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Dalai Lama: Unfair to associate terrorism with Islam

Feb 1, 2015 1:34 pm By Robert Spencer

Dalai LamaTerrorism should not be associated with Islam, says the Dalai Lama, because all Muslims are “neither terrorist nor its sponsorer.” Sponsorer? Anyway, the Dalai Lama is right that all Muslims are neither terrorists nor “sponsorers” of terrorism, but he says nothing about the texts and teachings of Islam. What if they contain exhortations to “slay them wherever you find them” Qur’an 2:191; 4:89; 9:5) and “strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah” (Qur’an 8:60)? Would it be unfair to associate terrorism with Islam in that case? The Dalai Lama doesn’t say.

“Unfair to associate terrorism with Islam: Dalai Lama,” PTI, February 1, 2015:

Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Sunday said that though terrorism has emerged as a global problem it should not be associated with Islam as all “Muslims were neither terrorist nor its sponsorer [sic]”.

Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Sunday said that though terrorism has emerged as a global problem it should not be associated with Islam as all “Muslims were neither terrorist nor its sponsorer [sic]”.

“Though terrorism might have emerged as a global problem, it was unfair to associate it with Islam as all Muslims were neither terrorist nor its sponsorer [sic],” he said here while addressing followers from 27 countries. He appealed to people to take resolve to message of peace and brotherhood given by Lord Buddha. Remembering Mahatma Gandhi, he said that end of terrorism is necessary for world peace.

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  1. Neil Jennison says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Like all pacifists who believe in the “innate goodness of humanity” , his heart is in the right place but he is utterly wrong.

    As history teaches us, mankind has the capacity for good and evil in equal measure….which is why Christ was so necessary, to show us the correct way. The exact opposite of Islam which show people the evil way.

  2. Ren says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    “…all Muslims are “neither terrorist nor its sponsorer.”” (Dalai Lama)

    He forgot to mention that all terrorists and their sponsorers are muslims… And I thought this guy was wise !

    • Jay Boo says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 1:53 pm

      (All) is maybe a slight exaggeration probably over 90 % though.
      The Dalai Lama may be speaking of the inherent nature of humans in general. If this is the case then he should have referred to Muslims rather than the ideology of ‘Islam’.
      Then again, it may be a defensive appeasement effort in hopes that by saying that Islam is not associated with terrorism, it might then come to pass that Muslims will pick up on the theme and act more peaceful in order to prove that they are worthy of the virtue.

      • Ren says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 3:07 pm

        Saying that all muslims are not terrorist thus trying to protect the peaceful muslims does not change the harsh reality which we are all living. Until Islam is undergoing a reform in whatever way, we are still facing the issue of violence perpetrated in the name of Islam. The problem is that muslims stubbornly and foolishly believe Quran conveys the words of Allah verbatim thus giving an utmost consideration to their holy scriptures. Not taking an interpretative distance from the supposedly sacred scriptures implies a lack of intelligence! So stop saying that all muslims are not terrorist… simply say that they are stupid.

    • Godwin says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      Why didn’t the Dalai Lama take his asylum in Pakistan instead of India ? Or why doesn’t he travel to those violence-infested Muslim countries often. He himself is too afraid of the many suicide bombings there and now he is talking bullshit. I thought he is a wise man but he turns out to be another moron.

      • Kevin Walker says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 9:04 pm

        He’s a worshipper of wealth. He dislikes the country & it’s people who gave them refuge. The town of Mcleod Ganj near Dharmsala in the state of Himachal Pradesh, India where his headquarters are situated and all the Tibetan refugees were initially settled local native indians are not welcomed & conflicts between two communities are frequent. His followers are not afraid of attacking even the local police. Many visitors to this town are never heard of again. Indian administration keeps mum on such atrocities committed by his followers because India is using the office of Dalai Lama as leverage against China on international stage.
        Another huge disparity I noticed in his attitude was that after the daily ritual of morning prayers are done he (dalai lama) comes out of his monastery to meet his followers, they wait in queue beginning with the ‘rich’ & famous westerners then are the common western visitors down to the Tibetans and the last down the queue would native indian devotees & officials.

      • PJG says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 pm

        Maybe because he was born a Muslim and feels some residual loyalty. Presumably his original family who released him to the Potala are still Muslim.

  3. Jay Boo says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    Reality
    Is it really possible to have dialog with the followers of Allah’s talking donkey religion?
    Muslims who only rest their feet on MO’s self-serving indignation do not any true moral foundation.

  4. Ren says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    …all Muslims are “neither terrorist nor its sponsorer.” (Dalai Lama)

    He forgot to say that all terrorists and their sponsorers are muslims… and I thought this guy was wise !

  5. Barguest says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    Barguest: unfair to associate any understanding of reality with the Dalai Lama

  6. rev g says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    Instead of making asinine comments, he should spend his time comprehending the quran, and its commands to believers.

  7. Dan says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    He’s right. It’s not just Muslims who commit acts of terror.

    But…

    It’s just that Islam has cornered the market on terrorism; pretty much monopolizing it.

    If terrorism were a product.

    Islam would be Walmart.

    Apologies for the analogy Walmart.

  8. Angemon says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama on Sunday said that though terrorism has emerged as a global problem it should not be associated with Islam as all “Muslims were neither terrorist nor its sponsorer [sic]”.

