsibility, so other children will take the lead from the adult in authority.”
Precisely Mirren. On my first 3 years after college I taught classes on a local school, which happened to be nicknamed “the trash-bin of the school district”. Most of the students there were gypsies or came from problematic neighborhoods, and the school placed much emphasis on what I called “civilization programs” – programs who were meant to teach students hat certain actions and reactions were, to say the least, frowned upon on “more civilized” environments.
Besides the usual anti-drugs sessions there was an emphasis on sessions dealing with domestic violence and abuse, precisely because those children barely left their neighborhood, had no outside notion of what was right and wrong, and considered, for example, that slapping uppity girls around was something normal. I heard girls saying “well, he only hit me once but it was because I did this, or said that”.
Champ says
Mirren10, your comments are brilliant!! And I see nothing in what you’ve stated that would cause voeg to now label you a JWSoftie. Hmm, it appears that voeg is seeing aberrations in what you’ve written–tsk, tsk!
thomas pellow says
The Islamization of Britain and Europe.
PM Netanyahu understands what Merkel-Hollande-Cameron, etc, are doing-
“Israeli PM Netanyahu warns of ‘wave of Islamisation’ sweeping across Europe”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-pm-netanyahu-warns-of-wave-of-islamisation-sweeping-across-europe-9987035.html
Nicu says
WTF ???
She speaks like all Western traitors !
No , Britain would be save and clean , again without Muslims 🙁
PleaseDoNotBombMe says
The UK is a Christian country, not Muslim or anything else. I am sick and tired of being told we have to accept people that preach hatred and kill our people. If they don’t like MY way of life, then go home!
TIARD Martine says
She speaks about those who raped the teen girls ? those who beheaded an old woman or the Lieutenant RIGBY ? those who closed a London’ suburb and create a police of Charia ??????
Britain also have their “strange” and “understandable” politics ! It’s the same thing in France and Europe !
Randy Shackleford says
Theresa the appeaser! Her capacity to spew unrelenting garbage is equal only to her ineptitude at deporting terrorists. Britain would breathe a huge collective sigh of relief following a mass exit of the muslim population. Nobody would miss them. What is there in fact to miss? The pack attacks, rape gangs, terrorism, pavement hogging, misogyny, parallel legal system, the dearth of art, happiness, community. Continual demands and chilidsh entitlement, inbreeding, strain of inbreeding on health services, black hole economy, vile breezeblock mosques- take the lot with you as you go. Theresa has this all ways upsidedown and backwards. Shame on you Theresa. Visit my town and see what has happened and you will have no choice to agree that the reality is- without muslims Britain wouldn’t be Pakistan.
avi15 says
What’s the betting that, after leaving office, Theresa May emigrates to somewhere “more conducive” than Britain?
Oliver says
I’m not really a fan of her for various reasons. And to think some people want her as the next Tory leader/potential prime minister 🙁
Joginder Singh says
I wonder if theresa may has worked out that along with the rest of the useful idiots be they on the left, the university intelligencia, the politicians, the legal system, the journos in the MSM etc once their usefulness is over and the muslims have bred or immigrated enough to take control that her head will be on the “convert,die or pay jizziya” chopping block like the rest of us
jewdog says
She’s off by three letters: out.
gordon miller says
jewdog (if that’s really your name), forgive me, but what do you mean by “out?” Sorry to be so slow today.
gravenimage says
Gordon, jewdog means that “Without its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain” should read “With its Muslims, Britain would not be Britain”.
In other words, Britain cannot be Britain with a burgeoning population of violent, oppressive, supremacist Muslims.
And of course “jewdog” is not this poster’s legal name. He, like many of Islam’s staunchest critics here, uses a pen name. I wasn’t christened “gravenimage”, either.
jewdog says
Thanks, Graven.
gravenimage says
Hi, jewdog. Always glad to read your insightful comments.
And Chris, I didn’t mean to imply that *everyone* here uses a pen name. I’m sure you—and gordon—do not.
For myself, I have drawn Muhammed cartoons and other artwork critical of Islam. And my own real name is rather distinctive, and I am somewhat well known in my field. Finding out who I am and where I live would not be difficult. I have received some threats here for my Anti-Jihad work. It might never happen, but I wouldn’t relish my husband and myself finding some pious Muslim with an ax attacking us in our home, as cartoonist Kurt Westergaard did, or trying to burn it down, as Lars Vilks did.
I have *enormous* respect for Anti-Jihadists like Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, who receive endless death threats, yet work and appear under their own names. Their bravery is both inspiring and humbling.
I consider it an individual choice for posters as to whether they comment here under their own names or not.
