“He knew that Isil are in the right. He knew that they are protecting us. Isil’s enemies are afraid because they see that they are implementing the correct system.”
How did Muslims in moderate Jordan get the Islamophobic idea that the Islamic State had anything to do with Islam?
“Karak, Jordan: Where one pilot is mourned and another is praised for joining ISIL,” by Ruth Sherlock, the Telegraph, February 7, 2015:
The Jordanian Air Force pilot burned alive in a steel cage by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant jihadists gave his life to protect his hometown of Karak, Jordan.
But many in Moaz al-Kasaesbeh’s town, 90 miles south of the capital Amman, are siding with his murderers.
Jordanian pilot Moaz al-Kaseasbeh, who was burned alive by ISIL.
A few miles across town, resident Jawad Majali, 19, said how his brother, who also served in the country’s Royal Air Force, had defected to join the extremists.
Speaking of his brother Ahmad, who died last year after becoming a jihadist in Syria, Mr Majali said: “He knew that Isil are in the right. He knew that they are protecting us.
“Isil’s enemies are afraid because they see that they are implementing the correct system.”…
Joseph says
This is bad, but we have it here in the U.S.A. too. People protesting at the funerals of fallen soldiers and protesting and spitting on soldiers returning home(at the airports). Shame on them and I hope they wallow in a barrel of shit(figurative) before they die an undignified death.May their bones have no rest.
Sorry, but ALL soldiers that fight for freedom are my soldiers, my sons and daughters. IT JUST PISSES ME OFF TO NO END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joseph says
I am one of those Christian religious nuts. AND THEY ARE STILL MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS. Those that make their god like #1 are creating a “false god” not the true God in heaven. That is idol worship.
Please don’t lump us all in one basket, the company their is uncomfortable and it is unfair to other Christians. Don’t do the “turn the other cheek” thing either, for it has a much deeper meaning than what most people know.
Joseph says
Westman, the last post was not directed at you it is a supplement. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY>
THANKS
gravenimage says
Westman. please note that the Westboro Baptist Church never numbered more than about seventy members, and that virtually all of them were relatives and in-laws of Fred Phelps.
No other Christian churches ever recognized this sect—certainly not the huge mainstream Baptist and Southern Baptist congregations.
And with Fred Phelps’ passing, I haven’t heard of *any* further cases.
This group was disgusting, but they were *never* mainstream. And as much as I opposed them, even at their worst they were nothing like these supporters of Islamic savagery. They were never violent, or called for violence.
And many assumed they were a larger factor simply because they were such an anomaly.
dlbrand says
Much in the Islamic regarded texts clearly shows, believers punishing non-believers, and especially “apostates,” with fire is not only just fine in Islam, it is sunnah.
Therefore, this is just once more incident in which the “sacred texts” affirm the actions of the executioners in the Islamic State do what they do with fast adherence to Qur’an and Sunnah guidance.
Take for example, the following details provided in sira and Islamic history.
In the wake of the death of the so-called prophet of Islam, when Abu Bakr, in essence, took the helm of the ummah, accepted their oath of allegiance to him; in the oath was the agreement, he would only lead by following, to the letter, guidance provided in the Qur’an and the Sunnah.
In other words, as the Islamic historical record asserts, he had to lead, just as his predecessor allegedly led his ummah: by “revelation,” and “revelation” only.
Therefore, the above.
Therefore, to insure that, also in that contractual agreement between two parties called the Bai’ah, was the duty of the entire ummah to hold their new leader to accountability: if he did right, as stated above– following the guidance of the Qur’an and Sunnah, to the letter–then follow and obey him. If he failed thereat, correct him.
What’s more, “Bid the fair, forbid the unfair” was a clearly an established Qur’anic command to every single believer. Thus, no one was safe, should one operate outside of Shariah, which was, in brief, Qur’an and Sunnah guidance.
