
When I have pointed out that Sharia forbids music, I’ve been excoriated as a greasy Islamophobe. Unfortunately, the Islamic State appears to have been reading Islamophobic literature.
Hadith Qudsi 19:5: “The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance.” (The Hadith Qudsi, or holy Hadith, are those in which Muhammad transmits the words of Allah, although those words are not in the Qur’an.)
Muhammad also said:
(1) “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affair of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”
(2) “On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”
(3) “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage.”
(4) “This community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones.” Someone asked, “When will this be, O Messenger of Allah?” and he said, “When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful.”
(5) “There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful ….” — ‘Umdat al-Salik r40.0
“Libya: Isis wages war on music by burning drums, saxophones and other instruments,” by Umberto Bacchi, International Business Times, February 19, 2015:
The Islamic State (Isis) propaganda machine has published photos of its militants in Libya burning musical instruments they said were confiscated in line with the radical group’s interpretation of Sharia law.
Black-clad gunmen are seen setting fire to a pile of drums, brass and woodwind instruments at a countryside location and then watching the fire burning in images posted online by an Isis media branch.
An accompanying message claimed the instrument-burning took place in eastern Libya, possibly near the city of Derna.
Under the jihadi group’s rules, instrumental music is banned as well as what it claims are other un-Islamic activities such as smoking and drinking alcohol.
In September, it was reported that Isis had imposed a new school curriculum in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, banning art and music as well as all classes on history, literature and Christianity.
Libya has been embroiled in fighting since the overthrow of late dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011.
Battling for control of the country currently involves pro-government forces, Libya Dawn, an umbrella group including radical and moderate Islamists, and Isis local offshoots that recently infiltrated several coastal cities.
The group’s expansion into the Mediterranean country has sparked international alarm.
Libya’s Foreign Minister Mohammed al Dairi has called for an emergency session of the UN Security Council to lift an arms embargo and allow his government to fight back at Isis.
Neighbouring Egypt has been conducting airstrikes against jihadist positions this week, after a gruesome online video depicting Isis militants beheading 21Coptic Christians on a beach near Tripoli was posted online.
Angemon says
Can’t wait for those in the West who claim that the islamic state is un-islamic to step forward and give us evidence that islam doesn’t forbid music, smoking or drinking alcohol…
Jay Boo says
If only Obama would just once give a stern lecture to these wackos about the dangers of clinging to guns and religion.
Wellington says
Yeah, Islamic musical theater is a pretty thin repertoire, now isn’t it?
Recently, I was in New York City and took in a Broadway musical. In the waiting line with me for tickets were a few Muslim women all done up in hijab and the whole nine yards of Muslim sartorial splendor. I couldn’t help but think three things: 1) if Islam had its way everywhere there would be no musicals on Broadway or anywhere else; 2) many of the most devout Muslims would kill or at least support killing all those who attend musical theater, including fellow Muslims; and 3) the Muslim women who were in line with me I looked upon as clueless or hypocritical or both; I certainly resented their presence since what they believe in is an enemy of music as it is of freedom, equality under the law, a true Golden Rule for all, and many other noble things like fine beer.
Yes, I did consider the possibility that these Muslim women didn’t buy all the shit Islam puts forth as truth and would leave Islam if possible, but I thought it unlikely. And so I resented their presence and was thankful that once inside the theater I wasn’t seated anywhere close to them. BTW, it was a wonderful musical and I enjoyed it greatly, but lingering in the back of my mind then and thereafter was yet one more resentment for the worst religion ever created by man.
gravenimage says
Wellington, Mozart’s “Abduction from the Seraglio” is being performed in Palo Alto (home of Stanford University) just now. Muslims have violently protested Mozart’s work being mounted in Europe—this opera depicts Muslims abducting Infidel women to use as sex slaves in Harems. Even though Mozart underestimated Muslim savagery—ultimately, the Pasha is sympathetic to the lovers, and allows them to escape—how likely is it that a Muslim leader would allow an Infidel to leave with a woman to be used as a sex slave, and to do so because he was swayed by witnessing true romantic love?
Nonetheless, even this is likely considered too realistic in its depictions of Muslim brutality.
How long before Muslims here feel emboldened enough to try to shut down such performances? But now, I’m going to celebrate our freedom and love of music—and of love—that this piece represents.
Wellington says
As always, gravenimage, I value your comments. An extra special thanks for this one, since my wife has made her career in musical theater, which is just one more reason why I resented those Muslimas waiting in line for a Broadway musical the Islamic world would have never, could have never, produced.
gravenimage says
Great to hear that about your wife, Wellington—I never cease to be amazed at how many talented people there are here. And I’m so glad she is doing well.
My husband was among other things the music editor for his college newspaper, and had a chance to chronicle the early careers of groups like REM.
For myself, I must confess that I have almost no musical talent—any talents I do have lie elsewhere. But I love, respect, and revere music—opera, classical, ecclesiastical music, medieval, renaissance, and baroque work, folk, country, early popular music, jazz, big band, rock…
Even a lot of what I consider cheesy or untalented often has a real joy to it—for instance, silly boy bands, overly-sentimental elevator music, bad pop ballads with too much reverb or auto-tune—there are certainly worse things, as we witness here every day.
