But you can’t fault them for not acting upon them: “He was only one of several thousand people of potential security concern.” Several thousand! How did there come to be so many misunderstanders of Islam in Australia?
“Sydney Siege: 18 Warning Calls Before Attack,” Sky News, February 22, 2015 (thanks to Anne Crockett):
A national security hotline received 18 calls about the self-styled cleric Man Haron Monis just days before he took 18 people hostage at a cafe in Sydney, a report into the siege has revealed.
The calls between December 9 and December 12 last year all concerned offensive material on his Facebook page.
Three days later he was shot dead by police, ending the 17-hour siege which left two hostages dead.
It was later revealed the Iranian-born attacker, who had long been known to security services, was out on bail at the time of the attack for a string of charges.
Releasing the government’s report – the first since the siege – Prime Minister Tony Abbott admitted “the system” had let the public down.
“Plainly, this monster should not have been in our community,” Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney.
“He shouldn’t have been allowed into the country. He shouldn’t have been out on bail. He shouldn’t have been with a gun. And he shouldn’t have become radicalised.”
The report said all 18 calls were investigated by intelligence and police authorities, but none indicated a specific intention to carry out an attack, meaning the risk assessment for Monis was not changed.
“On the basis of the information available at the time, he fell well outside the threshold to be included in the 400 highest priority counter-terrorism investigations,” the review said.
“He was only one of several thousand people of potential security concern.”
Monis, who had been living in Australis since the 1990s, was the subject of several counter terrorism discussions between 2008 and 2014, the report said.
Overall, however, it found that all the decisions made by authorities, including the immigration department and police and intelligence agencies, were justifiable under the circumstances….
Of course they were! And who decided that? The authorities!
Ayatrollah says
Monis, who had been living in Australis since the 1990s, was the subject of several counter terrorism discussions between 2008 and 2014, the report said.
So for about 18 years he was cool. It was only the last few years that he had problems.
particolor says
And they have had about 24 Million warnings since about the Rest of the Barsteds !! đ
M S case says
Even if you get one warning You should pin the guy down right then……….use every means, legal and illegal to track him.
RonaldB says
This is the argument against any Muslim immigration at all.
Although there are peaceful Muslims, the proportion of Muslims who have an active potential to be terrorists (we won’t even talk about their fundamental incompatibility with a government based on representation and the support of individual liberties) is much greater than the non-immigrant population.
Security is expensive. The government has a certain amount of money available for active policing, and security intelligence, based on how much criminal activity there is likely to be.
The potential for security problems increases exponentially once you allow Muslims in. That mean, roughly, your policing needs are four times as great if you double your Muslim population. That is because the Muslims feed on each other’s presence: for example, the proliferation of “minor” problems like illegal parking around mosques, implied threats against non-Muslims in Muslim areas, covert threats of violence against anti-immigration meetings, and the political pressure exerted by Muslim interest groups against effective police surveillance methods.
After a certain point, effective police prevention becomes either very difficult, the cost goes up astronomically, or civil liberties are drastically reduced in an effort to somehow catch violent offenders in the net, most of whom are Muslim anyway.
The United States has avoided most of those problems, simply because the Muslim population is still fairly small.
If the Obama administration is able to push through its plans to bring millions of Syrian and Libyan Muslim refugees into the United States, we can look forward to having those very same problems, and civil liberties dilemma.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-refugees-20141211-story.html
And, surprise, most if not all of the refugees will be Muslim.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/u-n-sending-thousands-of-muslims-to-america/
JMB says
Just like ALL Japanese were interned following Pearl Harbour, ALL Muslims should have been interned or deported following 9/11 and they must remain interned until the terror stops.
Western Canadian says
Moral equivalence is a poor argument to make at the best of times…. And when done by an ignorant lout who makes historical errors while doing so, is even more pathetic.
RonaldB says
Well, actually, not all Japanese were interned: only the ones in California. The Japanese in Hawaii continued free, supporting the US and providing some of the highest-quality troops in the US Army.
In fact, there was a report that one of the primary reasons for the internment of the Japanese in California was, there was a small corps of actual Japanese spys among the Japanese-American community, and that due to the code breaking capabilities of US intelligence, they knew who the spys were. However, to arrest the spies would reveal the possibility that the US had broken the Japanese codes. The solution was to intern the entire Japanese west coast population, which would stop the spying without revealing US knowledge.
This solution was rough on the Japanese-Americans, but seemed to be a wartime necessity at the time. There was also a healthy dose of anti-Japanese sentiment, and not a little greed in California at the thought of buying the prosperous Japanese-owned farms at a steal.
http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7661/
In the case of a real shooting war, the very worst action a government can make, bar none, is to lose the war and lose control of its territory. In no way whatsoever will any citizens be better off if a government observes niceties, and loses.
I guess what I’m saying is, I fully recognize the loyalty of the vast majority of the Japanese-Americans, but still give support to the internment action.
