“The plan would promote an Islam ‘faithful to the values of the Republic,’ Cazeneuve said.” Good luck with that, Cazeneuve. There has never been such an Islam. Will you and Dalil Boubakeur be able to invent it? Let’s just say you will face stiff opposition.
“French Govt Unveils a Plan to Promote Dialogue With Muslims,” by Sylvie Corbet, Associated Press, February 25, 2015:
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve proposed a plan Wednesday aimed at promoting a better dialogue with France’s Muslim community, that includes training imams at university.
The plan would promote an Islam “faithful to the values of the Republic,” Cazeneuve said, insisting on France’s tradition of secularism. The creation of a new representative body would help Muslim leaders and French authorities address issues such as security, prevention of radicalization and preventing anti-Muslims acts, he said.
This body would meet with the government twice a year, on a model inspired by the dialogue the French government has had with leaders of the Catholic church since 2002. The French government also regularly consults with Jewish community leaders via the country’s main Jewish organization, the CRIF council.
The plan has been decided together with leaders of the existing French Muslim council, the CFCM, created in 2003.
It is important for the Muslim community in France to be able to count on “trained and well-qualified people to take out of (Muslim) religion all poisons of fanaticism and fundamentalism,” the president of the CFCM and rector of Paris’ mosque, Dalil Boubakeur, said Tuesday….
ECAW says
These sorts of thing are good news not because they will succeed but because they won’t and it will become increasingly clear to all just how little Muslims can adapt to the West and remain Muslims. I hope for increasing stark demands which will force Muslims to choose which boat they want to be in.
cs says
That’s correct, they must be on the spotlight.
WHY PEOPLE IS PICKIN ON US????
perhaps you have a record my boy….
terry says
“The plan would promote an Islam “faithful to the values of the Republic,”
Even with the best of good luck, that will never happen, promoting “an Islam that is faithful to the values of the Republic”.
With all the wealth of information that is present on the web today, about Islam’s doctrines, belief system, Jihad, Haddiths and Sunnah, it could be discouraging watching western leaders talking daily like in the above quoted phrase.
M S case says
Great good God in Heaven……………won’t these people ever learn.
FarmerMike says
Au contraire, ECAW. Cazeneuve is proposing a sensible step which has the potential to begin awakening the French public & gov’t to the very real danger that Islam is. True, we need to do more. This is only Plan A.
As Plan B, I propose we American JW Bloggers–right now– flood Congress with emails, demanding steps be taken to impeach Obama, on the grounds of his criminal association with The Muslim Brotherhood.
Why right now? Because Netanyahu is in town, about to speak to the Joint Session of Congress, unless they duck out. Netanyahu sees clearly, speaks clearly.
We need to back him up with clear messages to Congress from the US hinterland, demanding Obama’s impeachment.
Now is the time! If not us, who? If not now, when? If not impeachment, what?
Feel free to offer Plan C. And Plan D, if necessary…. Let’s not quit!
ECAW says
Do you think your emails will be read FarmerMike, let alone paid attention to? Your plan is as realistic as those here who think praying will have some effect. Neither our leaders nor God are listening.
The solution lies largely in the hands of our enemies since it is only increasing atrocities on our streets that will penetrate our leaders’ sleep. I hope there will come a point at which their dreams are rudely interrupted by reality and their platitudes about Islam are met with widespread derision. Then all will fall into place.
FarmerMike says
I cling, primarily, ECAW, to the First Amendment concept of Freedom of Speech helping to awaken our Congress as well as our citizens to the very real dangers we face. The US was born as an idea, a concept, before it was defended with guns.
Remember that it was the writings of Sam Adams & others, circulated through the Correspondence Committees of our pre-1776 revolutionary days, which bound us together as 13 coastal colonies & became a fledgling nation.,
Certainly, without the rifles of the Minute Men & George Washington’s leadership, we would not be in existence today.
We are presently under major attack, by the Third Global Jihad, and if we don’t take advantage of every opportunity to awaken our fellow citizens–especially those in Drowsy Congress & the Sleeping Media–we may all to quickly end up in the dustbin of Muslim history.
If not my emails to Congress, what do you suggest? That we simply sit back and wait for more jihadist atrocities to occur?
Without lifting our voices in a place that could matter?
Are we to neglect the weapon of “freedom of speech” to our Congress?
Whether there is a God or not, we must not be silent. It may even be we are “gods-in-the-making,” w/ speech being our primary tool.