I certainly don’t mean to imply that I have no taste—but that I love the fact that so much music is available to us in the free world, and that I wouldn’t have it any other way. Occasionally having to listen to bad music is a very small price to pay. Consider the alternative…
a beat up beat says
It reminds me of a scene about fifty years ago. I was at the Bethseda Fountain in Central Park
on a beautiful sunday afternoon. There were pot smoking, and Hari Kishna type singing and dancing, in a drone like fashion or jumping up and down, and beating drums. It was pleasant, in its fashion, and I was up tight professional with a girl friend. We saw two couples, I’ll say Long Island type, dressed in Polyester, Brown sujt jacket-Leisure suit?, Upscale Archie Bunker types In the midst of the chaos, one guy said to his wife and the other couple, “I am glad I am on my way out. I think many people don’t endorse what they are seeing now, but feel too old and see going to live in a gated community in the Sun Belt, is the best they can do.
Why Obama got elected is that many of the things that the Republican advocated seemed
attuned to being antiscientific, playing ball with right wing dictators, anti birth control issue that ordinary intelligent people did not like. They were rational, and saw, an old line democratic party as having good will, which turns out to be wrong, considering the liberal and progressive, much more radical than any one thought they would be.
el-cid says
Fabulous! I had never given the Opera the serious consideration it deserves. You put it in context.
This is the West’s ULTIMATE weapon against Islam. MUSIC!!!! Nothing is more human and nothing brings us closer to G-d.
Even a person who has been brainwashed to believe in Islam can be influenced by it.
gravenimage says
Hi, El Cid. I agree—music, art, and letters are a big part of what makes us human—and it is no accident that Islam hates and despises them all.
And pre-“politically correct” art is full of surprisingly clear-eyed references to Islam—Dante, Gustave Dore (his Victorian illustrator), Renaissance and Baroque art, “Orientalist” art—even some early films.
I believe that art—using the term in the broadest possible sense—is one of our biggest tools against the barbarism of Islam, and that this is true whether or not it directly confronts Islam, or just stands as its own joyous protest against the aridity of Islam on its own merits.
voegelinian says
” In the waiting line with me for tickets were a few Muslim women all done up in hijab and the whole nine yards of Muslim sartorial splendor. …the Muslim women who were in line with me I looked upon as clueless or hypocritical or both”
Or…
When one considers the effect on the Westerner of such seeming assimilation (and there are myriad forms this can take), one cannot help but note how useful it is for the stealth jihad — since the second most important function of that mode of jihad is to convey the impression amongst the Kuffar that innumerable Muslims are harmless participants in Kuffar society (the first most important function being, one reasonably supposes, to infiltrate in order to secure advantages to plot the terror attack that are necessary in lieu of the frank military assaults-cum-invasions which Muslims are currently to weak to wage.)
shoehorn says
Compare these verses with Psalm 150. Yet, there are Christians who claim Allah is the same as the Biblical God, and their evidence is Allah is Arabic for ‘the god’. Go figure.
Papa Whiskey says
Many thanks for the citation — not having been biblically brought up, I was unfamiliar with that one. I’ve always liked Psalm 144, though, which the sniper Jackson recited in the great battle scene in the steeple in “Saving Private Ryan”:
Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust … Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children; Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood. I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee.
One of my favorite instruments, the cittern, has ten strings arrayed in five pairs, like those of the twelve-string guitar.
dumbledoresarmy says
Psalm 150.
Here’s one of my favourite youtube clips: Psalm 150, sung in Hebrew (transliterated, with Spanish subtitles as well) with stunning visual montage accompanying.
No Fear says
This is a trend started by Mohammed “Jimi” Hendrix at Monterey Pop Festival who used lighter fluid to burn a Stratocaster. He was famed for his Islamic tunes: “Let me Stand next to your Fire” and “The Wind Cried Sharia” and “Voodoo (Married) Child”.
cynical1 says
You forgot that other one:
“Hey Mo, where ya goin’ with that gun in your hand”?
Neil Jennison says
Mind you, I’d burn every Saxophone if I could……the worst sounding instrument ever invented!
Blood kazoos sound better!
Neil Jennison says
Bloody kazoos.
cs says
I hate Kenny G with all my heart.
No Fear says
LOL. Robert Spencer plays the sax. Stan Getz did have a great smooth tone. Not sure about Robert. 🙂
Robert Spencer says
My tone has suffered considerably since 9/11, as I have only picked the thing up a handful of times since then. One day I will get back to it, however. In the meantime, try John Coltrane with the Miles Davis Sextet.
gravenimage says
You rock, Robert! Here’s hoping you can get back to that sax some day. What you are doing now helps safeguard the freedom of all of us to take up the sax—or not, as we so desire.
