Jindal has an important point. Even if Obama is correct (he isn’t) that the Crusades were some equivalent of the depredations of the Islamic State today, this does not excuse him or his Administration from their responsibility to face the current threat honestly and deal with it realistically. 900-year-old Christian atrocities, real and imagined, do not excuse his refusal to recognize the reality of the jihad threat.
“Jindal Mocks Obama on Crusades: We’ve Got ‘Medieval Christian Threat’ Under Control,” by Josh Feldman, Mediaite, February 6, 2015 (thanks to Anne Crockett):
President Obama yesterday obliquely addressed the controversy over his administration not referring to terrorist groups like ISIS as being “radical Muslims.” The president said that plenty of horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity, like the Inquisition and the Crusades.
Obama’s gotten some mockery from the right for referencing events from hundreds of years ago, and today Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal joined the fray. In a statement today, he says the president really isn’t addressing the pressing issue of terrorism and instead giving people a history lesson.
And then came the mocking:
“We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”
White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said today Obama was talking about being “honest with ourselves” when we fall short of our values.
MKG says
That’s some straight shootin Mr. Jindal.
We need more politicians like him.
Kaleb says
The PERFECT comeback, Governor Jindal. Peace Be Upon You!
marc says
Christianity has gone through a number of reformations over hundreds of years, going back to it’s roots of tolerance, humility, forgiveness etc. the exceptions are very rare. not being a Christian, I find that most are absolutely fine to live amongst. Now islam has also gone through its reformation to it’s roots, and isis, the whabbis etc, are practising islam exactly as intended, creating a toxic environment, even among the supposedly moderates.
Huck Folder says
Question: How many ‘crusades’ were there before mo invented allah/koran/islam?
marc says
Crusades are an irrelevance here as they were defensive for Christendom, and I’m sure they followed the same rules of combat as any other at the time, obumer was an idiot for even trying to compare.
Now the Inquisition, that’s different, apart from being a very long time ago, it’s methods could never be validated by any scripture as isis’s similar methods are by the koran.
It sounds like the idiot has managed to get nearly every church united, in their anger at him that is.
Salah says
More people are killed by Islamists EACH YEAR than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition COMBINED.
shrugger says
If I recall correctly, the Spanish inquisition averaged just 3 per year (Compare to islams current 5 per day) over it’s entire span. The reality is that it was made to look much more horrifyingly worse as a boogie man to keep people in other European Countries in line.
No one expects the Spanish Inn-quisition!
Bezelel says
Here is a good source for facts, obola should read it.
https://factreal.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/the-inquisition-the-exaggerated-crimes-of-religion/
Dafydd Vyvyn says
The Spanish Inquisition was most active between 1480 and 1530. It was first abolished in about 1800. Estimates of deaths run from about 826 (known) to (at least) 1300, to 1,463 (calculate total) to (a wild claim) of 150,000. There were 44,674 cases total, in which there were 826 executions. During the same time period, there were between 40,000 and 60,000 that were put to death for witchcraft. It seems these numbers are often lumped together to inflate a point being made when talking about the barbarity of the Spanish Inquisition.
(ref. the previous facts come from Wikipedia under “Spanish Inquisition”)
Now, lets talk about REAL barbarism….
Islam over-ran Spain in 711 and ruled until 1250 when they were restricted to Grenada. That lasted until 1492 – roughly the start of the Spanish Inquisition.
Just a convenient coincidence? Maybe. But it’s a valid question.
When Islam came to Spain in the 8th Century, they too killed in the name of their religion. They killed roughly 12,000,000. Twelve MILLION!!!
Perspective is everything.
The only question is: Why didn’t the Inquisition kill more?
TheBuffster says
DAFYDD VYVYN: “Islam over-ran Spain in 711 and ruled until 1250 when they were restricted to Grenada. That lasted until 1492 – roughly the start of the Spanish Inquisition.
“Just a convenient coincidence? Maybe. But it’s a valid question.”
You mean maybe the Church learned some bad habits from Islam?
Patricia A. Gallagher says
NONE. Islam was founded in the second quarter of the 7th century. The first Crusade was 1094 A.D., more than four centuries later.
yomayngsup says
It was actually Brian WIlliams who invented that crap
TH says
May the Lord free us from such reformations as the one iniciated by Luther in the 16th century, which povoked the death of thousands of people beginning with the peasant revolt whom Luther considered too radical, so he appealed to the nobles to crush them mercilessly, not to mention a whole host of religious civil wars promoted by the Protestants. History is not in favor of such reformations and there is no parallel with what happened then and Islam now.
Blitz2b says
Exactly Marc,
What a reformation does is bring a religion back to it’s roots…. Good or bad.
So the adherents of an inherently good religion will become better, and the ones that have bad set of values induced in it’s doctrines will become worse. Which is what we saw happen with the reformation in Christianity and what we see happening now a days with Islam.
Christ rightly said ” … A good tree will not bear bad fruit, and a bad tree will not bear good fruit…”
Our politicians, media, and PC leftists by their willful deceptions, try as they may will never be able to change Islam’s agenda to dominate the world through violence.
In the end everyone must come to the obvious conclusion that Islam will always be what it was intended to be. No amount of patronizing the Muslim masses will change it’s ideology.
marc says
Thanks for noticing what I was saying Blitz2b, everyone else seemed to miss the point, i guess some defence mechanism. A true fundamental Christian can be no threat to me, and I would have great respect for them, and fundamental muslims, well their just toxic, everything dies around them, whole races, culture, art, science. The Christian reformations brought wonderful advances for humanity. islamic reformation brings just death.
jihad3tracker says
I am a 66 year old lifelong DEMOCRAT — but totally disgusted with BHO’s plan to surrender our country for an eventual Islamic caliphate.