Remember, this nation has been led by ideas more than once: First, it was woven together by ideas–from the UK & the Iroquois–and held together by the guns of the fighting revolutionary soldiers.
Second, these weary soldiers, after Yorktown, now encamped at West Point, NY, in 1787, drafted the even more revolutionary document–the Northwest Ordinance– which went so far as to completely abolish chattel slavery in the Northwest Territories. Guns did not play an active role in this revolutionary step, notice.
It was the idea of the then-resting Revolutionary War soldiers, to push Congress to improve upon the Declaration of Independence–by abolishing slavery outright in the Northwest Territory, including my state of Ohio– that motivated these idle soldiers, restessy awaiting the words of Congress.
And it worked!
Once more we must offer a progressive idea, as we restlessly await the awakening of a drowsy Congress.
We JW Bloggers can set the example, by flooding a sleeping Congress with awakening emails.
What have we got to lose? Only a nation.
What have we got to win? A stronger nation….
ECAW says
FarmerMike – Do you realise how painful it is for people like me to hear the details of the Rebellion hashed up like this? It was a great loss for us and a sad mistake for you – I understand that you are strangers to the civilising influence of cricket and still don’t know how to spell aluminium. Never mind, it’s all water under the bridge and we must bury our differences (again).
I set up a blog in hopes of trying to engage antis and neutrals in debate but soon found I was talking only to the converted so my hopes of what can be achieved by the likes of us has been modified. I definitely do think that the crucial change will be brought about by Muslims themselves, unable to restrict themselves to quietly subverting our socities until it’s too late. At some point I hope there will come a tipping point. In the meantime we have to try to keep the debate going until people are ready, one by one, to lift the trapdoor to the internet and discover what the MSM has been keeping from them.
Don McKellar says
All these fools are going to get are demands for an apology for “singling out” Islam over other religions! Weren’t they paying attention to that retard Cameron’s fiasco in trying to reach out to moslems in the UK???
jayell says
“French government unveils plans for “dialogue” with Muslims to promote an Islam “faithful to the values of the Republic”….Now, what’s that song about a ‘cock-eyed optimist’?
thomas pellow says
Meanwhile, Islamic al Jazeera in PARIS troday-
‘Sky News’-
“Paris Drone: Al Jazeera Journalists Arrested.
“The trio – apparently filming a report about mysterious drone sightings over the city – wind up in police custody themselves.”
http://news.sky.com/story/1434297/paris-drone-al-jazeera-journalists-arrested
gravenimage says
French government unveils plans for “dialogue” with Muslims to promote an Islam “faithful to the values of the Republic”
……………………….
Why would they want to do that, when they consider such values to be those of the despised “filthy Infidel”, which they want to see replaced with adherence to Islamic law?
Not that Bernard Cazeneuve and other fools won’t be able to find eager participants, of course—just that they will be Taqiyya artists eager to falsely whitewash Islam and lull the credulous Kuffar into a false sense of security…
FarmerMike says
@gravenimage: Might not Cazeneuv’s plan begin to draw French national attention to the hatre-&-violence-filled nature of Islam, thus begin to awaken citizens, politicians & media alike? Wouldn’t Caseneuve’s plan become a virtual national JihadWatch expose’ of the Koran?
Meanwhile, we in the US can do something else. I propose launching emails–right now– to Congress, demanding they begin impeachment proceedings against Obama, because of his criminal ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Why right now? Because Netanyahu is in town, about to address a Joint Session of Congress, if they don’t duck out. Netanyahu speaks clearly about the dangers of Islam. This–clear speaking–will be a new experience for Congress to hear.
Meanwhile, we JW Bloggers can launch our “Impeach Obama” emails from the hinterland, thus double-teaming Congress–from the front of the room, and from the back, or hinterland.
Some are bound to get the message, dontcha think?
We can’t let this opportunity pass. Now is the time. I’ve already sent in emails, twice, and a snail-mail packet of material, too.
And I’ve put TWO “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers on the back of my car!
What else can we do at this moment? What do you suggest?
cheekturner says
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve proposed a plan Wednesday aimed at promoting a better dialogue with France’s Muslim community, that includes training imams at university.
Dialogue with muslims is a one way street. They talk; You listen.