Papa Whiskey says
Be it noted that possession of a saxophone was illegal in Stalin’s Soviet Union. See S. Frederick Starr’s Red and Hot. The Fate of Jazz in the Soviet Union 1917-1980, Oxford University Press, New York/Oxford 1983.
gravenimage says
The thing is, civilized people can “hate” Kenny G or the saxophone or the Monkees or synthesizers or Bobby McFerrin or the Macarena or anything else, but they don’t prevent other people from enjoying them, even if they might question their taste. Would that this were true of Muslims…
pumbar says
Try Gong.
beaucoup_haram says
I suppose it’s better than burning people alive, but still, anyone who forbids music and burns musical instruments is my sworn enemy. As if they weren’t already.
cs says
So no more of the punk acts like:
Big MO and the Camel molesters
Ali and the Bible Burns
72 virgins from hell
no more chance for these bands???
Joginder Singh says
I will stick to the likes of Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Metallica, Judas Priest and similar thanks
Me says
Reliance of the Traveller
A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Amhad ibn Naqib al-Misri
Amana Publications, Beltsville MD.
Available for free download at nmusba.wordpress.com
Endorsed for usefulness in interpreting Islamic law and the faithfulness of its English translation by:
President of the International Institute of Islamic Thought
al-Azhar University, General Department for Research, Writing and Translation
Pg. 382
Usefulness
k2.3
It is invalid to transact something which is not useful (O: whether the reason for invalidity is the article’s baseness or the smallness of the amount being dealt with) such as vermin, a single grain of wheat, or unlawful musical instruments (dis:r40) (O: such as the mandolin or flute, since there is no lawful benefit in them).
Pg. 427
k19.2
It is not valid to lend something of no lawful benefit such as a musical instrument…
Pg. 716-7
Having the Caliph’s Permission
q2.3
Some scholars stipulate that the person delivering the censure must have permission to do so from the caliph (def:o25) or his regional appointee, and do not grant that private individuals may censure others. This is untrue, for the Koranic verses and hadiths all indicate that whoever sees something wrong and does nothing has sinned. Stipulating that there must be permission from the caliph is mere arbitrary opinion. One should realize that there are five levels of censure: explaining the wrong nature of the act, admonishing the person politely, reviling him and harshness, forcible stopping the act (such as by breaking musical instruments or pouring out wine) and, finally, intimidation and threatening to strike the person or actually hitting him to stop what he is doing.
gary says
And the reality is……..
God loves praise, and it is becoming of His people.
Psalm 98
“Sing a new song to the Lord telling about his mighty deeds! For he has won a mighty victory by his power and holiness. He has announced this victory and revealed it to every nation by fulfilling his promise to be kind to Israel. The whole earth has seen God’s salvation of his people. That is why the earth breaks out in praise to God and sings for utter joy!
Sing your praise accompanied by music from the harp. Let the cornets and trumpets shout! Make a joyful symphony before the Lord, the King! Let the sea in all its vastness roar with praise! Let the earth and all those living on it shout, “Glory to the Lord.”
Let the waves clap their hands in glee and the hills sing out their songs of joy before the Lord…..
for he is coming to judge the world with perfect justice.”
gravenimage says
The Clash’s “Rock the Casbah” is about as close to an Anti-Jihad song as we have yet—even if it doesn’t get some of the larger issues with Islam, it shows music as joyful defiance in the face of Muslim oppression and violence. Plus its got a great beat and you can dance to it. Enjoy!
gravenimage says
“it’s”
Mo says
I loved this song growing up, but it wasn’t until I came to know about Islam and really paid attention to the words that I heard it in an entirely new light!
I have no idea if they meant it that way. (And I don’t want to know!) But I like to think it’s just as rebellious as it sounds.
gravenimage says
Mo, The Clash’s Joe Strummer said about the song in an interview: “‘I started to think about what someone had told me earlier, that you get lashed for owning a Disco album in Iran.’ This served as inspiration for the rest of the lyrics, about the people defying the Arab ruler (Shareef)’s ban on Disco music and ‘Rocking the Casbah.'”
Obviously, not a deep understanding of the ban on music in Islam—but a general sense that Muslim countries are oppressive and that joyful music can serve as a positive form of defiance.
Mo says
@ gravenimage
“Mo, The Clash’s Joe Strummer said about the song in an interview: “‘I started to think about what someone had told me earlier, that you get lashed for owning a Disco album in Iran.’ This served as inspiration for the rest of the lyrics, about the people defying the Arab ruler (Shareef)’s ban on Disco music and ‘Rocking the Casbah.’”
Obviously, not a deep understanding of the ban on music in Islam—but a general sense that Muslim countries are oppressive and that joyful music can serve as a positive form of defiance.”
That’s close enough for me, thanks! It’s amazing how we all heard this song growing up and I’m sure few of us understood what it was about!
And wow. I’m sure such a song would not be done today. (Or be a hit.) People would be too afraid of “offending” Muslims.
Well, guess what? I adore music. And burning musical instruments/prohibiting music offends me and most other people as well.
Funny how no one seems to care about THAT.
Michael Johnson says
had not the Obama administration gotten rid of muamar ghaddafi in the arab spring we wouldn’t see this type of violence in lybia with isis or other Islamic terrorists the west should not have gotten rid of him or Mubarak in Egypt im not saying they were good guys because they were not they were cruel and terrible in the way the citizens were treated but they would have had people like isis under control in lybia
Gary says
Revelation 22:8-15
“ I, John, saw and heard all these things, and fell down to worship the angel who showed them to me; but again he said, “No, don’t do anything like that. I, too, am a servant of Jesus as you are, and as your brothers the prophets are, as well as all those who heed the truth stated in this book. Worship God alone.”
