Cameron is winning praise for daring to suggest that the foe we face has anything to do with Islam. At the same time, however, he continues to maintain that the jihadis are “perverting” their peaceful religion. That is an unproven assertion and not a harmless one: it forces law enforcement and intelligence officials to waste time and resources on a fruitless search for what motivates young Muslims to join jihad groups — since the officials are bound as a matter of policy to ignore the fact that the jihad groups appeal to Islamic texts and teachings to recruit peaceful Muslims. And this leads to policy errors such as the endless flow of jizya to Pakistan and Afghanistan, predicated on the false assumption that poverty causes terrorism and wealth will end it.
Ultimately, neither Cameron nor Obama is facing the jihad threat squarely or realistically. And so the jihad fire will continue to rage, despite their best efforts to contain it.
“Obama vs. Cameron: British PM takes hard line on ‘Islamist’ extremists, Obama avoids I-word,” FoxNews.com, January 16, 2015 (thanks to Robert):
…Obama:
“We both recognize that intelligence and military force alone is not going to solve this problem, so we’re also going to keep working together on strategies to counter violent extremism that radicalizes recruits and mobilizes people, especially young people, to engage in terrorism.”
“We also look forward to welcoming our British friends to our summit next month on countering violent terrorism, because whether in Europe or in America, a critical weapon against terrorism is our adherence to our freedoms and values at home, including the pluralism and the respect and tolerance that defines us as diverse and democratic societies.”
“This phenomenon of violent extremism, the ideology, the networks, the capacity to recruit young people, this has metastasized and it is widespread, and it has penetrated communities around the world.”
“I do not consider it an existential threat. As David said, this is one that we will solve. We are stronger. We are representing values that the vast majority of Muslims believe in — in tolerance and in working together to build, rather than to destroy.”
“And so, you know, this is a problem that causes great heartache and tragedy and destruction, but it is one that ultimately we’re going to defeat. But we can’t just defeat it through weapons. One of the things that we spoke about is how do we lift up those voices that represent the vast majority of the Muslim world, so that that counter-narrative against this nihilism is put out there as aggressively and as nimbly as the messages coming out from these — these fanatics.”
Cameron:
“We know what we’re up against. And we know how we will win. We face a poisonous and fanatical ideology that wants to pervert one of the world’s major religions, Islam, and create conflict, terror and death. With our allies, we will confront it wherever it appears.”
“We will deploy additional intelligence and surveillance assets to help Iraqi forces on the ground, and we will ensure they are better trained and equipped to counter explosive devices. But most important of all, we must also fight this poisonous ideology starting at home.”
“We do face a very serious Islamist extremist terrorist threat in Europe, in America, across the world. And we have to be incredibly vigilant in terms of that threat.”
“It means countering this poisonous, fanatical death cult of a narrative that is perverting the religion of Islam.”
“But here’s, I think, the really determining point: You can have, tragically, people who have had all the advantages of integration, who’ve had all the economic opportunities that our countries can offer, who still get seduced by this poisonous, radical, death cult of a narrative.”
“So, let’s never lose sight of the real enemy here, which is the poisonous narrative that’s perverting Islam. That is what we have to focus on, recognizing that, of course, we help ourselves in this struggle if we create societies of genuine opportunity, if we create genuine integration between our communities.”
Don McKellar says
Is Cameron doing this because of lucrative Saudi and Qatar “on the board of directors” positions coming his way once he’s out of office? Is indirectly in their pay now? Is he doing this because he is completely clueless and is only listening, blocking out all reality, to “trusted advisors”. Advisors and consultants who are moslem, naturally — with their own agenda, which is ultimately only about advancing Islam. Or is he just one of those completely delusional leftists who has never even tried to actually research Islam and what it says in its texts, and is instead subsituting an imaginary vision of the way he and other leftists are sure MUST be in there, and what they imagine MUST be going on in those mosques. Or is he a mixture of al these?
With Obama, we have many of the same questions. However, it has been virtually established that he is a moslem. I didn’t want to believe it, but the evidence has become overwhelming, and any jury in the modern world would find him guilty if he were put on trial for such a thing.