If Bobby Jindal “mocks” Obama for being Anti-Christ — that is one more person helping Americans into reality..
Markos says
I also voted for BHO (first election) and I too have been a lifetime Dem with no religious preference.
I have to say we elected a man who time after time has deceived and lied about what he is. I can’t even look at his face knowing he lied about being a Christian just to get elected.
All other religions can’t hold a candle to Islam when it comes to murder and genocide. The crusades were only a response Muslim savagery in the Middle East. For Obama to go there shows his deep prejudice to Christians and hatred of western culture.
I’ll vote for Jindel in a heart beat.
Bradamante says
I’m also a lifelong Democrat who voted for Obama twice, but that was before I knew what I know now. I won’t vote for Hilary no matter what — not with her Huma Abedin/Muslim Brotherhood connections — and most likely, I won’t vote for any Democrat. Anyone who will stand up to Islam has my vote; it’s more likely I’ll vote for a Republican — for the first time in my life — but quite a few of them (like McCain) are also completely snowed by Islam. Still, I’m totally ready to vote for any GOP candidate who will talk sense about what we’re facing.
ApolloSpeaks says
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS AND ARMY OF ISIS
The Christian Crusaders went to war against Islamic aggression. ISIS are Islamic aggressors at war with all infidels and Moslsms in their way. It’s that simple.
http://www.apollospeaks.com
john battah says
I agree with you for the most part and Obama is foolish to bring crusades which happened long ago they were justified until they arrived in Germany and started murdering jewish people
Alissa says
Obama is foolish. FULL STOP.
Bezelel says
Since the left leaners I’ve had discussions about religion with are quick to claim separation of Church and State and obola is no less than far left, what makes him think his religious opinion has any bearing on current events? Is he even a Reverend or a Priest or a Rabbi or a Buddhist monk or an imam or Witch Doctor? Just what makes his opinion worth any more than a knee walking gutter drunks? What are his credentials and where and what did he study?
Godwin says
Medieval Christian threat had long gone and dead hundreds of years ago. So were the days when his ancestors were running wild in Africa. Why kick up the dust to justify his actions to support the terrorists ? Talking like a stealth jihadist.
don lesh says
Is Obama sure it was in the name of Jesus ? not an unknown deity?
pongidae rex says
“We reject the notion that German National Socialism (the NAZI party) is an extremist organization simply because a tiny minority of extremists have committed acts of violence, racism and anti-Semitism. We declare our solidarity with the vast majority of the German people who are decent, peaceful and law abiding citizens.” Franklin D. Roosevelt 1938
The above quotation does not exist and never happened. It it did, the USA would be a German speaking vassel state of the Third Reich with a puppet government installed by Berlin. Jews and Judaism would be extinct on this planet. On the other hand, our current courageous Commander in Chief…
Markos says
They also waffled on The McGlaugflin Group tonight except for Pat Buchanan. He half heartedly defended the Crusades.
TNT says
Christianity was suppressed a long time ago, can the secularism of today who is aiding this demon ideology which wants to kill off Christianity save us? I think not. Best to ask those in the Middle East and Africa who are screaming for their lives and crying out for help as they watch their children and families being butchered. Secularism is ignoring their cries, but thank God the crusades are dead, these people could possibly have a chance of surviving with it.This will come back on the west and it’s secularism.
TheBuffster says
TNT, what is “secularism”?
If you mean it’s separating the government from the church, so that government uses it’s coercive power only to protect individual rights, not to endorse nor enforce any particular religion or a lack of religion, then that’s a good thing. That’s what we need to protect from the Islamic theocrats. Secularism is supposed to mean religion keeps its hands off of the coercive power and the coercive power (government) keeps its hands off of religion.
If you mean by “secularism”, “atheism”, I’d disagree there, as well.
I had trouble believing in God from the time I was a little kid. I just can’t believe. But I fully understand the need of every person to the individual rights recognized in the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution. I know that every mind who aims to keep itself honest and to try its best to seek truth needs to be free to do that without a government ordaining what he should think, believe, or pursue in life. A person can be completely secular in his or her outlook and yet comprehend his own need – and hence others’ need – to be free and moral (honest in mind and in relations with others, productive, respectful of rights, etc.)
The trouble we’re in today isn’t secularism or atheism. It’s the screwy kind of philosophies that the left has put in place of regard for individual rights. It’s the failure to grasp where the line between one person and another should be drawn morally – you *don’t* initiate physical force against others. You don’t commit fraud. You deal with others on a voluntary, uncoerced basis. But you have every right to defend yourself against those who initiate force against you or others. And the law should exist to see to it that those who violate rights don’t keep doing it.
That’s this secular woman’s view.
All the politically correct junk comes not from people being secular or atheist, but from failing grasp what rights are and where the line should be drawn. Is somebody a bigot? So what? Is he initiating physical force or threatening to do so against the group he despises? No? Then the law has no say over his stupid opinions. Does he say hurtful, bigoted things to people of a given group? Those who don’t like it can shun him or argue with him or stick their tongues out at him. Does he refuse to serve people of a certain color in his diner? Fine. It’s his diner. People who don’t like his policies can shun him. If that puts him out of business, fine. If he stays in business, fine. His life. His property. He can go his way, I’ll go mine. Maybe I’ll compete with him and take all the customers he shuns and all the ones who hate his policies.
The “politically correct” people can’t see that not because they lack religion, but because they don’t get the fundamental ethical principle that would allow them to be consistently on the side of liberty.