Then he instructed me, “Do not seal up what you have written, for the time of fulfillment is near. And when that time comes, all doing wrong will do it more and more; the vile will become more vile; good men will be better; those who are holy will continue on in greater holiness.”
“See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay everyone according to the deeds he has done. I am the A and the Z, the Beginning and the End, the First and Last. Blessed forever are all who are washing their robes, to have the right to enter in through the gates of the city and to eat the fruit from the Tree of Life.
“Outside the city are those who have strayed away from God, and the sorcerers and the immoral and murderers and idolaters, and all who love to lie, and do so.”
Mo says
If I was’t already a follower of Christ and if Islam was indeed a perfectly peaceful religion, with nothing like jihad or child “marriages” or forced conversions or anything else of that nature, I would still never follow it due to this teaching! I wouldn’t want to live my life without music!
Robert, I hope you set aside some time to play your sax again – even if it’s as short as 15 minutes a day. Not only will it bring you joy, but it will be a rebuke to these evil teachings.
Be a rebel! (You’re one already!)
Don McKellar says
I’m a little confused. The ISIS videos always have music in them. Horrible, caterwauling moslem lunatic “music” but music nonetheless. So why are they destroying musical instruments in ISIS Libya branch, but making music videos in ISIS Syria/Iraq branch? What will ISIS Pakistan/Afghanistan branch decide? Or the soon to be established ISIS France and ISIS UK deem correct?
EYESOPEN says
Westman said: “The lack of music is a sufficient symptom of a cankered soul; an ugliness the world cannot afford.”
Beautifully put Westman. I was trained in Classical music, and had performed twice at Carnegie Hall (in a choir). Also performed in several operas. I sing in my church choir (when I can get over my angst at the church “leadership”). Music is as integral a part of my life as breathing, thanks to Almighty God; and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
EYESOPEN says
A prime example of some beautiful music – by a contemporary musician, no less:
gravenimage says
Just beautiful, EYESOPEN and Westman. Thank you.
RonaldB says
Question: The UN has an arms embargo on the Libyan government, or what’s left of it, which is fighting the ISIS forces.
Why does the UN have an embargo on arms to the Libyan government, and why is the US supporting it?
The Assad government in Syria would have fallen a long time ago if Putin in Russia had not been supplying it with arms. Then, ISIS would be in control of all of Syria, as well as much of Iraq, and the US government would be wringing its hands at the “violent extremists” without acknowledging its part in the fall of the Syrian government.
Words don’t express my anger at having to look at the Russian government as being more sane, more sensible, and more supportive of individual rights in other countries than the US.
I’m not advocating aid: just allow the government to buy it’s own weapons. What is the possible rationale for an embargo on a semi-decent combatant, as well as on a barbaric one?
Baucent says
They don’t like soccer teams either, or is that the Taliban? At the root of it they want to ban fun. But then you get these apologists who try to claim Islam has greatly enriched civilization and culture.
Regarding the Libyian “Foreign Minister” calling for a lifting of an arms embargo. This guy represents only a city and a small part of the country. The united Libya is gone forever. Sending more weapons to that country now will only end up arming the Islamists.
rightrightright says
Surely golf is unislamic – a Western invention to boot?
JamesonRocks says
Cat Stevens should probably not visit the region.
pumbar says
I suppose the tribute band Ji-Had Zeppelin won’t be making any albums then.
voegelinian says
It would be so satisfying to see the spectacle of Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) stumbling along in a panic with his guitar, tripping over his long Islamic bedsheet as ISIS chases him out of town.
Mo says
@ voegelinian
“It would be so satisfying to see the spectacle of Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) stumbling along in a panic with his guitar, tripping over his long Islamic bedsheet as ISIS chases him out of town.”
Now that’s an image! Ha!
Matthieu Baudin says
For all those who lament the passing of strongman Gaddafi, remember that he too went through an idiotic anti western tirade against ‘foreign’ musical instruments and had pianos thrown out of buildings onto the streets to show how amazingly progressive he was on the political front.
voegelinian says
As long as the Muslim world remains a massive, sprawling, chaotic source of perpetual destabilization geopolitically, and as long as the West enjoys a hegemony over geopolitics that is decidedly relative and compromised by its dominant PC MC worldview (with roots in classical Wilsonianism (if not in some of the disastrously naive policies before that of British and other Western Colonialism), then Muslim Strongmen who are willing to try to have their falafel and eat it too are, as Jack Nicholson wryly remarked in the movie by the same name, As Good As It Gets.