    Not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslims.

    Like Bill Maher said, “When there’s this many bad apples, there’s something wrong with the orchard”.

  9. Jay Boo says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    The Dalai Lama says “Islam, you had me at “(Salam)””.

  10. annieoakley says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    Very sad.

  11. Lawrence H Miller says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    It is preposterous to assert that most Muslims are not “radicalized.”

    The facts are that of approximately 925,000 Muslims in the countries of Indonesia, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Morocco, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan, the Palestine area, and even in France, Great Britain, and the USA, over 680,000 of them (the MAJORITY in the aggregate) hold the following extremist and radical viewpoints in varying proportions of their respective Muslim populations: Support official, strict Sharia law, blame the USA or Israel for the 9/11 attacks, consider “honor killing” of women sometimes justified, believe suicide bombings and civilian targets sometimes justified, have positive or neutral feelings about Bin Laden, and that cartoonists of Muhammed should be legally executed.
    (Source: Pew Research polls between 2009 and 2014 — according to Ben Shapiro (at, http://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg) you can find these results on the Pew website).

    Bless the Dalai Lama’s heart, but it seems he has fallen for the myth of Islamic pacifism . . .

  12. dave777 says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    Dalai Lama is like the Pope, worried the flocks will see flawed region for what it is, a farce and it will not just be Islam exposed for its submission and repressions of people.

    Fact is religion holds us back from evolving to a better human animal.

    • rev g says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      Yes, the history of those anti-religious nations absolutely proves your point…..NOT.

  13. Chai says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    With all due respect, I’m afraid his excellence is ignorant about Islam.

    Wirathu has a much better understanding of Islam.
    http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=9acfecd352e6

  14. somehistory says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    One can only truly understand Bible prophecy when it has been fulfilled and can be looked at from all sides. The prophecy of the beast from the sea and its image (Revelation 13;17;19;) has long been studied; now it is being fulfilled. People are falling in line to give worship…in varying degrees…to the beast and its image in order to keep *doing business*…buying and selling…and in an attempt to keep their necks intact even if it means losing their heads to insane thoughts. Integrity is in short supply as a result.

  15. cronk says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 2:58 pm

    The Dalai Lama is a politician and his position is quite dependent on currying favor not only with the Western political establishment but the MSM and upper middle-class whites(who form most of his followers outside of Tibet). So unless he wants to be blacklisted and lose his prestigious position he has to say a bunch of tripe

    • umbra says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      True. Aung sung suu chi was the daring heroine for PC press while under the yoke of Burmese generals. However, when she spoke out against ROP violence in Myanmar, she was immediately blacklisted.

  16. elle says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    Simple- he’s non-white and non-western and barely capable of understanding free speech. He wants borders and cultural preservation for Tibet but does not extend the same understanding to Israel or European countries. Like many non-whites, he resents Western Civilization.

    Why should I care about the Dalai Llama again?

    The pope and the catholic church need to shut and take care of their homosexual pedophile priest problem instead of defending Muslims.

    We need to realize most politicians and “leaders” like Llama will be PC and let us down.

  17. Mirren10 says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    The Dalai Lama is clearly not a full shilling.

    “Though terrorism might have emerged as a global problem, it was unfair to associate it with Islam as all Muslims were neither terrorist nor its sponsorer [sic],”

    I do wish someone would *trenchantly* ask this pie in the sky idiot, and those who mouth the same bullshiite, ”OK, if terrorism is a global problem, and we mustn’t associate it with **islam**, what must we associate it with ?”

    • Godwin says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 5:36 pm

      Better associate that with Tibetan Buddhism.

  18. Paul says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    It’s unfair to associate dogs with barking.

    • ECAW says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 4:11 pm

      And we shouldn’t associate Buddhism with enlightenment because not all Buddhists are enlightened.

      • Bezelel says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 4:59 pm

        ECAW, I dated a budhist woman for a couple of months. OMG!!! No she wasn’t enlightened. She may have been aspiring to be but like so many westerners experimenting with budhism are like Madonna claiming Kabbalah. I hope they get something out of it but how do we know that the Dahli Lama is enlightened? I have a cause for doubt now.

      • Paul says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 6:58 pm

        True. The ones in Burma sure are though.

  19. Avi says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    The Dalai Lama is just expressing his own religious way – in Buddhism, especially the Tibetan variety, one meditates on love, first of oneself, then of one’s family and friends, then of one’s neutral neighbors, then of one’s enemies. The problem with the DL is that he takes this too literally – he is an extremist in love and peace. He does not realize that there are people, notably the Muslims, who have quite another world-view – one in which people are enjoined to hate and kill strangers who have done nothing to them, just out of general principle. His extremism has already lost Tibet to his people. Now he apparently wants Western nations to capitulate to Islam. He obviously knows nothing about Islam – the real Islam, not the sugar-coated takkiya version peddled by Muslims and their media accomplices.

  20. WestwardHo says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    In life, you need to stick to what you know.

  21. steve brown says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    This depends upon ones perception of Islam. If a person being stung by 100 killer bees dies believing that he is not being killed by bee venom, but rather that the repeated deadly stings are the result of misdirected flower pollination, well that is his or her perception. However, regardless of the dying mans perception, he will suffer an agonizing convulsive death from recieving a multitude of poisenous bee stings.