As to the resistance to facing jihadism for what it is and fighting it as it needs to be fought, I know a lot of “secularists” or atheists who are 100% on the side of this website.
paksangel says
TheBuffster, while I have been reading JihadWatch for years, I only now created an account because of your post. You have stated EXACTLY how I have felt and thought for years. THANK YOU! I am so glad (and relieved) to see that I am not alone.
Demsci says
Obama is busy, ad nauseam, to exonerate, protect the Islamic doctrine, by comparing it and it’s followers with other creeds and their followers throughout history.
But he should move on from that: OK, how about interpretation of Islam, and how about accountability for choosing to be Muslim and being in the same organisation as ISIS and Iran. and not being distinguishable from them?
He must know by now, that in the Islamic world, both in Shiite Iran as in the Sunni Brotherhood, and in many more Muslim organisations, there is a profound anti-Americanism, even anti-Democratism. And these guys are not just defensively, they mean to be supreme and not living in peaceful co-existence, as the Americans and democratic people want.
Never mind that so many Muslims are lukewarm in their faith and allegiances, and only minding their own business, that enmity exists and is huge!
And when Muslims do not want to separate themselves from these very hostile Muslim leaders and movements, it is only natural that they are distrusted by democratic peoples, they deserve that for not clearly separating themselves from these enemies.
Which ultimately they can choose to do, even while remaining Muslim. After all, time and again we are assured that Islam and Muslims are not the real problem.
But in the face of overwhelming contradicting evidence, still Muslims refuse to be clear on their allegiance.
Every old and new American is obliged to swear allegiance to the constitution. Let Obama focus on this; that Muslims are controlled and watched, that they TOO truly and fully adhere to that oat and our essential Western values
And to the Western Nations too, even if these are so faulty in their eyes. How can they expect to be trustworthy and credible if they really, in their minds, support our enemies, and want our downfall?
Or are refusing to counterprove that, in the face of overwhelming evidence of severe enmity and ill-will of so many Muslims, so people in THEIR religious group. And Religion is one of the most sacred of connections, especially among Muslims. Who do not seem to care much about which nation they live in!
duh_swami says
White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said today Obama was talking about being “honest with ourselves” when we fall short of our values.
What high arrogance that is…Exactly who is falling short of ‘our’ values .Do we really need these creeps telling us what out ‘values’ are…
Laura says
I wonder why the gun toting Americans don’t remove Obama from power?
Alissa says
Me too! If ever there was a president deserving impeachment…it’s got to be Obama. Compare Obama and Nixon. Nixon who was completely demonized by the American people for years. Who’s worse? Obama or Nixon?
Rita says
With apologies to the originator of the following words, whose name I have forgotten:
““When the consequences of naivitey are the same as the consequences of malice, it is wiser and safer to assume malice.”
Obama whores for Islam, it’s as simple as that and by now it should be obvious to everyone.
King says
Before Mohammed was born, Christianity had existed for at least 3 centuries. Its spread was peaceful. After the coming of Islam, Christianity lost ground in ME not to peaceful preaching but to brutal overthrown by Islam. Islam was expansionist in nature. Then came the Crusades to stop the Muslim. The crusaders could hardly find scripture to back their expeditions. But in the case of Islam, the jihad is entrenched in the faith. In a simple way, you can hardly be a good Muslim without being a jihadist, because jihadism is a pillar of Islam. There is a difference from those who fight to protect their faith and those whose faith are entrench in war.Truly, those who practice a religion can become dangerously fundamentalist, but there is always a danger when fundamentalism is imposed by the religion or inherent in the religion. Specifically, if there were no crusades, there wouldn’t have been Christianity today and perhaps Obama would not have been a president today of a nation, which he is proud of. And perhaps, there would not have been a platform of free speech for his oratory and rhetoric to be heard globally.
I do not really understand Obama. Is he saying that Jihadism is the outcome of Crusades?. Perhaps he was trying to say no religion should claim to be totally peaceful, even Christianity, since there was once Crusades by Christians. I believe his argument is that just like the Crusades brought reforms in Christendom, the ongoing Jihad will lead to reform in Islam. This I doubt. Because, the only reform understood by Islam is subjugation and not coexistence of faith. When Obama talks about the glorious era of Islam he overlooked the fact that the glorious era was the subjugation of some some people and greater vicilisation. And perhaps, we should be reminded that Arabs civilization and indeed the entire ME precedes Islam. The richness of Arab civilization was greatly dimmed by Islam. Islam, to a large extent, destroyed the heritage of the great Civilization. Historically, ME had a thriving and envious civilization before Islam. But I doubt if the ME can see beyond Islam for they have indeed attached their relevance to Islam. I think, what “a” people need to do is to redefine their existence as a great people outside their religion.
To me, any religion that propagates the killing and dehumanization of human beings has become an ideology of dominance of man over man and not of God. I continue to wonder who are the martyrs? Those who kill and got killed or those who did not kill but got killed for their faith? We need to start redefining concepts
But something is sure, if terrorism is not separated from Islam, and destroyed, islam may not be able to withstand another crusades, which is very imminent.Because the circle of revolt begins with fear, then subjugation, then less fear, hatred, then revulsion,then fearlessness, then revolt and revolution.
Always On Watch says
I think that I’m in love with Bobby Jindal!
Aton says
The Crusades were a liberation, not an occupation.
Despite Syria being under Muslim control for 400 years, the majority population were still Syriac Christian. So when Count Baldwin I of Boulogne entered Edessa in 1098 (the first city to be liberated from barbaric Muslim control) he was welcomed in as a hero liberator.