Michael Copeland says
Some points:
Cameron keeps praising the “fantastic contribution” of Islam;
“He doesn’t listen”, said the killers of Lee Rigby;
His advisers include Tariq Ramadan, purveyor of taqiyya.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6215-david-cameron-s-distorted-interpretation
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5847-cameron-is-being-lied-to
mortimer says
I believe well-educated Saudi princes provide disinformation about Islam to all our politicians.
dlbrand says
Indeed, Copeland. Good work.
pumbar says
CaMoron knows exactly what is going on. He is just bricking himself as he doesn’t know what to do about it.
Walter Sieruk says
Just on the the subject of Obama alone. In that he willfully refuses co call Islam terrorism what it really is. Which is Islamic terrorism. He even refuses in ,in spite of the facts, to use the word ‘jihad’ then a jihad terror attack happens. As in for example Fort Hood and the Boston Islamic terror bombing. The needs to come to reality and call things as they really are. Furthermore, Brigitte Gabriel who is the founder of actforamerica.org and the author of the book entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED was on television this week on FOX NEWS and she was right on the mark when she stated that”Obama is more interested in protecting image of Islam then protecting the safety of the American public.” Lets all face it Obama has a strong case of denial concerning the violent nature that is so much part of the essence of Islam.”
Katnis says
Agree with this comment. The language Obama is using is just another step backwards.
This is a step to confuse the issues and the truth by fiddling with language.
Walter Sieruk says
Obama and his gang of likewise PC minded people try as much as they can to coverup the truth about the real nature of Islamic terror. In an attempt to put up a smokescreen and hide the truth many PC people use the fake word “Islamism” for Islam. Likewise ,they also use the fake word “Islamist” the describe a Muslim terrorist . They also make the unfounded claim that those kinds of terrorists “have hijacked Islam.” Instead of calling things as they really are and saying that these kind of terrorists are engaging in the violent and deadly jihad of actual Islam. Obama and his PC folk need to wake up to reality and call thing as they really are.
Michael Copeland says
The “hi-jacking” metaphor is almost certainly owed to CAIR, being fed to GW Bush when they invited him to Washington mosque after 9/11. Bush was reading, not very well, a script that was in front of him, and still made mistakes. The CAIR personnel were monitoring his performance with a critical look in their eye. Who knows how many “takes” it took before the footage was released: they probably fed him the famous line “Islam is peace”. Bush is not known for general knowledge.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6096-the-islam-is-peace-deception
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5739-moderate-islam-hijacked-a-mistake-and-a-deception
Kevin Walker says
Walter Sieruk said: “In an attempt to put up a smokescreen and hide the truth many PC people use the fake word “Islamism” for Islam. Likewise ,they also use the fake word “Islamist” the describe a Muslim terrorist”.
Exactly. ‘islamism’ or ‘islamist’ are absolutely meaningless words created to confuse ordinary people to make them think that it’s something different from ‘religion of islam’.
On the same note is the term ‘moderate muslim’, as we all know that mythical creature does not exist except in the minds of leftists.
Myxlplik says
Another “random perversion of Islam” that had nothing to do with Islam…
This story went unreported… Why? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2912185/Man-shot-Ohio-airport-police-knives-taped-legs.html
Arjuna Krishna-Das says
Robert is well-known for hushing up jihad terror.
Jay Boo says
Over exuberant dhimmi dementia
boakai ngombu says
we may keep our eyes on them and their ilk: http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Secure_Freedom_Strategy_01-16-15.pdf
mortimer says
WISHFUL THINKING ABOUT ISLAMISM IS DANGEROUS!
Fr Henri Boulad SJ of Alexandria refutes the baseless and DANGEROUS generalizations of Cameron and Obama:
“Islamism is Islam!
This claim is neither arbitrary nor fanciful. It does not stem from either prejudice or provocation or from a fanatical or intolerant position, or from an obstinately negative or reductionist position.
