Lol! Thanks David. It’s a great point in relation to Islam. If everything in the book is great and perfect, then why is there any ambiguity at all?
I’m glad there are Muslims out there that choose to only believe the non-violent verses in the Koran, but it is not logical or reasonable to disseminate an ideology to suit yourself at any given point in time. You believe in ALL or NONE.
Islam should be outlawed and its adherents should not be allowed into western societies like any other member of a violent cult would not be allowed to immigrate.
But But Way Wait a Min Minute !!.
Your not getting the Mess Message Right ? ๐
Rob Portersays
Dogkicka – David Wood is superb here. His is so mocking one cannot help but smile.
Neil Jennisonsays
Because Allah can errr…do….errr, what’s the phrase…..er…….these things if I, I mean we, or do we mean I, want?
Gayle Parkersays
There is only one version of the Koran and there is no mistaking how violent it is. Most so-called moderate muslims have not even read it.
THsays
YOu see, muslim logic is different. It includes maintaining two contradictory ideas in ones mind at the same time and considering both true. That is because Allah is totally abitrary and can order two contradictory things at the same time. On Islamic “logic” check out Bill Warner’s website http://www.politicalislam.com In passing, check out his recent video about “A bad islam”.
duh_swamisays
That’s what they all say…
cssays
LMAO.
Great video btw David, keep the good work.
Beaglesays
He is, but it will be tough to top the video in which he uses Islamic scripture to prove Muhammad was a false prophet by his own terms. After watching that one I began to wonder if Islam was not a practical joke, albeit a uniquely bloody and depraved joke, which was simply not understood by Muslims for 1400 years. I had never seen that argument before despite studying Islam for going on 15 years (USS Cole).
Not to mention the stages of jihad which allowed me to link a single humorous and yet brilliantly clarifying video rather than type a half dozen paragraphs on blogs in order to try to explain the seemingly confusing mess we see in Islam today. That one comes in handy almost daily.
Keep them coming. I salute you and your work.
TheBuffstersays
Beagle, are you referring the one where Allah severs Mohammad’s aorta? That *was* brilliant.
Yep, the guy in this video is a genius.
Good-lookin’, too. ๐
Beaglesays
Yes, the severed aorta being divine punishment of a false prophet mentioned in Islamic scripture and how Muhammad described his suffering when he was poisoned to death.
Hard to explain that in any way other than Muhammad embedding within Islam an admission he is a false prophet.
cssays
The one who opened my eyes wider was the 3 stages of Jihad, that was a classic.
TheBuffstersays
Totally, David, totally!
pumbarsays
That was good. There are a few beers for you if I ever bump into you David.
Angemonsays
David Wood posted:
“The guy in this video is a total genius.”
I concur, and I hope we can keep seeing (much) more of him ๐
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Born with a face designed for relentless delivery of total ironical disdain. But there is none stated, there is no evading what is stated. Genius indeed.
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I’m sick of Allah. I’m not sick of David Wood, though. He should be broadcast nightly on all the nightly news TV channels. That’s you, DW.
Mosays
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer says
“Born with a face designed for relentless delivery of total ironical disdain.”
Ha! That is such a perfect description of David! He always makes me laugh, while teaching me so much more that I did not know about Islam.
cssays
He is precise and he is fun. Great articulation of ideas.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
A great communicator, in stark contrast to the Holy God Allah (pbuh*).
* Persistently Blathering Unhinged Hysteria
cssays
In the case of Allah (SWT) is used.
Joesays
He is a very smart, very funny man. I’ve met him once and he was totally charming. Bear in mind how often muslims/leftists threaten & assault those who criticise islam, David Wood goes alone into public debates where he takes on the best apologists muslims can throw at him. And David wins. When I saw him at one of these events, afterwards David was surrounded by cheery, polite people (some may even have been muslims). Meanwhile, his opponent was surrounded by angry, agitate people (most of whom were certainly muslims).
David Wood should have been made famous by national TV companies all over the world. Instead, the quisling media are intent on ensuring that no informed debate on islam ever occurs.
Samanthasays
I totally agree. Wood’s articulate message blows away the fog created by promoters of the so-called religion of peace.
Stendecsays
David Wood, you fail to understand that Allah is “nuanced,” just like the idiots in Washington. That everything he says means the opposite of what the words literally mean is just, to the Muslims, a sign of his marvelous sophistication. Furthermore, the fact that you notice this at all proves to them that you are some kind of bigoted, simple-minded troglodyte–just another example of the “vilest of created beings.”
That perverted “logic” is the kind of thinking (if you can call it that) that we are all up against.
mortimersays
“Allah is โnuanced,โ just like the idiots in Washington”
Yes, exactly. When Obama says, ‘The future should not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam’, Obama REALLY means that he wants to defend the free speech of Americans.
David Wood demonstrates in this video how Muslims don’t trust Allah in the Koran because they constantly reinterpret and rephrase his words, then tell us Westerners that he is not saying what he plainly says.
In the Western world, Islamic apologists spend most of their time explaining to Kafirs why Allah’s violent hate language cannot be taken seriously. Allah REALLY means something opposite of what his words clearly say.
If Muslims do not believe the words of Allah are ‘clear’ (and therefore literally true), why should we care what Allah says? He says he is ‘clear’ in the Koran, but Muslims claim Allah’s words are very obscure, thus demonstrating that they disbelieve Allah.
Allah’s words are obviously not ‘clear’ since they cannot be understood literally without special training and without years of studying clever rationalizations that seek to explain why Allah contradicts himself hundreds of times, speaks ungrammatically and repeats the same messages over and over with different nuances, different facts and different words. Allah seems befuddled in the Koran…not at all like an omniscient, almighty being, let alone a competent writer of this supposedly ‘perfect’, but highly flawed book.
Demscisays
David Wood, Mortimer, SOOOOOO well said. I so hope this video will haunt the Muslims. And then the Policors (Political Corrects) for a long, long time. Until they themselves are finally ready to deal with this AVIO (Ambiguity Vagueness, Incompleteness, Obsoleteness) and especially the many contradictions. if not the Muslims then at least those tiresome defenders if Islam and Muslims, especially in the media and high places (the government).
And the very ambiguity, vagueness incompleteness, obsoleteness and many contradictions should allow Westerners to request, then demand, from Muslims a different interpretation of key texts in Quran-Hadiths-Sira that are most “prone to anti-democratic, theocratic, totalitarian and criminal violent” interpretation. As their are millions of Muslims with this kind of “interpretations” of those key texts.
I like David Wood’s video to be thrown at these Islam-defenders and condoners amongst us. When they then come up with comparison with the bible, we can then point out that there not so many
“anti-democratic, theocratic, totalitarian and criminal violent” interpretaters of biblical texts. So if they want to compare let them compare the followers’interpretations also.
Islofob IS-1says
Allah is only a straw-god. The true “god” in islam was the human Muhammad.
Draw a cartoon of Allah, see if it matters.
citycatsays
He seems right enough
And there’s more behind closed doors than is found in the Koran
Anyone can easily prove that the Quran cannot possibly be the Word of God, BECAUSE THE QURAN ITSELF SAYS IT ISN’T THE WORD OF GOD.
When I studied Islam many moons ago at school, our teacher pointed out the Quran itself admits it isn’t the word of God, and then proceeded to demonstrate this. Anybody can go online and use this rationale with any muslim. It goes like this:
The Word of God must be “perfect”, yes?
The Quran itself says it isn’t “perfect”. What? Yes indeed. Here’s how:
Quran 5:3 says: “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”
Note that. “THIS DAY”. Therefore, up to this point, the religion is, ipso fact, “imperfect”.
Now let’s add the context…..As you can see from the chrononlogical list of suras, according to Islamic scholars themselves, sura 5 is one of the last to be revealed. Two sites here:
Therefore, since sura 5 is right at the end of the Quran, all that precedes it is, by its own definition, “imperfect”. Therefore, virtually the whole book is, by its own rationale, “imperfect”. Even worse (if you are a muslim) , what follows sura 5 (i.e. sura 9) is the most violent sura in the whole book. So, according to the Quran’ own logic, the most violent section in the book is the only “perfected” part. Therefore, the Quran itself says it is imperfect, therefore it cannot be the Word of God.
QED.
I have actually known muslims stop going to their mosque after this has been pointed out to them. You are quite welcome to copy and paste the logic above and debate muslims online. I have done it myself, and you get a STUNNED SILENCE in response.
Or you could just post David Wood’s little piece.
Have a nice day…….
mach37says
Nuanced? Allah, or whoever put the words in the Koran, was the most schizophrenic writer ever. The same verse often goes from “main, kill, terrorize” to “forgive and be nice” while barely pausing to take a breath.
I think it would be extremely hard to be nice while He was Beheading someone ?? ๐
Iansays
They all err, Muslims, Jews,Christians and Zoroastrians
Humanity follows two worldwide sects
One Man intelligent without religion
The second religious without intellect
Abu ala al-Ma’arri (C975-1058)
Born near Aleppo in what is now Syria – would he have gotten away with in the 21stC?
Demscisays
What is wrong with intelligent people without religion?
Although, perhaps spirituality (instead of religion) and a sense of history and science might well augment / improve the mind of the intelligent person and the society around him.
And oh, I do not necessarily discount as somehow “wrong” ALL people with religion but without intelligence, no. Only some.
gravenimagesays
The al-Nusra Front beheaded a statue of Ma’am in Syria in 2013.
Andrew GBsays
The koran for dummies.
By my own admission i’m a dummy and I understand this. So what does it make the bearded hairballs and walking postboxes that don’t get it? …………..
Baal is a moon deity and the Lord of Mecca never did communicate and cannot communicate – unless you believe that an insane 40 year old totalitarian wannabe had conversations with his family idol.
Oscar Santossays
Muslims make sense of all the Quranโs confusion and contradictions by imagining that Allah revealed his messages to Muhammad gradually, as and when needed. Whenever one message is in conflict with another it is the latter verse that is stronger. In other words, this is what Allah really means, but people were not ready to hear it earlier.
Unfortunately, the messages from the Medina period in the last years of Muhammadโs life are generally far more violent, bigoted, misogynistic and barbaric than his earlier time in Mecca. Despite this, Muslims think that the Quran is the exact word of Allah, so it has to be obeyed.
There is, however, another way to interpret all this. During his time in Mecca Muhammad was married to his first wife, Khadija. She was considerably older than him, wealthy from her business dealings, far more educated than the illiterate Muhammad, but due to the position of women in that society, unable to achieve real power or influence. Her solution was to make up the revelations and background details for the ambitious Muhammad to reveal. He was the front man; she was the power behind him. Her messages were often about promoting the position of women or increasing understanding between different sections of society.
When Khadija died and Muhammad moved to Medina he was free of her more liberal influence and his true personality was allowed the freedom to express itself in all its savagery. Whatever suited Muhammadโs uncontrollable ambition was conveniently sanctioned by Allah, just when he needed it. This psychopathic nonsense is what Muslims are asked to follow!
wildjewsays
OK, I am going to stir up a hornet’s nest. I am by no means comparing Jesus’ revelation (or even Paul’s revelation) to Muhammad’s revelation but don’t Christians also believe in progressive revelation?
Abdullah Yusuf Ali wrote on Surah 2:106: “What is the meaning here? If we take it in a general sense, it means that God’s Message from age to age is always the same, but that its form may differ according to the needs and the exigencies of the time. That form was different as given to Moses and then to Jesus and then to Muhammad. Some commentators apply it to the Ayat in the Qur’an. There is nothing derogatory in this if we believe in progressive revelation.”
I have this discussion often with my Christian friends and neighbors. There is no question committed Christians believe in a kind of progressive revelation.
Here, just yesterday a Christian neighbor answered my question about his antinomian interpretation of the epistles of Paul:
He wrote: “Antinomian”…after a short trip to dictionarydotcom……that’s exactly what I’m saying.
“A perfect irony exists in Saul-turned-Paul. Paul, one of the 70 most knowledgeable Jews in his time, learned the hard way that the Law was of no affect to salvation after the Resurrection of Jesus. It makes perfect sense because if it were possible for man’s works (sic), outside of Grace, to save himself or to defeat evil then the Crucifixion of Jesus was nothing more than a simple murder.
“The Law gave man an impossible path to salvation through his own works. Through the Sacrifice (Blood) of Jesus are ALL sins forgiven, not through any work of man. Jesus, almost 2000 years ago, defeated evil on the Cross, and then gave man time to understand and believe what He has already finished that more may come to him….”
This is progressive revelation, is it not?
Angemonsays
I believe they do. However, the issue should not be whether the Jewish and Christian revelations were progressive, but the contents of the revelations themselves. The Jewish and Christian texts, which go from “go and kill the midianites” to “love thy neighbour”, were written by several people spread out through thousands of years while Muhammad’s “revelations”, which go from “you have your religion and I have mine” to “fight those who do not believe in alah”, were spread through 23-years.
And that’s not even factoring context – as Aisha noted, “I feel that your[muhammad’s] Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires”.