  22. More Ham Ed says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    Islam seems to need alot of outside help, PR, apologetics, excuse-making, whitewashing, laundering, sugercoating, etc. with about a 100,000 to 1 ratio as compared to other faiths.

  23. Nicu says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    As a Buddhist I can only shake my head that he says that . How can he be so blind ???

    • 米樂 says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      Really. He must be trying to ingratiate some of his left-leaning donors/supporters. It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it for freedom. As a Tao cultivator, I am also disappointed in the saccharine codswallop we must deal with from time to time in the name of “peace.”

  24. mgoldberg says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    And the Dalai Lama is wrong… as all germans were not people who people who put jews in ovens, but their overwhelming support of the Nazi party them them as co conspirators in more than symbolic ways.
    The muslims who support sharia are co conspirators in the tyranny of Islam. And for the record: I guarded the Dalai Lama’s door when he came to visit america in the late 70’s. And the Lama, the gentlemen abbot of the monastery personally told me that Islam was ‘a devil’s religion’ which was the beginning of the notion that maybe there was something I ought to become knowledgeable about- although it took me years to get the hint.

  25. Peggy says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Sure, not all are extremists but enough of them are and we can’t pretend otherwise.
    They don’t all have to be willing to kill you but when majority support them in that we have a huge problem. Who else is going to stop them? Certainly not the other “peaceful Muslims” we hear so often about.

  26. boer says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    I can’t fathom what he says sometimes. But he is a Dzogchen master and a Kalachakra master. Read what the Kalachakra Tantra says about Islam …

    He’s renounced political power but he is still seen as the leader of his people, and they are still a weak and brutalized people. He’s not in the business of making their lives more precarious.

  27. ApolloSpeaks says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    THE DALAI LAMA IS AN ENLIGHTENED MAN

    on the subject of Buddhism. But when it comes to Islam too much of his consciousness dwells on his Root Chakra-the lowest of the seven psychic chakras located between the anus and genitals.

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

    • Kevin Walker says

      Feb 1, 2015 at 9:17 pm

      The various versions of Buddhism prevalent in the world are far, far away from the teachings of it’s founder Siddhartha Gautama. What we see today is a fusion of some Buddhist teaching mixed with traditions & religions.

      • ApolloSpeaks says

        Feb 1, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        You’re correct. The Tantrayana Buddhism of Tibet (not simple meditation) was taken from the Hindus.

  28. Kevin Walker says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    That’s the reason a person should keep his religion (I don’t count islam as religion) to his heart & life AND stay away from any religious/spiritual leader.

  29. Peter says

    Feb 1, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    Clearly, the Dalai Lama is ignorant of the Muslim track record of extinguishing Buddhism from Central, South, and Southeast Asia. The Muslim formula for unbelieving, polytheistic and idolatrous Buddhists is forced conversion or death. No compassion or mercy there.

    • Lee says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 5:12 am

      Wish I could give ten thumbs up – so well said. The Lama’s validation for Islamofascism – in the face of all that people are suffering, and have suffered in the past because of its criminal incitement – makes me want to bitch-slap that smug grinning cretin into next week.

    • Greg says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 9:20 pm

      Foolish statements like “unbelieving, polytheistic and idolatrous Buddhists” only shows your ignorance of Buddhism and weakens our argument against Islam. Focus on the individual, not Buddhism. Didn’t you learn anything from Alinsky?

      • voegelinian says

        Feb 3, 2015 at 12:16 pm

        He was being sarcastic, describing Buddhists as Muslims must describe them, given their fanatically hateful Islam.

  30. William Lucas HarveyJr. says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 12:28 am

    ‘Dalai Lama: Unfair to associate terrorism with Islam”

    Sounds like the ‘Delai Lama’ is right in line with the Obama Admistration’s typical ‘Muslim, Islamic, Jihadist, Denial, Apologist, Head in the Sand, Pandering Excuses’.

    1. The ‘Bloody’ Terrorists ARE PROVEN Islamic.
    2. Islam wants a World Islamic ‘Caliphate’.
    3. Islam wants to KILL ANYONE that doesn’t “Convert’ to ISLAM.
    4. Islam tolerates NO other TRUE Religion EXCEPT Islam (which ISN’T actually a ‘Religion’ – see Item #6 Below).
    5. Islam literally means Submission, is Antithetical to the U.S. Constitution, and is NOT protected under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
    6. Islam: “Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations – the conquest and administration of territory.” http://newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/100100/sec_id/100100
    7. Islam uses “Taqiyya (Deception)” and “Kitman (Lying)”, to advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
    8. Ialam wants to KILL anyone belonging to ANY Religion OTHER than Islam, and take over or burn their Churches and Houses of Worship.

    • Godwin says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 2:01 am

      This idiot had his head buried in the Gobi desert. No amount of explaination can awaken him. “see no evil, hear no evil and do no evil” another proverbal monkey ?

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 9:53 am

      A UTTER FOOLISH William Lucas HarveyJr.

      #Islam wants to KILL ANYONE that doesn’t “Convert’ to ISLAM.PLZ PROVE U’R NONSENSE COMMENTS WITH EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC AUTHORITY

      2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.
      2: 272. Not upon you (Muhammad SAW) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.
      4:28 “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
      over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).
      5: 92. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or Al¬Ansâb, or Al¬Azlâm, etc.) and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger’s duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.
      6: 48. And We send not the Messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believes and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.