This is so because all polities imbued with Islam are diseased, because their demos is diseased by their willing fanaticism grounded in the pneumopathological disease of their “best model of conduct” and “most perfect man”, Muhammad. And so, short of our conquering the Muslim world and administering them under an iron rule, with a geopolitical Quarantine erected to prevent Muslims from leaving their Dar-al-Hellhole, our only hope of a modicum of order is in the support of the Muslim Strongmen: there was the gold standard, Ataturk; a close second, the two Shahs; the Bourguiba dynastry of Tunisia; the King Mohammed dynasty of Morocco; the so-called “nationalist” Nasser and then Sadat, then Mubarrak. This type was not monolithic: they manifested varying degrees of cooperation with the West and varying degrees of willingness to constrain Islam. At one end of this spectrum was Ataturk, at the other end the whackjobs Khaddafi and Saddam; somewhere in between, perhaps, Assad père; and so forth.
But that has all gone to Islamic Hell in a Hangbasket, with the volatile, centrifugal “Arab Spring” which has devolved under the Obama regime, a definite fruit of the recklessly neo-Wilsonian “Lewis Doctrine” under the Bush-Cheney regime. Of course, given the inherently volatile chemicals in mainstream Islam, which is never stable but always, relentlessly seeking relese of its internal pressure of jihad until the whole Earth is conquered for Allah and the End Times can begin, a devolution was inevitable – as long as the geopolitical policies of those who have global hegemony were clueless, that is. Had the West realized when it should have – back in the 19th century; or in the wake of the dissolution of Western Colonialism in the aftermath of WW2; or at the very least after 911 – to quarantine the Muslim world inside its Dar-al-Hellhole (certainly a monumental project, but the West can do amazing things when it puts its mind to it; and besides, if we add up all the money America, and the entire West, has been spending because of Muslims – literally trillions by now – it could have, and still can, handle it on that level).
Further Reading:
As Good As It Gets
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/04/as-good-as-it-gets.html
voegelinian says
I didn’t finish my last sentence, I see. The short version:
“Had the West realized when it should have… to quarantine the Muslim world inside its Dar-al-Hellhole… then the world might stand a chance of optimally managing — not “solving” (I agree with Hugh Fitzgerald about the pipe dream of a “solution” to Islam) the geopolitical problem of Islam.
Matthieu Baudin says
I like your order of listing for the strongmen of the past. I’ll look at the link – thanks. Saddam was an unfortunate blend of ‘wacko’ and ‘very bright’ – who knows, in a non Islamic society he may have turned out as a more cohesive and constructive person. He was fluent in three or four languages, including French, and was well informed in quite a few fields. But in Iraq he wanted to be the ultimate strongman, trusted no one, lived and died by the sword.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reminder, Matthieu.
Dave J says
When faced by a choice of the civilized man and the barbarian, choose the civilized man.
Just the notion of banning music and burning instruments demonstrates the fascist arrogance of these 7th Century monsters.
And their dreary wailing to Allah (may he burn in Hell) does not qualify as “music”, so I guess it’s OK and “Islam-approved”.
St. Patrick says
Nice set of Premier’s there, made in England too..How ironic..You’d think Turkey(Erdogan) would have something to say about melting Turkish cymbals..
Might explain why Art Blakey gave up on pislam..
http://blog.gretsch.com/tag/art-blakey/
Imagine that..A muslim playing American made drums..”Moanin'” would have never been created..
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thomas pellow says
Even ‘The Economist’ now makes this connection-
“Italy and Libya:
Fears over the sea.
“Italians fret about both Islamic extremists and immigrants.”
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21644207-italians-fret-about-both-islamic-extremists-and-immigrants-fears-over-sea
William Lucas HarveyJr. says
I myself, don’t rant and rave about America, however I DO rant and rave about Bloody, Butchering Islam.
Howevever, as to America, I DO rant and rave about our so called “American”, very apparent , Pro Islam and Pro Muslim Pandering Sympathizing, and apparent Anti America, Anti Christian, Anti United Stated Constitution “Imperial President”.
Obama and his “Regime” seem to be attempting to turn America into an “Islamic Caliphate”, with the “Black Flag of Islam” flying over the White House, replacing the American Flag.
ALL American’s should respect the Office of the President of the United States, however people seem to equate that Office with the Person Occupying that Office, and there IS a DIFFERENCE between respecting that Office, and respecting the person Occupying that Office.
When the Person occupying that Office does NOT respect that Office, through that Person’s OWN Actions, Words, Deeds, and that person’s obvious DISRESPECT for America – I do NOT “Respect” that Person.
Moshe Akiva says
I can’t understand these peace activists. Why do they destroy musical instruments when those instruments could pay the jizya?
dumbledoresarmy says
I will repost a comment I made in a thread from 2009. Six years ago…
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/afghan-musician-hopes-the-taliban-will-go-away-so-he-can-play-again
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/afghan-musician-hopes-the-taliban-will-go-away-so-he-can-play-again/comment-page-0#comment-610993
“The sharia ban on music – and a literal obedience to the Hadith texts cited by Mr Spencer above would seem to imply a total ban on all music sacred and profane, vocal and instrumental – is both impossible of complete achievement (as is shown by the stubborn persistence of certain forms of music-making within dar al Islam ) and also quite simply mad and evil.
“There are a couple more hadiths, not I think from the most deemed-authoritative collections, that fill out the full horrible picture of Islam’s hostility to music.