I’m wondering how Yusuf Ali managed to conciliate what he wrote with what islam teaches – that the Bible is corrupt, that Jewish and Christian biblical figures and prophets all taught islam and that it were their disciples that twisted their teachings into the Judaism and Christianity we know today, and that references to the coming of muhammad were purposely scrubbed out of the Bible by people jealous of muhammad’s “success”.
Peter Buckleysays
Indeed.
“…as Aisha noted, โI feel that your[muhammadโs] Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desiresโ.
This is what I have called Aisha’s “giveaway comment”, particularly revealing as it came from his “favourite wife”:
And then there was the strange case of the Christian scribe who was noting down Muhammad’s revelations, before quitting his post, and then being found dead:
More and more muslims are realising that Muhammad’s “revelations” were merely convenient permissions from his “Allah”. The problem true muslims have is this:
If you read the Quran “correctly” (i.e. in context), it is obvious Muhammad is a man who uses his religious knowledge to obtain political power, and thereby access to money (“booty” in the Quran), and sex (either another wife from the conquered tribe, or more sex-slaves.
If you take Muhammad as an “excellent example” (Quran 33:21) and the “final messenger”, then you’re left with a whole load of contradictions, not to mention the never-ending phenomenon of muslims killing other muslims.
Mosays
@ wildjew
“OK, I am going to stir up a hornetโs nest. I am by no means comparing Jesusโ revelation (or even Paulโs revelation) to Muhammadโs revelation but donโt Christians also believe in progressive revelation?”
This is progressive revelation, is it not?”
I suppose so. But it’s progressive in the sense that we’re given more of the whole story/plan as time goes along. Think of a complicated movie plot where you think things are going one way and then you learn more and more, until the full picture is finally revealed and you say, “Oh, now I get it! Now all these confusing bits and piece and seemingly contradictory things make sense!”
The Bible has one long plot from beginning to end. Jesus’ crucifixion was always the main plan for salvation. For various reasons, it took many events and a great deal of time to get that point. But it’s not like God had one idea and then ditched it and found another. It’s all part of the same plan and story and it all fits together perfectly. Once you look at the full picture, it does make sense.
Contrast that to Mohammad’s “revelations”. Aside from the content they are contradictory. There doesn’t seem to be a cohesive plot to the Koran. There doesn’t seem to be a plan from beginning to end. The Koran offers no salvation anyway – not even for Muslims. Even Muslims don’t have any assurance of forgiveness or salvation. It’s very sad.
Honestly, even if you’re looking at the Bible and the Koran simply as literature, I don’t see how it can be denied that the Bible has a much more compelling, understandable, meaningful story!
All of that aside, the most important aspect here should be:
1) the content of the revelations, and
2) the fact that neither Jews nor Christians go around slaughtering people over it
One of the things that shocked me most about Islam is how terrified Mohammad was when his visions/revelations began, how he thought he was possessed, and how he even wanted to die.
Even if I knew nothing else about Islam, this one fact would have given me pause. How can you trust a “prophet” of God when he’s not even sure himself if he’s insane, possessed by evil forces, or actually hearing from God?
Of all the disturbing things about Islam, I found this aspect one of the most disturbing of all.
wildjewsays
When Robert Spencer is asked about the violent verses in the Torah, he says something to the effect, Jews and Christians do not take these as marching orders today. My guess is for the vast majority of Jews and Christians that is true but it is also progressive revelation, isn’t it? Orthodox Jews would not say, “we do not take some of the commandments regarding warfare as marching orders today.” I am NOT an Orthodox (religious) Jew. I do not say these are not marching orders for our day. I do not believe in progressive revelation. Progressive revelations indicates earlier revelation was somehow faulty or temporal.
Mosays
@ wildjew
“When Robert Spencer is asked about the violent verses in the Torah, he says something to the effect, Jews and Christians do not take these as marching orders today.”
There are no open-ended commands anywhere in the OT for Jews to commit violence against unbelievers.
wildjewsays
Mo, you are correct. If you read the Torah carefully, it is the vile or wicked behavior of the peoples living in the land (that Moses spoke at length about) whereby God ordered Joshua to destroy them or to drive them out.
“You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31)
Unlike Islam it was not simple believe or unbelief that was the problem. Only the law of Moses is unique in this regard. Other great world religious put emphasis on simple belief or unbelief according to the idea of progressive revelation.
Mosays
@ wildjew
“Mo, you are correct. If you read the Torah carefully, it is the vile or wicked behavior of the peoples living in the land (that Moses spoke at length about) whereby God ordered Joshua to destroy them or to drive them out.”
Absolutely right. It was all about judgment for sins. And it wasn’t run-of-the-mill types of sins, but egregious things like gross idolatry/sexual immorality and even child sacrifice! I don’t have references at the moment, but over and over it says that God even gave them ample time to repent!
And when Israel participated in some of these same types of sins, they were judged as well.
People who whine about “genocide” and all the rest in the OT have never read any of it, other than bits and pieces found at anti-theist websites.
“Unlike Islam it was not simple believe or unbelief that was the problem. Only the law of Moses is unique in this regard. Other great world religious put emphasis on simple belief or unbelief according to the idea of progressive revelation.”
Exactly right. But again, most of the people who whine about this stuff have never once bothered to actually read the texts in question with a sincere desire to learn what’s actually being said. It’s not like it’s even complicated or difficult. It’s all laid out very clearly.
It never ceases to amaze me that even with the entire world of information now at our fingertips, people still CHOOSE to remain so ignorant.
Dianasays
wildjew, there is a difference between “progressive revelation” and “abrogation”.
“Progressive revelation” is the idea that new revelations throw light on the old. For example, Joshua was commanded to destroy sinners. 500 years later, David fought in self-defence, but he was commanded to look inwards at his own sin. Another 500 years later, Ezra established a peaceable society in which the frightening punishments of Moses were rarely practised because the emphasis was on living righteously, not on how wrongdoing might be punished.
When we teach Christians to read the Tanakh, we tell them to look for the underlying principle but to consider it in the light of the New Testament. For example, the command to stone adulterers to death is still in the Bible. It tells us that adultery is a sin. But the New Testament equivalent to capital punishment is excommunication from the Church. So the stoning to death cannot be practised by modern Christians. (I don’t think Ezra agreed with it either.)
“Abrogation” is much cruder. It simply means that the earlier texts were wrong. They can be overlooked and forgotten.
Beaglesays
Disturbingly, the only ‘guarantee’ of paradise in the Quran, the strongest language in the entire book, is for those who “slay and are slain” in jihad. (Quran 9.111)
It’s written as a binding promise on Allah. But of course Allah is viewed as arbitrary and capricious in every other context. Muslims say things like “the apple falls from the tree because Allah wills it.” Even gravity is not guaranteed, but paradise for murder is, allegedly.
Larrysays
JEREMIAH & JESUS WERE TORAH JEWS, NOT TALMUDIC JEWS!
If you read Jeremiah ch 7 and underline verses 21 to 27, you will see that God did not teach the sacrificial system to the Jews. His House was to be a House of Prayer for ALL nations, NOT a House of Blood.
Both Jeremiah and Jesus preached the SAME message!
The reason Jesus was crucified was because he condemned the Sacrificial System (Matthew ch 21:10-16;Mark 11:15-19;John 2:13-22).
ISLAM IS A CULT OF TALMUDIC JUDAISM AND THE FIRST QURAN WAS AUTHORIZED BY RABBI ABU BAKR, THE FIRST CALIPH.
(See HISTORY OF PALESTINE 614-1096 C.E.
From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.
By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850)
cssays
Not really, there are so many differences, I even don’t know from where to start.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
OK, I am going to stir up a hornetโs nest.
Not really. Going all the way back to the Torah, and through the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures, and on through the New Testament, the Bible is a series of parables left exposed to the imprint of the consumer. It’s one thing to enlighten one’s current taking of a scripture from one’s circumstance, it’s another to lie to others or even to oneself to progressively imprint it so as to reinterpret it to deceive.
Islam is a paradox: it takes power from others while deceiving oneself about what is being done in the reading.
wildjewsays
When Obama supporting leftists ask me about the commandment in the Torah to kill everyone in a city (actually Joshua and his army did not kill everyone but that is another matter), I ask them about their heroes, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman who ordered the firebombings (terror-bombings) of German cities (men, women, children and animals were incinerated by the hundreds of thousands), the firebombings of Tokyo and the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Keep in mind, the second world war was the last war the United States won. I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals? Either I do not get a response or they say, “that was different,” and that is the end of that. Maybe God, like Churchill, knows how to wage war.
Demscisays
//”I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals?”//
So difficult to counter, because we want to be fair, and we do not ever want to be hypocrites using double standards. And frankly, I see that a lot among Muslims, I will say.
Nowadays I tend to admit faults on”our side”, among our beloved leaders”, people.
In order to later be able to tear down the hypocrisy, double standards, that are used by Muslim propagandists, like those of Iran or ISIS, and used by so many Muslims AND Islam-defenders when they start whining about America and the West and their misdeeds.
Demscisays
To clarify, WHEN they whine about America’s policy and misdeeds, I THEN point all the OTHER misdeeds of OTHER people, especially the Muslims, including Mohammed.
example; the Americans get grilled about killing innocents. but I can retort; how about Mohammed killing the men and boys of the Abu Quraiza tribe?
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals? Either I do not get a response or they say, โthat was different” …
I’ll respond: none of them were criminals. FDR committed some serious crimes in political economics, so serious that his misdeeds harm us even to this day, just Marxian enough to push for lawlessness. But he wasn’t a war criminal.
wildjewsays
I agree, FDR was not a war criminal but in what way did what Roosevelt order differ from what God commanded Moses and Joshua to do?
Mosays
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer
“Not really. Going all the way back to the Torah, and through the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures, and on through the New Testament, the Bible is a series of parables left exposed to the imprint of the consumer.”
Not really. The Bible has some parables, but it’s not all parables. Nor is it “left exposed to the imprint of the consumer” – whatever exactly that means. It’s meant to be a historical account of events, while having a lot of different types of literature in it. It’s not just one book. It’s a compilation of books.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Yeah yeah, I got the compilation of books part in, oh, the fifth grade. But it’s predominate literary form is that of a parable, events cast in a story with a clear moral outcome. Your assertion that it’s intended as an historical account becomes almost irrelevant given its latency and approximation, a subject widely debated for ages now.
A consumer of any book or other media imprints its contents with his context. For example, a guy reading Hosea might apply a different standard for sexual decency than a Jew from centuries before Christ.
The point is that the Bible forces you to dispose of a conclusion one way or the other. The Koran does not such thing, its stories reading like a running diary filled with accounts, boasts and contradictions, but only the conclusion that Allah gives victory which gives fulfillment. From there the denials and lies start.
Mosays
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer
“Yeah yeah, I got the compilation of books part in, oh, the fifth grade.”
Take your condescension elsewhere. It’s not just “parables” all right? If you’d read it, you’d know that.
(And if you think I read any further you are mistaken. You think you can talk to me like trash and then expect me to keep going?)
How about laying off of a book you seem to know very little about and get back to ISLAM? You know, the point of this site and the cause of so much of the trouble we’re seeing in the world today? How about that?
wildjewsays
What do you mean by “given its latency and approximation” ?
Mosays
@ wildjew
“What do you mean by โgiven its latency and approximationโ ?”
That was not me. I was quoting Alarmed Pig Farmer’s statement. (In the portion after I even stopped reading, because the beginning was so condescending.)
cssays
Notice that from all religions worldwide Judaism is the one who endured most changes since its beginnings.
In XVI century for instance the ARI included reincarnation and a lot of other stuff, all this was included in Hassidism. So religious Judaism is a renascentist version of the Ancient religion, that is valid, because oral Torah, IS REVEALED BIT BY BIT, and will be FULLY REVEALED WHEN THE MASHIAH FINALLY COMES.
Tikkuney Zohar says that a good part of the Mitzvot will change, Judaism may be very different again when we achieve a lot of knowledge about all of us.
This time may be very close, whether with a mashiah or not.
wildjewsays
I do not believe the oral tradition has the weight of the written law and the prophets. Talmud to me is little more than commentary by early first century rabbis despite the claims by some of my fellow Jews. Moses was clear. He commanded the Israelites to not add to nor take away from the commandments he gave Israel. The Talmud does exactly what Moses warned not to do. I believe the idea of reincarnation is alluded to (implicit) in the Bible.
cssays
I take the Rambam and the ARI very seriously, very enlightened individuals.
One Rational the other mystical.
Ayatrollahsays
Christians can’t teach Islam like this. It is a violation of shariah. The Muslim authority must control the narrative. For pointing out foolish things from Allah , David May taste the fire. Rememer the fire.
Peter Buckleysays
“For pointing out foolish things from Allah , David May taste the fire. Rememer the fire.”
Interesting comment. If David’s comments are “foolish”, presumably you’ll be happy to debate live.