On the contrary, I believe this claim is perfectly consistent with Islam’s history and geography, with the Koran and the Sunna, with the life of Mohammed, with the evolution of Islam, and with what Islam says about itself. I refute the position of all those—be they Muslim or Christian—who veil their faces, play the ostrich, waffle, refuse to see reality in all its objectivity or indulge in wishful thinking…all in the name of ‘dialogue’ or ‘tolerance’…
Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.
Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.”
Message to Obama and Cameron: GENTLEMEN, YOU ARE WHISTLING PAST THE GRAVEYARD!
dlbrand says
Well, stated, my Friend. Well stated.
Peter says
If they had invited the Canadian prime minister, then at least one of them know what we’re fighting. These two clowns by themselves constitutes a special relationship between idiots.
Mahendra Singh says
This character Davood Camroon came all the way from Inglistaan to spill this
nonsense about “perverting” Islam, which otherwise is a great religion?
No wonder UK is rapidly becoming a beggar nation.
Charli Main says
All of the” Islam is the religion of peace” and ” Muslims have made enormous contributions to Britain” nonsense sprouted by David Cameron originates from the pen of his Guru in all matters Islamic “baroness” Wasi.
Know Thy Enemy says
Obama, David Cameron, and many others have fully vested themselves in the idea that Islam is peaceful and has nothing to do with the deeds of its followers. Their is no way they can entertain the opposite idea without destroying themselves, and therefore we should not even hope that they will!
IMO The only solution is to change the government in the next elections. We should direct our time, energy and resources to find and promote those people who already name the enemy correctly. In the US, one such person that I can think of who also seems to have decent leadership qualities, is Ben Carson! Of course there might be more such candidates.
Canada already seems to have a decent leader at the PM position. It seems to me that the only reason why he holds back what he really thinks of Islam is because he realizes that his opinions will directly clash with the very beliefs that other western leaders have vested themselves in! If that were not a issue, he would be more open.
Once again, we need to dedicate ourselves to promoting the good people for leadership of our nations. The sooner we start, the more success we are likely to have!
Howard says
Those “perverting Islam” are the moderates.
I wonder if they are getting paid by the Saudis to say that.
profitsbeard says
According to these Quislings, Mohammad himself perverted Islam.
By beheading people over a religious dispute, taking sex slaves, and enjoining his hordes to slaughter unbelievers in the name of Allah.
Mohammad,. the first bad Muslim.
That’s Barack’s and Cameron’s story.
And they can have it.
ECAW says
I see signs of Cameron edging towards the light here.
1. He’s too embarrassed to come out with the “Nothing to do with Islam” line these days.
2. Islam is no longer “a religion of peace” just “one of the world’s major religions”
3. “A poisonous and fanatical ideology” and “a fanatical death cult”.
These are phrases from the counter jihad world and I haven’t heard him using them before. It’s just that he uses them to refer to a small part of Islam whereas we apply them to the whole. Hopefully that part will grow in his mind, as it is growing with the public, till it covers a quarter of Islam then a half of Islam then…..
4. “People who have had all the advantages of integration, who’ve had all the economic opportunities that our countries can offer”.
So someone has pointed out to him that the “poverty causes terrorism” line doesn’t wash any more.
Sadly he still uses the term “Islamist extremists”. When he switches to “Islamic centrists” we’ll know that he’s got it.
Clearsighted says
Slightly OT
Pamela Geller and ATLAS SHRUGS are back up and running.
Wellington says
The photo above of Obama and Cameron giving each other the “high five” serves as visual testimony in microcosm of why the West is in the deep shit it is right now.
CogitoErgoSum says
I notice they both have their sleeves rolled up too as if to say, “Look at me. I’m ready to get my hands dirty doing some strenuous work.” I’d like to see Obama and Cameron out mowing the lawn or weeding the garden. Would they know that it’s best not to let the dandelions bloom so the wind can spread the seeds? Would they know that eliminating such a weed requires killing the root? Would they understand that radical Islam is no less than Islam in full bloom? Would they see the connection between dandelions and Islam? What do you think?
Mirren10 says
”The photo above of Obama and Cameron giving each other the “high five” serves as visual testimony in microcosm of why the West is in the deep shit it is right now.”
Exactly !