      6: 66. But your people (O Muhammad SAW) have denied it (the Qur’ân) though it is the truth. Say: “I am not responsible for your affairs.”

      67. For every news there is a fact, i.e. for everything there is an appointed term (and it is also said that for every deed there is a recompense) and you will come to know.

      68. And when you (Muhammad SAW) see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses (of the Qur’ân) by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic. And if Shaitân (Satan) causes you to forget, then after the remembrance sit not you in the company of those people who are the Zâlimûn

      # Islam uses “Taqiyya (Deception)” and “Kitman (Lying)”

      6:152 ………..We burden not any person, but that which he can bear. And whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence, etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill the Covenant of Allâh, This He commands you, that you may remember.
      33: 70. O you who believe! Keep your duty to Allâh and fear Him, and speak (always) the truth.
      Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6307,6308,6309
      It is obligatory for you to tell the truth, for truth leads to virtue and virtue leads to Paradise, and the man who continues to speak the truth and endeavours to tell the truth is eventually recorded as truthful with Allah, and beware of telling of a lie for telling of a lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell-Fire
      Malik :: Book 56 : Hadith 56.7.16
      Malik related to me that he heard that Abdullah ibn Masud used to say, “You must tell the truth. Truthfulness leads to right action. Right action leads to the Garden. Beware of lying. Lying leads to corruption, and corruption leads to the Fire. Don’t you see that it is said, ‘He speaks the truth and acts rightly,’ and, ‘He lies and is corrupt.’
      72:14. And among us are Muslims and among
      us are the unjust. And whoever has become Muslim –
      those have sought out the right course.

      15. But as for the unjust, they will be, for Hell, firewood.’
      4: 112. And whoever earns a fault or a sin and then throws it on to someone innocent, he has indeed burdened himself with falsehood and a manifest sin.
      20: 61. Mûsa (Moses) said to them: “Woe unto you! Invent not a lie against Allâh, lest He should destroy you completely by a torment. And surely, he who invents a lie (against Allâh) will fail miserably.”

      • ayatollahowmany says

        Feb 2, 2015 at 10:33 am

        You need a brain transplant- the one you have is broken.

        Old Shabeer finds a new place to cut-n-paste his muslim faecal matter. He is overflowing with islamic sh*t; for allah is all-knowing, full of it.

        e.g.–“2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion”
        or, — Mujahid said, “This was before the Apostle of God was commanded to fight against the People of the Book. God’s saying, ‘There is no compulsion in religion’ was abrogated and he was commanded to fight against the People of the Book in Surat Bara‘ah” (Q. 9:29).

        • JP Sundharam says

          Feb 3, 2015 at 9:09 pm

          ayatollahowmany,
          Let us understand how Muslims understand verse 2:256 of the Quran:
          [a] According to Tafsir Ibn Kathir (a universally accepted leading exegesist of Quran and apologist of Islam) he clarifies this ayah:
          Allah says: “There is no compulsion in religion”, meaning: do not force anyone to embrace Islam, because it is clear and its proofs and evidences are manifest. Whoever Allah guides and opens his heart to Islam has indeed embraced it with clear evidence. Whoever Allah misguides blinds his heart and has set a seal on his hearing and a covering on his eyes cannot embrace Islam by force…hence Allah revealed this verse. BUT, THIS VERSE IS ABROGATED BY THE VERSE OF “FIGHTING…THEREFORE, ALL PEOPLE OF THE WORLD SHOULD BE CALLED TO ISLAM. IF ANYONE OF THEM REFUSES TO DO SO, OR REFUSES TO PAY THE JIZYA THEY SHOULD BE FOUGHT TILL THEY ARE KILLED. THIS IS THE MEANING OF COMPULSION. In the Sahih, the Prophet said: “Allah wonders at those people who will enter Paradise in chains”, meaning prisoners brought in chains to the Islamic state, then they embrace Islam sincerely and become righteous, and are entered among the people of Paradise.

          So do not quote abrogated (naskh) verses in this discussion unless it is for the purposes of Taqiyya-deceit in which case you become a fraud and untruthful.

          [b] If there is no compulsion in religion then why does Islam command apostates be killed? Should not Islam permit apostates free to go their way? We know that Islamic law on Apostasy is based on the sunna of Muhammad, the actions of the Caliphs and other companions. Muslims should also recall Islam’s history of the reasons of “Riddah (apostasy) wars”. Rejecting even one of the pillars of Islam is considered to be a crime warranting war against such people, hence it is only logical for the prescribed punishment for apostasy in Islam to be death. All four schools (Hanafi, Shafii, Maliki, and Hanbali) of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement with this ruling, with only slight variations on whether to allow the grace period.

