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Denmark: 3 cops shot at blasphemy debate featuring Muhammad cartoonist, one person killed

Feb 14, 2015 11:23 am By Robert Spencer

Copenhagen shooting blasphemy eventUPDATE: One person is dead. On this day in 1989, the Iranian regime first published its death fatwa on Salman Rushdie, and the West responded with robust defenses of the freedom of speech. Now Muslims are killing people in the West over Sharia blasphemy laws, and the Western authorities are rushing to censor themselves and accommodate the thugs.

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This is unlikely to have been a random thing. The subject matter and the presence of Lars Vilks, who has a Sharia blasphemy death sentence on his head for drawing cartoons of Muhammad, make this likely to have been more freelance Sharia enforcement.

“Shooting at Copenhagen blasphemy seminar,” BBC, February 14, 2015 (thanks to Anne Crockett):

Danish police have said three officers were shot and wounded at blasphemy debate in Copenhagen where the French ambassador was speaking.

Two gunmen are said to still be at large.

Reports say up to forty shots were fired outside the venue in the Danish capital.

Controversial Danish cartoonist Lars Vilks, who has drawn caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, was also present at the debate, according to local reports.

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  1. John Alexander says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:30 am

    There’s a great piece on why a terrorist war is likely on the streets of Britain.

    The government has closed down free speech and made protesting Islamism illegal.

    What remains to do for somebody who’s not prepared to see their country disappear without a fight?

    It’s called “Warmonger” at:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/02/warmonger.html

    • ECAW says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      Yes, excellent article.

      Of all the likely straws that could break the camel’s back – rapes, halal, schools subversion, murders etc – I think my money is on increasing curbs on free speech. As the general situation gets worse ever more stringent controls on free speech will be necessary until either we are utterly mute and cowed or we explode.

      • voegelinian says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 3:14 am

        Both of you are redirecting the speculation on non-Muslims and the likelhood that they will snap into a “backlash”. All the Counter-Jihad’s attention should continue to train the spotlight on Muslim mischief (for to do otherwise, particularly in the absence of any tangible evidence, only gives fodder to the Sarsourians (if I may dignify her demagogic sophistry with an adjective).and their Useful Idiots.

        • ECAW says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 9:24 am

          Voegelinian – We are not just propagandists here, pushing a line for its supposed effect. It is quite legitimate to speculate about how things will fall out in the future whether we wish for them or not.

          Personally I don’t think the counter-jihad has as much of an effect in changing attitudes, Muslim or non-Muslim, as we might like to think. The real drivers in all this are the various atrocities and other insults to our societies carried out by Muslims. That’s what wakes people up one by one, then they come here and find confirmation.

          And a backlash, as in concerted response, hopefully through legal curbs, is absolutely necessary at some point. You know what the alternative is

          By the way:

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sarsour

  2. David says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Any bookmakers want to take my $10 bet the gunmen on the run are Muslim? I think not.

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworldnews%2Feurope%2Fdenmark%2F11413226%2FCopenhagen-shooting-during-debate-on-Islam-live.html&ei=W3jfVPykAtbW8gWl2IEI&usg=AFQjCNHpg4e2drrl7fkDHcLZVPJHOTJG9Q&sig2=THKIQOzQV73mLgyCxev9zA

    • duh_swami says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 11:59 am

      David…You think not? Thanks but you really didn’t need to confess…

    • cs says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      Just because they spoke Danish? It has Mohammedans traits all over it.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      Didn’t someone say, in a kind of Mafia-speak, “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”?

  3. Allan Mandrowski says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:47 am

    I’m expecting the moderate muslims to #hashtag for Lars Vilks and the dead coppers. *crickets*

  4. katnis says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:53 am

    The West uses civil debate to try and examine all sides of an “issue. The muslims (most likely) voice their “opinion” by firing 40 shots and wounding three officers. I see three key takeaways:

    1. islam does not mix with a free society
    2. muslims react with violence
    3. muslims have taken matters into their own hands, ignoring Western laws and processes

    • Always On Watch says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 2:04 pm

      Get ready for something like this shooting in Denmark here in the United States — sooner rather than later.

      • Ashley says

        Feb 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm

        I so wish I could say I disagree.

        But I can’t…

        • Always On Watch says

          Feb 14, 2015 at 3:16 pm

          Ashley,
          I take no pleasure in my assessment. But I am a realist. The West is in grave danger — yet some people keep looking for unicorns to take care of things.