When I saw that, my toes curled. You would think they were two teenaged ‘bros’ on the basketball court, instead of the supposed ‘leader of the free world’, and the British Prime Minister. Their desperation to be seen as ‘young and hip’ is excruciating.
Can you imagine Winston Churchill, or Roosevelt, ever doing such an undignified thing ?
DavidE says
Thomas Jefferson knew a lot more about Islam then the current occupant of the White House.
Jefferson then wrote a letter to John Jay that read:
“The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
This is loosely based upon the Qur’an’s teaching from Surah 47:4 which reads,
“Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
duh_swami says
‘Allah you not so magnificent bastard, I read your book’…and I must say Alan Colmes misrepresented it, and he is not the only one yer Grace, many more infidel with filthy minds are misrepresenting your words. They claim nearly nothing is of your religion, and attempt to twist and hijack your words. I know you are all merciful and oft forgiving, but maybe you should reconsider that, these crazy infidels are getting away with too much…I’m not suggesting you strike down Alan Colmes, you can use your own judgement about that.
RICHTHOFEN says
Camoron is every bit as much an appeaser, an effete Quisling capitulator, as Bin Bama. Both are hog-tied by the politically correct, multi-culti myth and marxist doctrines set out by the Frankfurt school, the EUSSR, etc. Camoron is torn between his puppet Fuehrerin Merkel and his lap-dog trainer, Bin Bama. The muslims laugh at their kow-towing, lying their heads off pretending that they do not intend to destroy civilisation, whilst funding, supporting and recruiting their front-line killers. Until the west has the courage to proscribe the evil, 7th century hate and war-driven cult of islam, the world will continue to spiral down to oblivion. Bin Bama’s and Camoron’s inability to face the truth amounts to genocide, effectively – no different to Nazi Germany where people looked the other way rather than admit what was going on
Clifford says
The statements of the two leaders do seem to go further than previously.
But I ask again: let’s suppose that the ‘narrative” is agreed to implicate Islam itself and its Book. What then should world leaders do?
Samatar
I have no idea whether you’re a Moslem. Whether you are or not really isn’t the issue. Your opening remark is innocuous enough and represents the views of the vast majority in this poor world. Until, that is, we come to the bully boys on jihadwatch – who have no respect for anyone who doesn’t toe the party line and come over as thoroughly nasty pieces of work – and thus become part of the problem.
Angemon says
Clifford posted:
“Samatar
I have no idea whether you’re a Moslem. Whether you are or not really isn’t the issue. Your opening remark is innocuous enough and represents the views of the vast majority in this poor world.”
Only if your sweeping generalization leaves muslims out, hall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
BTW, hall, here’s another of samatar’s comments. Can you tell us if it’s innocuous enough and represents the views of the vast majority of the poor world?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/robert-spencer-in-frontpage-did-muhammad-approve-of-torture/comment-page-1#comment-1163015
“Until, that is, we come to the bully boys on jihadwatch – who have no respect for anyone who doesn’t toe the party line and come over as thoroughly nasty pieces of work – and thus become part of the problem.”
By which Clifford means that the average islamo-aware JW user can see that jewish, christian, buddhist, hindu, sikh, etc, “extremists” aren’t around chopping limbs and quoting from their scriptures to justify their actions – only muslims, on all continents. I, for one, believe that identifying the source of the problem is quite different from
Crixus says
My right arm for Thatcher and Reagan
Clifford Hall says
angemon says that samatar “spouted” in his one line remark.
Look in the mirror fellas and ask whether you have ears to hear.
Angemon says
Pipe down and go take your pill(s) cliffy, you’re spouting nonsense on a pre-samatarian level.
Clifford Hall says
ECAW
Yes, there has been a change; with Obama too, though I suspect cosmetic..
But let’s suppose they eventually “get it”. What are they to do? What should they do?
ECAW says
Once our leaders accept that we are in a world war and have identified our enemy all sorts of things will follow naturally.