          [c] If there is no compulsion in religion then why Islam permits hitting of children if they do not learn to pray. Here are two authentic hadiths on this topic:
          >> Narrated As-Saburah: The Prophet said: Command a boy to pray when he reaches the age of seven years. When he becomes ten years old, then beat him for prayer. [Abu Dawud 2:494]
          >> Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As: The Apostle of Allah said: Command your children to pray when they become seven years old, and beat them for it (prayer) when they become ten years old; and arrange their beds to sleep separately. [Abu Dawud 2:495]

          [d] If religion is not a matter of compulsion then why does Allah make the commands like:
          >> And WHOEVER SEEKS A RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM, IT WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED OF HIM, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. [Q3:85]

          Mind you Q3:85 does not read optional and when we combine such verses with those like the following then it become down right frightful to Kafirs folk:
          >> So, when you fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause, THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE SMITE AT THEIR NECKS TILL WHEN YOU HAVE KILLED AND WOUNDED MANY OF THEM, THEN BIND A BOND FIRMLY (i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter is the time either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. THUS YOU ARE ORDERED BY ALLAH TO CONTINUE IN CARRYING OUT JIHAD AGAINST THE DISBELIEVERS TILL THEY EMBRACE ISLAM (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection, but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them without you. But He lets you fight, in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost, [Q47:4]

      • rev g says

        Feb 2, 2015 at 1:54 pm

        It seems we have a situation where there is slinging of quranic verses going on. Since you seem to claim scholarship in that regard, Shabeer, please enlighten us and give us chronology around all of the verses being offered for consideration, by both correspondents. In this manner we can compare and see who is being honest and truthful, and who is a useless liar.
        Around here the concept of abrogation is understood.

      • Angemon says

        Feb 2, 2015 at 5:42 pm

        The copy/paste artist posted:

        “PLZ PROVE U’R NONSENSE COMMENTS WITH EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC AUTHORITY”

        The last time I did that, you ended the conversation by saying that Al-Tabari was not valid.

        From my experience, there are only two possible outcomes when replying to your request of “EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC AUTHORITY”:

        1 – You stop replying, meaning that you knew very well that what was said was true and you were hoping that the other party couldn’t back it up

        2 – You declare that the islamic authority quoted is “NOT VALID”, and stop replying

      • IQ al Rassooli says

        Feb 3, 2015 at 4:32 am

        shabeer, you really are a very STUPID cretin thinking that after 911, most people are as ignorant of Islam as you think they are

        Being a Muslim allows you to DECEIVE all none Muslims with Taqiyyah (Religiously sanctioned deception)

        It cannot work any more since millions of people KNOW about Abrogating & Abrogated verses that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Allah is most certainly NOT God (too stupid to be one) and hence all of the Quran was composed entirely from the secretions of Muhammad’s warped mind claiming them to be from Allah the PAGAN supreme god of Arabia!

        The days of Islam are numbered as more and more people WAKE up to its existential threat to ALL 80% of humanity that is NOT Muslim

        IQ al Rassooli
        Kafir & Proud!

  31. Louise from Canada says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 12:31 am

    Another stupid idiot! Are they all brainwashed or what?

  32. Beagle says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 12:36 am

    Every single negative stereotype I believe about Islam came from reading Muslims themselves or critics like RS quoting Muslims. How could I be bigoted against a religion I knew almost nothing about until 2000?

    I miss not knowing or caring about Islam. But I reject willful ignorance on principle. Even when ignorance is pushed by an oppressed and mostly admirable holy man who advocates peace.

    • ConnectingDots says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      Well said.

  33. William Lucas HarveyJr. says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 1:12 am

    Additionally:

    1.Islams “Islamists” ARE doing EXACTLY what is DICTATED by “Allah” and “Mohammed”, in their OWN “Holy Book’ the “Quran”.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 10:25 am

      William Lucas
      THIS IS THE LAW OF ISLAM
      5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
      Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 159 ,160
      Ubaidullah b. Abu Bakr said: I heard Anas b. Malik saying: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) talked about the major sins, or he was asked about the major sins. Upon this he observed: Associating anyone with Allah, killing of a person, disobedience to parents. He (the Holy Prophet further) said: Should I not inform you about the gravest of the major sins, and (in this connection) observed: False utterance or false testimony. Shu’ba said. It was most probably” false testimony”.
      17: 33. And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
      25: 68. And those who invoke not any other ilâh (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

      mortimer
      ‘Muslims’ do not define Islam.

      TAKE THE NOTE BOOK & PEN WRITE 100 TIMES
      What is Islam?
      The Arabic word ‘ Islam’ stands for ‘Submission’ or ‘Peace’. In a religious context, it implies the peace that reaches out to one when one completely submits oneself to the will of Almighty God. This is achieved only when the individual acts in accordance with the direction of his Creator in all spheres of life.
      MORTIMER A FOOLISH CRITICIZER BECS HE DON’T KNOW EVEN THE DETENTION OF ISLAM,I THINK RELIGIOUS CRITICIZE NOT SUITED FOR HIM,& I THINK TOILET CLEANING BETTER JOB FOR HIM……
      # Mullahs interpret the doctrines of Mohammed for Muslims.
      Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
      Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.”
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 415
      Narrated Humaid:
      I heard Muawiya bin Abi Sufyan delivering a sermon. He said, “I heard the Prophet saying, “If Allah wants to do a favor to somebody, He bestows on him, the gift of understanding the Quran and Sunna. I am but a distributor, and Allah is the Giver. The state of this nation will remain good till the Hour is established, or till Allah’s Order comes.”