Perhaps by “foolish”, you mean that his comments aren’t foolish (i.e. they are correct), but the fact that he has stated them publicly, and you cannot deny the truth of what he says.
Perhaps you don’t want muslims to listen, because you fear that the truth will lead them to realise that he is right, and that they will leave the faith.
I understand your fear, but I’m afraid it’s a bit late. The cat is “out of the bag”, so to speak:
Peter, Ayatrollah is an *Anti-Jihadist*, not a Muslim troll.
Papa Whiskeysays
Yes, remember the fire — to which that poor pilot was subjected. And be ready to fire back.
Or even first.
gravenimagesays
Ayatrollah wrote:
Christians canโt teach Islam like this. It is a violation of shariah. The Muslim authority must control the narrative…
………………………….
You are right, Ayatrollahโin the Pact of Umar, which lays out the strictures of dhimmitude, Infidels are forbidden to “teach the Qur’an to their children”.
Mosays
@ Gravenimage
“You are right, Ayatrollahโin the Pact of Umar, which lays out the strictures of dhimmitude, Infidels are forbidden to โteach the Qurโan to their childrenโ.
Is that right? Wow!
gravenimagesays
It’s true, Mo. Here’s the quote:
“We shall not teach the Qur’an to our children.”
Since Infidels also have to promise, “We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it”, it is clear that it is not that Muslims don’t want the children of Infidels to eventually learn the Qur’an, but that they want them to do it *as Muslim converts*, where Muslims can control how the Qur’an is to be regarded.
In other words, they don’t want Infidels to do what David Wood is doingโreading the Qur’an with a critical eye, and daring to talk about it to other Infidels.
It is a short document, and well worth reading. It explains a great deal about how Muslims treat the “filthy Kuffar” whenever they have the upper handโand is yet another sign that Islam has not changed since the Dark Ages.
Mosays
@ Gravenimage
Thanks for this.
My heart was racing in rage as I read it. The unbelievable ARROGANCE of these Muslims! Who in the blazes do they think they are, treating others this way?!
This one really got to me, for some reason:
“We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.”
Are you kidding me?! Yeah, that’ll be the day, when I do that. Or any of this garbage. And I do mean that seriously. I’d rather die than bow to these cultists!
Who is it here that signs their posts, “God, I hate Islam”?
Yes. That!
TheBuffstersays
Thanks, Graven. I’ve added the link to the Pact of Umar to my favorites. Should come in handy on Facebook and elsewhere.
FarnerNikesays
Friends, speaking of communication & politicians, has anyone on this blog communicated w/ their Congress Person, for the purpose of having a face to face meeting & presenting materials to that Congress Person to initiate impeachment proceedings against Obama? Or, in Australia of the UK, for the purpose impeaching… whoever? We can’t just go on complaining and criticizing. We have to take action.
I’ve made contact w/ my Congress Person; am waiting for a reply. If I can’t arrange a meeting, at least I’ll send in another letter, expressing my concerns, esp. before Israel’s President Netanyahu speaks to the US Congress. Netanyahu’s appearance is a very critical event. We need to flood Congress with our concerns. We must not just be talkers; we must become activists.
I plan to take print-outs of Robert’s Feb. 8, 2011 article on “Obama’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” a known terrorist organization. (See “The Muslim Brotherhood” by Britt Parramore, online.) Also, a HuffPost article by Allen West, on “Muslim Brotherhood ‘Infiltrated’ Obama Administration” (8-15-2013). Also An article availabe online by Rod Dreher, “Defeat the Third Jihad: For the third time in history, orthodox Muslims are making a serious bid for world domination.” I’ll also take along articles by Ben Swann & others about the US military training ISIS rebels to fight against Assad in Syria.
Anyone else doing likewise?
Louis Farrakhan IVsays
RIDDLE ME THIS:
911 WAS A HOME RUN
The Twin Towers were sold a few weeks before 911. The purchaser immediately insured them against TERRORIST attack. He stipulated in the contract, that in the event of the Twin Towers being destroyed, he would rebuild on their FOOTPRINT.
GROUND ZERO is a term to describe a place where a WMD has exploded.
The owner of the Twin Towers also owned Tower 7.
All 3 Towers were destroyed by WMD.
The owner of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 got $1.5 BILLION from his insurance claim.
Which part of this comment don’t you Moronic Cretins understand?
BOXCUTTERS ARE NOT WMD!
OH YEAH
911 was the BIGGEST Gold Bullion/Stocks/Shares robbery EVER!
The Towers were the SMOKE & MIRRORS to pull the wool over your eyes!
The “terroristsโ were SAUDI ARABIANS – Bush attacked IRAQ!
911 WAS AN ANSWER TO A JEWISH PRAYER
The World Trade Center complex came under the control of a private owner for the first time only in mid-2001, having been built and managed by the Port Authority as a public resource. The complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. 1 2 The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured
value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease. 3
References
1. Westfield Nabs Trade Center mall, ICSC.org, 6/2/2001 [cached].
2. Governor Pataki, Acting Governor DiFrancesco Laud Historic Port Authority Agreement to Privatize World Trade
Center, Port Authority on NY & NJ, 7/24/01 [cached].
3. Reinsurance Companies Wait to Sort Out Cost of Damage, New York Times, 9/12/01, page C
JOHN OโNEILL
Head Investigator Of The USS Cole Attack
Assassinated
John OโNeill’s
Background
He had been with the FBI for 20 years, and was involved in investigating a number of terrorist cases, including the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing. He was considered the FBIโs top man on terrorism. In the late 1990โs, he became very attuned to Israelโs involvement in many terror operations.
The 1993 Bombing At The World Trade Center
Following the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, he had become the foremost expert on the global threat from terrorism
John O’Neill Suspected The Israeli Agent, Abu Nidal
Abu Nidal was the leader of the infamous Black September terror organization, and spent 30 years hijacking jets and planting bombs for Israel intelligence. O’Neill suspected Abu Nidal was a Mossad operative and talked openly about it with other field agents.
O’Neill Was Sent To Investigate the USS Cole Attack
He took a team of FBI agents to Yemen, where his investigation pointed to Israeli involvement.
Barbara Bodine – Ambassador to Yemen During USS Cole Attack
Bodine, who is Jewish, was the Ambassador to Yemen.
When the USS Cole was attacked, the FBI sent a team led by John OโNeill who immediately suspected Israeli involvement. Bodine started an intense political battle to oust OโNeill.
Bodine wanted to control the investigation, and resented the fact that suddenly there were hundreds of FBI personnel in the country.
Albright provided a handful of State Department personnel to watch the investigation.
Albright and Bodine Panic as OโNeill Investigation Points to Israel
Albright complains to upper echelons of the FBI about O’Neill. 8
Bodine wanted O’Neill to drop his bodyguards and he became suspicious of Mossad assassination. Bodine and Madeleine Albright finally went to the Zionist Jewish FBI Director, Louis Freeh, to remove John O’Neill from Yemen.
Then January 2001 came, and O’Neill wanted to go back to Yemen. But, Ambassador Bodine wouldn’t give him clearance. In July 2001, OโNeill resigned from the FBI.
Larry Silverstein Offered Him a Job
In September of 2001, mere days before 9/11, he got a job offer from Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC). Oddly, O’Neill was missing for two days before 9/11 โmiraculously his body was discovered in tact in the WTC ruins.
DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT.
gravenimagesays
The repulsive self-styled Louis Farrakhan IV wrote:
RIDDLE ME THIS:
911 WAS A HOME RUN
…………………………..
Only a vicious Mohammedan would consider this horrifying atrocity a “home run”. *Ugh*.
More:
The Twin Towers were sold a few weeks before 911. The purchaser immediately insured them against TERRORIST attack. He stipulated in the contract, that in the event of the Twin Towers being destroyed, he would rebuild on their FOOTPRINT.
…………………………..
“Louis Farrakhan” would have us believe that this is suspicious, but in fact the World Trade Center was attacked by Jihad terrorists in 1993, when they exploded a bomb in the parking structure and murdered six people. So the idea that the WTC could be attacked by terrorists was *hardly* outrageous.
More:
GROUND ZERO is a term to describe a place where a WMD has exploded.
…………………………..
That is, of course, only definition of the term. “Ground Zero” can also be used to describe the center of any major event:
“the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change”
The owner of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 got $1.5 BILLION from his insurance claim.
Which part of this comment donโt you Moronic Cretins understand?
…………………………..
The idea that the horror of 9/11 was an elaborate insurance scam is utterly grotesqueโbesides the calumny, the fact is that these buildings were quite lucrative.
It is, really, like accusing anyone of losing their home to fire of setting the fire themselves if the house was insuredโas it would have to be, by law.
In addition, even such a nefarious scenario would not explain the hijacking of the other planes, nor the fact that one of them was flown into the Pentagonโa government owned building, whom no private individual would “benefit” from destroying.
And there is the usual problem with this conspiracy theory, in any caseโif the buildings were brought down by explosives, why bother flying planes into them at all?
More:
BOXCUTTERS ARE NOT WMD!
…………………………..
They didn’t have to be. The boxcutters were to keep the passengers and crew in lineโit was the fuel-heavy airplanes themselves that served as weapons when flown into the towers and the Pentagon.
Moreover, we saw what happened on United 93, when the brave passengers learned of the fate of the other hijacked planes, and *fought back*. They were able to prevent the plane being used as a bomb against any other targetโin their case, the target was probably either the Capitol or the White House.
More:
OH YEAH
…………………………..
Only a Muslim thug would glory over this mass murder and destruction. *Ugh*.
More:
911 was the BIGGEST Gold Bullion/Stocks/Shares robbery EVER!
The Towers were the SMOKE & MIRRORS to pull the wool over your eyes!
The โterroristsโ were SAUDI ARABIANS โ Bush attacked IRAQ!
911 WAS AN ANSWER TO A JEWISH PRAYER
…………………………..
More insane Islamic antisemitism.
Never mind that there have now been *over 25,000* Jihad terror attacks all over the world just since 9/11โwould he have us believe that they were *all* pulled off byโwho? Mossad? Greedy Jewish-American properly owners? George Bush?
More:
John OโNeill Suspected The Israeli Agent, Abu Nidal
…………………………..
Abu Nidal, of course, was not an “Israeli agent”, but the founder of Fatah, himself a Jihad terrorist who explicitly sought the destruction of Israel.
And the idea that those killed in the WTC were somehow murdered by Mossad agents could not be more ludicrous.
More:
DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT.
…………………………..
“Louis Farrakhan” want us to ignore 1400 years of Muslim savageryโcarried out *exactly* on the texts and tenets of the Qur’an and the model of the “Prophet”, and pretend that it has all been carried out by the tiny population of civilized Israel.
Who knows what this poster’s actual connections are to the violent Nation of Islamโbut the fact is that that body has itself carried out Jihad terrorism, and seeks the destruction of the United States and the rest of the free West. *Ugh*.
FarmerMikesays
Speaking of communication, has anyone on this blog communicated w/ their Congress Person, for the purpose of having a face to face meeting & presenting materials to that Congress Person to initiate impeachment proceedings against Obama? Or, in Australia of the UK, for the purpose impeaching… whoever? We can’t just go on complaining and criticizing. We have to take action.
I’ve made contact w/ my Congress Person; am waiting for a reply. If I can’t arrange a meeting, at least I’ll send in another letter, expressing my concerns, esp. before Israel’s President Netanyahu speaks to the US Congress. Netanyahu’s appearance is a very critical event. We need to flood Congress with our concerns. We must not just be talkers; we must become activists.
I plan to take print-outs of Robert’s Feb. 8, 2011 article on “Obama’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” a known terrorist organization. (See “The Muslim Brotherhood” by Britt Parramore, online.) Also, a HuffPost article by Allen West, on “Muslim Brotherhood ‘Infiltrated’ Obama Administration” (8-15-2013). Also An article availabe online by Rod Dreher, “Defeat the Third Jihad: For the third time in history, orthodox Muslims are making a serious bid for world domination.” I’ll also take along articles by Ben Swann & others about the US military training ISIS rebels to fight against Assad in Syria.
Anyone else doing likewise?
Lessays
You are who you worship
Champsays
David Woot! ๐
Looove your videos!
Edward Vaughnsays
David:
Consider this: Allah may have a disability. The fact that you must aim your prayers in one direction only implies that he (she? it?) might just have a hearing problem with one ear. Perhaps?
David Wood is absolutely correct; and isn’t it interesting that the tafsirs as they laboriously unscramble and interpret Allah’s rants, find that the overall sense therein leans toward violently enforced supremacism…?
Bezelelsays
Allahgottasayis, David is one of those gifted communicators.
DRDIASsays
I cannot and do not understand how the Islamic cretins are continually allowed to rewrite modern history about their fabricated peaceful and tolerant ideological existence!
It seems the overt semi illiterate, mentally awkward, lecherous predators, sadistic, masochistic, expressly greedy, power hungry and grossly insane are drawn to Islam!
Islamist want and uses modern conveyances such as medicine, modern medical devices, electricity, internal combustion engines, WiFi, and the INTERNET as long as it serves their male dominated Islamic idealogical leadership!
