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A wolf in sheep’s clothing

Feb 8, 2015 5:04 pm By Robert Spencer

Qasim RashidA wolf in sheep’s clothing
by Ali Rizvi

If an ideology is peaceful, then its most literalist or fundamentalist adherents too would be peaceful. In the case of Islam, let alone Al Qaeda or ISIS, what the governments of Iran or Saudi Arabia do is plain for all to see. In Saudi Arabia they publicly behead people for even drug trafficking, and in Iran they hang them to death for being homosexual. Many surveys also have shown that the majorities in countries like Egypt, Pakistan or Malaysia support the death penalty for blasphemy.

So what should a Muslim who claims to be a moderate or tolerant and is concerned about the image of Islam do? Perhaps challenge those who kill in the name of Islam? Perhaps try to convince other Muslims that these violent interpretations are not really what Islam preaches?

What some of them do instead is cover up these truths and lie about them. I suspect this is for the purpose of proselytizing and making the image of Islam palatable to a Western audience.

The reason for this is that the biggest threat to these “reformers” (and I use the term reformer with great reservation) is not from other Muslims. Most other Muslims too do not want to talk about sex slaves or child marriages. The biggest threat to these people is from former Muslims. Former Muslims know Islam better than they do. It is former Muslims who embarrass them by exposing their lies. Hence they try to discredit them by calling them “Islamophobes,” and when that fails, they try to bully them by threatening to publicly disclose their identities.

I have myself had several debates on such issues with many Muslims who engage with others on the internet. But in my experience, the two who stand out in not just their persistent lies but also in how systematic and polished their answers are, are Qasim Rashid and his sidekick Kashif Chaudhry. Below, I give examples of a few topics I have debated with them over the internet. It’s clear that neither of the two are interested in talking about what Islam actually preaches. And not surprisingly, after being exposed, both of them have blocked me to end further discussions on these topics.

Islam allows sex with slaves. The Quran allows a man to have sex with a female slave he legally owns without being married to her. Muhammad himself had concubines in addition to his eleven wives, and at least one of them bore him a child (who died in infancy). The companions of Muhammad had sex with prisoners of war, and he made no objection to it (which makes it permissible for Muslims). This is not something that is disputed by the four Sunni schools of thought, the Shias or the Salafi (who collectively probably make more than 95% of Muslims). So, for all practical purposes, this is Islam.

I took this issue up with Qasim Rashid in response to his article in which he insists that the way ISIS has dealt with prisoners of war is not Islamic. I quote below the relevant part from his article.

“POWs, during and after the war must be treated with the dignity all human beings deserve.”

On the contrary, the truth in fact is that even raping prisoners of war was permitted by Muhammad. And as I said above, in Islam, if there is demonstrable evidence that there is a certain practice which Muhammad did not object to, then it is permissible for all Muslims. I share below a narration from Sahih Bukhari, generally acknowledged by the Sunnis (the largest sect among the Muslims) as the most reliable source of Islamic history.

Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah’s Apostle about it and he said, “Do you really do that?” repeating the question thrice, “There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.

Point to note: Muhammad’s objection was not to his companions having sex with prisoners of war, but to them trying to prevent a pregnancy by coitus interruptus.

Despite giving him the relevant references, Qasim remained undeterred. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking that perhaps Ahmadis (the sect of Muslims he belongs to) believe things differently from other Muslims. He instead asked me to read a booklet written by Ahmadi scholars. Lo and behold, the booklet he referred to actually proved me right! The booklet categorically stated that for men sex with female slaves without marrying them is permissible. Ironically, even after being proven wrong from a booklet that he HIMSELF provided, he did not change his stance.

This is the link to the book he referred to which is on an official Ahmadi website.

And this is the relevant page from the book:

marriageofslaveDespite being proven wrong, Qasim continued to insist that even though sex with slaves may be allowed (something he had earlier insisted that I was wrong about), it is only with the consent of the slave. That is a lie. Firstly, nowhere has that condition ever been laid down. Secondly, how can anyone imagine a prisoner of war, who may have just seen her father, brother, even husband killed consent to sex with their killers?