      • Angemon says

        Feb 2, 2015 at 5:45 pm

        shabeer_hassan posted:

        “THIS IS THE LAW OF ISLAM
        5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel
        ”

        So islam is doing what was told to Jews in the OT? ROFL! You might as well convert to Judaism and save yourself the trouble of trying to defend the mad ravings of a murderous, rapist, pedophile highway robber.

        • JP Sundharam says

          Feb 3, 2015 at 9:15 pm

          Angemon,
          Muslims quote 5:32 but not in context of the next two ayahs (verses which are solely directed to the Muslims):
          >> THE RECOMPENSE OF THOSE WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER AND DO MISCHIEF IN THE LAND IS ONLY THAT THEY SHALL BE KILLED OR CRUCIFIED OR THEIR HANDS AND THEIR FEET BE CUT OFF ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES, OR BE EXILED FROM THE LAND. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter. EXCEPT FOR THOSE WHO HAVING FLED AWAY AND THEN CAME BACK AS MUSLIMS WITH REPENTANCE BEFORE THEY FALL INTO YOUR POWER; in that case, know that Allah is OftForgiving, Most Merciful. [Q5:33-34]

          So what started as a reasonably peaceful message (Q5:32) to the Jews, is in actual fact directed to the Muslims while it becomes a bone chilling warning to Kafirs [Q5:33-34].

      • IQ al Rassooli says

        Feb 4, 2015 at 4:30 am

        Shabeer you are an imbecile of the first order. You continue attempting to deceive many of the most knowledegable commenters on the internet

        You are outmatched at all times because of the cases of ABROGATION that fill 71 out of 114 Suras of Muhammad’s Quran

        In simple conclusion:

        Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna and 1.5 billion of his current followers are: Hatemongering Warmongering Racist Intolerant Duplicitous Disloyal Hypocrites Irrational Ingrates that infest every corner of this beautiful Earth

        ISIS is God’s last warning to an otherwise sleeping humanity to WAKE UP to the existential threat of Islam & Muslims to 80% of current humanity called INFIDELS whom I call UMMAT al KUFFAR (Nation of Infidels as perceived from the WARPED point of view of the followers of Muhammad such as yourself)

        Please continue trying to deceive us while actually hanging yourself in the process

        It is only a matter of a few more months before the WRATH of all of Unbelievers will visit all Muslims everywhere

        IQ al Rassooli
        Kafir & Proud!

  34. Sergio says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 1:29 am

    Maybe they are not sponsorers of terrorism, but a large number of them are sponsors of terrorism.

  35. bobm says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 2:26 am

    every time you open your mouth Mr. Dalai.. you further convince we lesser beings of the likelihood that you are pissing in the wind.

  36. gerard says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 3:23 am

    This guy is given a respect he doesn’t deserve. He just says whatever is popular.

  37. Lia Wissing says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 4:56 am

    No doubt he thinks himself in good company: Obama, Kerry, Cameron, Pope Francis …

  38. Xero_G says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 5:00 am

    Why is it that so many people make similar assertions about terrorism having nothing to do with Islam, but they offer no supporting evidence? Why do so many accept these assertions as truth when the Koran is available free online for all to read and discover the violent nature of Islam for oneself? Is the general public THAT ignorant, THAT lazy, THAT clueless that they would believe such nonsense without any curiosity to investigate Islamic doctrine or the biography of Muhammad for themselves?

  39. jewdog says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 5:47 am

    It is also unfair to associate appeasement with Buddhism. Witness Myanmar.

  40. mortimer says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 9:11 am

    1) ‘Muslims’ do not define Islam. Mohammed is the only authority on Islam.
    2) Mullahs interpret the doctrines of Mohammed for Muslims.
    3) Al Azhar University publishes the definitive rulings of the Islamic consensus.
    4) Muslims who ignore the rulings are heretics or non-observant ‘hypocrites’ (munafiq).
    5) 65% of Muslims (the majority support strict Sharia law), but only in theory, most are non-observant
    6) 15% of Muslims (a small minority) are observant, supporting jihad.
    7) 1% or less of Muslims are actual jihadists
    8) Most Muslims are not practicing Islam as defined by Mohammed, the mullahs and Al Azhar University

    • voegelinian says

      Feb 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      “5) 65% of Muslims (the majority support strict Sharia law), but only in theory, most are non-observant
      6) 15% of Muslims (a small minority) are observant, supporting jihad.”

      mortimer is pulling these stats out of his asymptotic ass.

      • Angemon says

        Feb 3, 2015 at 5:07 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “mortimer is pulling these stats out of his asymptotic ass.”

        Liar. You know very well mortimer is quoting from Daniel Pipes’ research. So much so you made a pun about it (Pipe Dream /Pipe’s Dream):

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/millions-in-paris-rally-against-nothing-in-particular#comment-1177969

        “The problem with mortimer’s Pipes Dream is that…”

        Pay attention class, special quiz for extra credits:

        1 – Why is the self proclaimed “doctor” lying about something he knows perfectly well, and that he should know we know, since he made his knowledge of it public?
        2 – If the self-proclaimed “doctor” lied about something this easy to disprove (not to mention the terms he claims to have coined), what else did he lie about?

        • voegelinian says

          Feb 3, 2015 at 6:04 pm

          Pipes’s ass, mortimer’s ass; still asymptotic ass. The more important point (which Angemon, of course, blithely glosses over) is that mortimer is making assumptions about those supposed stats:

          “but only in theory, most are non-observant”

          “6) 15% of Muslims (a small minority) are observant, supporting jihad.”