Some of this is mentioned here:
https://www.academia.edu/8749355/Islamic_Inventions_were_Roman_Greek_and_Persian
What Obama is saying, is that the UK and American liberation of France and Benelux, was a barbaric invasion of Europe – and we were grossly unfair in ejecting the Nazis from those lands.
Yes, that is how wrong Obama is on this one. He is supporting the Nazis in both cases – the German Nazis and the Muslim Nazis.
Aton
Angemon says
He should have gotten plenty of mockery from both sides.
mgoldberg says
“White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said today Obama was talking about being “honest with ourselves” when we fall short of our values.”
As opposed to Obama and his administration, who are never honest with themselves about the homicidal theologic dictates of Islam commanded forever by Mohammed and reiterated and carried out by theologians, and muslim leaders for 1375 yrs since. And today, and here, and now…. these dictates are being denied as having anything to do with Islam, when it has EVERYTHING to do with Mohammed and his Allah and their Islam.
Brian says
White House deputy press secretary Eric Schultz said today Obama was talking about being “honest with ourselves” when we fall short of our values……………………..The he goes again speaking on another subject he knows nothing about……..Honesty!!!
The renegade says
Obama is an a&£@ h@&£.
He was in India giving Indians a lecture on tolerance during his stay in India and after his return to US via Saudi Arabia.
Muslims in India are like a nation within a nation. They are confused, they identify more with Saudi than with the land they were born in and still grovel over their medieval Islamic masters like those Pakistanis and end up rioting when they don’t like a Hindu celebrating festivals or eating during their unholy month called Ramadan.
Muslims were giving two countries Bangladesh and Pakistan (that were previously one)! From these two countries they virtually ethnically cleansed all the Hindus and Sikhs. Before that they ethnically cleansed Hindus from Afghanistan and Kashmir. Obama needs to first get his facts rights.
For a noble peace prize winner he sure doesnot have trouble in dealing with countries like Pakistan and China that give its people no rights to religious freedom and instead peaches to India which has been home to Jews, Zoroastrians, Tibetan Buddhists etc. for centuries where they lived and are still living peacefully and who were driven out of their homelands by communist Chinese and Muslims. Jews will always have home in India even if tomorrow they are driven out of Israel which hopefully will never happen.
For a country with a population of a billion plus, he picks up a few stray incidents and calls country intolerant. If majority faith was intolerant, there would be no other faiths. During Mahatma Gandhi’s time we had partition and millions of Hindus were butchered by the so called peaceful Muslim minority! Hindus and Sikhs retaliated and were blamed for defending themselves!
Before that Hindus were butchered by some estimates at 125 million over centuries of Islamic conquest in India. That is equivalent of almost 20 plus holicasts. Muslims have butchered others as well Armenian Christians, Lebanese Christians, Syrian Christians, East Timor, philliphines etc. Why not speak on those. How many Muslim countries provide freedom to practice and preach to non Muslims? – virtually none. Mr. Obama no one is buying your crap. How many people / countries has US destroyed since WW2? The list runs into millions of lives including during his own tenure.
Mr. Obama you can take your Islam is a peaceful religion propaganda and shove it up your rear end. Look at US history first – native Indians were ethnically cleansed and enslaved. Only saving grace for US were enlightened leaders like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln who preached equal rights and freedom for all and no foreign entanglements. Don’t interfere in India internal affairs because you know jack shit about India! The thing you know about India are its not so good sights which western media focus on to humiliate and belittle India.
Indians had plotted the solar system more than thousand years before the time westerners believed that earth was still flat and still are using traditional calculation and mathematics that tell us when next solar or lunar eclipse is among other things.
Islamic jihadis have destroyed Indian civilisation that ironically was born in present day Pakistan (Harappa and mohinjadaro) by attacking our knowledge centres and cultural centres like Nalanda, taksheela etc. and we are slowly limping back from all this. If you go to places like kutb minar the Islamic monument you will see remnants of Hindu pillars used to build Islamic mosques. Islamic empire has been built on tears and blood of humanity and the time is not far off when this evil ideology will be completely destroyed by the very foundations that it was built on.
If west or America were to have gone through such a devastating blows you would not have survived it. Let’s see his you “tolerance” will hold up in next 30 years when Muslims will make up a sizeable chunk of your population and how western tolerance responds when you have skull capped bearded Muslim trampling all over your religious and non religious freedoms which you guys are taking for granted. France is your biggest test.
Please don’t lecture India, we welcome all, but if we are slapped, we will slap back, we may not be rich, we may not be militarily of economically strong as you but we are a fighting country and are proud of our country and values and have survived Islamic conquest, western conquest and will survive and keep fighting hypocrites and undeserving noble peace prize winners like yourselves and others.
Mr. Obama go F&@£ yourself and I hope and pray that the rest of your compatriots are not as ignorant as you!
Blitz2b says
Well said renegade …. The closet Muslim Obama is a sleeve snake in a position of power slowly injecting the nation with his poison…. Beware of his final deathly attack on the nation before his term is done !
MKG says
Your comments are very interesting Renegade.
What you are describing is man’s will to power. Nobody in this world has clean hands, Sikhs and Hindus included. Where ever man is standing he likes to be in charge. He likes to have control of resources, wealth and women. He likes to gather with like minded fellows to build strength in numbers. He and his fellows like to expand to build nations and countries, then defend what has been won. Nobody is immune from this. In addition, man will use what ever means at his disposal to accomplish his will. If you can not get a certain idea in your neighbors head, or a certain feeling in their heart, you put a bullet there instead. A measure of a peoples strength in power and identity is shown in their tolerance to others. That tolerance goes only so far as the ability of those other people to influence your culture or compromise your authority. Then your tolerance turns into beatdown. Again no body is immune to this.
sadiq says
A Hindu pervert to Christianity pretending to be more white than his white masters and trying to demean the only true religion of the world Islam.