How can they quote the Qur’an, when Allah has never ever foretold, wrote, or made any form of allowances for the daily use let alone sanctioning the use of these 21st century conveyances and weapons of modern day life to be used by Muslims?
Islam in Arabic, the word โIslamโ means submission or surrender.
Baronet Kevin James Parrsays
Very good and with humour throughout. A little deluded as no God exists to say a single word .So it is man himself that speak for him. Ventriloquists all of them. No God has a name unless given by man himself then unlike the pet you train he vanishes up his own rectum never to be traced. He can be placed on police missing persons but I tell you know your God is forever gone. Some other faction may have kidnapped him for illicit revenge but unless you get a demand for ransom money it is pretty sure you will never see him. I will not say again because we know he is vapourised and as you have never met him ever it is perhaps no sweat. Go out like the Billy Graham pack and reinvent God from Jewish and Arab books on the subject its as simple as that as God can be anything you want and any shape in the Great Architects universe and beyond. Have fun doing this, bring in the family and involve them in your newly invented God . Thats what Paul did instead of tent making to none paying Arab as they had to cope with Roman taxation and worship Cesar Romero on the flicks. Someone found a bottle with a Gene in it that was just as magical as God but again thus a mere invention that is in the mixer along with women who had babies all by themselves and no need of seed. Constantine had a word in that invention just to widen the scope and be paid more cash for bums on seats. It was not just passing the hat but taking regular payments out of your bank called tithes. So we see how profitable this little cottage industry became. Now can we have a new God or is it really too late as most have worked it out these days that the ignorant can be sold anything and will kill to be of use to your invention with out reward. Wait! we need a place like the Vatican. Any one out there with unlimited funds could rent a room there. All that tax they raised had to go into Gods house a far way from a stable and the richest house on earth. Who is the worlds richest man.No your wrong it is not Vald Putin, not Bill Gates but the Pope and the Vatican key to the door. It could be done as the two main contenders are out of date as choices and the public require a simple transition so we introduce our invented God slowly on roller blades through the media of television. It may take a few more serious words than the letters to the Corinthians so introduce a big star who had taken the bribe to sell your God to billions of viewers or just ask Tom Cruise and tell him its Scientific. Set up bank accounts in Gods name as you dealing with cards and outgoings. For interest on the in goings have your family set up a trust with you and God as Direct Chair.sharing one seat can be recorded as humble and saintly so now on saints there are multiple choices. Might have trouble with the mentally insane and their old Gods but shoot a few at a time and blame your God for talking to you in the books your ancestors wrote.
PatnCatssays
This is DAVID WOOD of ACTS17Apologetics – see his YouTube under the same name. Many fascinating videos he’s done. David knows his BIBLE and he knows the islamic leterature which shows islam for what it is – barbaric, non-sensical and anti-social. Be sure to SUPPORT efforts such as Robert’s and David’s by financial donation – I do. We can lend our voices to theirs and grow.
Woods well exposes’ the author of the Koran……who perhaps suffered from a possible mind aberration. A person who saw reality in a different manner, just like a human who is subjectable to a reverse psychological mindset. We know the type, the one who motivates by saying “don’t do it” but actually wants you to do it! If this the case, where a person or persons are being hypnotized/mesmerized to do evil by a verbal act or by a written instrument is subject to further investigation. Considering that the initial Koranic verses were penned over 1400 years ago.
“The one being manipulated is usually unaware of what is really going on.”
Islam is an embarrassment in Western rationality and logical thought, it is so incoherent and repetitive and obviously Mohammed’s fanclub writings that change at his whim to allow whatever he likes to be praised by God (much like how the Church of England came to be in a way) it’s painful.
Just like bringing up to Scientologists their prophet was a sci fi writer scam artist, or Mormons that Joseph Smith was an obvious fraud, doesn’t matter how much proof there is (and there is more modern day hard to refute proof unlike trying to prove divine events in antiquity for these), cults are notorious for erasing individual thought, and this cult has been in practice and had a strangle hold on some cultures for more than a century. But unlike Mormons and Scientologists, they’re not cults based on evil and believing under fear of death. More based on love of money and women, lol. And even Mormonism rejected the more extreme parts of their traditions and they’ve only been around for what, less than 200 years? Could it be because Mormons although have strange beliefs, actually have faith and spirituality (and a solid basis in Judeo-Christian ideology which is important) and Islam is nothing more than a political propaganda piece made of retold stories from all the other major religions to conquer the world?
Briansays
Excellent job of breaking down the fact that Islam and the people who fallow this [only if it suits me right now] interpretation of what allah really meant when he says [blank] great question who cares what allah says anyway. God Bless.
I judge the Barsteads on What They Do !! ๐ Not on What Crap they do or do not Read !!.. A Cult of Barbarians !! ๐
Stay in Your own Sewer !!
Universal Khalifah Is Heresays
ANYWAYS YOU WHITE PIGS YOU WHITE PIG SHIT YOU WHITE PIG FUCKERS ARE EXTINCT RIGHT NOW YOU WHITE PIG SHITS ARE IN THE PIT OF HELL FOR ETERNITY WE WILL ROAST AND EAT YOUR WHITE YUMMY COOKED MEAT PREFER IT WELL DONE CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GO TRAVEL TO FUCKING HELL SACRIFICE AND EAT YOUR WHITE BABY FETUSES YOU ABORTION BABY SACRIFICING SCUM ALRIGHT YOU SERIOUS FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT YOU CALL YOURSELVES GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU SATAN WORSHIPPING SCUM YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE YOU STUPID IDIOT GROW SOME HEAD HAIR YOU HATE YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND THE LATIN AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE HATER YOU SELLOUT BASTARD YOU CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH YOU ARE NOT EVEN EGYPTIAN OR ARABIC YOU HOMOSEXUAL KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEER GET THE FUCK OUT OF PLANET EARTH RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST YOU LITTLE SATANIC PIECES OF SHIT KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT YOU WILL GO TO HELL WITH THE SATANIC INCEST INBRED LOSERS LIKE YOU BURN THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS DARWINISTS MATERIALISTS PAGANS AND ATHEISTS KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS YOUR NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE YOUR PIG FACE IS ON YOUR PROFILE PICTURE IT IS ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO SMELL THE WORST EVER WITH YOUR PUTRID PUS SPEWING GOO YOU WILL DROWN IN YOUR OWN BLOOD YOU HAVE ONLY PROVEN YOUR THE PAEDOPHILE LYING SATAN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES ANYWAYS YOU KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT NOBODY FEARS YOU SATANIC INCEST INBRED BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES! ALL JEWS ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST THERE WILL BE A HOLOCAUST IF YOU DO NOT LEAVE TEL AVIV NOW REARRANGE THE WORD ISRAEL YOU GET LIE LIES LIAR LIARS YOU ARE THE MUTILATIONS YOU ARE THE SODOMITES YOU ARE FROM JAPHETH GOMER AND ASHKENAZ THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ASHKENAZI JEWS GO BACK TO KHAZARIA YOUR ANCESTRAL LAND AND GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW YOU JEWISH REPUBLIC PIECES OF TRASH GARBAGE SCUM JEWS ARE THE UGLIEST INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SO CALLED JEWS SOUND HORRIBLE THIS IS THE WORST SPEECH EVER ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Smithsays
Into the oven he goes.
Peter Buckleysays
Nice to hear from the Religion of Peace again,
I’m sure Robert’s having a good laugh at your post.
When people get angry, it’s a sure sign their “side” are losing:
gravenimage.I read your other post, good break down of the ranting. However I wish UniK would post his trash at CNN or MSNBC or any other left leaning journal sites. He is pretty much preaching to the choir here. At JW most of us already know what a savage is.
Williamsays
You are one hell of a piece of work , enjoy the day now go out and be a man and support your wives and whatever god forsaken offspring !!
The Bullsays
Go for it dude! That is one huge vent. I bet you felt better after that! The good thing is this speech has had an effect on you. Your inability to refute anything in the speech whilst verbally abusing is a classic lesson in debating 101. Because you can’t win the debate you turn to attacking the individual. You just lost big time. Be a real man and admit defeat….then join the good side of civilization…you’ll have massive respect. Good Luck and God Bless.
TheBuffstersays
TheBull, your reply is full of wisdom and benevolence.
I, too, invite Universal Khalifah to the side of reason, rights, honesty, and benevolence. I’ve lived there all my life, and while it doesn’t guarantee you’ll never make philosophical mistakes, it does guarantee you the freedom to honestly question your philosophy or religion and thus to discover errors and bring your ideas into better alignment with the truth. If there’s a God, he made us with the capacity to keep honest (as well as the capacity to fool ourselves and others) and the kind of mind that has to *work* to find the truth, and therefore we have the need to be free to examine ideas and accept or reject them according to our understanding, knowledge, and honesty.
Screaming at people about your religion, calling names and cursing them to Hell is a sign of desperation. Are you, UniK, able to engage in a reasoned and calm discussion? Or has irrational ideology and hatred closed your mind to the best in you?
Heathersays
Allah IS Satan and MoHAMmad is his little messenger.
Michael Wardensays
Don’t be reticent old boy – speak up. Don’t beat about the bush. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Edisonsays
“THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST”
Normally a post such as above deserves no reply, but I thought it should be noted that the Koran refers to Jesus, by name 27 times, by inference another 18 times. How truthful does that make the Koran? if he didn’t exist?
FarmerMikesays
The post below is a letter I sent to the pastor of a local church.
FarmerMikesays
Rev. Pastor
Your church is one of the most satisfying churches we’ve attended in recent years. We are mostly home meditators, & it was the meditation group that first attracted us.
We also do readings, rather eclectically, before our meditations–to stir selected thoughts into our meditations. So, over the past year or so, we have become very interested in why Islamist jihadists are so violent. Well, the answer is mostly right out in plain sight, in the Koran itself.
The Koran has at least 109 “open-ended” commands to violence. Not arm’s-length descriptions of PAST events. But present-day commands to COMMIT VIOLENCE ON INFIDELS TODAY! No wonder ISIS is happily beheading infidels. Muslims are commanded to do so in the Koran!
[SeeTheReligionofPeace – About this Site – Islam: Making a True … About TheReligionofPeace.com. Glen Roberts, Editor : TheReligionofPeace.com is a pluralistic, non-partisan site concerned with Islam’s true political and … http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm/ Similar pages ]
True, most Muslims are not behaving in that violent way. But, from what I have read, that is true only because most Muslims don’t read the Koran, or they consider it just hyperbole, and so they subscribe to “metaphorical” interpretations.
But the fact remains, the Koran INSTRUCTS believers in the Koran to kill by beheading or crucifying infidels. Or burning them.
Oh, there is an alternative: Become a “dhimmitude,” a semi-slave citizen within Muslim society.
Meanwhile, sexual abuse & sex slavery is widely encouraged & practiced. Girls are routinely raped by their fathers & brothers & others. So are pre-pubuscent boys. That’s why Islamic heaven has “72 virgins, & 12 prepubescent boys, to do with as you want.”
This widespread Muslim practice pedophiliacould help explain why there are so many willing suicide bombers.
Islamic sharia’h law is making a rapid march across America. And whether we are church-goers or not, we need to take a stand against this stealth jihad marching through our communities under the cloak of “religious tolerance.”
We must NOT allow this to happen.
IMHO, one way to help stop this stealth jihad march is to mount a campaign to IMPEACH Obama, the chief “enabler.”
All the best,
FarmerMike
BCsays
Has anybody else noticed that when ‘god’ wants to send the word or a vision etc. to mankind/womankind
he chooses not some highly intelligent person but an uneducataed peasant(s)?
BCsays
Lest you call me an uneducated peasant it was a typo which I missed, apologies
Paulsays
You associate stuttering, stammering, with feeble,
I stammer. Are you insinuating that stammerers are feeble ???
David Wood says
The guy in this video is a total genius.
CGW says
Obviously! ; – )
Doglicka says
Lol! Thanks David. It’s a great point in relation to Islam. If everything in the book is great and perfect, then why is there any ambiguity at all?
I’m glad there are Muslims out there that choose to only believe the non-violent verses in the Koran, but it is not logical or reasonable to disseminate an ideology to suit yourself at any given point in time. You believe in ALL or NONE.
Islam should be outlawed and its adherents should not be allowed into western societies like any other member of a violent cult would not be allowed to immigrate.
particolor says
But But Way Wait a Min Minute !!.
Your not getting the Mess Message Right ? ๐
Rob Porter says
Dogkicka – David Wood is superb here. His is so mocking one cannot help but smile.
Neil Jennison says
Because Allah can errr…do….errr, what’s the phrase…..er…….these things if I, I mean we, or do we mean I, want?
Gayle Parker says
There is only one version of the Koran and there is no mistaking how violent it is. Most so-called moderate muslims have not even read it.