          How does mortimer or Pipes know which Muslims are really “observant” and “supporting jihad”? Have you idiots not been educating yourselves on the Stealth Jihad all these years?

        • Angemon says

          Feb 3, 2015 at 6:22 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Pipes’s ass, mortimer’s ass; still asymptotic ass.”

          As opposed to what? A lying ass? Like, for example, this one:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/saudi-king-abdullah-is-dead/comment-page-1#comment-1185295

          “voegelinian says

          January 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

          I hope Angemon isn’t under the impression that I bother to read his posts anymore…”

          More from the red-handed liar:

          “The more important point (which Angemon, of course, blithely glosses over) is that mortimer is making assumptions about those supposed stats”

          Nope. mortimer is making no assumptions. You lied about the provenience of mortimer’s numbers. And you were called on that, so now you’re pretending that what you posted, and that anyone can see for themselves, was not what you posted but something else completely different, much like Obama or Jen Psaki.

          “How does mortimer or Pipes know which Muslims are really “observant” and “supporting jihad”?”

          Where is mortimer claiming he knows which are really observant and supporting jihad? Nowhere, of course – you lied about what mortimer posted and now you need to lie more about what mortimer posted to cover your lying ass – because lying about what mortimer posted worked so well for you the first time, right?

          “Have you idiots not been educating yourselves on the Stealth Jihad all these years?”

          Stealth jihad was not on discussion – your lies were. You lied about what mortimer posted and you’re trying to salvage your lying ass by lying more.

          Which begs the questions:

          1 – Why is the self-proclaimed “doctor” lying about something he knows perfectly well, and that he should know we know, since he made his knowledge of it public?

          2 – If the self-proclaimed “doctor” lied about something this easy to disprove (not to mention the terms he claims to have coined), what else did he lie about?

          So, liar, you owe me and mortimer apologies.

  41. JP Sundharam says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 9:49 am

    Either the Dalai Lama is ignorant or like the Messenger of Allah is an unlettered fool. Or may be both.

    Some Buddhist from Thailand or may be Afghanistan (if there are any there) should help him understand the difference between a terror-terrorist and Jihad-Mujahideen/Jihadi.
    ► TERROR & TERRORIST: the focus of terrorist is to organize violence against any and all communities to effect political or other material gain. The motive is generally secular (i.e. non-religious). If it is random violence then it is just called terror.

    ► JIHAD & MUJAHIDEEN: the focus of a jihadi (short from Mujahideen) is also terror but now the focus is to push all Kafirs – non-believer, polytheists, atheists, pagan, disbeliever, Muslim hypocrites, infidel, Christians, Jews, Sabeans – into believing in Allah & Mohammad. Jihad has the following elements:
    • its a religious obligation (Q2:216 & Q9:111)
    • Muslims are to perform relentless violent-jihad against non-Muslims until all non-Muslims are vanquished (Q3:139 & Q47:35)
    • there is promise of a great reward (Q4:76) which include:
    ◦ guarantees of absolution from all sins (including, implicitly war-crimes) and immunity from hell (Q61:10-13)
    ◦ guaranteed entry to paradise immediately (Q3:195)
    ◦ those that survive will get war-booty (Q4:74, Q59:6, Q48:20-21, Bukhari: Vol 1 Book 7 Num 1331) of material wealth and sex slaves (Q4:24, Q23:5-6, Q70:29-31);
    ◦ quick victories (Q61:10-13)
    • is seen as a holy covenant between Allah and the Muslims (Q33:15, Q33:23).

    What Muslims are doing is called jihad. Why they are doing it is recorded in Q2:216 & Q9:111 of the Quran.

    So what we think is terror is actually jihad and Muslim antipathy for terror does often hide their sympathy for jihad.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 10:35 am

      # its a religious obligation (Q2:216 & Q9:111)
      PROTECTION OF PEOPLE,PROPERTY FROM THE ENEMY WHO COME TO THE ISLAMIC STATE WITH INTENTION OF KILLING,LOOTING & RAPING,200 OF COUNTRIES IS THERE ON EARTH ALL HAVE ARMY,NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES FOR THEIR PPL/LAND PROTECTION, ITS A LEGAL…..
      Jihad declare #####ONLY##### the people who broken the agreement/mischief land/terrorism/injustice
      22:39. Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers), who are fighting them, (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allâh is Able to give them (believers) victory
      8: 56. They are those with whom you made a covenant, but they break their covenant every time and they do not fear Allâh.
      57. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.
      58. If you (O Muhammad SAW) fear treachery from any people throw back (their covenant) to them (so as to be) on equal terms (that there will be no more covenant between you and them). Certainly Allâh likes not the treacherous.
      59. And let not those who disbelieve think that they can outstrip (escape from the punishment). Verily, they will never be able to save themselves (from Allâh’s Punishment).
      60: 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).
      42: 42. The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.
      9: 12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish – pagans of Makah) – for surely their oaths are nothing to them – so that they may stop (evil actions).
      9:13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
      4: 75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and rise for us from You one who will protect, and rise for us from You one who will help.”
      5: 33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
      42: 39. And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend
      themselves.[ avenge themselves in a just manner, restoring their rights and not
      3: 111. They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; and if they fight against you, they will show you their backs, and they will not be helped.
      112. Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allâh, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allâh, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh and killed the Prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allâh) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allâh’s disobedience, crimes and sins).
      Dawud :: Book 38 : Hadith 4357
      ……”The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Apostle and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution or crucifixion.”
      Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 63 :: Hadith 210
      Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
      The pagans were of two kinds as regards their relationship to the Prophet and the Believers. Some of them were those with whom the Prophet was at war and used to fight against, and they used to fight him; the others were those with whom the Prophet made a treaty, and neither did the Prophet fight them, nor did they fight him…….
      Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 176
      …………Sa’d said: By Allah, I would never kill any Muslim so long as a person with a heavy belly, i. e., Usama, would not kill. Upon this a person remarked: Did Allah not say this: And fight them until there is no more mischief and religion is wholly for Allah? Sa’d said: We fought so that there should be no mischief, but you and your companions wish to fight so that there should be mischief.
      Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 30
      It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.