And keep in mind: while names like jewdog and gravenimage are certainly pen names, a username like Mike Smith, which sounds straightforward, may well be a pen name, as well.
Ric says
May is more than confused, though she is not flying solo when it comes to great placating apologists of Islam within the UK’s government and fetid leadership. They, the latter, may as well pull the plug and let their Union be sucked downwards by the vortex of political-correctness and their inability or cowardice to deem Islam for what it truly is, the enemy of Western-Democracies worldwide.
Gbox says
Moral equivalence by the clueless, yet again. Does not bode well for the UK’s future.
gordon miller says
Here we go again—— moral equivalency and political correctness rearing their ugly heads!
Let’s see, as now practiced ……..Judeo-Christian morality=Islamic morality…………Two peas in a pod. Okay, now I get it!
Lee Poteet says
After the last twenty years when the British authorities have allowed savage, racist Muslims to rape their children and have not merely tolerated the Islamic hate preachers but supported them financially in a way they deny British natives, this statement sounds totally hypocritical, false to its very core. It is almost equal to the lie of Islam itself, a lie so grand that any of dictators of the last century would have been proud to have invented it. And while Hitler did not invent it, he did aid and abet it in his attempt to achieve one of islam’s objectives.
And now are new team of socialist masters (the UK’s Conservative Party is as socialist as Labour) are doing their best to us Islam to further enslave us because the West seems to have lost faith in itself, its history and its institutions. But there is a difference between our institutions and those of Islam. Ours have worked while those of Islam have not. What sane Christian or Jew would willingly live in an Islamic country under sharia? Even the more intelligent Muslims have fled to the relative safety of the West bringing their Islamic garbage with them. It is time to up end our dhimmi governments and them, their fake elites and the Islamic friends packing. It is the only safe and sane thing to do.
Sophie S says
Sadly, that will never happen, the cancer in Europe is incurable.
Lee Poteet says
Sophie, that may be true, but I truly think not. I will put my trust in the people who have finally awoken to the threat and are beginning to act and vote. I think what happened in Paris with its follow up in Belgium has shaken the self styled elite. I think they have known the problem for a long time but have thought they could manage it to their ultimate advantage. They are not so sure any more.
gravenimage says
Sophie, would you have said that the cancer in Europe was incurable in 1938, as well, and have counseled good people there to just roll over for Fascism?
As long as there are good people in Britain and Europe—and we hear from many of them here at Jihad Watch—then there is hope if they are willing to stand up.
MR.RANDY DOUGLAS MILLER says
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Lioness says
Britain would not be Britain if it wasn’t for Jewish Chaim Weizmann, a professor at the University of Manchester and the head of British Admiralty’s Laboratories, whose invention in chemistry during the First Wold War helped the British win the war. As a reward for his invention, the Lloyd George government supported the creation of the state of Israel with the Balfour Declaration. Weizmann, of course, was one of the founding fathers of Israel, becoming its first president in 1948.
What examples Ms. May has to suggest that Muslims did anything for Britain, except turn it into an Islamic, Sharia compliant, Caliphate?
cs says
Actually waging war against Europe using all possible means.
Carlos says
I think the lady is just explaining why Britain is not so Great nowadays!
Angry says
@ Carlos
Britain lost its GREATness when the socialist left-wing Labour party gained power in 1997 (to 2010) and allowed 1000’s of middle eastern pakistani muslim immigrants and african immigrants into the country (due to the EU) with NO background checks, just as they did in the 1950’s; which Enoch Powell spelled out the dangers of mass immigration later on in the 1960’s, and he was accused as being a racist by his own Conservative so-called friends, and obviously the whole of the Labour party
Labour and the politically correct masters are responsible for turning Britain into an absolute shithole, with some help by the dhimmi Cons.
Lee Poteet says
Actually Britain lost its greatness when its response to winning WWII was to turn the government over to Labour which disdained the enterprises and spirit had allowed a “nation of shopkeepers” to defeat Napoleon and build an empire. The socialists could never keep up with what the nation needed to recover from the war and threw away what was left of the Empire.
Angry says
The top brass Conservatives (centre-right) are becoming more left-wing by the day, they’ve lost my vote and now it will go to UKIP.
muslims have contributed nothing to Britain, they only built their first mosque (The Shah Jahan Mosque) in Liverpool in 1889, centuries after Christians, Jews, Hindu’s and Sikhs built their churches, synagogues and temples. The only thing muslims have contributed to is brainwashing dhimmi’s into converting to islam.
Shame on Theresa May, she’s just another muslim arse-licker just looking for muslim votes in May’s (the month that is) general election.