It is important for the Muslim community in France to be able to count on “trained and well-qualified people to take out of (Muslim) religion all poisons of fanaticism and fundamentalism,” the president of the CFCM and rector of Paris’ mosque, Dalil Boubakeur, said Tuesday…
Without the poisons of fanaticism and fundamentalism Islam ceases and the Koran would be about a third of it’s size and the ahadiths and “reliance of the traveller” become defunct.
What a waste of French taxpayer’s money. Whate a waste of Official’s time.
FarmerMike says
Hmmmm….You’re right, cheekturner: “Without the poisons of fanaticism and fundamentalism Islam ceases….”
So, there might be a bit of practicality in this French approach. Let’s hope so.
Myself, I’m gonna try some more participatory democracy, by sending another salvo of emails to my 2 Senators, & 1 Cong. Rep,, demanding steps to Impeach Obama because of his Muslim Brotherhood connections.
Might be an especially good time to do it, with Netanyahu soon holding Congress’ feet to the fire. .
Ben Verin says
If that dialogue includes Muslims throwing rocks, using hatchets, knives, bombs & guns against innocent children and citizens, and dragging dead bodies through the streets, that will work very well!
Loretta Pienaar says
ECAW, cheekturner, gravenimagge and jayell! Ditto! Spot on!!
thomas pellow says
Supplementary.
“Three Al-Jazeera journalists arrested for flying a drone in Paris after French capital was put on terror alert because remote control gadgets had been seen flying over landmarks. ”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2969031/Three-Al-Jazeera-journalists-arrested-flying-drone-Paris-French-capital-terror-alert-remote-control-gadgets-seen-flying-landmarks.html#ixzz3SnQKSXE6
Anglosaxon says
I havent read up on how long the spanish endured Islam before ridding themselves of this cancer. But I am despite everything, very optimistic that a mass swell of anti islamic feeling will mobilise and precipitate in a serious movement that will dwarf what the spaniards did the first time round. There are already movements in almost all european countries. At the moment they are associated with racist xenophobia but its only a matter of time before the dhimmitude of mainstream politicains will start to dhimminish. Although it willl get much worse before it turns.
Neil Jennison says
First thought is “why”? Given we are constantly told Islam is not incompatible with Western values.
Second thought…..I’d love to see this abridged Qur’an……with all the vicious verses removed……….presumably about 2 pages of A4………..I can see your typical Muslim accepting that!
mortimer says
Where is the ‘moderate’ Islam? Who teaches it? At what mosque? Do Muslims consider it heretical?
Is a reformed Islam possible?
Can Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve convince Muslims not to believe Koran 61.9 ???
“He it is who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth , that He may make it conqueror of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.” K.61.9
Is Islamic supremacism not normative Islam?
jayell says
Sorry, I may be being a bit thick here, but isn’t the Qu’ran supposed to be the literal word of Allah, dictated to his Messenger (who is reputed to have been illiterate????) and which may not even be ‘interpreted’, let alone ‘edited’ or otherwise ‘modernised’ or whatever? So any talk of a ‘reformed’ Islam is strictly ‘verboten’ before it gets off the ground? It seems that our nice, amenable liberal friends are clutching at straws trying to assimilate that which, by its very nature, can never be assimilated.
silvergreycat says
see also *Now We Have a Bad Islam*…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn_9QsPyYT8
gary says
Words, (Muslim extremists) can live by…..
Meaning…. What they’re doing, will NEVER gain acceptance by God. PERIOD!
Attempts at self-salvation guarantee nothing but exhaustion! We scamper and scurry, trying to please God, collecting merit badges and brownie points, and scowling at anyone who questions our accomplishments. Call us the church of hound-dog faces and slumped shoulders.
Stop it! Once and for all, enough of this frenzy. Hebrews 13:9 says, “Your hearts should be strengthened by God’s grace, not by obeying rules.”
Jesus doesn’t say, “Come to me, all you who are perfect and sinless.” Just the opposite. He says, “Come to me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.”
There is no fine print. God’s promise has no hidden language. Let grace happen, for heaven’s sake. No more performing for God. Of all the things you must earn in life, God’s unending affection isn’t one of them. You have it! You can rest now.
Max Lucado
Angemon says
So the islam you guys have nowadays isn’t? Gee, what a shocker!
More Ham Ed says
French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve is going to rewrite the unholy quran, the islamic conquest and war guide, didn’t think so. It’s been said that THE most successful war strategy is stealth and deceit. The unholy quran, I rest my case.