“Serge Trifkovic cites them in ‘Sword of the Prophet’ , p. 40 – “Music did not fare any better with Muhammad than poetry. That mainstream Islam has no music, and that there is no singing at the mosque, may be related to Muhammad’s view that, ‘None raised up his voice with a song but that Allah sent him two devils upon his shoulders who beat his chest with their heels until he stopped’. He [Muhammad] once heard the sound of a flute and put his fingers into his ears and turned to go another way.”
“The first – about the devil which attacks the singer, to beat him till he stops – is referenced, by Trifkovic, as ‘Al Hadis, Book 2, Chapter 12, no. 283’; the incident of Muhammad sticking his fingers in his ears and turning aside, upon hearing a flute, is referenced as ‘Al Hadis Book 2, chapter 12, no. 20.’
“Trifkovic doesn’t give a lot of detail about ‘Al-Hadis’ but as far as I can work out, it is an English translation, by Maulana Fazlul Karim, of the collection known as the Mishkat al-Masabih.
“It is not among the six collections deemed of greatest authority; however, my initial google search using the title ‘Al-Hadis’ turned it up – in English translation – at the online bookshop of a Sunni Muslim website.” [END COMMENT FROM 2009]
Kinana of Khaybar then chipped in and, most helpfully, identified the Mishkat al -Masabih as “a popular secondary source, containing hadiths from Bukhari, Muslim, Dawud, etc.”
BC says
No surpise there, Khomeini although a despised Shia was head of the Iranian Islamic revolution so who could be more Islamic than he? NB. to Obama the righteous one who knows all about Islam.
From the Ayatollah’s own lips.
*“Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, 1979
BC Proud Islamophobe says
A anyone who criticises anything to do with Islam is an ‘Ilsamophobe’ by definition. I think it is time to embrace the term and be proud of it. In the future historians will praise us for our stance.
dumbledoresarmy says
I posted a comment but it seems to have disappeared.
At risk of creating a double post, but just in case it really did vanish, I will re-post.
A news story from 2010, when a bunch of pure Muslim sharia-pushers in Somalia banned music. Just to show that “Islamic State” and associates are far from unique in their thoroughly, purely, classically Muslim assault upon music.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/14/2871974.htm?section=justin
“The day music died: Somali hardliners ban songs
“Mogadishu-based radio stations stopped playing all music on Tuesday following an ultimatum by hardline Islamist militia in a sign of the insurgents’ tightening grip on the Somali capital.
“The city’s 14 radio stations turned off the Western, Arabic and modern Somali and other African music that fills up their 18-hour broadcast time after an ultimatum by the Hezb al-Islam group expired.
“Hezb al-Islam [that is “Party of Islam”, or “Islamic Party” – dda], which controls patches of the war-wracked [jihad-racked] capital, had given the popular stations 10 days to shut down “evil” music broadcasts…
“Hezb al-Islam and the Al Qaeda-linked Shebab militants control much of Mogadishu, the scene of near-daily clashes with the Western-backed Somali government forces.
“The ban was the most appropriate move towards eliminating evil deeds because listening to music and songs are illegal in Islam and anybody who goes against the orders will face consequences,” Sheik Mohamed Ibrahim, a top Hezb al-Islam leader, said…”.
See what he said? – “listening to music and songs are illegal in Islam”.
And it’s the same among the Shiite Muslims. Here’s something that happened in Iran in 2010.
They banned music in schools.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/27867
Islamic Republic Of Iran Islamically Bans Music From All Schools
“….“The use of musical instruments is against the principles of our value system,” Ali Bagherzadeh, head of the private- schools office in the Education Ministry, said in a phone interview from Tehran today…”.
“…Teaching music in state schools has always been prohibited, Bagherzadeh said. A school that teaches music may be permanently closed and its director barred from opening another school, he said. The ban applies to the use of all instruments, including those played in traditional Iranian music, Bagherzadeh said.” END QUOTE
And finally, from the pure Muslims, the sharia-pushers in Mali, 2012.
They did exactly the same as the sharia-pushers in Somalia, when they took control of a city:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/43559
Friday, 24 August 2012
“The day the music died: Mali Muslims ban radio songs
“Islamist extremists occupying northern Mali on Wednesday banned all music except the singing of Koranic verses on private radio stations, in line with sharia, the strict Islamic law they are enforcing…”.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-northern-mali-music-silenced-as-islamists-drive-out-artists/2012/11/30/110ea016-300c-11e2-af17-67abba0676e2_story.html
Discussed here:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/45162
Excerpts from the “Washington Post” article:
“Khaira Arby, one of Africa’s most celebrated musicians, has performed all over the world, but there is one place she cannot visit: her native city of Timbuktu, a place steeped in history and culture but now ruled by religious extremists.
“One day, they broke into Arby’s house and destroyed her instruments.
“Her voice was a threat to Islam, they said, even though one of her most popular songs praised Allah.
“They told my neighbors that if they ever caught me, they would cut my tongue out,” said Arby…”.
And here is the most telling – and horrifying – paragraph in the entire article:
“Music is against Islam,” said Oumar Ould Hamaha, the military leader of the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa, one of the three extremist groups controlling the north.
” “Instead of singing, why don’t they read the Koran?