Sophie S says
Fully agree. Arse licker is the word.
gordon miller says
jewdog (if that’s really your name), forgive me, but what do you mean by “out?”
Sorry to be so slow today.
David says
The title above appears differently in a newspaper as “Jews.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2915480/Without-Jews-Britain-not-Britain-warns-Theresa-fears-exodus-wake-anti-Semitic-attacks.html
gravenimage says
Read the whole article. First Theresa May says that “Britain would not be Britain” without Jews; then, absurdly, she also says the same thing about Muslims, who are menacing and driving out British Jews.
voegelinian says
In the eyes of the Western PC MC Mainstream, Muslims have become the New Jews (so it’s thoughtful of Mz. May to at least give lip service to letting Jews ride on the coattails of the New Chosen People…).
P.S.: One of the chief benefits of having become the New Jews is that now and forevermore (at least as long as PC MC holds sway in the Western mainstream), Muslims can count on our anxiety to avoid any thought crimes (let alone any actual policies) that might, in our irrationally hyperventilating hypersensitivity, even vaguely hint at being in the general vicinity of the distant ballpark of leading toward a “slippery slope” of the G word (genocide; viz., another Holocaust). (For a glimpse into this perversely irrational though process, one can examine some of the commentary directed against me by asymptotic Jihad Watchers Phillip Jihadski and Angemon (or, more slyly calm-seeming, some of those of “Neil Jennison”).
voegelinian says
“perversely irrational thought* process”
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“(For a glimpse into this perversely irrational though process, one can examine some of the commentary directed against me by asymptotic Jihad Watchers Phillip Jihadski and Angemon (or, more slyly calm-seeming, some of those of “Neil Jennison”).”
As usual, voeg fails to give proper examples to back his claim. Typical leftist-fascist tactics – anyone disagreeing with you? Nothing beats lying and throwing mud, like a monkey with its feces.
But voeg, if you really want to talk about my posts directed at you, I’d like to remind you of this one:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/muslim-mayor-of-rotterdam-if-you-dont-like-freedom-leave/comment-page-2#comment-1180129
That’s me, calling you out on another of your mud-slinging sessions and reminding you that you “forgot” to prove one of your claims, again.
Also, remember who you’re replying to. Gravenimage has a fair assessment of the situation, and I don’t think she forgot that you lied about her to her face (figuratively, not literally). If you’re going to act muslim (as in “playing the poor, persecuted victim”) you might want to do so with someone you haven’t gone out of your way to try to antagonize – although I do suppose that’s a very minuscule list.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian, I very much agree with your assessment of Muslims absurdly being considered the “new Jews”.
And then, Jews themselves are—grotesquely—regarded as the new ‘white imperialists’ for having built democratic Israel, and receive little sympathy even when they are being butchered by ravening Jihadists.
Your above observation is an important one—undercut, I’m afraid, by your then predictably attacking your fellow Anti-Jihadists.
I’m afraid that this will then largely overshadow your useful analysis. This might be something for you to consider—but sadly at this point I very much doubt you will. I suppose you will consider me—as you have said—a “brutus” for pointing this out.
cs says
Read the comments, it is getting interesting.
cheekturner says
Theresa May has nothing to do with Britain.
Theresa May has everything to do with Islam
Theresa May IS Islam!
Je ne suis Mohammed!
MrHawkeye says
The sun has not only set on the British Empire it has set on Britain. These PC comments are all about the money…without Muslim money and Jewish money Parliament will be selling meat pies in Newcastle to stay afloat.
lisa anderson says
You know what Palestine was before muslims came? Israel.
cs says
Actually it was Bizantium, but with a Jewish majority.
fidobite says
Worldwide islam is a metastasizing cancer that must be stopped by a limp-wristed, secular, self-deceiving, pc West much of which continues to deny that islam is freedom’s mortal enemy. The muslim’s god, allah, is satan and muslims are his minions and foot soldiers. How long before the tumor kills the host? Not long considering the West’s refusal to recognize the disease for what it is and act in its own best interest. I for one will be on the front lines against this islamo-satanic scourge!
rabrooks says
Without mudslimes Britian would be Great Britain!
Stupid beech! What did you do before the rush of mudslimes?
Fred M says
So, without halal butchers, Anjem Choudary, mosques and madrassas teaching Arab values, hygienically challenged balti shops, people screaming that we are scum because we are not them, this would not be Britain? Where would it be Ms May, Paradise?
Peter Castle says
She’s as crazy as Obama, who said that Islam built America.
See “Obama’s Muslim Roots and Sympathies” at http://t.co/3FIt1xmLqV.