    • Keith says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      I think you summed the situation up truthfully.

  5. Steffen Larsen says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:54 am

    One confirmed killed.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Feb 15, 2015 at 6:38 am

      Steffen

      If I recall correctly, you are Danish??

      If so: as our resident Dane here at jihadwatch, please accept our deepest condolences.

      I understand from later reports that the Muslim ghazi (i.e. terror raider/ sharia assassin) murdered one Danish policeman and one Danish Jew.

      I will hope and pray that the Danish People’s Party and the defenders of freedom such as Niccolai Sennels and Kurt Westergaard and Lars Hedegaard and the Free Press Society (I hope I’m remembering the name right) will be speaking up loud and clear in the wake of this attack, and that the eyes of many, many more non-Muslim Danes may be opened to the meaning and menace of Islam.

      Let Holger Dansker awaken!

  6. duh_swami says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    If it smells like a rat, it probably is a rat. But it is always possible it’s just a large mouse. With 40 shots fired it’s most likely a rat…Around here by the time 40 shots were fired, the area would be thick with cops and no one would get away…But over there is not here.

  7. mccode says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    No doubt it is just another episode of ‘workplace violence’ don’t you think, Mr Prez?

    • jihad3tracker says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      In the post about Mahmoud Abbas (right before this one) I wrote a different version of the following, but here we go again :

      EVERY ACT OF VIOLENCE BY MUSLIMS AGAINST THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS — SUNNI VERSUS SHIA — OR AGAINST INFIDELS IS A HATE CRIME.

      The Fort Hood murder of 13 people was also a hate crime — although politically correct, privilege-guilt, Islamophobia-cowards called it, as you mention, “workplace violence”.

      FRIENDS, LET’S START TALKING WITH ACCURATE WORDS. Islam is the origin of the vast majority of hate crime on our planet NOW, and every year since it appeared.

  8. Stefan says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    Mr. Lars Vilks is swedish, not danish as your article states.

    • sidney penny says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 9:09 pm

      It was the BBC article not RS article or comments that said that.

  9. Renee says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    Of course, mass immigration causes problems in Europe. But a more serious issue is the fact that the immigrants want to change the host countries laws and freedom of speech based on islam. People driving a VW Polo and having access to guns that powerful are not poor or economically discriminated. They are on a mission to kill.

    Can we call it a hate crime here? Or do we first need to consult the “Palestinian government”.

    • cs says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      You right. The fakestinian government, what Abu Mazzen says of this event in Copenhagen?

    • Renee says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:36 pm

      OK, gotcha! EU should probably do both

    • medina says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 8:27 pm

      If you think putting muslims to work in Europe is the answer, get ready for more violence. Their work is violence, and they labor at it constantly.

      That will never be an option.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm

      I’m afraid I have to agree with Medina here, Westman. No jobs program is going to “fix” Islam in Europe, because it is not jobs that most Muslims want.

  10. KrazyKafir says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    I guess the cops and the political elite will crap themselves, again, over this, and ban any “discussion” about Islam altogether

  11. Don McKellar says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    Gee, was anybody shot dead during the Scopes Trial? Or any other public debate that forced the acceptance of reality over religion? I can’t think of any — UNLESS they involve moslems. Now why is that?

  12. Holy Prophet APF says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    Now Muslims are killing people in the West over Sharia blasphemy laws…

    Perhaps the Infidels there weren’t listening: not only is it a capital crime to blaspheme the Holy Prophet Mohammed, it’s a capital crime to even debate whether doing that is ok.

    … and the Western authorities are rushing to censor themselves and accommodate the thugs.

    And the ruling Infidel elites understand the protocols Kabuki: do the dance, and don’t step on anybody’s toes.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:13 pm

      Speaking of the Protocols of Kabuki, in all likelihood the real crime at the Krudttonden Cafe today wasn’t the Sharia execution, which was a routine matter, but what was being said inside. I can hear them talking still, bouncing from denial to obfuscation to the the reliable old trick of dividing-by-two. From the Protocols of Zion to the Protocols of Kabuki, we are all Jews now. Except for the Moslems, of course. Meanwhile, we’re working to ensure that Iran gets nuclear ICBMs, which is ok because they say they need the centrifuges to build up their nuclear power infrastructure (there is no oil in Persia), and they need ICBM platforms to be able to protect themselves from Israel and America.

      They should hold these confabs in a more secure location, such as a Danish military base. That would be better.