TH says
YOu see, muslim logic is different. It includes maintaining two contradictory ideas in ones mind at the same time and considering both true. That is because Allah is totally abitrary and can order two contradictory things at the same time. On Islamic “logic” check out Bill Warner’s website http://www.politicalislam.com In passing, check out his recent video about “A bad islam”.
duh_swami says
That’s what they all say…
cs says
LMAO.
Great video btw David, keep the good work.
Beagle says
He is, but it will be tough to top the video in which he uses Islamic scripture to prove Muhammad was a false prophet by his own terms. After watching that one I began to wonder if Islam was not a practical joke, albeit a uniquely bloody and depraved joke, which was simply not understood by Muslims for 1400 years. I had never seen that argument before despite studying Islam for going on 15 years (USS Cole).
Not to mention the stages of jihad which allowed me to link a single humorous and yet brilliantly clarifying video rather than type a half dozen paragraphs on blogs in order to try to explain the seemingly confusing mess we see in Islam today. That one comes in handy almost daily.
Keep them coming. I salute you and your work.
TheBuffster says
Beagle, are you referring the one where Allah severs Mohammad’s aorta? That *was* brilliant.
Yep, the guy in this video is a genius.
Good-lookin’, too. ๐
Beagle says
Yes, the severed aorta being divine punishment of a false prophet mentioned in Islamic scripture and how Muhammad described his suffering when he was poisoned to death.
Hard to explain that in any way other than Muhammad embedding within Islam an admission he is a false prophet.
cs says
The one who opened my eyes wider was the 3 stages of Jihad, that was a classic.
TheBuffster says
Totally, David, totally!
pumbar says
That was good. There are a few beers for you if I ever bump into you David.
Angemon says
David Wood posted:
“The guy in this video is a total genius.”
I concur, and I hope we can keep seeing (much) more of him ๐
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Born with a face designed for relentless delivery of total ironical disdain. But there is none stated, there is no evading what is stated. Genius indeed.
I dunno about the rest of you guys, but I’m sick of Allah. I’m not sick of David Wood, though. He should be broadcast nightly on all the nightly news TV channels. That’s you, DW.
Mo says
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer says
“Born with a face designed for relentless delivery of total ironical disdain.”
Ha! That is such a perfect description of David! He always makes me laugh, while teaching me so much more that I did not know about Islam.
cs says
He is precise and he is fun. Great articulation of ideas.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
A great communicator, in stark contrast to the Holy God Allah (pbuh*).
* Persistently Blathering Unhinged Hysteria
cs says
In the case of Allah (SWT) is used.
Joe says
He is a very smart, very funny man. I’ve met him once and he was totally charming. Bear in mind how often muslims/leftists threaten & assault those who criticise islam, David Wood goes alone into public debates where he takes on the best apologists muslims can throw at him. And David wins. When I saw him at one of these events, afterwards David was surrounded by cheery, polite people (some may even have been muslims). Meanwhile, his opponent was surrounded by angry, agitate people (most of whom were certainly muslims).
David Wood should have been made famous by national TV companies all over the world. Instead, the quisling media are intent on ensuring that no informed debate on islam ever occurs.
Samantha says
I totally agree. Wood’s articulate message blows away the fog created by promoters of the so-called religion of peace.
Stendec says
David Wood, you fail to understand that Allah is “nuanced,” just like the idiots in Washington. That everything he says means the opposite of what the words literally mean is just, to the Muslims, a sign of his marvelous sophistication. Furthermore, the fact that you notice this at all proves to them that you are some kind of bigoted, simple-minded troglodyte–just another example of the “vilest of created beings.”
That perverted “logic” is the kind of thinking (if you can call it that) that we are all up against.
mortimer says
“Allah is โnuanced,โ just like the idiots in Washington”
Yes, exactly. When Obama says, ‘The future should not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam’, Obama REALLY means that he wants to defend the free speech of Americans.
particolor says
We have a saying in Australia !! If its a Politician ! And its Lips Moved ! Reverse what it said !! ๐
Cheers !!
Mo says
@ particolor
“We have a saying in Australia !! If its a Politician ! And its Lips Moved ! Reverse what it said !! ๐
Cheers !!”
Ha! I knew I liked you Aussies!
Bradamante says
Oh, that was wonderful. My goodness.
No Fear says
Another gem from David Wood. Like Robert Spencer he uses clear well formed language.
Fin says
David Wood is Awesome ! Tells it like it is
mortimer says
David Wood demonstrates in this video how Muslims don’t trust Allah in the Koran because they constantly reinterpret and rephrase his words, then tell us Westerners that he is not saying what he plainly says.
In the Western world, Islamic apologists spend most of their time explaining to Kafirs why Allah’s violent hate language cannot be taken seriously. Allah REALLY means something opposite of what his words clearly say.
If Muslims do not believe the words of Allah are ‘clear’ (and therefore literally true), why should we care what Allah says? He says he is ‘clear’ in the Koran, but Muslims claim Allah’s words are very obscure, thus demonstrating that they disbelieve Allah.
Allah’s words are obviously not ‘clear’ since they cannot be understood literally without special training and without years of studying clever rationalizations that seek to explain why Allah contradicts himself hundreds of times, speaks ungrammatically and repeats the same messages over and over with different nuances, different facts and different words. Allah seems befuddled in the Koran…not at all like an omniscient, almighty being, let alone a competent writer of this supposedly ‘perfect’, but highly flawed book.
Demsci says
David Wood, Mortimer, SOOOOOO well said. I so hope this video will haunt the Muslims. And then the Policors (Political Corrects) for a long, long time. Until they themselves are finally ready to deal with this AVIO (Ambiguity Vagueness, Incompleteness, Obsoleteness) and especially the many contradictions. if not the Muslims then at least those tiresome defenders if Islam and Muslims, especially in the media and high places (the government).
And the very ambiguity, vagueness incompleteness, obsoleteness and many contradictions should allow Westerners to request, then demand, from Muslims a different interpretation of key texts in Quran-Hadiths-Sira that are most “prone to anti-democratic, theocratic, totalitarian and criminal violent” interpretation. As their are millions of Muslims with this kind of “interpretations” of those key texts.
I like David Wood’s video to be thrown at these Islam-defenders and condoners amongst us. When they then come up with comparison with the bible, we can then point out that there not so many
“anti-democratic, theocratic, totalitarian and criminal violent” interpretaters of biblical texts. So if they want to compare let them compare the followers’interpretations also.
Islofob IS-1 says
Allah is only a straw-god. The true “god” in islam was the human Muhammad.
Draw a cartoon of Allah, see if it matters.
citycat says
He seems right enough
And there’s more behind closed doors than is found in the Koran
particolor says
Yep!! And it turns them into Rabid Fruit Loops !!
Peter Buckley says
Anyone can easily prove that the Quran cannot possibly be the Word of God, BECAUSE THE QURAN ITSELF SAYS IT ISN’T THE WORD OF GOD.
When I studied Islam many moons ago at school, our teacher pointed out the Quran itself admits it isn’t the word of God, and then proceeded to demonstrate this. Anybody can go online and use this rationale with any muslim. It goes like this:
The Word of God must be “perfect”, yes?
The Quran itself says it isn’t “perfect”. What? Yes indeed. Here’s how:
Quran 5:3 says: “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”
Note that. “THIS DAY”. Therefore, up to this point, the religion is, ipso fact, “imperfect”.
Now let’s add the context…..As you can see from the chrononlogical list of suras, according to Islamic scholars themselves, sura 5 is one of the last to be revealed. Two sites here:
https://yassarnalquran.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/chronological-order.pdf.
http://www.missionislam.com/quran/revealationorder.htm
Therefore, since sura 5 is right at the end of the Quran, all that precedes it is, by its own definition, “imperfect”. Therefore, virtually the whole book is, by its own rationale, “imperfect”. Even worse (if you are a muslim) , what follows sura 5 (i.e. sura 9) is the most violent sura in the whole book. So, according to the Quran’ own logic, the most violent section in the book is the only “perfected” part. Therefore, the Quran itself says it is imperfect, therefore it cannot be the Word of God.
QED.
I have actually known muslims stop going to their mosque after this has been pointed out to them. You are quite welcome to copy and paste the logic above and debate muslims online. I have done it myself, and you get a STUNNED SILENCE in response.
Or you could just post David Wood’s little piece.
Have a nice day…….
mach37 says
Nuanced? Allah, or whoever put the words in the Koran, was the most schizophrenic writer ever. The same verse often goes from “main, kill, terrorize” to “forgive and be nice” while barely pausing to take a breath.
particolor says
I think it would be extremely hard to be nice while He was Beheading someone ?? ๐
Ian says
They all err, Muslims, Jews,Christians and Zoroastrians
Humanity follows two worldwide sects
One Man intelligent without religion
The second religious without intellect
Abu ala al-Ma’arri (C975-1058)
Born near Aleppo in what is now Syria – would he have gotten away with in the 21stC?
Demsci says
What is wrong with intelligent people without religion?
Although, perhaps spirituality (instead of religion) and a sense of history and science might well augment / improve the mind of the intelligent person and the society around him.
And oh, I do not necessarily discount as somehow “wrong” ALL people with religion but without intelligence, no. Only some.
gravenimage says
The al-Nusra Front beheaded a statue of Ma’am in Syria in 2013.
Andrew GB says
The koran for dummies.
By my own admission i’m a dummy and I understand this. So what does it make the bearded hairballs and walking postboxes that don’t get it? …………..
Ferdinand (@StFerdinandIII) says
Baal is a moon deity and the Lord of Mecca never did communicate and cannot communicate – unless you believe that an insane 40 year old totalitarian wannabe had conversations with his family idol.
Oscar Santos says
Muslims make sense of all the Quranโs confusion and contradictions by imagining that Allah revealed his messages to Muhammad gradually, as and when needed. Whenever one message is in conflict with another it is the latter verse that is stronger. In other words, this is what Allah really means, but people were not ready to hear it earlier.
Unfortunately, the messages from the Medina period in the last years of Muhammadโs life are generally far more violent, bigoted, misogynistic and barbaric than his earlier time in Mecca. Despite this, Muslims think that the Quran is the exact word of Allah, so it has to be obeyed.
There is, however, another way to interpret all this. During his time in Mecca Muhammad was married to his first wife, Khadija. She was considerably older than him, wealthy from her business dealings, far more educated than the illiterate Muhammad, but due to the position of women in that society, unable to achieve real power or influence. Her solution was to make up the revelations and background details for the ambitious Muhammad to reveal. He was the front man; she was the power behind him. Her messages were often about promoting the position of women or increasing understanding between different sections of society.
When Khadija died and Muhammad moved to Medina he was free of her more liberal influence and his true personality was allowed the freedom to express itself in all its savagery. Whatever suited Muhammadโs uncontrollable ambition was conveniently sanctioned by Allah, just when he needed it. This psychopathic nonsense is what Muslims are asked to follow!
wildjew says
OK, I am going to stir up a hornet’s nest. I am by no means comparing Jesus’ revelation (or even Paul’s revelation) to Muhammad’s revelation but don’t Christians also believe in progressive revelation?
Abdullah Yusuf Ali wrote on Surah 2:106: “What is the meaning here? If we take it in a general sense, it means that God’s Message from age to age is always the same, but that its form may differ according to the needs and the exigencies of the time. That form was different as given to Moses and then to Jesus and then to Muhammad. Some commentators apply it to the Ayat in the Qur’an. There is nothing derogatory in this if we believe in progressive revelation.”
I have this discussion often with my Christian friends and neighbors. There is no question committed Christians believe in a kind of progressive revelation.
Here, just yesterday a Christian neighbor answered my question about his antinomian interpretation of the epistles of Paul:
He wrote: “Antinomian”…after a short trip to dictionarydotcom……that’s exactly what I’m saying.
“A perfect irony exists in Saul-turned-Paul. Paul, one of the 70 most knowledgeable Jews in his time, learned the hard way that the Law was of no affect to salvation after the Resurrection of Jesus. It makes perfect sense because if it were possible for man’s works (sic), outside of Grace, to save himself or to defeat evil then the Crucifixion of Jesus was nothing more than a simple murder.
“The Law gave man an impossible path to salvation through his own works. Through the Sacrifice (Blood) of Jesus are ALL sins forgiven, not through any work of man. Jesus, almost 2000 years ago, defeated evil on the Cross, and then gave man time to understand and believe what He has already finished that more may come to him….”
This is progressive revelation, is it not?
Angemon says
I believe they do. However, the issue should not be whether the Jewish and Christian revelations were progressive, but the contents of the revelations themselves. The Jewish and Christian texts, which go from “go and kill the midianites” to “love thy neighbour”, were written by several people spread out through thousands of years while Muhammad’s “revelations”, which go from “you have your religion and I have mine” to “fight those who do not believe in alah”, were spread through 23-years.
And that’s not even factoring context – as Aisha noted, “I feel that your[muhammad’s] Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires”.