      • Angemon says

        Feb 2, 2015 at 5:49 pm

        shabeer_hassan posted:

        “PROTECTION OF PEOPLE,PROPERTY FROM THE ENEMY WHO COME TO THE ISLAMIC STATE WITH INTENTION OF KILLING,LOOTING & RAPING,200 OF COUNTRIES IS THERE ON EARTH ALL HAVE ARMY,NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES FOR THEIR PPL/LAND PROTECTION, ITS A LEGAL…..”

        shabeer is defending the islamic state, an organization that came and killed, looted and raped in Iraq and Syria, claiming that the countries fighting the islamic state to prevent killing, looting and raping, are the ones killing, looting and raping.

        How many women have the american planes raped? How many land and booty have the airplanes looted? And who drew the first blood?

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Feb 2, 2015 at 10:48 am

      # violent-jihad against non-Muslims all non-Muslims are vanquished (Q3:139 & Q47:35)
      3:139 So do not become weak, nor be sad, and you will be triumphant if you are indeed believers.
      47:35 So do not lose heart and beg for peace while you are superior.
      Allah is with you and He will never deprive you of (the reward of) your deeds.

      BROTHER U HAVE SOME MENTAL PROBLEM PLZ CONSULT A DOCTOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE,VERSES NEVER SAYS LIKE THAT…..BUT ISLAM SAY
      People blood & properties, were honors and protected/sacred like Mecca:
      4: 148. Allah does not like that the evil should be uttered in public except by him who has been wronged. And Allah is Ever All Hearer, All Knower.
      17: 70. And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam, and We have carried them on land and sea, and have provided them with At-Taiyibât (lawful good things), and have preferred them above many of those whom We have created with a marked preference.
      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 67,105
      Narrated Abu Bakra:
      The Prophet said. No doubt your blood, property, the sub-narrator Muhammad thought that Abu Bakra had also mentioned and your honor (chastity), are sacred to one another as is the sanctity of this day of yours in this month of yours. It is incumbent on those who are present to inform those who are absent.” (Muhammad the Subnarrator used to say, “Allah’s Apostle told the truth.”) The Prophet repeated twice: “No doubt! Haven’t I conveyed Allah’s message to you.

  42. Vatandas says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 10:18 am

    “Unfair to associate terrorism with Islam.”

    I am just amazed that folks think that people are NOT Muslim who draw their inspiration from the Koran, the Sunna, and the Hadith.

  43. St. Michael Defend Us says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 10:39 am

    This man has been brought up to be the Dalai Lama since early childhood. I doubt he is able to think any thoughts or know any knowledge other than what he was taught. He has been sheltered, isolated, perhaps coddled, since childhood. He is certainly not a self-made man, and can only know and parrot that which is given to him. I would think he is just a figure head or mouthpiece of sorts.

  44. GKP says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 10:42 am

    Dalai Lama comments is simply an attempt to restore harmony . I’m surprised he used false statement and that is against the teaching of Buddhism . Truth is the basic pill or of Buddhism.
    Is he is the victim of Islamic propagandas of good and bad Islam as Pop and many other spritual leaders are ? But such statement cannot be expected .How these people are commenting without reading Qur’an.
    Muhammad was thief , organized criminal , murderer , rapiest , anti human , raciest etc. and Muslims are the followes . I agree all Muslims are not terrorist but all terrorist are Muslims . Only mass killing is not jihad but funding jihad or doing propaganda for hiding truth as majority of Muslim do is also jijad

  45. Truth says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 11:03 am

    Lama was relevant in 1980, but not now. I don’t think his nation has ever had a 9-11. I think if the Muslims get a chance, they’ll cut Lamas head off.

  46. Notta_allah_followa says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    This is like saying ‘it is unfair to associate planes with plane crashes since not all planes crash’. This is willful ignorance on a scale the west hasn’t seen before. We are unlikely to survive this slow suicide as long as the Left continues to own the debate and keep people in the dark about this threat.

  47. RM says

    Feb 2, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Yeah, well lets wait and see what they say when the followers of Islam start killing them.

  48. gail says

    Feb 3, 2015 at 2:26 am

    Before mohammed,medina was a jewish country,he came & invaded them. He killed,raped,maimed & forcefully converted & sent some on exile. Indeed,islam was founded on a foundation of violence.

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