  13. Wellington says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    Still tip of the iceberg stuff for Denmark and all of Western Europe. Will be as long as Islam, all of Islam, is not described in the negative, and even then there will still be a lot of trouble but at least then there would be clarity——-and hope.

    • Always On Watch says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 2:11 pm

      The ummah — a significant portion thereof — is rising as one man.

      Wake up, West!

    • EYESOPEN says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 5:00 pm

      Just remember, truth is “hate speech” to those who hate the truth.

  14. US Gov. says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    And now a brief message from your government;

    “You are free to say what you like as long as it is not the truth. The truth might offend someone.”

    End of message. Now get back to work you human resources.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      Thank you, Mr. US Gov, I understand. But a question to the Director of HR: does this mean that Mark Steyn will be charged a second time by the Canadian government, and that he will lose his case against the Global Warming-cum Climate Change hockey stick guy? And, will Oriana Falacci be exhumed to finally stand trial for her Islamophobic felony?

      • US Gov. says

        Feb 14, 2015 at 2:39 pm

        That depends on how much money we can get from court fees and fines. It also depends on how much money we get from the environmentalists. Finally all interested parties will have to buy an exhumation and reburrial permit for old what’s his face.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Feb 14, 2015 at 4:46 pm

          The exhumation would be in Italy, and they’re broke right now. So digging Oriana up outta the dirt to face the music ain’t gonna be cheap.

          By contrast, most of the expenses have already been spent on the trial of Steyn for telling the truth about the second most successful fraud in human history — Global Warming, er, I mean Climate Change — so there’s no reason to hold back there. The only outstanding task is to ensure that he’s found guilty, otherwise a whole lotta people are gonna be upset. And I ain’t talking Moslems here, I’m talking socialists. They’re a nasty bunch in their own right. Just ask 90 million or so dead citizens of the USSR and Communist China, they’ll tell ya.

  15. Georg says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    As Obama says, “Nobody should be killed for how they draw.” Oh wait, no, he didn’t say that.

  16. Anushirvan says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    Krudttønden, literally “The powder keg” is a cafe and music venue at Østerbro in Copenhagen, Denmark.

  17. Bezelel says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    I hope the man or woman they killed is made known and remembered. Art critics be damned, Censorship be damned and blasphemy laws be damned. How do the muslims get the automatic weapons in France and Denmark? They had police on site and it could have been worse without them, yet they still underestimated the attack. At least one of the muslims should have been hit.

  18. Always On Watch says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    On CNN about 5 minutes ago:

    “There’s no reason to believe that this is not an isolated event.”

    • Keith says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 6:04 pm

      Did they mention the other 25103 isolated events as well?

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 7:18 am

        25,103 (now 25,114). It was only a few days since it broke through the 25,000 mark, and it won’t seem long before it reaches 26,000.

  19. The renegade says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    It’s funny with the Muslim ‘Umm’ (legion) when someone picks up a gun and randomly kills them (gunman shoots 3 Muslims in US) they start “#muslimlivesmatter”.

    Same time Muslims run nuts killing each other in trying to prove which brand is more superior and killing the kufrs for fun as a bonus.

    I guess per the dictats of Allah and Muhammad a Muslim life is much more valuable than lives of others as Allah loves them and hates others.

    I don’t believe in this Allah, he is a demon/ Satan and a fake creation of this gangster named Muhammad.

    Why would a parent hate one child and love the other more? Children are equally loved by all parents even the imperfect ones, this proves Islam is LIE!

    Further more, every violent act Muslims commit in the name of Muhammad, is Muhammad=ALLAH?

    Islam is a slave cult and not a religion. Religion by definition is belief in God and not a person/ human. Belief in a human personality is a cult.

    ALLAH IS MASTER AND MUHAMMAD IS SLAVE. If ALLAH IS SATAN, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE MUHAMMAD? any guesses?

    Best answers win a jackpot prize of LIFETIME SUPPLY OF RED PILLS!!!

    TAKE RED PILL AND WAKE UP DEAR MUSLIMS FROM YOUR DREAMS OF ATTAINING PARADISE BECAUSE IF YOU CONTINUE ON THE CURRENT PATH SATAN’S FALSE PARADISE AWAITS YOU BEFORE YOUR ETERNAL PUNISHMENT.

    • Ed says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 6:01 pm

      Demon.
      As a matter of fact, at the beginning MadMoe himself thought that satan was speaking to him, but his wife convinced him that it wash’t the case. So he goes on doing satan’s work.
      Question: Was his wife a qualified satanist to make such assessment?
      I don’t think so, just look at the evidence.

