Better research has to be done.
I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute
Mirren10says
”I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute”
What on earth is your point ?
Are you suggesting that a venial Christian preacher stealing money from donations, in order to gratify his own greedy desires, is the same, or equivalent to, an Islamic ‘charity’ funding jihad *murder* ?
Certainly, if what you say about Swaggert is true, it is immoral, dishonest, and highly reprehensible, but even so, hardly in the same league as **torture, rape, murder, beheadings, and crucifixions** !
I do wish you knee jerk, patented moral equivalencers, would use the brains God presumably gave you, and use some logic and intelligence.
gravenimagesays
Dee wrote:
Better research has to be done.
I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute…
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Mirren is quite correct that Jimmy Swaggart’s tawdry sins do not compare to the horror of Jihad violence. The sum total of his crimes was being found in motel rooms with a prostitute on two occasions.
There is a another salient point: there is nothing in Christianity which enjoins its followers to use charity in this manner—just the opposite, in fact. Jimmy Swaggart’s misuse of donations to pay for hookers betrayed both his congregation and his faith.
In fact, he acknowledged this in his famous (infamous?) “I Have Sinned” speech to his congregation.
Whether he was sincere or not, though, the situation here is *very* different from that of Islam. where using “charity”—”Zakat”—to fund violent Jihad is perfectly Halal.
I am no personal fan of Jimmy Swaggart, but he appears to be rehabilitated and to have kept his nose clean since 1991. The reason that this scandal is still well remembered in the US twenty-four years after it occurred is that it is a rarity—can we say the same for Muslim “charities” being caught funding violent Jihad?
Peggysays
We are all channeling money to extremists via payment of Halal logo. Companies pay for logo and pass the cost onto us. We all pay in the end and with blessing of our governments.
What else is New ?? ..
Tell us about an Islamic So Called Charity that gives to the Poor instead of Jihadists??..
You wont find one ! So I wont get a Laugh !!
Sergiosays
Great video, Mr. Spencer! Thank you for all the work that you do.
I caution readers NOT to open *any* link posted by “nationalist”.
nationalistsays
its a you tube link to a Loretta Sanchez sponsored “muslims against extremism” conference held just a few days after Charlie Hebdo massacre.
Champsays
I repeat: I caution readers NOT to open *any* link posted by “nationalist”.
nationalistsays
i think these conferences are fine. just not an official government endorsement. That is corruption and inappropriate i think.
gravenimagesays
This conference is a whitewash of Islam, claiming that Islam is in no way inherently violent. It also offers sickening apologia for Shari’ah law.
There is, really, nothing fine about this.
The conference was sponsored by the Pacifica Institute, and it received no official government endorsement.
California Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez appears to be like many well-meaning but clueless Infidels, who took this at face value as Muslims “condemning extremism”.
It is to the American International School in Riyadh.
inspector clouseau
nationalistsays
why have you zeroed in on me as if i had committed some horrible crime? Or implying something about the my links? why did i get flagged? if feels weird when it happens to you.
while you investigate- i do too. make a bait of myself. looking for bad guys. it’s been very informative. scary and sad. but informative. found out more than any average person ought. broke my heart.
but who do you tell? Who do you report it to after you find out?
inspector clouseau.
i will have to retire now. Here was my last stop. The craziest one of all.
i got hurt on the inside very badly. very badly.
in the end though, we will succeed. The White Pebble.
gravenimagesays
nationalist wrote:
why have you zeroed in on me as if i had committed some horrible crime?…
………………………..
I imagine nationalist believed that his apologia for Fascism would be well received here, and is terribly hurt that it was not:
Here he is, sneering at criticism of Fascism:
“…irrelevant Nazi fetish fixation pathology that is fast becoming ridicules and counter productive to the cause of the West.”
And here he is referring to criticism of the Holocaust being a “blood libel”—his words—against the Nazis. He leavens his comments with a reference to some Holocaust denial being antisemitic, but it feels pretty pro forma:
He has also condemned the journalists murdered by Jihadists at Charlie Hebdo, proudly proclaiming, “Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie”. Ugly stuff.
nationalistsays
What is Kitman in Mohammadism.
gravenimagesays
Video: Robert Spencer on Sun TV on Muslim charity caught funneling money to terrorists
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For a long tine I thought this sort of thing—which is widespread—was money laundering, but it is actually something *much worse*.
“Zakat” is usually mistranslated as “charity”, but it is ‘spending in the way of Allah’, which means that Zakat going to fund violent Jihad is actually perfectly Halal, and is in fact more common than its being used for hospitals or disaster relief.
This is also a big part of the reason that so many *genuine* charities in the Muslim world are actually run and funded by charitable Infidels.
Dee says
Better research has to be done.
I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute
Mirren10 says
”I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute”
What on earth is your point ?
Are you suggesting that a venial Christian preacher stealing money from donations, in order to gratify his own greedy desires, is the same, or equivalent to, an Islamic ‘charity’ funding jihad *murder* ?
Certainly, if what you say about Swaggert is true, it is immoral, dishonest, and highly reprehensible, but even so, hardly in the same league as **torture, rape, murder, beheadings, and crucifixions** !