In the meantime here are five serious attempts to draw up legal limitations:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6609-zero-tolerance-liberty-gb-s-new-islam-manifesto
http://europenews.dk/files/EuropeCharter.pdf
http://www.qsociety.org.au/downloads/Qon_12_practical_steps_to_stop_Islamisation_20Feb2014.pdf
http://cjhsla.org/2013/12/28/geert-wilders-10-points-plan-to-save-the-west-geert-wilders/
IQ al Rassooli:
1. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries
2. Do not allow ANY Muslim to become a citizen in any none Muslim country
3. Ban the recitation of Quran from every mosque because Muhammad’s Quran demands that his followers must NOT obey any constitution NOT from Allah (Sharia)
4. No mosques should be allowed to be built or opened
5. Close all so called ‘religious’ Islamic schools called Madrassahs
6. Ban the wearing of Hijab & Niqab (They are NOT in the Quran)
7. Any Muslim who cannot follow these simple and logical rules to protect our way of life can pack up and return to any of 57 Muslim Paradise state
and one not so serious one for good measure:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/20-years-from-now/
ECAW says
(2nd attempt)
Once our leaders accept that we are in a world war and have identified our enemy all sorts of things will follow naturally.
In the meantime here are five serious attempts to draw up legal limitations:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6609-zero-tolerance-liberty-gb-s-new-islam-manifesto
http://europenews.dk/files/EuropeCharter.pdf
http://www.qsociety.org.au/downloads/Qon_12_practical_steps_to_stop_Islamisation_20Feb2014.pdf
http://cjhsla.org/2013/12/28/geert-wilders-10-points-plan-to-save-the-west-geert-wilders/
IQ al Rassooli:
1. Stop all immigration from Muslim countries
2. Do not allow ANY Muslim to become a citizen in any none Muslim country
3. Ban the recitation of Quran from every mosque because Muhammad’s Quran demands that his followers must NOT obey any constitution NOT from Allah (Sharia)
4. No mosques should be allowed to be built or opened
5. Close all so called ‘religious’ Islamic schools called Madrassahs
6. Ban the wearing of Hijab & Niqab (They are NOT in the Quran)
7. Any Muslim who cannot follow these simple and logical rules to protect our way of life can pack up and return to any of 57 Muslim Paradise state
and one not so serious one for good measure:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/20-years-from-now/
shabeer_hassan says
@ECAW
THAT THE DENNY THE RIGHTS OF MINORITY & FREEDOM,WHY THIS MUCH WORRY ABOUT ISLAM,PEOPLE ACCEPTING TRUE RELIGION OF GOD IS NOT THE ABOVE 7 POINTS,FIRST HIDAYA OF PPL DECIDED BY ALMIGHTY ALLHA
49: 18. Verily, Allâh knows the unseen of the heavens and the earth. And Allâh is the All-Seer of what you do.
59: 22. He is Allâh, than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
6: 59. And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.
11: 123. And to Allâh belongs the Ghaib (unseen) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him return all affairs (for decision). So worship Him (O Muhammad SAW) and put your trust in Him. And your Lord is not unaware of what you (people) do.”
PPL ACCEPTING ISLAM AFTER THEIR COMPLETE STUDY OF ISLAMIC PRINCIPLE..
3:19. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to account.
2: 253. Those Messengers! We preferred some to others; to some of them Allâh spoke (directly); others He raised to degrees (of honour); and to ‘Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), We gave clear proofs and evidences, and supported him with Rûh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)]. If Allâh had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought against each other, after clear Verses of Allâh had come to them, but they differed – some of them believed and others disbelieved. If Allâh had willed, they would not have fought against one another, but Allâh does what He likes.
PPL CAN’T DEFETE ISLAM FROM THEIR MEDIA,MONEY ,POWER & LYING….
BEC’S ITS PROTECTED NOT MUSLIM PPL,ITS PROTECTED ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF UNIVERSE AND ALL…..
2: 255. Allâh! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursî extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
IQ al Rassooli says
shabeer
As a follower of Muhammad it is impossible for you to use logic or rational thinking attempting to defend your indefensible CULT belief system. This I have known to be a FACT for at least 30 years
You start your comments with a LIE that Allah is the same as the God of the Bible when in reality Allah is only the mouth piece of Muhammad the ventriloquist
Let me prove you WRONG based as usual on your own scripture
If Allah is God, then he should be ALL KNOWING (Past Present & Future). If he were all knowing WHY has Allah ABROGATED earlier verses with later ones? How is it possible that Allah did NOT know the weaknesses of the followers of Muhammad?