      • Diana says

        Feb 14, 2015 at 10:01 pm

        Khadija wasn’t a Satanist but she was a blind guide of the blind.

        She had rejected the traditional Arabian religion a few years earlier and was desperately seeking something to fill the gap. She thought there might be something in monotheism (two of her cousins were Christians) and, since she was illiterate, she preferred a live prophet to the writings of a dead one.

        From beginning to end, her hopes for Paradise were based on a doctrine of salvation by works.

        That was Khadija’s tragedy. She couldn’t see her own flaws. She opposed the murder of infants because she was too wealthy to understand why killing babies was a real temptation for the poor; yet she left her own nieces to languish in slavery to a cruel owner when she could have well afforded to ransom them. She naively told Muhammad that he was safe from Satan because he was “good”. And so she launched on the world a naïve theology of self-justification.

        She couldn’t recognise the voice of Satan because she didn’t recognise that salvation by works is the very essence of Satanism.

        • Rezali Mehil says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 7:21 am

          Please don’t speak of Khadija like this!!

          She was a woman of means , high intelligence, an excellent judge of character (look who she married) …she was the 1st convert to Islam…and generally is viewed as the mother of Islam.

          She saw Muhammad’s SAW visions for what they were ..Angel Gibreel was the conduit from which there has been no turning back …Allah SWT squashed all the other 300 odd dieties …humanity had to move forward …it has taken 1400 years …but now the world is at the cusp of becoming everybody’s faith (you too Champ).

          Where is the rejoice?..where are the firecrackers? …you have a new saviour ….this time one who cannot be ignored or sidelined …you cannot rewrite the Koran like you did the Bible….the quicker you come on board the quicker we get to world peace …it’s what all the ditty miss world women ask for .

          Khadija is to be thanked and revered not ..talked about in with the word Satan mentioned in the same sentence. …Please stop it !!!

          More Later…

          Rezali

        • Angemon says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 8:29 am

          Rezali Mehil posted:

          “She was a woman of means , high intelligence, an excellent judge of character (look who she married)”

          She married a psychopath.

        • Diana says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 7:12 pm

          Rezali, are you trying to stop freedom of speech? Free speech means letting people say things with which you disagree. Of course, you are also allowed to reply and explain your side of the story, even if we disagree with you. And you are allowed to walk away and not listen. But please don’t expect people to stop a discussion at your behest!

          My basic premise here is that Muhammad was not a real prophet. He was not a saviour. He never even pretended to save anyone from anything; he just told people what to do and threatened Hellfire if they didn’t do it. Then he brought the sword – slaughter and bloodshed that have not ceased for 1400 years. So there is no “rejoice” or “firecrackers” at his coming, for he was one of the most destructive people in history. He smashed the 360 idols in the Kaaba in an act of military conquest: not because his ideas were wiser than anyone else’s, but because his army was larger.

          You have summed up Muhammad’s attitude: “the quicker you come on board the quicker we get to world peace.” That is a horrific threat that Islam will only allow peace if everyone is a Muslim; as long as there are non-Muslims in the world, Islam will keep fighting the rest of us. That is not “peace” at all: it is just a culture of such intense fear that nobody dares protest. If Islam wants real peace, Islam must stop fighting.

          I have no wish to rewrite the Quran (which I have read). I am happy to keep it in its original form, because it proves that Muhammad was a false prophet. And anyone who knows anything about manuscript criticism knows that the Bible has not been rewritten either. Why don’t you read it and find out what it says?

          As for Khadija: she called Muhammad a prophet when he wasn’t one, which was not “intelligent”. Either she was a dupe whose deceitful husband had completely fooled her; or (more likely) she was a co-conspirator who agreed to deceive the rest of the world by falsely creating a prophet.

          Perhaps she assumed that creating a new religion for Mecca would be similar to running a million-dollar business (an area where she had experience); but it was not. At a superficial level, she might have had good intentions, for Islam was not violent during her lifetime. But people who invent their own religions are dealing with a much larger enterprise and darker forces than they realise. Whatever Khadija’s original good intentions, her audacity in creating God in her own image ultimately caused her to tangle with Satan.

        • Petey says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 2:37 pm

          To Rezali, Khadiya was a whore. Freedom of speech oh and of course Mohhamed was a peadophile, If you dont like it, call the Palestinian Authority and see if they will investigate me…lol

    • Keith says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 6:06 pm

      Actually Muhammed is Satan, Allah is a made up entity, a construct of the satan Muhammed.