MKG says
“the only true religion of the world Islam.”
Congratulations!
You just validated the opinions of many so called islamophobics.
BlueRaven says
“only true religion of the world Islam”
Wow… what a typical obnoxious debauchee from Pakistan.
Angemon says
sadiq posted:
“trying to demean the only true religion of the world Islam”
Why would someone need to demean something that does a superb job of demeaning itself?
CraigAustin says
If Mr. Jindal would be so kind as to run for President, the country and the rest of the civilized world could become a better place. Although after BHO, Mr Ed would be an improvement.
SpiritOf1683 says
Whatever the Crusades were like, would the West have been around as we know it without them? No way. The Crusades delayed the Jihadi invasion of Europe by a good 200 years, allowing the Renaissance to take place and miltary technology to evolve – the sort that would ultimately halt the Jihadis then drive them back. Vienna would almost certainly have fallen to the Jihadis around around 1329 instead of surviving to win the day against them in 1529, and then again in 1683. Western culture and creativity would have been stillborn with the fall of places like Vienna, and so much would have been . In reality, the Crusaders fought for the freedoms we take for granted today every bit as much as Jan Sobieskis Winged Hussars some 400 or 500 years later, or our World War II vets around 800 years later.
SpiritOf1683 says
Whatever the Crusades were like, would the West, as we know it, have been around without them? No way. The Crusades delayed the Jihadi invasion of Europe by a good 200 years, allowing the Renaissance to take place and miltary technology to evolve – the sort that would ultimately halt the Jihadis then drive them back. Vienna would almost certainly have fallen to the Jihadis somewhere around 1329 instead of surviving to win the day against them in 1529, and then again in 1683. Western culture and creativity would have been stillborn with the fall of places like Vienna, and so much would have been lost to us. In reality, the Crusaders fought for the freedoms we take for granted today every bit as much as Jan Sobieskis Winged Hussars some 400 or 500 years later, or our World War II vets around 800 years later.
Mild Bill Hickok says
Dear Mr. President:
Attila the Hun and his hoard are long gone. It is now time to send the Islamic State to hell to be with them.
joeblough says
Obama’s comment, which amounts to — Christian culture TODAY is morally the same as Mohammedan culture because the distant ancestors of today’s Christians did awful things — is not racism as such, but is pure collectivist thinking. Comparing groups. Equating people with their ancestors.
The logic is much like the accusation that blacks today are primitive because the Africans of 200 years ago were primitive. A group is a group is a group. And groups have character traits that all the individuals in the group share.
Pure, primitive, bonehead tribalist, collectivism.
Obama’s mediocrity stinks of mildew and rot.
Beyond that, his nonsense about the Crusades and the Inquisition is standard issue Mohammedan Supremacist propaganda.
And of course, a lie. This is Obama after all.
voegelinian says
“…his [Obama’s] nonsense about the Crusades and the Inquisition is standard issue Mohammedan Supremacist propaganda.”
It’s also an excruciatingly common meme in the Mainstream worldview throughout the West.
peter weber says
Israel: Guilty of War Crimes?
International law shows that even a high civilian death toll does not, on its own, constitute evidence of war crimes, and that each case has to be examined separately.
https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/law1_final.pdf
“Proportionality” has a technical meaning connected to the ethics of war.
The UNHRC is clearly an anti-Israel body. In 2014 the UNHRC passed more resolutions against Israel than it did against Iran, Syria, and North Korean combined! It also shows just how biased and anti-Semitic the UN really is.
The head of UN committee investigating alleged Israeli war crimes resigned after accusations of bias. Appointing Schabas to the United Nations Human Rights Council was indeed like appointing a fox to guard the proverbial hen house.
By the way: The prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is Fatou Bensouda, a Muslim woman. On whether her religion plays any role in helping her do the job that she has been elected to do, she said: “Absolutely, definitely. Islam, as you know, is a religion of peace, and it gives you this inner strength, this inner ability and a sense of justice. Together with my experience, this will help a lot.” Good to know! Seriously, a Muslim as prosecutor of the International Criminal Court? No Muslim or Jew should be prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.
Actually it’s Hamas that is committing the war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing missiles over its border into Israel completely indiscriminately. It is fairly clear that Hamas has committed war crimes. Hamas has used child soldiers, human shields, indiscriminate firing and weaponry incapable of discriminate firing during the conflict. It has also committed perfidy – using protective objects in an attempt to shield combatants – such as storing rockets in schools.
The “Palestinians” job in effectively wielding propaganda as a weapon against Israel is made easier by the international media’s willingness to accept “Palestinian claims” at face value.
Non-governmental human rights organizations also play a key role in this effort.
Already in 2012
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/…/the_new_israel_fund_ngo_networ…
Those Westerners who criticize Israel’s response to close to 3,000 rocket attacks might tell us what Israel should do in response — just take the rockets, surrender or leave the Middle East?
A survey in UK showed that 62 percent believed that Israel had committed war crimes in Gaza. This includes 72% of Labor supporters and 57% of Conservatives. In other words, nearly two-thirds of Britons believe that Israel has no right to defend itself!
Many Westerners give their moral support to “Palestinians”. Why?
Anti-Semitic attacks have skyrocketed in Europe in the wake of the Israeli-“Palestinian” conflict. It’s not just a criticism of Israel’s foreign policy; it’s an attack on Jews. Synagogues have faced Molotov cocktails, bomb threats and vandalism. Several European cities have seen slogans such as “Gas the Jews” (Germany).