His sidekick, who is even more pathetic and shameless in his lies, wrote these two articles here and here (notice that the claims made in the Huffington Post article are markedly different from what he posted on his own blog).

I quote one of the relevant paragraphs here.

“Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not allow Muslims to have sexual relations, let alone rape or torture the women who were taken prisoners during these battles.”

I doubt either Kashif or Qasim Rashid are actually ignorant about this. But why they feign ignorance is quite obvious. They know that to a Western audience, the notion of sex slaves or raping prisoners of war are completely abhorrent and incompatible with modern society. So they cover it up.

Both Qasim Rashid and Kashif Chaudhry love to tout the mantra “Love for all, hatred for none”. However, every time I point out to Kashif that Ahmadi religious scholars insist that according to the Quran, homosexuals should be confined to their rooms away from society until they die or repent, he censors my posts. Luckily I have screenshots from one of the times I brought this issue up with Kashif, when he again insisted that Islam teaches tolerance for all unconditionally. Not unexpectedly, he blocked me right after this, saying that I abused him. Funny enough, I had abused him when he apologized to me insincerely in a private conversation several months prior to this. And even after that, he had often tagged me in his posts. So that clearly wasn’t the reason for blocking me. The reason was quite simply that I had exposed his lies.

RizviChaudhryHere is a link to what I posted above.

This is from an official Ahmadi website. In the video, at 10:15 an Ahmadi scholar insists that homosexuals should be confined to their houses till either they repent or die. This is the height of hypocrisy on Kashif’s part. If one points out bigotry in others, one must also condemn and call out the bigotry of those with whom one identifies. Or at least acknowledge it when shown proof of it.

And finally, in relation to the current response to the attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices, Qasim Rashid wrote an article in USA Today insisting that Islam allows freedom of speech.

I gave him two examples of people sentenced to death by Muhammad (and there are others, some of whom were even executed on his orders) because they ridiculed him. As expected, he first made excuses and then later blocked me when he couldn’t provide answers. One screenshot is below, which includes a reference from Muslim historical sources.

MuhammadkillsIf this alone weren’t enough, Kashif Chaudhry has now made a habit of exposing ex-Muslim atheists – knowing full well the potential consequences. The Ahmadis themselves are amongst the most persecuted minorities in Pakistan, and Kashif, too, has written about this on a number of occasions. And yet, here he is putting the lives of others in danger simply because they do not believe in Islam anymore. I share here private Facebook conversations he had with two of my close friends, both of whom he has “outed” on his blogs. I have blacked out their names and their profile pictures. I cannot stress enough how dangerous this is. Not uncommonly, people are publicly lynched on the charges of blasphemy in places like Pakistan and even in the West, people from Muslim backgrounds can suffer significant ostracism from friends and family for being critical of Islam.

Chaudhry endangers apostateChaudhry endangers apostate 2

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While undoubtedly a great deal of reform is needed in Muslim societies, neither Qasim Rashid nor Kashif Chaudhry are  reformers. True reform will only come when Muslims acknowledge that there are parts of Islam that are violent, intolerant and incompatible with modern society. Covering up the reality of Islam helps no one – least of all Muslims themselves.

Ali Rizvi is an ex-Muslim from Pakistan.

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  1. john spielman says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    to see what a”radical ” muslim looks like, watch ISIS adherents, or what
    Bin Laden or muhammed pbuh*did. To see what “radical “Christians look like see how Mother Theresa, the apostles Peter, or John etc, Bishop Polycarp of Smyrna, Billy Graham behaved.
    One religion belongs to Satan, the other to Christ
    pbuh*- perpetual banishment unto hell!

    ]

    • terry says

      Feb 9, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      john spielman,

      In my many discussions and explanations, I had and made over the years, regarding the turbo lying machine, in full swing here in the west, about the true nature of Islam and its threat, I used several lines and words to show the difference between Islam and Christianity, in simple and clear terms, based on the same main idea of your comment above.

      Meanwhile, I must admit that how you presented that same idea, in your comment above, was very creative, new and above all very clear.

      I loved it!