  20. SpiritOf1683 says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Denmark – yet another country which abused the gift of freedom given to it 70 years ago by importing Jihadis. What was the reason for Denmark letting them in? What guilt did it have? Whatever the answer, they’re now paying for it in spades, just like everyone else who becomes terminally stupid.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      What was the reason for Denmark letting them in?

      Low birth rate. It woulda been best if we’d started trans-shipping our Mexicans there decades ago, that way everybody wins: the Aztecs and Mayans are pushed out of Mexico as racial inferiors by the racist Spaniards running Mexico City, they’re taken into this country to please the US Chamber of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal and the Democratic Party, they do their work, then they go to a Europe Arab Dialog-free Europe to provide a non-combustible substitute for Moslems as the stand in replacement worker population.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 7:21 am

        And this is now coupled with much higher birth rates amongst the incomers. That green line will be watched on all the demographic charts during the course of this century, and for all too many countries like France, Belgium and Sweden, that green line is looking all too worrying.

  21. Angemon says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    All I want to know is whether or not the “palestinians” are demanding to send their investigators to investigate this crime. Oh, wait, the victim was not a muslim and chances are that the murderers are muslims. It doesn’t really fit their narrative.

  22. Ed says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    The time has come for infidel armies to teach MuSSlims some respect.

    • The renegade says

      Feb 15, 2015 at 12:07 am

      @ed infidels are not united.

      Infidels debate human rights while Muslims think they have a birth right to kill infidels.

      Infidels believe if you do bad like killing a human, god will punish you, Muslims believe if they kill an infidel they will attain paradise.

      Infidels believe in freedom and equal rights, while Muslims believe infidels should be enslaved.

      Infidels=naive/ignorant/confused, while Muslims=cunning/deviously knowledgeable/clear.

      Infidels forget history, while Muslim children are told stories of Muhammad, Saladin etc. from cradle to grave making hatred a generation issue e.g. Hindu/ Christian children have all but forgotten the genocide perpetrated on their ancestors while Muslim children are constantly reminded of crusades / Hindu kings defeating Muslim armies in India.

      Islamic rule of India for a 1000 + years is a myth because they were never at any given time in full control of the country and always reached a compromise with the infidels for survival.

      Hinduism’s “live and let live” credo like Christianity “love your enemy” will be it’s undoing. Look at history of previous Hindu / Christian kingdoms that were lost to Islam:

      Syria, Iraq, North Africa, Eurasia (partially)

      Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia.

      Muslims are clear, when infidels guard down these guys strike.

      Infidels are unprepared, we represent a dangerously small minority who know the True nature of Islam.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 6:48 am

        Look , the situation is bad, certainly, but: hammering on or proclaiming despair and defeatism is a total waste of time, because all it does is play into Muslim hands by tending to demoralise the Resistance.

      • SpiritOf1683 says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 11:09 am

        More to the point, infidels have been steeped in political correctness and moral relativism for more than 50 years, and as a result infidels pretend Islam is a religion of peace and naively stumble into hostage situations because of this, unlike Muslims who know damn well and never pretend Islam is anything other than a religion of war.

  23. don vito says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    With all due deference and discretion, I must post “that this has nothing to do with islam”, as per our governmental elites. I am also most inquisitive as to semeru’s take on this report.

    • gravenimage says

      Feb 15, 2015 at 12:18 am

      Semeru, no doubt, would latch onto the fairly minor and inconsequential error by the BBC article in misidentifying Lars Vilks as Danish when he is actually Swedish, and would then imply that this error means that it is likely that the article is wrong about everything, and that instead of a story about Muslims brutally shooting cartoonists and panel members debating freedom of speech at a cafe and the police who were trying to protect them, that it might just as well have been homicidal Infidel cartoonists murdering innocent Muslims minding their own business down at the local Mosque—or some such bs.

      And if he can’t sell you one that, then he will try to tell us that Indonesia is actually much more liberal than Denmark is—and that if we don’t believe that then we are all a bunch of bigoted yahoos…

      • Jay Boo says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 12:31 am

        gravenimage,
        Really good explanation of Sumeru’s MO

  24. docgary1@me.com says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    2nd Copenhagen shooting
    At synagogue
    1 dead

    • Diana says

      Feb 14, 2015 at 10:05 pm

      First kill the free-speakers! Cf Kaab ibn Al-Ashraf.