Most Facebook comments will mention no arguments. People don’t care … Israel has “murdered” the people from Gaza. Where is their proof? They need no proof! The Western world is whining about “Islamophobia” but nobody cares about the new anti-Semitism.
If you presume Israel guilty of war crimes before investigations are made, this is anti-Semitism!
In January 2015 the ICC launched a preliminary examination of alleged war crimes. Once a situation is thus identified, article 53(1)(a)-(c) of the Statute establishes the legal framework for a preliminary examination. It provides that, in order to determine whether there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation.
What happened is not an investigation, it is not a determination of legal culpability. It is a preliminary analysis to see if there are reasons not to bring the case before the ICC. An examination is not an investigation! If you look at the newspapers, you will see, that almost all of them wrote about an “investigation” … biased once again …
MKG says
Excellent post Mr. Weber, and very informative, though not surprising.
A soldier’s duty is to shield his people from harm, not hide behind them. That is the action of cowards. Any fool can look at that and determine who is honorable and who is criminal. However, the agenda of the UN and other socialists has blinded them to the point of profound ignorance.
M S case says
Fire the UN all they are accomplishing is taking our money and doing nothing in return’ They do more harm than good. They may do a good deed just to cover face but not really
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Where is their proof? They need no proof!
I call this fictive reality, where so many accept a lie as the truth that it may as well be. Fictive realities are rarely if ever reversed. Look at global warming, which was forced to rename itself climate change by the planet having cycled into its 30 year cooling period.
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Speaking of the truth, it will be quite a show when our news entertainers react to Bibi’s speech to Congress in a few weeks. That’ll be geeky entertainment at its very best.
Ben says
How do they sleep at night? Answer–alcohol, and drugs, big bucks.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
President Obama yesterday obliquely addressed the controversy over his administration not referring to terrorist groups like ISIS as being “radical Muslims.”
Is calling them radical Moslems as good as it’s gonna get? Prez Barack Hussein — he of madrasas schooling during his boyhood in his homeland Indonesia, the world’s most populous Moslem nation — is absolutely correct to not call them radical Moslems.
Call them Moslems. Some recognition, puleeze.
Brian Hoff says
IS isnot than Islamist orginize or group.(99.99% of the muslim worldwide donot consider IS as muslim for the actions which go against the Koran and it treaching. That why our current president is correct as well as mainstream media is correct. The Finland Nazie Party didnot agree with Hitler on murdering the Jew, they refuse to hand they jews or jew hideing in Finland over to Germany.
CogitoErgoSum says
Brian, interesting comment. It made me look further. Were these Jews “Honorary Aryans?” Hitler would bestow that designation on those who possessed skills valuable to the war effort, were considered an ally or who were “useful idiots.” The non-Swedish speaking Finns (the majority of Finns) were “honorary Aryans, as were the Japanese. Am I trying too hard or do I see a slight similarity to “dhimmis?”
There is an article on Wikipedia about this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan
nix says
Finland didn’t have a nazi party.Unless you consider them red nazis soviet union supported during their invasions to be one…
BlueRaven says
As a President of the US, he should NEVER teach us anything unless he is an expert on that subject. He appear to have no grasp fo the history, except the rumors he heard from the Muslim Circles – remember the crusades —
Without the Crusades, there would not have been Westrern civilizations as we know it. There would been ISIS all over the World. Obama would have never made it to be the President of any nation. Obama is a Jihadi and he is telling us to ‘shut the fkcu up’ about Islam. He is talking the same language as CAIR. We don’t need him on our side because he aint.
Mohamadamadingdong says
Was it his speech writer or was it Obama himself who has no grasp of history. I can’t believe he’s a Ivy League educated graduate. He sounds more like a Harlem high school drop out who never cracked open a history book. Putin, Assad, Al Sisi, would savage this idiot in a foreign policy debate. I think he’s even dumber then George Bush Jr.
Why do we keep electing these feckless morons?
katherine says
Imam Hussein is practicing al-Taqiya – just like most of the news media on this planet. Remember when Israel struck back at Gaza after the rocket attacks and killed some of its residents ?
The media was saturated with stories and images of Jewish barbarism but they just completely ignored the ISIL activities that were occurring simultaneously even though hundreds of thousands of non-Muslims were dying and being displaced.
Have the major networks been compromised?
IS THERE A NEW BENEDICT ARNOLD IN THE WHITE HOUSE ?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Have the major networks been compromised?
Jeez, that happened decades ago, when that dirt bag shit heel Walter Cronkite reported that we had lost the Tet Offensive. That nationally broadcast and much quoted falsehood was so widely accepted that it shifted public opinion overnight, and led to the United State’s first ever surrender.
This country’s never been the same since. Substitute Bill O’Reilly for Walter Cronkite and you got yourself our present day surrender, which is still a work in progress, of course.
Hummer says
Congress needs a deep investigation background of this divisive President now. Taqiyya is stardard operating procedure with the evil ideology he promotes. What does it take to impeach someone who refuses to defend our country, provides aid to terrorists, has them in our White House and on and on. The civil unrest caused by impeaching him is small compared to what he has done and is doing to us using our federal agencies against us and the unrest that he has already brought with his divisiveness. Let’s stop this wannabe dictator now.
cs says
In the comment part of this article, the discussion really is about how Obama loves Islam in detriment of America. Meaning, this discourse is quite obvious to everyone. That he sold his shoes to Islam, or he is a Muzzie himself.
The renegade says
Agreed.
Religion is man made. It is supposed to be followed when one starts to question purpose and creation and should be spiritual and philosophical journey which each individual discovers by himself and at the most to give a person a peace of mind and not make a person a complete blood thirsty monster.