WHY does the Quran have 71 chapters containing Abrogating & Abrogated verses?
Maybe you have a better answer than al Suyuti one of the foremost exegetes of Islam!
As a Muslim intending to DECEIVE Quran ignorant readers, you have deliberately AVOIDED quoting verses from Muhammad’s Quran against ALL none Muslim humanity!
As a Muslim, you Mendacity, Hypocrisy & Duplicity are fully understandable by those who know Islam
You are still under the impression that Muslims can continue deceiving none Muslims in this internet connected world! You really are a fool!
Will you please refute my comments?
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
ECAW says
Shabeer – I mean this in the nicest possible way……but I haven’t got the faintest idea what you’re on about.
dlbrand says
“in reality Allah is only the mouth piece of Muhammad the ventriloquist.”
Once again, Amen, Al-Rassooli!
Because it is Allah who Muhammad asserts is the speaker providing the words of the Qur’an.
Allah, thus, in other words, the one projected into “sight” as the speaker–Muhammad, the real speaker of the words in the Qur’an, the ventriloquist, hidden behind the “curtain”–his wooden puppet, Allah, speaking, the words of the Qur’an.
shabeer_hassan says
In truth, the fact that some of the rulings in the Qur’an have
been abrogated actually represents one of the evidences to prove its
divinity. The Qur’an is the last book that has been revealed by God for
the guidance of humanity. It is a book that puts forward wholly
practicable methods in the moulding of an ideal society on the basis of
a moral code which it, in itself, dictates. It is, in addition, a book that
seeks to show how, in the process of creating an exemplary and ideal
society out of nothing but the most primitive human conditions, the
divine law had influenced the making of such a society in the various
stages of its evolution. The Qur’an does not contain certain numbered
injunctions like the Ten Commandments that were revealed by God. It
is, in fact, the compendium of laws that grew with the beat and rhythm
of an evolving society that would eventually result in the fruitful
transformation of an entire people. In that chain of legislation, it is but
natural that the rulings that came at a time of total decadence will
become irrelevant when the society has gone past that stage in its
evolution. It is this loss of relevance that is, in fact, implied in the term
‘abrogation.’Consider, for instance, the verses related to the consumption of
intoxicants. It must be remembered that the Qur’an was revealed to a
society that virtually bathed in wine. It was not about wine, which
turned man into beast, that the Qur’an first talked to them about. The
Qur’an firstly impressed upon their minds the purest conception about
God and of the unflinching awareness of the Hereafter. Indeed, the
Qur’an had, as the first step, sought to create a readiness in submitting
one’s entire life before the Creator. It was after having created a
mind-set to which the acceptance of all legislations that were confirmed
to have been issued from God had become easy that the Qur’an
declared: “They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say:
‘In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is
greater than the profit.’” (Qur’an 2:219)
This was the first stage. The Qur’an’s approach here has been
to first seek to show the benefits, or otherwise, of a thing and to make
it clear that the sin in it would be greater than any benefit that may
accrue thereof.
With this verse, the society, now trained in alienating itself from
sin and in moving along the path of virtue, soon begins to free itself
from the vice-like grip of intoxicants and gambling. It was then that
the second verse was revealed: “O ye who believe! Approach not
prayers in a state of intoxication, until ye can understand all
that say …” (Qur’an 4:43)
The prayer constitutes a conservation with the Lord Creator.
However, many a man approached prayer in a state of intoxication.
Indeed, the degree of their slavery to intoxicants can be seen from this
single fact. The Qur’an had then made the second step towards
achieving the goal of a society that was free of intoxicants. Prayer
must be made only with the acute awareness of that which is being
said in the conservation with God; with the mind and heart solemnly
influenced by that which is being uttered therein. Briefly put, therefore,
prayer must never be in a state of intoxication.