I’m wondering how Yusuf Ali managed to conciliate what he wrote with what islam teaches – that the Bible is corrupt, that Jewish and Christian biblical figures and prophets all taught islam and that it were their disciples that twisted their teachings into the Judaism and Christianity we know today, and that references to the coming of muhammad were purposely scrubbed out of the Bible by people jealous of muhammad’s “success”.
Peter Buckley says
Indeed.
“…as Aisha noted, โI feel that your[muhammadโs] Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desiresโ.
This is what I have called Aisha’s “giveaway comment”, particularly revealing as it came from his “favourite wife”:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/NF2213236?thread=7680119
And then there was the strange case of the Christian scribe who was noting down Muhammad’s revelations, before quitting his post, and then being found dead:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbreligion/NF2213236?thread=7717378
More and more muslims are realising that Muhammad’s “revelations” were merely convenient permissions from his “Allah”. The problem true muslims have is this:
If you read the Quran “correctly” (i.e. in context), it is obvious Muhammad is a man who uses his religious knowledge to obtain political power, and thereby access to money (“booty” in the Quran), and sex (either another wife from the conquered tribe, or more sex-slaves.
If you take Muhammad as an “excellent example” (Quran 33:21) and the “final messenger”, then you’re left with a whole load of contradictions, not to mention the never-ending phenomenon of muslims killing other muslims.
Mo says
@ wildjew
“OK, I am going to stir up a hornetโs nest. I am by no means comparing Jesusโ revelation (or even Paulโs revelation) to Muhammadโs revelation but donโt Christians also believe in progressive revelation?”
This is progressive revelation, is it not?”
I suppose so. But it’s progressive in the sense that we’re given more of the whole story/plan as time goes along. Think of a complicated movie plot where you think things are going one way and then you learn more and more, until the full picture is finally revealed and you say, “Oh, now I get it! Now all these confusing bits and piece and seemingly contradictory things make sense!”
The Bible has one long plot from beginning to end. Jesus’ crucifixion was always the main plan for salvation. For various reasons, it took many events and a great deal of time to get that point. But it’s not like God had one idea and then ditched it and found another. It’s all part of the same plan and story and it all fits together perfectly. Once you look at the full picture, it does make sense.
Contrast that to Mohammad’s “revelations”. Aside from the content they are contradictory. There doesn’t seem to be a cohesive plot to the Koran. There doesn’t seem to be a plan from beginning to end. The Koran offers no salvation anyway – not even for Muslims. Even Muslims don’t have any assurance of forgiveness or salvation. It’s very sad.
Honestly, even if you’re looking at the Bible and the Koran simply as literature, I don’t see how it can be denied that the Bible has a much more compelling, understandable, meaningful story!
All of that aside, the most important aspect here should be:
1) the content of the revelations, and
2) the fact that neither Jews nor Christians go around slaughtering people over it
One of the things that shocked me most about Islam is how terrified Mohammad was when his visions/revelations began, how he thought he was possessed, and how he even wanted to die.
Even if I knew nothing else about Islam, this one fact would have given me pause. How can you trust a “prophet” of God when he’s not even sure himself if he’s insane, possessed by evil forces, or actually hearing from God?
Of all the disturbing things about Islam, I found this aspect one of the most disturbing of all.
wildjew says
When Robert Spencer is asked about the violent verses in the Torah, he says something to the effect, Jews and Christians do not take these as marching orders today. My guess is for the vast majority of Jews and Christians that is true but it is also progressive revelation, isn’t it? Orthodox Jews would not say, “we do not take some of the commandments regarding warfare as marching orders today.” I am NOT an Orthodox (religious) Jew. I do not say these are not marching orders for our day. I do not believe in progressive revelation. Progressive revelations indicates earlier revelation was somehow faulty or temporal.
Mo says
@ wildjew
“When Robert Spencer is asked about the violent verses in the Torah, he says something to the effect, Jews and Christians do not take these as marching orders today.”
There are no open-ended commands anywhere in the OT for Jews to commit violence against unbelievers.
wildjew says
Mo, you are correct. If you read the Torah carefully, it is the vile or wicked behavior of the peoples living in the land (that Moses spoke at length about) whereby God ordered Joshua to destroy them or to drive them out.
“You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deu 12:31)
Unlike Islam it was not simple believe or unbelief that was the problem. Only the law of Moses is unique in this regard. Other great world religious put emphasis on simple belief or unbelief according to the idea of progressive revelation.
Mo says
@ wildjew
“Mo, you are correct. If you read the Torah carefully, it is the vile or wicked behavior of the peoples living in the land (that Moses spoke at length about) whereby God ordered Joshua to destroy them or to drive them out.”
Absolutely right. It was all about judgment for sins. And it wasn’t run-of-the-mill types of sins, but egregious things like gross idolatry/sexual immorality and even child sacrifice! I don’t have references at the moment, but over and over it says that God even gave them ample time to repent!
And when Israel participated in some of these same types of sins, they were judged as well.
People who whine about “genocide” and all the rest in the OT have never read any of it, other than bits and pieces found at anti-theist websites.
“Unlike Islam it was not simple believe or unbelief that was the problem. Only the law of Moses is unique in this regard. Other great world religious put emphasis on simple belief or unbelief according to the idea of progressive revelation.”
Exactly right. But again, most of the people who whine about this stuff have never once bothered to actually read the texts in question with a sincere desire to learn what’s actually being said. It’s not like it’s even complicated or difficult. It’s all laid out very clearly.
It never ceases to amaze me that even with the entire world of information now at our fingertips, people still CHOOSE to remain so ignorant.
Diana says
wildjew, there is a difference between “progressive revelation” and “abrogation”.
“Progressive revelation” is the idea that new revelations throw light on the old. For example, Joshua was commanded to destroy sinners. 500 years later, David fought in self-defence, but he was commanded to look inwards at his own sin. Another 500 years later, Ezra established a peaceable society in which the frightening punishments of Moses were rarely practised because the emphasis was on living righteously, not on how wrongdoing might be punished.
When we teach Christians to read the Tanakh, we tell them to look for the underlying principle but to consider it in the light of the New Testament. For example, the command to stone adulterers to death is still in the Bible. It tells us that adultery is a sin. But the New Testament equivalent to capital punishment is excommunication from the Church. So the stoning to death cannot be practised by modern Christians. (I don’t think Ezra agreed with it either.)
“Abrogation” is much cruder. It simply means that the earlier texts were wrong. They can be overlooked and forgotten.
Beagle says
Disturbingly, the only ‘guarantee’ of paradise in the Quran, the strongest language in the entire book, is for those who “slay and are slain” in jihad. (Quran 9.111)
It’s written as a binding promise on Allah. But of course Allah is viewed as arbitrary and capricious in every other context. Muslims say things like “the apple falls from the tree because Allah wills it.” Even gravity is not guaranteed, but paradise for murder is, allegedly.
Larry says
JEREMIAH & JESUS WERE TORAH JEWS, NOT TALMUDIC JEWS!
If you read Jeremiah ch 7 and underline verses 21 to 27, you will see that God did not teach the sacrificial system to the Jews. His House was to be a House of Prayer for ALL nations, NOT a House of Blood.
Both Jeremiah and Jesus preached the SAME message!
The reason Jesus was crucified was because he condemned the Sacrificial System (Matthew ch 21:10-16;Mark 11:15-19;John 2:13-22).
ISLAM IS A CULT OF TALMUDIC JUDAISM AND THE FIRST QURAN WAS AUTHORIZED BY RABBI ABU BAKR, THE FIRST CALIPH.
(See HISTORY OF PALESTINE 614-1096 C.E.
From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.
By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850)
cs says
Not really, there are so many differences, I even don’t know from where to start.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
OK, I am going to stir up a hornetโs nest.
Not really. Going all the way back to the Torah, and through the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures, and on through the New Testament, the Bible is a series of parables left exposed to the imprint of the consumer. It’s one thing to enlighten one’s current taking of a scripture from one’s circumstance, it’s another to lie to others or even to oneself to progressively imprint it so as to reinterpret it to deceive.
Islam is a paradox: it takes power from others while deceiving oneself about what is being done in the reading.
wildjew says
When Obama supporting leftists ask me about the commandment in the Torah to kill everyone in a city (actually Joshua and his army did not kill everyone but that is another matter), I ask them about their heroes, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman who ordered the firebombings (terror-bombings) of German cities (men, women, children and animals were incinerated by the hundreds of thousands), the firebombings of Tokyo and the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Keep in mind, the second world war was the last war the United States won. I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals? Either I do not get a response or they say, “that was different,” and that is the end of that. Maybe God, like Churchill, knows how to wage war.
Demsci says
//”I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals?”//
So difficult to counter, because we want to be fair, and we do not ever want to be hypocrites using double standards. And frankly, I see that a lot among Muslims, I will say.
Nowadays I tend to admit faults on”our side”, among our beloved leaders”, people.
In order to later be able to tear down the hypocrisy, double standards, that are used by Muslim propagandists, like those of Iran or ISIS, and used by so many Muslims AND Islam-defenders when they start whining about America and the West and their misdeeds.
Demsci says
To clarify, WHEN they whine about America’s policy and misdeeds, I THEN point all the OTHER misdeeds of OTHER people, especially the Muslims, including Mohammed.
example; the Americans get grilled about killing innocents. but I can retort; how about Mohammed killing the men and boys of the Abu Quraiza tribe?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I ask them, were FDR, Churchill, Truman war criminals? Either I do not get a response or they say, โthat was different” …
I’ll respond: none of them were criminals. FDR committed some serious crimes in political economics, so serious that his misdeeds harm us even to this day, just Marxian enough to push for lawlessness. But he wasn’t a war criminal.
wildjew says
I agree, FDR was not a war criminal but in what way did what Roosevelt order differ from what God commanded Moses and Joshua to do?
Mo says
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer
“Not really. Going all the way back to the Torah, and through the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures, and on through the New Testament, the Bible is a series of parables left exposed to the imprint of the consumer.”
Not really. The Bible has some parables, but it’s not all parables. Nor is it “left exposed to the imprint of the consumer” – whatever exactly that means. It’s meant to be a historical account of events, while having a lot of different types of literature in it. It’s not just one book. It’s a compilation of books.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yeah yeah, I got the compilation of books part in, oh, the fifth grade. But it’s predominate literary form is that of a parable, events cast in a story with a clear moral outcome. Your assertion that it’s intended as an historical account becomes almost irrelevant given its latency and approximation, a subject widely debated for ages now.
A consumer of any book or other media imprints its contents with his context. For example, a guy reading Hosea might apply a different standard for sexual decency than a Jew from centuries before Christ.
The point is that the Bible forces you to dispose of a conclusion one way or the other. The Koran does not such thing, its stories reading like a running diary filled with accounts, boasts and contradictions, but only the conclusion that Allah gives victory which gives fulfillment. From there the denials and lies start.
Mo says
@ Alarmed Pig Farmer
“Yeah yeah, I got the compilation of books part in, oh, the fifth grade.”
Take your condescension elsewhere. It’s not just “parables” all right? If you’d read it, you’d know that.
(And if you think I read any further you are mistaken. You think you can talk to me like trash and then expect me to keep going?)
How about laying off of a book you seem to know very little about and get back to ISLAM? You know, the point of this site and the cause of so much of the trouble we’re seeing in the world today? How about that?
wildjew says
What do you mean by “given its latency and approximation” ?
Mo says
@ wildjew
“What do you mean by โgiven its latency and approximationโ ?”
That was not me. I was quoting Alarmed Pig Farmer’s statement. (In the portion after I even stopped reading, because the beginning was so condescending.)
cs says
Notice that from all religions worldwide Judaism is the one who endured most changes since its beginnings.
In XVI century for instance the ARI included reincarnation and a lot of other stuff, all this was included in Hassidism. So religious Judaism is a renascentist version of the Ancient religion, that is valid, because oral Torah, IS REVEALED BIT BY BIT, and will be FULLY REVEALED WHEN THE MASHIAH FINALLY COMES.
Tikkuney Zohar says that a good part of the Mitzvot will change, Judaism may be very different again when we achieve a lot of knowledge about all of us.
This time may be very close, whether with a mashiah or not.
wildjew says
I do not believe the oral tradition has the weight of the written law and the prophets. Talmud to me is little more than commentary by early first century rabbis despite the claims by some of my fellow Jews. Moses was clear. He commanded the Israelites to not add to nor take away from the commandments he gave Israel. The Talmud does exactly what Moses warned not to do. I believe the idea of reincarnation is alluded to (implicit) in the Bible.
cs says
I take the Rambam and the ARI very seriously, very enlightened individuals.
One Rational the other mystical.
Ayatrollah says
Christians can’t teach Islam like this. It is a violation of shariah. The Muslim authority must control the narrative. For pointing out foolish things from Allah , David May taste the fire. Rememer the fire.
Peter Buckley says
“For pointing out foolish things from Allah , David May taste the fire. Rememer the fire.”
Interesting comment. If David’s comments are “foolish”, presumably you’ll be happy to debate live.