Human beings use every single aspect to create a hegemony so that the few members of the pack leading the hegemony can derive power and exercise control over the rest of us – reason can be anything race, language, religion are the top ways to get this.
This is what happens in monotheisms or “my way of the highway approach” or one size fits all.
Polytheism allows alternate philosophies and thoughts to flourish around it hegemonic risk is minimised as alternate views are accepted as long as it does not undermine or try to replace ethos of one god multiple paths to reach god…
With Islam, intelligence and conscience of the human being is subdued and enslaved by threats of hell, death or brutal punishment from the day a child is able to speak and walk.
The mullahs want to empower themselves with sex slaves and wealth through caliphate to head a hegemony that fulfils their perverted plan for world dominance similar to what the evil Muhammad did.
Earth from view of Hubble telescope and other studies done is just one small spec in the universe, with humanity even more insignificant in the overall scheme of things and these idiots are fighting over and dying for a compete lie told by one evil man who just wanted to gain Hegemony over others…
The fight with Islam is the fight that white blood cells have with virus that invades a human mind and body. Unless the spread is stopped and destroyed if will infect the whole body and will eventually kill it.
In the Hinduism, God’s nature is described as three fold – creation, maintenance and destruction – these inevitably represent the phases that every human goes through in his/her life.
Islam’s seems to be in the last category from a purpose perspective I.e. to destroy. Humanity has tipped the scales of balance on this earth multiplying beyond natures set limits and scales and destruction / correction of this imbalance is inevitable.
jihad3tracker says
Thank you, Renegade, for an eloquent post . . . I will look forward to future contributions here.
The renegade says
Thank you Jihad3tracker.
Just trying to bring sanity to this world that is increasingly becoming insane where degeneration is the order of the day and people are getting more concerned and doing insane things for a God they cannot talk to, touch or feel rather than trying make their own lives better along with lives of others.
With Muslims I get even more concerned as they seem to worship a person called Muhammad without even realising it and have put this person on a top pedestal of being supposedly ” ideal man” rather than worshipping God. Muhammad’s acts are being replicated by ISIS, love them or hate them and what ISIS is following is True Islam. If Muslims don’t agree with this, they should start questioning their own faith.
If normal Muslims are at a level silently subscribing to ISIS acts which is purportedly fighting for Islam, future of humanity looks bleak as these people form a third of humanity and are rapidly replicating as well.
Muslims flee conflict zones like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Somalia. Afghanistan etc. are given homes by atheist societies / secular societies that care more for human values and feelings, when I interact with these people they try to replicate behavioural tendencies that have put their country on downward trajectories through hate and rejection of their host country ethos.
I have seen so many Pakistani. Iraqi, Somali etc. UK / US citizens that hate the country that is providing them shelter, livelihoods and most of all equal rights and look upto and uphold values of societies or ethos of countries like Saudi Arabia where no one has any rights and represents the largest open air jail in the world. You have more rights in a prison than you have in Saudi – cannot do do many thing in public – listen to music, dance, watch movies – human creativity is completely stifled. “Skull caps” which Muslims wear to me represent an imprisonment of the mind where bad ideas stay where they are not released to be replaced by better ideas and Islam is the “mother load” of all bad ideas.
When human creativity is stifled, a person becomes insane or develops destructive tendencies as the purpose for ‘creation’ is removed and without creation there cannot be ‘maintenance’ and hence this culminates into a destructive human mindset that is inherent and reflected in the mind set of every Muslim from childbirth whether moderate of otherwise as there is only “one Islam” – there is no radical or moderate Islam, just Islam as peaceful verses are abrogated by violent verses in the Quran that is replicated in Islam’s history where peaceful human beings were abrogated by violent humans similar or exactly same as ISIS. Best example of this is the destruction of Bamiyan Buddha statue in Afghanistan that was the last vestige of their humanity.
Islam is the personification of the destructive nature inherent in every human being. Nothing creative or good has ever come out of the true followers of Islam who only purpose is death and destruction of what has been created and what would have otherwise been created.
Islam through its jihad has put a country like India back more than a thousand years at least through its 1200+ years of jihad on India, from being a hub of learning and creativity from science, astronomy and medicines country descended to chaos and decadence. This was achieved through destruction of knowledge hubs and centres of human creativity and knowledge and robbed India of cumulative learning that would have otherwise benefitted entire humanity e.g. Nalanda university destruction and many more.
There is a real and present danger of this happening in the west and unfortunately people are oblivious to this which brings me to my last point which is “ignorance is not bliss”….
Dave J says
Just because Muslims want to live in the 7th Century does that mean we all have to?
The Crusades were about taking back lands from Muslim conquest. Now we are facing a new invasion and attempt to destroy the West by immigration and terrorism. We must resist this demented jihad.
Jay Boo says
The yapping Islamic lapdog president has turned his back on Christianity.
The Saudis may have bought Obama a Noble Peace Prize and two presidential elections but one would think that Obama would at least still have enough dignity left to have a trace of shame when he utters his groveling words.
Beth says
Hey Obama! The eleventh century called. They want their foreign policy back.
Matt Tumbleson says
Unfortunately, Mr. (not President) Obama fails to mention that the Crusades that he brought up were undertaken to reclaim lands stolen by force by…. drumroll please…. the Muslims. The lands stolen were the Christian and Jewish Holy Lands taken by Muhammed humself during the 7th Century.
So if we really break this down to its base, Mohammed stole land by killing its inhabitants, then the Christians fought back. Now Muslims are stealing lands by killing its inhabitants again.
Didn’t someone once say something about history repeating itself?