With the arrival of the second ruling a good section of those
conscious of God were freed of their slavery to intoxicating drinks.
They resolved, thenceforth, that they would, at least, abstain from
intoxicants during the times of the five daily prayers. It was then that
the third ruling, which sought to fully abolish all intoxicants, was finally
revealed.
“O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, sacrificing
to stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination – of
Satan’s handiwork: Eschew such (abomination), that ye may
prosper. Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred
between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you
from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not
then abstain?” (Qur’an 5:90,91)
With the revelation of this verse, the other verses that were
revealed earlier had now become irrelevant. They were, in fact, verses
that had been revealed for the creation of an intoxicant-free society
which were revealed in the two stages of the society’s evolution. It
can, therefore, be said that with the coming of this verse, the other
two verses had, for all practical purposes, become abrogated.
It was mentioned earlier that even this abrogation serves only
to stress the divine nature of the Qur’an. Prophet Muhammad (e)
was, himself, never one to take intoxicating drinks even before his
attainment of prophethood. Even if he were to put forward a law
against intoxicants which was of his own making, it would have been
in a fashion that straightaway prohibited all intoxicants forthwith.
However, it is the Creator who is best aware of the intricacies as well
as of the methodology of variation of the human mind. It is for that
same reason that He brought a law into effect stage by stage. When
such is the implementative process, therefore, it is only natural that the
laws issued in the earlier stage tend to be abrogated at a later stage.
This is why it has been said that the Qur’an makes it clear that these
abrogations are, indeed, from Allah, the Omniscient.
dlbrand says
Add to the above response of al-Rassooli to Baseer: “Allah and his messenger” even got their Mariam’s mixed up.
How in this world, can anyone with a good sound mind, believe, an all knowing, almighty God, get’s his Mariams mixed up and needs the help of al-Rassooli the set him straight on the matter?
How can you be so fearful of truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTV8yEgkSyE&list=PL22036B99AA15F492
dlbrand says
Al-Rassooli, on Muhammad’s made to order “Revelations”
D.C. Watson says
Wonder if these two jackasses missed each other’s hand on their “high-five”.
Randall says
So many western leaders cop the plea that extremists are perverting the Islamic religion, but no one bothers to say just exactly what it is that they are perverting. Seems to me that those who maintain that Islam is a religion of peace are the one who are guilty of perverting it.
Beatrix17 says
ISLAM DOESN’T MEAN PEACE, IT MEANS SUBMISSION TO ALLAH AND THE VOICE OF ALLAH IS MUHAMMAD A VERY VIOLENT 7TH CENTURY MAN. GOD CHOSE IMPERFECT PEOPLE IN BOTH JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY TO BRING HIS MESSAGE SO HE COULD REASSURE US THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE TO BE PERFECT TO BELIEVE IN GOD. BUT JEWS AND CHRISTIANS WORSHIP GOD, NOT HIS HUMAN MESSENGERS. ISLAM WORSHIPS MUHAMMAD THE IMPERFECT MESSENGER AND HAS MADE HIM GOD.
Abu Nasir says
Hello IQ Al Rassooli, I am an Iraqi as yourself, and I have been studying Islam in detail for sometime now. I have also listened to all of your videos on your website. I was in a debate with a shia muslim on jihad, and he gave me a hadith that I have not done much reading about. So I am wondering if you could give me a a proper response to this Hadith.
Al-Majlisi, Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 19, p. 182, hadith no. 31
I tried finding it online and even tried to look for that specific volume but I was unlucky. Please provide me with as much detail as possible. I am doing my best to show my muslim friends the truth because they are in complete denial about there terrorist self proclaimed prophet Muhammad.
IQ al Rassooli says
Abu Nasir
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This particular Hadith is a Shia one and a WEAK one at that
It is IRRELEVANT since according to every verse in Muhammad’s Quran & Sunna, Jihad is Physical WAR and NOT a Spiritual one
Debating with believers is like talking to the brain dead
You are wasting your time since you will NEVER convince them even if you drown them with floods of Hadiths proving them WRONG!
Thank you for asking
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!