I do wish you knee jerk, patented moral equivalencers, would use the brains God presumably gave you, and use some logic and intelligence.
gravenimage says
Dee wrote:
Better research has to be done.
I remember Jimmy Swagart being the best known Christian preacher but not the last that took a lot of the money for himself and big fancy houses and side girl friends and prostitute…
…………………………..
Mirren is quite correct that Jimmy Swaggart’s tawdry sins do not compare to the horror of Jihad violence. The sum total of his crimes was being found in motel rooms with a prostitute on two occasions.
There is a another salient point: there is nothing in Christianity which enjoins its followers to use charity in this manner—just the opposite, in fact. Jimmy Swaggart’s misuse of donations to pay for hookers betrayed both his congregation and his faith.
In fact, he acknowledged this in his famous (infamous?) “I Have Sinned” speech to his congregation.
Whether he was sincere or not, though, the situation here is *very* different from that of Islam. where using “charity”—”Zakat”—to fund violent Jihad is perfectly Halal.
I am no personal fan of Jimmy Swaggart, but he appears to be rehabilitated and to have kept his nose clean since 1991. The reason that this scandal is still well remembered in the US twenty-four years after it occurred is that it is a rarity—can we say the same for Muslim “charities” being caught funding violent Jihad?
Peggy says
We are all channeling money to extremists via payment of Halal logo. Companies pay for logo and pass the cost onto us. We all pay in the end and with blessing of our governments.
particolor says
What else is New ?? ..
Tell us about an Islamic So Called Charity that gives to the Poor instead of Jihadists??..
You wont find one ! So I wont get a Laugh !!
Sergio says
Great video, Mr. Spencer! Thank you for all the work that you do.
Dawid ben Haggai says
Mr. Spencer, you have been doing a tremendous work. Please don’t weaken.
nationalist says
government sponsored corruption.
http://youtu.be/xTHHIWPTPK8
nationalist says
its easy to do the right thing. it’s free.
Champ says
I caution readers NOT to open *any* link posted by “nationalist”.
nationalist says
its a you tube link to a Loretta Sanchez sponsored “muslims against extremism” conference held just a few days after Charlie Hebdo massacre.
Champ says
I repeat: I caution readers NOT to open *any* link posted by “nationalist”.
nationalist says
i think these conferences are fine. just not an official government endorsement. That is corruption and inappropriate i think.
gravenimage says
This conference is a whitewash of Islam, claiming that Islam is in no way inherently violent. It also offers sickening apologia for Shari’ah law.
There is, really, nothing fine about this.
The conference was sponsored by the Pacifica Institute, and it received no official government endorsement.
California Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez appears to be like many well-meaning but clueless Infidels, who took this at face value as Muslims “condemning extremism”.
http://www.pacificainstitute.org/index.php/activities/item/286-pacifica-institute-hosted-a-panel-on-muslim-voices-against-extremism-in-cooperation-with-bayan-graduate-school-and-congresswoman-loretta-sanchez
nationalist says
Champ, i don’t think anyone should open links in forums. they might have kooties.
I also posted this link that you should not click on.
http://www.aisr.org/
It is to the American International School in Riyadh.
inspector clouseau
nationalist says
why have you zeroed in on me as if i had committed some horrible crime? Or implying something about the my links? why did i get flagged? if feels weird when it happens to you.
while you investigate- i do too. make a bait of myself. looking for bad guys. it’s been very informative. scary and sad. but informative. found out more than any average person ought. broke my heart.
but who do you tell? Who do you report it to after you find out?
inspector clouseau.
i will have to retire now. Here was my last stop. The craziest one of all.
i got hurt on the inside very badly. very badly.
in the end though, we will succeed. The White Pebble.
gravenimage says
nationalist wrote:
why have you zeroed in on me as if i had committed some horrible crime?…
………………………..
I imagine nationalist believed that his apologia for Fascism would be well received here, and is terribly hurt that it was not:
Here he is, sneering at criticism of Fascism:
“…irrelevant Nazi fetish fixation pathology that is fast becoming ridicules and counter productive to the cause of the West.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/academics-journalists-muslim-groups-endorse-fascism-felony-vandalism/comment-page-1#comment-1188414
And here he is referring to criticism of the Holocaust being a “blood libel”—his words—against the Nazis. He leavens his comments with a reference to some Holocaust denial being antisemitic, but it feels pretty pro forma:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/two-days-before-holocaust-memorial-day-bbc-asks-is-the-time-coming-to-lay-the-holocaust-to-rest/comment-page-1#comment-1187933
He has also condemned the journalists murdered by Jihadists at Charlie Hebdo, proudly proclaiming, “Je Ne Suis Pas Charlie”. Ugly stuff.
nationalist says
What is Kitman in Mohammadism.
gravenimage says
Video: Robert Spencer on Sun TV on Muslim charity caught funneling money to terrorists
……………………………..
For a long tine I thought this sort of thing—which is widespread—was money laundering, but it is actually something *much worse*.
“Zakat” is usually mistranslated as “charity”, but it is ‘spending in the way of Allah’, which means that Zakat going to fund violent Jihad is actually perfectly Halal, and is in fact more common than its being used for hospitals or disaster relief.
This is also a big part of the reason that so many *genuine* charities in the Muslim world are actually run and funded by charitable Infidels.