Salah says
As Sisi, the President of Egypt, is trying to do just that. Whether he succeeds or not is not the point. The real point is that he, as well as the vast majority of Muslims themselves, are waking up to an unpleasant new reality: Islam needs to be reformed.
And THAT is good because the slightest reform of Islam must inevitabely lead to its END.
Musims waking up…
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/01/egyptian-muslims-tear-up-quran.html
FarmerMike says
You make a good point, Salah. French Minister Cazeneuve, & Egypt’s President Sisi, may actually help begin a process of reforming Islam. Which may actually lead to it’s TOTAL UNRAVELING. That would be good news to us Westerners.
But I’m not counting on it.
I’m urging Americans to send in emails–right NOW –to Senators & Representatives, demanding they begin impeachment proceedings against Obama–particularly because of his strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I’m urging this NOW, TODAY, because Israel’s Netanyahu will be addressing Congress in a few days. And we all know Netanyahu speaks plainly, courageously.
Which will be a new experience for our Congress–to hear plain speaking that is courageous.
So if we US citizens barrage our Congress People with demands to IMPEACH OBAMA at the same time, maybe some of it will sink in, and begin to open minds.
Maybe.
What do you think?
The fate of the Western World hangs in the balance.
Salah says
You don’t impeach an illegitimate president, you arrest him.
FarmerMike says
Right, Salah. In the best of worlds, that is what we would do.
We don’t, unfortunately, live in the best of worlds.
I can’t even get anyone on this JW blog to agree on–or even comment on–impeaching Obama. Why? I don’t understand.
Any further thoughts?
Salah says
@ FarmerMike
Unfortunately many of us are still hoping elections will solve the problem. I disagree. Elections will bring more of the same.
The harsh reality is that the whole system is broken, both parties are corrupt, the old republic is dead. You don’t beat a dead horse; it’s DEAD.
What we really need is a MASSIVE popular uprising. Every single PC traitor must face trial for high treason and, if convicted, EXECUTED.
They’ve done it in Egypt, a Muslim country, and they’ve done it peaceably. Why can’t we? I have no answer.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-end-of-muslim-brotherhood.html
ECAW says
The trouble with popular uprisings, Salah, is that there’ll always be another one along next year. Once you’ve discarded the democratic process you’re only left with the democracy of the streets ie mob rule – and mobs are generally the plaything of shadowy figures or groups lurking in the shadows.
FarmerMike says
@Salah, I’m not arguing for routine elections. I’m arguing for a method of AWAKENING some or our CongressCritters, & fellow JW bloggers, by demanding impeachment actions of Congress.
I certainly agree that “we really need is a MASSIVE popular uprising.”
So, can’t a flood of emails into our Congress be a beginning PART of that massive uprising??
There is no doubt in my mind that we must go further than emails to Congress. But I see these emails that demand that Congress begin impeachment proceedings against Obama, as a step on the road to a Grand American Awakening. Can’t you see that?
We are the People. We must assert our will!
All of us on JihadWatch should be sending in emails to Congress, demanding impeachment proceedings against Obama.
Especially because Netanyahu is in town, focusing attention on the general problems that Obama is creating for America, Israel & the world!
If not us, who? If not now, when? If not impeachment, what?
RICHTHOFEN says
Quisling capitulators p*****g into the wind – again – prepare to get drenched, France!
Samson says
OK, plan A signed off but not in place, I think they’re going to need a Plan B very shortly.
FarmerMike says
Samson, yes, Plan A has some long-term merit, but we also need Plan B. I offer it below, & at several other places on the JW blog.
I propose that we in the US send in a blizzard of emails to our Senators & Representatives, demanding they initiate impeachment proceedings against President Obama, due to his strong ties to The Muslim Brotherhood, among other crimes.
Why right now? Because Netanyahu is scheduled to address a Joint Congress in a few days, and Netanyahu is a very clear thinker & very clear speaker–something novel for American politicians, whether in the Congress or in the White House. This will be a new experience for Congress.
If we JW Bloggers send in a “blizzard” of emails, demanding our Congress People take steps to impeach Obama, that will be still MORE clear thinking–from the “back of the room”–from us, the people in the hinterland!
Something has got to seep through the fingers tightly clapped over their eyes, dontcha think?
We need to do it NOW, while Netanyahu is in town. Right?
Mfundo says
I’ve been an ardent reader of JW, & usually largely agree with your analysis. I thought what the French are proposing is exactly what we infidels, who are sickened by Islamic obscurantism & barbarity, have been asking for. Opposing this novel idea of domesticating Islam would appear to mean that your problem is not with the aggressive version of Islam but rather Muslims. Let’s not stare at a gift horse in the mouth!