“Why don’t they subject themselves to God and pray?
“**We are not only against the musicians in Mali. We are in a struggle against all the musicians of the world.”** [my emphasis – dda; and I wonder whether that word ‘struggle’ is translating ‘jihad’?].
To repeat.
Sez the jihad gang boss in Mali, in 2012, as his banditti threaten musicians and destroy musical instruments:
*We are not only against the musicians in Mali. We are in a struggle against all the musicians of the world”.
ALL the musicians of the world.
Vaste programme, monsieur. inhuman, antihuman megalomania and sheer control-freakery could go no further.
All those orchestras, musicians, singers, from one end of the planet to the other; from pygmies in the central african forests, to Inuit, to native Australians playing the didge, to the world’s great symphony orchestras and opera singers and church choirs and Buddhists chanting and mongolian throat singers…all, all, all, this pious Muslim, like so many other pious sharia-pushing Muslims, hates them *all* and he lusts to silence them *all*, and he is making war upon them *all*, he would kill them or silence them all, if he could.
This is the kind of man who would stamp on a Stradivarius violin or an exqusite shakuhachi flute, smash it to bits ,and throw it on the fire; and slit the throat of the musician afterward. *This* is sharia Islam, naked, shameless, brazen, boasting and threatening.
Mad. Stupid. Cruel.
And evil, evil, *evil*.
Delenda est Islamia.
Mirren10 says
From my favourite folk singer, and a Yorkshire lass, to boot.
Mo says
@ Mirren10
Oh, Kate Rusby! I remember hearing her for the first time and I fell in love with the song and her voice. But I can’t recall what song it was now. Gah! Now I will be scrolling through YouTube until I find it.
Thanks for the reminder! I had meant to search out more of her music, but then forgot. (I’m an amateur singer myself, and she’s right in my range!)
Mirren10 says
You have good taste, Mo ! 🙂
Mo says
@ Mirren10
“You have good taste, Mo ! :)”
I love that style music!
Universal Khalifah Is Here says
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gravenimage says
Universal Khalifah Is Here wrote:
ANYWAYS YOU WHITE PIGS YOU WHITE PIG SHIT YOU WHITE PIG FUCKERS ARE EXTINCT RIGHT NOW YOU WHITE PIG SHITS ARE IN THE PIT OF HELL FOR ETERNITY WE WILL ROAST AND EAT YOUR WHITE YUMMY COOKED MEAT PREFER IT WELL DONE
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I feel like Dante, much in need of a Virgil. Still, let’s parse though this screaming madness, shall we?
Firstly, in his very username he declares the “Universal Khalifah”. What does that mean? It means that with a Caliphate Muslims need not even pretend that their waging violent Jihad against us is “defensive”, but can be, and is, utterly offensive in both senses of the word.
And then note the extent of his barbarism—he is shrieking about *cannibalism*. This is not as bizarre as it sounds—for Muslims, that is—ravening Jihadists have cannibalized Jewish victims in “Palestine”.
More:
ALRIGHT YOU SERIOUS FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT YOU CALL YOURSELVES GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE
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Does this crazed Jihadist assume that everyone here is Jewish? Who knows. Probably our refusing to embrace the savagery of Islam is enough.
More:
YOU SATAN WORSHIPPING SCUM YOU DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE YOU STUPID IDIOT GROW SOME HEAD HAIR YOU HATE YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND THE LATIN AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE HATER YOU SELLOUT BASTARD YOU CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH YOU ARE NOT EVEN EGYPTIAN OR ARABIC YOU HOMOSEXUAL KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEER GET THE FUCK OUT OF PLANET EARTH RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST YOU LITTLE SATANIC PIECES OF SHIT KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT YOU WILL GO TO HELL WITH THE SATANIC INCEST INBRED LOSERS LIKE YOU BURN THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS DARWINISTS MATERIALISTS PAGANS AND ATHEISTS KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS YOUR NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE YOUR PIG FACE IS ON YOUR PROFILE PICTURE IT IS ASSHOLES LIKE YOU WHO SMELL THE WORST EVER WITH YOUR PUTRID PUS SPEWING GOO YOU WILL DROWN IN YOUR OWN BLOOD YOU HAVE ONLY PROVEN YOUR THE PAEDOPHILE LYING SATAN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES
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I have often noted this: pious Muslims do not care if we are conservative Christians and Jews or liberal gay people—there is, of course, quite a bit of overlap here, but I am speaking in general terms—to them, it does not matter, we are all “KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS”—all that matters is that we are not Muslims.
And he wants all non-Muslims to “get the fuck out of planet earth”, which means he does not believe that any Infidels should be allowed to live.
And what could be more grimly hilarious than his accusing Infidels of being pedophiles? Pedophilia is *illegal* in the free West, and this crime is hated and despised virtually universally.
Not so in Dar-al-Islam, where “marrying” little girls is sacralized on the model of the appalling “Prophet”, who raped poor little Aisha when she was just nine, and “pearly boys”—prepubescent lads—await pious Muslims in “Paradise”.