Perhaps by “foolish”, you mean that his comments aren’t foolish (i.e. they are correct), but the fact that he has stated them publicly, and you cannot deny the truth of what he says.
Perhaps you don’t want muslims to listen, because you fear that the truth will lead them to realise that he is right, and that they will leave the faith.
I understand your fear, but I’m afraid it’s a bit late. The cat is “out of the bag”, so to speak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APVCAxF4C8Q#t=22
Have a nice day……
cs says
yep, things they don’t want you to know.
gravenimage says
Peter, Ayatrollah is an *Anti-Jihadist*, not a Muslim troll.
Papa Whiskey says
Yes, remember the fire — to which that poor pilot was subjected. And be ready to fire back.
Or even first.
gravenimage says
Ayatrollah wrote:
Christians canโt teach Islam like this. It is a violation of shariah. The Muslim authority must control the narrative…
………………………….
You are right, Ayatrollahโin the Pact of Umar, which lays out the strictures of dhimmitude, Infidels are forbidden to “teach the Qur’an to their children”.
Mo says
@ Gravenimage
“You are right, Ayatrollahโin the Pact of Umar, which lays out the strictures of dhimmitude, Infidels are forbidden to โteach the Qurโan to their childrenโ.
Is that right? Wow!
gravenimage says
It’s true, Mo. Here’s the quote:
“We shall not teach the Qur’an to our children.”
Since Infidels also have to promise, “We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it”, it is clear that it is not that Muslims don’t want the children of Infidels to eventually learn the Qur’an, but that they want them to do it *as Muslim converts*, where Muslims can control how the Qur’an is to be regarded.
In other words, they don’t want Infidels to do what David Wood is doingโreading the Qur’an with a critical eye, and daring to talk about it to other Infidels.
Here’s the Pact of Umar:
http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.asp
It is a short document, and well worth reading. It explains a great deal about how Muslims treat the “filthy Kuffar” whenever they have the upper handโand is yet another sign that Islam has not changed since the Dark Ages.
Mo says
@ Gravenimage
Thanks for this.
My heart was racing in rage as I read it. The unbelievable ARROGANCE of these Muslims! Who in the blazes do they think they are, treating others this way?!
This one really got to me, for some reason:
“We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.”
Are you kidding me?! Yeah, that’ll be the day, when I do that. Or any of this garbage. And I do mean that seriously. I’d rather die than bow to these cultists!
Who is it here that signs their posts, “God, I hate Islam”?
Yes. That!
TheBuffster says
Thanks, Graven. I’ve added the link to the Pact of Umar to my favorites. Should come in handy on Facebook and elsewhere.
FarnerNike says
Friends, speaking of communication & politicians, has anyone on this blog communicated w/ their Congress Person, for the purpose of having a face to face meeting & presenting materials to that Congress Person to initiate impeachment proceedings against Obama? Or, in Australia of the UK, for the purpose impeaching… whoever? We can’t just go on complaining and criticizing. We have to take action.
I’ve made contact w/ my Congress Person; am waiting for a reply. If I can’t arrange a meeting, at least I’ll send in another letter, expressing my concerns, esp. before Israel’s President Netanyahu speaks to the US Congress. Netanyahu’s appearance is a very critical event. We need to flood Congress with our concerns. We must not just be talkers; we must become activists.
I plan to take print-outs of Robert’s Feb. 8, 2011 article on “Obama’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” a known terrorist organization. (See “The Muslim Brotherhood” by Britt Parramore, online.) Also, a HuffPost article by Allen West, on “Muslim Brotherhood ‘Infiltrated’ Obama Administration” (8-15-2013). Also An article availabe online by Rod Dreher, “Defeat the Third Jihad: For the third time in history, orthodox Muslims are making a serious bid for world domination.” I’ll also take along articles by Ben Swann & others about the US military training ISIS rebels to fight against Assad in Syria.
Anyone else doing likewise?
Louis Farrakhan IV says
RIDDLE ME THIS:
911 WAS A HOME RUN
The Twin Towers were sold a few weeks before 911. The purchaser immediately insured them against TERRORIST attack. He stipulated in the contract, that in the event of the Twin Towers being destroyed, he would rebuild on their FOOTPRINT.
GROUND ZERO is a term to describe a place where a WMD has exploded.
The owner of the Twin Towers also owned Tower 7.
All 3 Towers were destroyed by WMD.
The owner of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 got $1.5 BILLION from his insurance claim.
Which part of this comment don’t you Moronic Cretins understand?
BOXCUTTERS ARE NOT WMD!
OH YEAH
911 was the BIGGEST Gold Bullion/Stocks/Shares robbery EVER!
The Towers were the SMOKE & MIRRORS to pull the wool over your eyes!
The “terroristsโ were SAUDI ARABIANS – Bush attacked IRAQ!
911 WAS AN ANSWER TO A JEWISH PRAYER
The World Trade Center complex came under the control of a private owner for the first time only in mid-2001, having been built and managed by the Port Authority as a public resource. The complex was leased to a partnership of Silverstein Properties and Westfield America. 1 2 The new controllers acquired a handsome insurance policy for the complex including a clause that would prove extremely valuable: in the event of a terrorist attack, the partnership could collect the insured
value of the property, and be released from their obligations under the 99-year lease. 3
References
1. Westfield Nabs Trade Center mall, ICSC.org, 6/2/2001 [cached].
2. Governor Pataki, Acting Governor DiFrancesco Laud Historic Port Authority Agreement to Privatize World Trade
Center, Port Authority on NY & NJ, 7/24/01 [cached].
3. Reinsurance Companies Wait to Sort Out Cost of Damage, New York Times, 9/12/01, page C
JOHN OโNEILL
Head Investigator Of The USS Cole Attack
Assassinated
John OโNeill’s
Background
He had been with the FBI for 20 years, and was involved in investigating a number of terrorist cases, including the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing. He was considered the FBIโs top man on terrorism. In the late 1990โs, he became very attuned to Israelโs involvement in many terror operations.
The 1993 Bombing At The World Trade Center
Following the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, he had become the foremost expert on the global threat from terrorism
John O’Neill Suspected The Israeli Agent, Abu Nidal
Abu Nidal was the leader of the infamous Black September terror organization, and spent 30 years hijacking jets and planting bombs for Israel intelligence. O’Neill suspected Abu Nidal was a Mossad operative and talked openly about it with other field agents.
O’Neill Was Sent To Investigate the USS Cole Attack
He took a team of FBI agents to Yemen, where his investigation pointed to Israeli involvement.
Barbara Bodine – Ambassador to Yemen During USS Cole Attack
Bodine, who is Jewish, was the Ambassador to Yemen.
When the USS Cole was attacked, the FBI sent a team led by John OโNeill who immediately suspected Israeli involvement. Bodine started an intense political battle to oust OโNeill.
Bodine wanted to control the investigation, and resented the fact that suddenly there were hundreds of FBI personnel in the country.
Albright provided a handful of State Department personnel to watch the investigation.
Albright and Bodine Panic as OโNeill Investigation Points to Israel
Albright complains to upper echelons of the FBI about O’Neill. 8
Bodine wanted O’Neill to drop his bodyguards and he became suspicious of Mossad assassination. Bodine and Madeleine Albright finally went to the Zionist Jewish FBI Director, Louis Freeh, to remove John O’Neill from Yemen.
Then January 2001 came, and O’Neill wanted to go back to Yemen. But, Ambassador Bodine wouldn’t give him clearance. In July 2001, OโNeill resigned from the FBI.
Larry Silverstein Offered Him a Job
In September of 2001, mere days before 9/11, he got a job offer from Larry Silverstein (owner of WTC). Oddly, O’Neill was missing for two days before 9/11 โmiraculously his body was discovered in tact in the WTC ruins.
DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT.
gravenimage says
The repulsive self-styled Louis Farrakhan IV wrote:
RIDDLE ME THIS:
911 WAS A HOME RUN
…………………………..
Only a vicious Mohammedan would consider this horrifying atrocity a “home run”. *Ugh*.
More:
The Twin Towers were sold a few weeks before 911. The purchaser immediately insured them against TERRORIST attack. He stipulated in the contract, that in the event of the Twin Towers being destroyed, he would rebuild on their FOOTPRINT.
…………………………..
“Louis Farrakhan” would have us believe that this is suspicious, but in fact the World Trade Center was attacked by Jihad terrorists in 1993, when they exploded a bomb in the parking structure and murdered six people. So the idea that the WTC could be attacked by terrorists was *hardly* outrageous.
More:
GROUND ZERO is a term to describe a place where a WMD has exploded.
…………………………..
That is, of course, only definition of the term. “Ground Zero” can also be used to describe the center of any major event:
“the center or origin of rapid, intense, or violent activity or change”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ground%20zero
More:
The owner of the Twin Towers also owned Tower 7.
All 3 Towers were destroyed by WMD.
The owner of the Twin Towers and Tower 7 got $1.5 BILLION from his insurance claim.
Which part of this comment donโt you Moronic Cretins understand?
…………………………..
The idea that the horror of 9/11 was an elaborate insurance scam is utterly grotesqueโbesides the calumny, the fact is that these buildings were quite lucrative.
It is, really, like accusing anyone of losing their home to fire of setting the fire themselves if the house was insuredโas it would have to be, by law.
In addition, even such a nefarious scenario would not explain the hijacking of the other planes, nor the fact that one of them was flown into the Pentagonโa government owned building, whom no private individual would “benefit” from destroying.
And there is the usual problem with this conspiracy theory, in any caseโif the buildings were brought down by explosives, why bother flying planes into them at all?
More:
BOXCUTTERS ARE NOT WMD!
…………………………..
They didn’t have to be. The boxcutters were to keep the passengers and crew in lineโit was the fuel-heavy airplanes themselves that served as weapons when flown into the towers and the Pentagon.
Moreover, we saw what happened on United 93, when the brave passengers learned of the fate of the other hijacked planes, and *fought back*. They were able to prevent the plane being used as a bomb against any other targetโin their case, the target was probably either the Capitol or the White House.
More:
OH YEAH
…………………………..
Only a Muslim thug would glory over this mass murder and destruction. *Ugh*.
More:
911 was the BIGGEST Gold Bullion/Stocks/Shares robbery EVER!
The Towers were the SMOKE & MIRRORS to pull the wool over your eyes!
The โterroristsโ were SAUDI ARABIANS โ Bush attacked IRAQ!
911 WAS AN ANSWER TO A JEWISH PRAYER
…………………………..
More insane Islamic antisemitism.
Never mind that there have now been *over 25,000* Jihad terror attacks all over the world just since 9/11โwould he have us believe that they were *all* pulled off byโwho? Mossad? Greedy Jewish-American properly owners? George Bush?
More:
John OโNeill Suspected The Israeli Agent, Abu Nidal
…………………………..
Abu Nidal, of course, was not an “Israeli agent”, but the founder of Fatah, himself a Jihad terrorist who explicitly sought the destruction of Israel.
And the idea that those killed in the WTC were somehow murdered by Mossad agents could not be more ludicrous.
More:
DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT.
…………………………..
“Louis Farrakhan” want us to ignore 1400 years of Muslim savageryโcarried out *exactly* on the texts and tenets of the Qur’an and the model of the “Prophet”, and pretend that it has all been carried out by the tiny population of civilized Israel.
Who knows what this poster’s actual connections are to the violent Nation of Islamโbut the fact is that that body has itself carried out Jihad terrorism, and seeks the destruction of the United States and the rest of the free West. *Ugh*.
FarmerMike says
Speaking of communication, has anyone on this blog communicated w/ their Congress Person, for the purpose of having a face to face meeting & presenting materials to that Congress Person to initiate impeachment proceedings against Obama? Or, in Australia of the UK, for the purpose impeaching… whoever? We can’t just go on complaining and criticizing. We have to take action.
I’ve made contact w/ my Congress Person; am waiting for a reply. If I can’t arrange a meeting, at least I’ll send in another letter, expressing my concerns, esp. before Israel’s President Netanyahu speaks to the US Congress. Netanyahu’s appearance is a very critical event. We need to flood Congress with our concerns. We must not just be talkers; we must become activists.
I plan to take print-outs of Robert’s Feb. 8, 2011 article on “Obama’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” a known terrorist organization. (See “The Muslim Brotherhood” by Britt Parramore, online.) Also, a HuffPost article by Allen West, on “Muslim Brotherhood ‘Infiltrated’ Obama Administration” (8-15-2013). Also An article availabe online by Rod Dreher, “Defeat the Third Jihad: For the third time in history, orthodox Muslims are making a serious bid for world domination.” I’ll also take along articles by Ben Swann & others about the US military training ISIS rebels to fight against Assad in Syria.
Anyone else doing likewise?
Les says
You are who you worship
Champ says
David Woot! ๐
Looove your videos!
Edward Vaughn says
David:
Consider this: Allah may have a disability. The fact that you must aim your prayers in one direction only implies that he (she? it?) might just have a hearing problem with one ear. Perhaps?
voegelinian says
David Wood is absolutely correct; and isn’t it interesting that the tafsirs as they laboriously unscramble and interpret Allah’s rants, find that the overall sense therein leans toward violently enforced supremacism…?