FarmerMike says
Yes, I, too, think French Minister Cazeneuve has an interesting idea worth putting into practice. Might help to unravel the tapestry of falseness that is Islam.
Meanwhile, we need to be putting an alternate plan, a Plan B, into operation.
The Plan B which I propose is that we Americans–right now, with Netanyahu scheduled to address the joint Congress in a few days–send in a blizzard of emails to Congress, demanding steps be taken to IMPEACH OBAMA because of his strong ties to The Muslim Brotherhood. We the People of America must learn to stand up on our hind legs and make our voices heard!
I’ve been advocating this plan for a few days now on this blog, with–so far–nary a single bit of interest! Not a peep!
So, I ask you, Mfundo: What do you think of this Plan B: A blizzard of emails from us JW Bloggers, demanding Congress begin the process to “Impeach Obama” because of his strong ties to The Muslim Brotherhood?
Or do you have a Plan C? I am very open to practical suggestions.
Jan Aage Jeppesen says
Reverse abrogation should solve the problem. The result will be a new and much slimmer Quran after removing all hateful talk and Suras obligating Muslims to wage jihad warfare against unbelievers.
The main problem will be to convince muslims about new and unknown revelations from Allah to support secular democraties. Maybe it can be done, for everything is possible for Allah.
I never say never! 😉
Michael Copeland says
This project is doomed: it is the Useless Waffle jihad, to tie up the unsuspecting kuffar management time with red herrings.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6697-the-battle-for-british-islam
Matthieu Baudin says
No, no, no! Opportunities for dialogue are always available in an open society; what needs to come first is for the State to assert itself by laying down parameters for Islamic conduct in French society. These of course will be in line with the interests of the citizens of the Republic. A detailed statement of appropriate and inappropriate behaviour needs to be set out so that practicing Muslims can see clearly what is expected of them and will then be in a position to decide whether to stay in the country or to leave to live somewhere else.
John Alexander says
The French have the best record in Europe in assimilating their Muslim populations for all the good it will do them. Even though many Muslims are doing well in France many more are going nowhere mainly because of the lethargy that Islam induces. The resentment of these failures of French society together with the toxic message of French socialists will give all the edge the fanatics neeed.
There’s a pretty good outline of the current state of France in a post at Ruthless Truth:
http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/02/marianne-yet-lives.html
Prinz Eugen says
If France has no classes in civics and citizenship (like the US used to have many many decades ago!),
how do they expect to first initiate this idea? Will they find a way to blot off the koran’s dictates? If 27% of moslems there adore the Hebdo killers, you can bet the REAL percentage is closer to 60-75%, maybe even higher. The unholy dictates of the koran trump any other laws, but our leaders insist on advocating, advancing and allying with islam, despite the deadly results evident throughout the world.
Khalifa Barak Hussein is anxious to get nukes into the hands of iran — he and iran must be stopped, but there is only the Hate-America Coalition here, the GOP may have gained seats in the elections, but they prefer to be led by the islamo-marxist regime.
Sabin says
more proof that the French are idiots.
Jean Bounjue says
The only thing that the French and muslims have in common is a history of mass beheadings.
Islofob IS-1 says
Fine, go ahead, knock yourself out. Don’t have a issue with trying to find peace, as long as it’s not the only path you work with.
Plan to try , but prepare for the worst. To redo islam ,or rewrite the qur’an, you will make a new sect at best, and the old time islam will still be, stronger than ever by then, if you don’t take steps.
FarmerMike says
Let’s all send “Impeach Obama” emails in to our Representatives & Senators–right now, this weekend, before Netanyahu gives his speech to a Joint Session of Congress. We should emphasize the crime of Obama’s on-going Muslim Brotherhood ties.
Us sending in emails, just before Netanyahu speaks, will be like double-teaming Congress with clarity of thought, and clarity of action. Some are bound to begin to wake up.
If not us, who? If not now, when? If not impeachment, what?
Please! This is our best opportunity!
M S case says
FarmerMike It’s fine to send the emails but the probability of Obama’s name even getting to the impeachment hearings is very unlikely.. Impeach the first black (well part lack) president Never Happen
M S case says
Why would the first black (well part black) president not be impeached? My goodness Al Sharpton would be up in arms.