  2. jihad3tracker says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    It should come as absolutely NO SURPRISE to us that Islamic supremacists are — fundamentally — cowards, who RUN FROM DEBATE OR END IT BY BLOCKING THE OTHER SIDE.

    They behave as if the year we are living in is 1980 or some such ancient era — and the instant facts and references about Islam ( posted in dozens of expert websites ) SIMPLY ARE NOT AVAILABLE.

    REMEMBER : INSIDE EVERY FASCIST IS A SCARED CHILD — who knows that his supreme authority for persuasion is a fragile one..

    • pumbar says

      Feb 8, 2015 at 11:11 pm

      1980 is an ancient era? Strewth I must be getting old!!!

    • moray watson says

      Feb 9, 2015 at 4:49 pm

      …which is why Obama wants to turn the internet into a government regulated utility.

  3. Andrew E. Harrod says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    I remember Qasim Rashid well. Yes, he is very tricky:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/andrew-harrod/a-muslim-reformers-idea-of-free-speech/

  4. William Lucas HarveyJr. says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 6:19 pm

    I Disagree – these violent interpretations ARE really what Islam preaches !!

  5. Peter Buckley says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    “Ali Rizvi is an ex-Muslim from Pakistan.”

    And one of an increasing number:

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/782/the_rise_of_atheism_in_pakistan

    Remember, just a few years ago, the words Pakistani Atheist would never have been mentioned together. I know many on here continue to believe that Islam is “winning”. In fact, the opposite is true. It is collapsing, thanks in many ways to people like Ali Rizvi who can publicly expose defenders of Islam. The Internet will destroy Islam:

    http://www.considerationsofacanadianex-muslim.org/conclusions.html

  6. Wellington says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    Reading this article just confirms for me for the umpteenth time that Muslims will go to any length to defend the indefensible. Putting aside the two Muslims mentioned above by Robert Spencer, I would additionally mention Zuhdi Jasser. I think Jasser is a sincere man, a decent man (unlike Qasim Rashid and Kashif Chaudhry), and yet when I have heard him recently on news networks he continues to assert that Islam can indeed come into the modern world.

    It can’t. It’s so pathetic to see the continued attempts by Muslims, some deceitful, some sincere, to try to extricate Islam from itself. It simply can’t be done.

    Islam is rotten to the core. Can’t save rot. Think otherwise and the West will always come back to Square One. Time for the West to move to Square Two. Way overdue in fact.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Feb 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm

      Wellington,

      I posted this to the site, but I didn’t write it. Ali Rizvi wrote it. See the byline and the bio tag.

      • Wellington says

        Feb 8, 2015 at 10:59 pm

        Oh my God, this makes three goofs for me since the beginning of the year. I’ve got to cease glossing over things—-like who authors an article and mistaking the bogus Robert Spencer for the real deal. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

    • RG says

      Feb 8, 2015 at 9:34 pm

      @ Wellington.
      I couldn’t agree more with you about your comment concerning Zuhdi Jasser. He comes across as a sincere man of integrity, and I believe, in his heart he’s just that. Problem is…. he’s been compromised by the Westerners and Christians around him AND HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW IT!

      Truth be told, none of his pro-Western leanings are islamic (intentionally lower-case) at heart. He’s a Chrislam – which is just another word for A TWO-HEADED MONSTER!!! Christ taught that a man cannot serve two masters – but Jasser is unknowingly out to prove that Christ was a LIAR!!!

  7. Angemon says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    That article sums up most of “debates” I’ve had with muslims online, down to the “it’s consensual” “argument”.

  8. gravenimage says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    A wolf in sheep’s clothing

    The Ahmadis themselves are amongst the most persecuted minorities…
    ………………………………

    Yes, indeed—despite the fact that orthodox Muslims oppress and murder Ahmadis, they are only too happy to whitewash Islam to lull further victims into a false sense of security.

    There was a Baha’i here the other day, claiming that we were “racists” and “bigots” for not accepting that Islam is perfectly peaceful. It was only later in the thread that he admitted that that interpretation of Islam was one not held by Muslims themselves, but just by minority Baha’i—and that, in fact, Baha’i were persecuted by Muslims for such beliefs.