Bezelel says
Allahgottasayis, David is one of those gifted communicators.
DRDIAS says
I cannot and do not understand how the Islamic cretins are continually allowed to rewrite modern history about their fabricated peaceful and tolerant ideological existence!
It seems the overt semi illiterate, mentally awkward, lecherous predators, sadistic, masochistic, expressly greedy, power hungry and grossly insane are drawn to Islam!
Islamist want and uses modern conveyances such as medicine, modern medical devices, electricity, internal combustion engines, WiFi, and the INTERNET as long as it serves their male dominated Islamic idealogical leadership!
How can they quote the Qur’an, when Allah has never ever foretold, wrote, or made any form of allowances for the daily use let alone sanctioning the use of these 21st century conveyances and weapons of modern day life to be used by Muslims?
Islam in Arabic, the word โIslamโ means submission or surrender.
Baronet Kevin James Parr says
Very good and with humour throughout. A little deluded as no God exists to say a single word .So it is man himself that speak for him. Ventriloquists all of them. No God has a name unless given by man himself then unlike the pet you train he vanishes up his own rectum never to be traced. He can be placed on police missing persons but I tell you know your God is forever gone. Some other faction may have kidnapped him for illicit revenge but unless you get a demand for ransom money it is pretty sure you will never see him. I will not say again because we know he is vapourised and as you have never met him ever it is perhaps no sweat. Go out like the Billy Graham pack and reinvent God from Jewish and Arab books on the subject its as simple as that as God can be anything you want and any shape in the Great Architects universe and beyond. Have fun doing this, bring in the family and involve them in your newly invented God . Thats what Paul did instead of tent making to none paying Arab as they had to cope with Roman taxation and worship Cesar Romero on the flicks. Someone found a bottle with a Gene in it that was just as magical as God but again thus a mere invention that is in the mixer along with women who had babies all by themselves and no need of seed. Constantine had a word in that invention just to widen the scope and be paid more cash for bums on seats. It was not just passing the hat but taking regular payments out of your bank called tithes. So we see how profitable this little cottage industry became. Now can we have a new God or is it really too late as most have worked it out these days that the ignorant can be sold anything and will kill to be of use to your invention with out reward. Wait! we need a place like the Vatican. Any one out there with unlimited funds could rent a room there. All that tax they raised had to go into Gods house a far way from a stable and the richest house on earth. Who is the worlds richest man.No your wrong it is not Vald Putin, not Bill Gates but the Pope and the Vatican key to the door. It could be done as the two main contenders are out of date as choices and the public require a simple transition so we introduce our invented God slowly on roller blades through the media of television. It may take a few more serious words than the letters to the Corinthians so introduce a big star who had taken the bribe to sell your God to billions of viewers or just ask Tom Cruise and tell him its Scientific. Set up bank accounts in Gods name as you dealing with cards and outgoings. For interest on the in goings have your family set up a trust with you and God as Direct Chair.sharing one seat can be recorded as humble and saintly so now on saints there are multiple choices. Might have trouble with the mentally insane and their old Gods but shoot a few at a time and blame your God for talking to you in the books your ancestors wrote.
PatnCats says
This is DAVID WOOD of ACTS17Apologetics – see his YouTube under the same name. Many fascinating videos he’s done. David knows his BIBLE and he knows the islamic leterature which shows islam for what it is – barbaric, non-sensical and anti-social. Be sure to SUPPORT efforts such as Robert’s and David’s by financial donation – I do. We can lend our voices to theirs and grow.
Edward says
More from or about Mr. David Woods @:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wood_(Christian_apologist)
Woods well exposes’ the author of the Koran……who perhaps suffered from a possible mind aberration. A person who saw reality in a different manner, just like a human who is subjectable to a reverse psychological mindset. We know the type, the one who motivates by saying “don’t do it” but actually wants you to do it! If this the case, where a person or persons are being hypnotized/mesmerized to do evil by a verbal act or by a written instrument is subject to further investigation. Considering that the initial Koranic verses were penned over 1400 years ago.
“The one being manipulated is usually unaware of what is really going on.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_psychology
jay says
Islam is an embarrassment in Western rationality and logical thought, it is so incoherent and repetitive and obviously Mohammed’s fanclub writings that change at his whim to allow whatever he likes to be praised by God (much like how the Church of England came to be in a way) it’s painful.
Just like bringing up to Scientologists their prophet was a sci fi writer scam artist, or Mormons that Joseph Smith was an obvious fraud, doesn’t matter how much proof there is (and there is more modern day hard to refute proof unlike trying to prove divine events in antiquity for these), cults are notorious for erasing individual thought, and this cult has been in practice and had a strangle hold on some cultures for more than a century. But unlike Mormons and Scientologists, they’re not cults based on evil and believing under fear of death. More based on love of money and women, lol. And even Mormonism rejected the more extreme parts of their traditions and they’ve only been around for what, less than 200 years? Could it be because Mormons although have strange beliefs, actually have faith and spirituality (and a solid basis in Judeo-Christian ideology which is important) and Islam is nothing more than a political propaganda piece made of retold stories from all the other major religions to conquer the world?
Brian says
Excellent job of breaking down the fact that Islam and the people who fallow this [only if it suits me right now] interpretation of what allah really meant when he says [blank] great question who cares what allah says anyway. God Bless.
particolor says
I judge the Barsteads on What They Do !! ๐ Not on What Crap they do or do not Read !!.. A Cult of Barbarians !! ๐
Stay in Your own Sewer !!
Universal Khalifah Is Here says
ANYWAYS YOU WHITE PIGS YOU WHITE PIG SHIT YOU WHITE PIG FUCKERS ARE EXTINCT RIGHT NOW YOU WHITE PIG SHITS ARE IN THE PIT OF HELL FOR ETERNITY WE WILL ROAST AND EAT YOUR WHITE YUMMY COOKED MEAT PREFER IT WELL DONE CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GO TRAVEL TO FUCKING HELL SACRIFICE AND EAT YOUR WHITE BABY FETUSES YOU ABORTION BABY SACRIFICING SCUM ALRIGHT YOU SERIOUS FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT YOU CALL YOURSELVES GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU SATAN WORSHIPPING SCUM YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE YOU STUPID IDIOT GROW SOME HEAD HAIR YOU HATE YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND THE LATIN AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE HATER YOU SELLOUT BASTARD YOU CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH YOU ARE NOT EVEN EGYPTIAN OR ARABIC YOU HOMOSEXUAL KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEER GET THE FUCK OUT OF PLANET EARTH RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST YOU LITTLE SATANIC PIECES OF SHIT KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT YOU WILL GO TO HELL WITH THE SATANIC INCEST INBRED LOSERS LIKE YOU BURN THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS DARWINISTS MATERIALISTS PAGANS AND ATHEISTS KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS YOUR NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE YOUR PIG FACE IS ON YOUR PROFILE PICTURE IT IS ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO SMELL THE WORST EVER WITH YOUR PUTRID PUS SPEWING GOO YOU WILL DROWN IN YOUR OWN BLOOD YOU HAVE ONLY PROVEN YOUR THE PAEDOPHILE LYING SATAN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES ANYWAYS YOU KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT NOBODY FEARS YOU SATANIC INCEST INBRED BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES! ALL JEWS ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST THERE WILL BE A HOLOCAUST IF YOU DO NOT LEAVE TEL AVIV NOW REARRANGE THE WORD ISRAEL YOU GET LIE LIES LIAR LIARS YOU ARE THE MUTILATIONS YOU ARE THE SODOMITES YOU ARE FROM JAPHETH GOMER AND ASHKENAZ THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ASHKENAZI JEWS GO BACK TO KHAZARIA YOUR ANCESTRAL LAND AND GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW YOU JEWISH REPUBLIC PIECES OF TRASH GARBAGE SCUM JEWS ARE THE UGLIEST INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SO CALLED JEWS SOUND HORRIBLE THIS IS THE WORST SPEECH EVER ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John Smith says
Into the oven he goes.
Peter Buckley says
Nice to hear from the Religion of Peace again,
I’m sure Robert’s having a good laugh at your post.
When people get angry, it’s a sure sign their “side” are losing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APVCAxF4C8Q
Hilarious…….
Bezelel says
@UniK, You need to go back to chasing lizards with a stick to feed yourself. You are not ready for civilization.
gravenimage says
Now the evil “Universal Khalifah Is Here” is cross-posting. I replied to his vicious screed here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/islamic-state-in-libya-burns-musical-instruments-as-un-islamic/comment-page-2#comment-1202038
Bezelel says
gravenimage.I read your other post, good break down of the ranting. However I wish UniK would post his trash at CNN or MSNBC or any other left leaning journal sites. He is pretty much preaching to the choir here. At JW most of us already know what a savage is.
William says
You are one hell of a piece of work , enjoy the day now go out and be a man and support your wives and whatever god forsaken offspring !!
The Bull says
Go for it dude! That is one huge vent. I bet you felt better after that! The good thing is this speech has had an effect on you. Your inability to refute anything in the speech whilst verbally abusing is a classic lesson in debating 101. Because you can’t win the debate you turn to attacking the individual. You just lost big time. Be a real man and admit defeat….then join the good side of civilization…you’ll have massive respect. Good Luck and God Bless.
TheBuffster says
TheBull, your reply is full of wisdom and benevolence.
I, too, invite Universal Khalifah to the side of reason, rights, honesty, and benevolence. I’ve lived there all my life, and while it doesn’t guarantee you’ll never make philosophical mistakes, it does guarantee you the freedom to honestly question your philosophy or religion and thus to discover errors and bring your ideas into better alignment with the truth. If there’s a God, he made us with the capacity to keep honest (as well as the capacity to fool ourselves and others) and the kind of mind that has to *work* to find the truth, and therefore we have the need to be free to examine ideas and accept or reject them according to our understanding, knowledge, and honesty.
Screaming at people about your religion, calling names and cursing them to Hell is a sign of desperation. Are you, UniK, able to engage in a reasoned and calm discussion? Or has irrational ideology and hatred closed your mind to the best in you?
Heather says
Allah IS Satan and MoHAMmad is his little messenger.
Michael Warden says
Don’t be reticent old boy – speak up. Don’t beat about the bush. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Edison says
“THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST”
Normally a post such as above deserves no reply, but I thought it should be noted that the Koran refers to Jesus, by name 27 times, by inference another 18 times. How truthful does that make the Koran? if he didn’t exist?
FarmerMike says
The post below is a letter I sent to the pastor of a local church.
FarmerMike says
Rev. Pastor
Your church is one of the most satisfying churches we’ve attended in recent years. We are mostly home meditators, & it was the meditation group that first attracted us.
We also do readings, rather eclectically, before our meditations–to stir selected thoughts into our meditations. So, over the past year or so, we have become very interested in why Islamist jihadists are so violent. Well, the answer is mostly right out in plain sight, in the Koran itself.
The Koran has at least 109 “open-ended” commands to violence. Not arm’s-length descriptions of PAST events. But present-day commands to COMMIT VIOLENCE ON INFIDELS TODAY! No wonder ISIS is happily beheading infidels. Muslims are commanded to do so in the Koran!
[SeeTheReligionofPeace – About this Site – Islam: Making a True … About TheReligionofPeace.com. Glen Roberts, Editor : TheReligionofPeace.com is a pluralistic, non-partisan site concerned with Islam’s true political and … http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm/ Similar pages ]
True, most Muslims are not behaving in that violent way. But, from what I have read, that is true only because most Muslims don’t read the Koran, or they consider it just hyperbole, and so they subscribe to “metaphorical” interpretations.
But the fact remains, the Koran INSTRUCTS believers in the Koran to kill by beheading or crucifying infidels. Or burning them.
Oh, there is an alternative: Become a “dhimmitude,” a semi-slave citizen within Muslim society.
Meanwhile, sexual abuse & sex slavery is widely encouraged & practiced. Girls are routinely raped by their fathers & brothers & others. So are pre-pubuscent boys. That’s why Islamic heaven has “72 virgins, & 12 prepubescent boys, to do with as you want.”
This widespread Muslim practice pedophiliacould help explain why there are so many willing suicide bombers.
Islamic sharia’h law is making a rapid march across America. And whether we are church-goers or not, we need to take a stand against this stealth jihad marching through our communities under the cloak of “religious tolerance.”
We must NOT allow this to happen.
IMHO, one way to help stop this stealth jihad march is to mount a campaign to IMPEACH Obama, the chief “enabler.”
All the best,
FarmerMike
BC says
Has anybody else noticed that when ‘god’ wants to send the word or a vision etc. to mankind/womankind
he chooses not some highly intelligent person but an uneducataed peasant(s)?
BC says
Lest you call me an uneducated peasant it was a typo which I missed, apologies
Paul says
You associate stuttering, stammering, with feeble,
I stammer. Are you insinuating that stammerers are feeble ???