      Second, kill a random, uninvolved Jew. Cf Ibn Sunayna.

      That’s what Muhammad did.

  25. The renegade says

    Feb 14, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    I dunno about Madmoe’s wife, way I see it – Madmoe=Slave of Gangster named Allah (satan), Madmoe wife=war booty of Madmoe i.e his slave, which means…..wait for it…

    Madmoe’s wife=slave of Satan.

    Elementary my dear Watson!

    • Diana says

      Feb 15, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      Your summary that Muhammad’s wives were his war booty was certainly true of most of them. It was literally true in at least four cases and metaphorically true for most of the rest.

      But Khadija? She proposed to him (against her father’s will). She was rich and he was poor. He had to work in her business. He wasn’t allowed to look at another woman. He frankly admitted that he had to obey her. She rewarded him with plenty of sex, pocket money and flattery, which only underlines all the more how she was the one in control. She encouraged him to call himself a prophet even when he was terrified of the prospect.

      It was only towards the end of her life, when Muhammad had 200-300 disciples who treated him like a King, that the tables were turned and Khadija discovered she had lost control of her husband. Even so, there is no evidence that he took control of her in the same way that he later controlled Aisha and the rest. It would be wrong to call Khadija a “slave” of Muhammad just because she was his wife.

      Khadija’s relationship with Satan would have been mediated directly, with no need to keep Muhammad between them. But was this a conscious relationship? While Khadija was horribly misguided, I somehow doubt that she was evil. The violence, plundering and rape-gangs, together with plots for world domination, all started after she was dead.

      • The renegade says

        Feb 15, 2015 at 9:30 pm

        @Diana great analysis! So Khadija bank rolled and acted as catalyst in the creation of this evil deviant.

        Curious did Madmoe lure her to fund his evil plans by design or was it just a coincidence that he ended up with a Sugar mommy like her? Can’t think of giving Madmoe the benefit of doubt on this one.

        • Diana says

          Feb 15, 2015 at 11:30 pm

          “So Khadija bank rolled and acted as catalyst in the creation of this evil deviant.”

          Yes, that’s pretty well exactly it.

          “Curious did Madmoe lure her to fund his evil plans by design …?”

          I think not, because he married her 15 years before he claimed his first angelic encounter. I don’t think it had occurred to him at that stage to start a religion. His ambitions in the 590s seem to have been firmly focused on their business ventures.

          “… or was it just a coincidence that he ended up with a Sugar mommy like her?”

          I wouldn’t call it coincidence. On one hand, there must have been many other people who had plans to found a religion or political movement but failed to do so due to lack of money. History only knows about the ones who succeeded. On the other hand, he was exactly the sort of young man who would marry money if he could, despite not yet knowing exactly what he would do with all the wealth. Look at the story of Islam’s origins, and you would expect to uncover a financial backer of some kind.

          We are told that every man in Mecca wanted to marry Khadija, so Muhammad was extraordinarily lucky to be the chosen one. I suspect that Khadija was on the look-out for a poor man so that she would be able to control him. Her first marriage, before she had made her fortune, was to a man wealthier than herself, and it didn’t end too well. Her second marriage, to a social equal, may have been a happy one, but she was definitely offering the man something that he wanted: he was a foreigner who wanted to become a Meccan citizen. (Yes, it was the Arab equivalent of a passport marriage.) So by the time she reached husband #3, I think she’d learned a few things about making herself the scarce commodity.

          BTW the traditional account that Khadija was a “much older woman” is probably wrong. She actually seems to have been only three years older than Muhammad. So I’m guessing she was physically as well as financially attractive, hence not so much a “sugar mommy” as the local “movie star”.

  26. gravenimage says

    Feb 15, 2015 at 12:30 am

    Denmark: 3 cops shot at blasphemy debate featuring Muhammad cartoonist, one person killed
    ……………………..

    This is just a month after the massacre at Charlie Hebdo. I had worried that the murderous Jihad thugs would have been emboldened by their successful slaughter, and would try to murder more cartoonists and other critics of the Muslim attempt to crush our freedom of speech—and here we are.

    I fear this will not be the last—and even more, i fear all too many in the West will react with their *own* demands that we surrender our freedoms to these murderous thugs.

    Je Suis Charlie!

  27. TH says

    Feb 15, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    Get this! The Danish police DON´KNOW what the motive of the shooting might be.

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