    That didn’t even slow his apologia down, though.

    More:

    If this alone weren’t enough, Kashif Chaudhry has now made a habit of exposing ex-Muslim atheists who live in Muslim countries – knowing full well the potential consequences…
    ………………………………

    This is especially appalling—Ahmadi outing apostates so that they can be targeted by the same pious Muslims who would go after Ahmadi, as well. Perverse—but not only uncommon. This is virtually the norm.

    And along with these whitewashers of Islam—whom many hopeful Westerners are only too happy to listen to—increasingly orthodox Muslims as they become further emboldened are not even bothering to sling Taqiyya, but are just going for naked Muslim aggression. This explains Boko Haram and the Islamic State and so many others.

    Continuing the metaphor of wolves among sheep, here is one of the most horrifying of the Hadith:

    The Prophet went on, “A wolf caught a sheep, and when the shepherd chased it, the wolf said, ‘Who will be its guard on the day of wild beasts, when there will be no shepherd for it except me?'”

    What better describes the plight of Infidels, minorities, and apostates in the power of orthodox Muslims?

    • sheik yermami says

      Feb 8, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      I guess we have yet to figure out the role of the fiercely proselytizing Ahmadiyya sect.

      In the end, they all work hand in hand and they all are willing to kill and die for the cause.

      • Aussie Infidel says

        Feb 9, 2015 at 8:17 pm

        Too true Sheik, I recently spoke to an Ahmadi refugee here, who was defending Islam at a public debate. He told me that he was a ‘moderate’, but had been persecuted in Afghanistan by Sunnis. I asked him how he could support Sunnis being allowed to come here, and his reply was, “Oh well, we are still all Muslims.” I replied, “So you are prepared to protect the very people who persecuted you?” And he replied, “But that was in Afghanistan?” In his mind, that sort of thing couldn’t possibly happen here. Perhaps after the siege in Sydney, he’s changed his mind. And of course, pigs might also fly!

  9. gravenimage says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    Kudos to brave apostate Ali Rizvi—like fellow apostate Ayaan Hirsi Ali, he understands Islam from the inside out.

  10. Ayatrollah says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    I’m sure pbuh blocked people he could not hit or beat in an argument. I can’t get any Muslim to talk about Islam on Muslim web sites. They block us right away.

    It takes quite a bit of study to be able to spot Muslim lies. One of the first things I noticed when studying islam is the white washing believers do when talking to others. Even many Muslims don’t know slaves are lawful. there is no reason for most Muslims to know and they are not told.

  11. Matthieu Baudin says

    Feb 8, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Ali Rizvi, another gem from the ranks of the ex Muslim Apostates. They bring with them the sharpest focus on life today in Islamic Societies to which we wouldn’t otherwise have access. Thankyou Mr Rizvi!

  12. Syed says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 12:01 am

    Excellent read.

  13. Baucent says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 8:00 am

    Good article that, well worth saving.

  14. awake says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    As several JW readers have alluded to over the years, in order to dispel the myth of a peaceful Islam, Muhammad must be exposed and discredited. Well done by Mr. Rizvi.

  15. Lioness says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    What was good for the Pervert Muhammad (Piss Be Upon Him) in the 6th Century is good enough for Muslims in the 21st Century. Nothing has changed.

  16. Eric says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    Evil does not like being dragged into the light for it exposes them for what they are. Islam’s ideology is as evil as one can conceive.

  17. Foolster41 says

    Feb 9, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    I saw this article today over at united with Isreal (I get their newsletter), and I couldn’t help but be pretty incredulous. He draws moral equivlence between “all religons” and says that calls for violence should be a limited time (but in what way is it in Islam? How does he answer other bad aspects of Islam such as wife-beating, slavery and pedophila? He doesn’t say):

    http://unitedwithisrael.org/lebanese-cleric-reaches-out-to-jews-and-christians-in-rare-gesture-of-peace

    I can’t help but feel UWI is being incredibly naive.

    • Foolster41 says

      Feb 9, 2015 at 7:37 pm

      (I guess I should have said, that this is semi-OT, “this article” being the one I linked, not the one in the OP, sorry if I was confusing.)

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