Rita says
I wonder what “repeat” of history the nasty figure of Obama represents – he certainly is not a re-incarnated Jew nor Christian…
He is seriously dangerous, dear friends.
Mahendra Singh says
While I read this article a Fatwa must be in the offing for Jindal’s head
a la Rushdie.
Islofob IS-1 says
Obama take the wrong message from the events known as the Crusades.
Note that the followers of islam were stopped, and largely were under control for centurys, until the last when oil fueled a return.
Today, we look to find “moderates ” that follow islam that we can work with. We jump from friend to foe, looking for the cult of the month tribe to work with. We have massive military hardware on land ,sea and the skys.
But , islam advances.
The Christians of scorn should be studied, they used horses, swords and faith.
Perhaps we should learn the lesson of the past, why were they successful, and why our “leaders” want to end wars, and not win them, for the future of the free world..
Ben says
Islam will be stopped once again, when the West understands what needs to be done. The attack will require motivation, such as another 9/11 or much worse, or the elimination of command and control in Wash. D.C. Then, our military protocol will employee missile borne, and land based strategic weapons that will cut the enemy Arab/Muslin population in half during the first hour of combatt. The rest will be so badly damaged that they will be licking their wounds for decades to come. This will require approximately 250 battlefield nuclear shells, and 50-100 large bombs.
M S case says
@ BEN BUT UNTIL THIS HAPPENS ISIS AND ALL OTHER RADICAL ISLAMIST WILL KEEP ON KILLINNG I’M SURE THAT WHAT YOU SY WILL HAPPEN, EVENTUALLY, BUT IT NEEDS TO HAMMEN NOW!!!
DafyddVyvyn says
Steven Runciman’s seminal work, “A History of the Crusades” (1951-54), which was the first to promote the idea that The Crusades were unjust, for profit and more worldly based than spiritually based has in no small measure been almost completely repudiated by more recent scholarly research, both in literature and archeology. Runciman’s work made numerous unsubstantiated assumptions about the motivations of individuals; assumptions what were deeply rooted in the aftermath of the era in which he wrote his work (the 1950’s) after the failure of WWI and WWII to bring about a lasting peace.
In that respect, his work is more an indictment against war itself, rather than any particular act of war. And it is extremely unfortunate that Runciman chose the Crusades as the backdrop for his thesis – especially for the confusion it creates today. Perhaps he felt his ideas would be less threatened in the context of the Crusades, since no one before him had attempted a scholarly work on that era of history.
Yet those who seek go grasp the power to control others today, with claims that the church did similar things some 500-1,000 years ago and then cite examples from Runciman’s lopsided history as justification for events today – fail to see the hypocrisy of their own actions. Especially when they attempt to use an idea of something that in all likelihood did not exist or did not happen (at least not to the extent or for the reasons they claim), to justify their own similar actions.
Why can’t they see their own hypocrisy?
Because they are unable to understand the actions of others, except through the myopic lens of their own pathology – i.e., their own selfish and lustful desire for power and control.
They are like the thief who, when he misplaces an item is more apt to claim, “Somebody stoke it”, before he actually tries to look for it.
It took Christianity 1500 years before Martin Luther composed his Ninety-Five Theses on the door of the Church in Wittenberg in October of 1517, sparking the Protestant Reformation. It was a deeply ideological transformation (an awakening, if you will) that threw the Western world into violent turmoil for nearly 300 years afterwards. Benevolent segments of Christianity had to fight (often resorting to simply running away to the New World and revolting from there) to regain the peaceful, loving, nurturing character of “the salvation of mankind”, that comprised the basis of Christianity as it existed before Charlemagne’s conversion and before he made Christianity a “state religion”.
Islam was founded upon the death of Muhammad, in 632. Islam is not yet 1,400 years old. It has not had a complete reformation to get back to its roots. Perhaps that transformation is still somewhere to be found in the future. And let us all fervently hope so. In fact, let us hope it either remains there or simply ceases to exist. Because if you read the Qu’ran in the chronological order in which it was written, and in the order that the most renown Muslim scholars know and interpret it, you will quickly find that what the jihadists seek, is exactly that. A reformation to return Islam to what it was meant to be in the first place: a totalitarian dogma and state religion that will rule all of humanity.
If you cannot see this truth as being anything but Islamophobic, then I suggest you remove the myopic lens from your understanding and go read the Qu’ran in the order in which it was written, and then start looking for that sense of reason you seem to have misplaced somewhere.
voegelinian says
It’s significant that Governor of Missouri Piyush “Bobby” Jindal has the telltale (R) by his name — i.e., that he’s a Republican. While we recently learned to our dismay from a poll of Iowa caucus voters that upwards of 53% of American Republicans think Islam is just hunky dory and peachy keen, we were also reminded by those stats that on the whole, the Republican subculture has more rationality in it than does the subculture of the Democratic party (if only because the latter was so staggeringly — but unsurprisingly — retarded on this most urgently critical issue of the problem of Islam).
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/iowa-caucus-53-of-republicans-81-of-democrats-think-islam-is-peaceful
It may also be significant that Governor Jindal is, as his bio tells us, “an American politician who …was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to immigrants from India.”
While, again, many (if not, alas, most) east Indians remain unconscionably remiss in their obligation to oppose the perennial, ongoing scourge of Islam (probably more due to a legacy of dhimmitude than to the PC MC proper which afflicts the Western mainstream), nevertheless, there are many of east Indian descent who have retained an appropriate aversion to Islam based on their history of Islamic conquest and genocide (over 60 million massacred by Muslims — that’s ten Holocausts).
shrugger says
Bobby isn’t the Governor of Missouri. 😉
voegelinian says
Right; I meant to type “Louisiana”.