I’m not advocating preemptive internment of Muslim citizens. I’m advocating stopping the immigration of any further Muslims. Muslim citizens would continue to have the full rights of citizens. A non-citizen of the US simply has no rights to citizenship, and the US is within it’s full rights to be selective whom it admits as a citizen.
Angemon says
Indeed.
Of course. The immigration policy should be revamped and measures put into place to screen for jihadis. Are you working on that, Mr. Prime-Minister? Or are such measures “islamophobic” or “discriminatory”?
See above.
Clearly.
I hope you’re not planning on going the “we need stricter gun control laws” route… If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
There’s no “radicalization” or “radical islam” – there’s only islam. The sooner you figure that out, the better.
KrazyKafir says
When there isn’t enough resources in a country to watch over the 5th column, disguised as immigrants, who’ve been allowed to invade, then you know there is a huge looming problem ahead.
Jeff says
Com’ on. The authorities just thought it was a bunch of racist Islamophobes calling in to have them harass a perfectly peaceful Muslim.
mortimer says
The ‘authorities’ have been told by the politicians that studying the jihad doctrine is ‘racist’.
They need to learn that an ‘IDEOLOGY’ of world conquest is not a race and SHOULD be studied and criticized.
TH says
Australia and the rest of the West if they had an iota of common sense shoould simply not allow muslims to immigrate to their countries and expell all of those who are illegally there. As for those who are citizens, if they are involved in Jihad and have second citizenship from som muslim country, they they should be stripped of the citizenship. They should also be offered money to return from where they came, as that would be cheaper and money well spent compared to giving them free housing and welfare, on which mos tof them and their 4 wives live.
Also, all imans should be investigated and if they are peaching jihad they should either be expelled or imprisoned and the mosque closed down. Likewise madrasses. If in this fashion life in Western countries is made inhospitable for muslims, many of the would probably accept the money offered to go back to where they came from or from where their parents came from. Others might just forget about Islam as they might not have any mosque to go to. Others might even convert to Christianity.
Of course the brainless politicians bent on putting the lives of those whom they are supposed to be representing in danger, will do none of this.
Edgar Allen says
“Lack of integration” is another lame excuse, much like poverty, lack of education, alienation, etc. I am surprised it is accepted among right-thinking counter-Jihadists. The Amish are VERY segregated, yet they are harmless. The Chinese have always segregated themselves. Ever visit Chinatown in San Francisco, or any other big city? They are nice tourist attractions, even if many who live in Chinatown will never speak English, or have any non- Chinese friends. They may live their whole lives inside Chinatown, but they are not a threat. The same goes for Hindu Indians, or Vietnamese, or Nigerians, etc The Muslim immigrants will be a threat whether you round them up in one Muslimtown, or scatter them all over. The threat comes from the core beliefs of Islam, not geographical distribution.
Beagle says
18 calls? A one followed by an eight people saw fit to warn the authorities about this guy and he was not being watched because there are thousands just as bad?
Gee, I sure hope the economy creates more great jobs for theocratic homicidal madmen soon.
katnis says
Kind of makes you wonder why they keep letting them in, hmmm?
particolor says
I’m glad You said “They” Do You get the feeling “They” don’t like us any more ?
Universal Khalifah Is Here says
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Mo says
@ Universal Khalifah
No one can read/understand your vulgar and psychotic wall of SCREAMING TEXT.
Let me guess? Are you a follower of the warlord, child rapist “prophet”, Mohammad?
Yes or no?
Western Canadian says
And yet another muslim valedictorian generously comes by to recite his graduation speech for us!! Which tells us all we need to know about the true islam.
particolor says
Nice letter ! đ You should get an A+ for that in the Madrassa !!
Linda Rivera says
Our wicked traitor leaders prefer that thousands, even millions of our people die in attacks, than offend one Muslim.
Our leaders need to step down and let patriotic, REAL MEN take over.
Mo says
@ Linda Rivera
“Our wicked traitor leaders prefer that thousands, even millions of our people die in attacks, than offend one Muslim.
Our leaders need to step down and let patriotic, REAL MEN take over.”
Amen to that!
particolor says
He’s following an old American saying !!… “If Ya cant Lick Em ! Join Em !” đ
Mo says
@ particolor
“Heâs following an old American saying !!⌠âIf Ya cant Lick Em ! Join Em !â :-(”
If it was just affecting him, I wouldn’t care. But he’s dragging the rest of us down with him!
particolor says
A Rip in the Surf doesn’t care Who it drags Down !! đ
Mo says
@ particolor
“A Rip in the Surf doesnât care Who it drags Down !! :-(”
Sadly true. And you do have a way with words!
particolor says
A wayward word is a Restless Word !!
PC 2015
particolor says
Where the Lone Ranger ?
AH ! Forget it !
Where’s The Magnificent Seven ? đ
DJM says
All the victims and their families should sue the city and the country for not acting to prevent the terrorist act. If muslims can pressure governments into appeasement with financial jihad, so should non-muslims. Make allowing islamic terrorists to reside in the west too expensive for the government. Maybe then they will clamp down.