More:
THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM
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Once again, the mask comes off. Muslims in Taqiyya mode often claim to “respect” Jesus, but they are actually referring to the vicious “Isa”, whose task it is to *kill Christians* in the last days. And of course, Muslims claim that all Jews and Christians were actually Muslim before they “changed their scripture”.
More:
GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES ANYWAYS
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This is, of course, not simply an opinion of what happens to non-Muslims in the afterlife, which would be unpleasant but not otherwise threatening. No, pious Muslims intend to *oppress and murder* Infidels in the here and now.
More:
YOU KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS ARE OFFICALLY EXTINCT NOBODY FEARS YOU
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I have noted that Jihadists have become increasingly emboldened, and this vicious Muslim troll is certainly such a specimen.
More:
SATANIC INCEST INBRED BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES BURN THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER ALL JEWS ARE IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES! ALL JEWS ARE NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE THERE WAS NO JEWISH HOLOCAUST THERE WILL BE A HOLOCAUST
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More indication of virulent Muslim hatred of Jews.
And the rest is grimly hilarious—a vehement denial that the Holocaust ever took place, accompanied with a declaration that they will outdo Hitler.
More:
IF YOU DO NOT LEAVE TEL AVIV NOW REARRANGE THE WORD ISRAEL YOU GET LIE LIES LIAR LIARS YOU ARE THE MUTILATIONS YOU ARE THE SODOMITES YOU ARE FROM JAPHETH GOMER AND ASHKENAZ THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ASHKENAZI JEWS GO BACK TO KHAZARIA YOUR ANCESTRAL LAND AND GET OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW
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This is the “Khazar” claim—that Ashkenazi (European) Jews are actually descended from the Anatolian tribe of Khazars, and do not actually haver any historic ties to Israel at all. Ironically, this was originally put forward by a European Jew desperate to save Jews in Europe by positing that they were not ethnically Jewish. Of course, this did not work. But it has been embraced and used by antisemites ever since.
Never mind that it is completely ahistorical. The Khazars were a small tribe in what is now Turkey, one of whose leaders did convert to Judaism along with some of his people. They were never a big contributor to Jewish genetics, in Europe or anywhere else.
More:
YOU JEWISH REPUBLIC PIECES OF TRASH GARBAGE SCUM
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“Republic”—here he is—albeit in an illiterate manner—excoriating Jews for embracing civilized democracy. Pious Muslims hate democracy and deem it un-Islamic. Instead of civilized elections and a system of checks and balances against tyranny that one finds in Israel and the rest of the civilized world, Muslims believe that a Caliph should prove his fitness as a leader by terrorizing and murdering his rivals and those he intends to dominate. This is what any barbaric warlord does—including the Islamic States Al-Baghdadi and the foul “Prophet” himself.
More:
JEWS ARE THE UGLIEST INCESTUAL INBRED KIKES EVER
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Just like the accusation of pedophilia, this is more projection. The truth is that it is Muslims who typically engage in cousin marriage. Muslims are, in fact, the most inbred people in the world today—especially in the heart of the Muslim world, the Middle East adn south Asia.
More:
ALL OF THE CHRISTIANS JEWS HINDUS BUDDHISTS ARE THE ONLY GAYS LESBIANS TRANSSEXUALS OR TRANSVESTITES THERE WAS NEVER SUCH A THING AS JESUS CHRIST OR JUDAISM GET YOUR KUFR KIFR KAFIR KAFEERS HEADS GET CUT OFF AND THEY ARE COOKED AND EATEN IN HELL FOREVER AND EVER SEE FOR YOURSELVES SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SO CALLED JEWS SOUND HORRIBLE THIS IS THE WORST SPEECH EVER ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, this is one thing he’s not wrong about—this rant really is pretty much “THE WORST SPEECH EVER ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
But it is instructive: this horror is exactly what Islam looks like bereft of masks and whitewash: incoherent, irrational, barely literate, hateful, causelessly vengeful, vicious, bloody, and homicidal.
God, I hate Islam.
Mo says
@ Gravenimage
You deserve a medal for even reading through that psychotic screed. I couldn’t do it!
Isn’t it terrifying? Makes me wonder who this person is, where they live, how they go about their daily life. I think that writing is one of the most intimate windows into a person’s soul. Can you imagine what the soul of this person must be like? What it must feel like to be inside that mind that is so evil, so corrupted, so eaten up with hatred? It makes my skin crawl just trying to imagine it and put myself in their shoes.
Can you imagine running into this person?!
TheBuffster says
Bravo, Gravenimage!
Universal Khalifah reminds me of a young kid who gets mad and strings together all the worst bad words he knows just to express the anger: “Tit-bum-poop-butthead-dumbrains!” Maybe we’re dealing with a junior high school jihadi here.
Also, UniK needs to learn about punctuation. There are so many exclamation points missing!
Mo says
@ TheBuffster
“Universal Khalifah reminds me of a young kid who gets mad and strings together all the worst bad words he knows just to express the anger: “Tit-bum-poop-butthead-dumbrains!” Maybe we’re dealing with a junior high school jihadi here.
Also, UniK needs to learn about punctuation. There are so many exclamation points missing!”
Thanks for making me laugh!
TheBuffster says
Glad to be of service, Mo.