Therefore, when Abu Bakr gave orders to all the commanders beneath his command, therein obligating them and their troops to follow those orders in dealing with the apostates that refused to return to submission and obedience to Islam, if those orders had been in conflict with Qur’an and Sunnah teaching, all those soldiers would have categorically rejected those orders.
But the Islamic historical account on that asserts, those order were followed “to the letter.”
And therein, is the on-the-record testimony of every breathing Muslim at that time, attesting, that punishing with fire is nothing more than Sunnah of the prophet, thus Sunnah of Abu Bakr, thus Sunnah of the ummah of the so-called prophet of war, “prophet of mercy.”
What’s more, it is clear, the actions the narrative relates, that transpired at the orders of Khaleefah Abu Bakr, in the prayer yard of Medinah, on the day in which Turayfah, on the orders of Abu Bakr, brought al-Fuja’ah before the Khaleefah for the offences perpetrated by al-Fufa’ah; those actions were simply, Abu Bakr implementing Shariah. The Khaleefah of the Messenger of Allah following the teachings in the Qur’an and the same derived from the words and deeds of the so-called prophet of Islam.
The narrative of the account provides, “[When] he [al-Fuja’ah] was brought to Abu Bakr he ordered a fire to be kindled with much firewood in the prayer yard (musalla) of Medinah and threw him, with arms and legs bound, into it.”
(The History of al-Tabari,. Vol. X, The Conquest of Arabia, Translated By Fred M. Donner, SUNY Press, 1993; pp. 79 -80.)
Another transmitter of the account relates it this way: “When the two of them approached Abu Bakr, he ordered Turayfah b. Hajiz to take him out to this clearing and burn him in it with fire. So Turayfah took him out to the prayer yard and kindled a fire for him and threw him into it.” (Ibid, P80-81.)
That was, as stated earlier, nothing more than Islam in action, understood, obey, and practiced.
Then, there is also the record of one salient example of one of the Abu Bakr dispatched Islamic Commanders following Abu Bakr’s orders on dealing with the apostates to Islam, that being, Commander Al-Qa ‘qa b. Amr, in what followed the defeat of the people of Buzakhah. With respect to that, these actions of the said commander follow, with the narrative of such reading this way:
In the above actions taken by Commander Al-Qa ‘qa b. Amr, he did nothing but follow the orders of Abu Bakr as those orders were articulated in the warning letter to the apostates. Therein, he promised, his commanders “…will not spare any one of them he can get mastery over, [but may] burn them with fire, slaughter them by any means….” (Ibid, P.57.)
Such were orders that were and are categorically in line with teachings of Qur’an and Sunnah.
Therefore, orders hearkened to and executed by all his commanders, as related in this example of the actions of Commander Kalid b. al-Walid:
Now follows, excerpts from the aforementioned letter of Abu Bakr, written to the apostates, wherein, he spelled out his orders to those beneath his command, providing clarity on how they were to deal with the unrepentant apostates. The record relates, “the letter to the apostate tribes of the Arabs were identical.”
There, we read as follows:
And thereof, the reliable regarded Islamic record relates, “Every Muslim Commander followed Abu Bakr’s instructions to the letter.”
(The Biography of ABU BAKR AS-SIDDEEQ, By Dr. ‘Ali Muhammad Muhhamad As-Sallaabee, Translated by Faisal Shafeeq, DARUSSALAM, Lebanon Printing, First Edition, 2007; P. 394. [Kalamullah.Com])
Punishing with fire prohibited in Islam? Indeed, just as praying five times a day likewise is.
As the last source cited above also provides, “Harshness was called for in dealing with such people, and harshness is what Abu Bakr delivered to them—both in terms of the contents of his letter and the brute force of his armies.” (Ibid, P. 385.)
And the selfsame can be said of the soldiers of Islamic State and their treatment towards those—especially so-called Muslims– that fight against them and their Khaleefah: “Harshness was called for in dealing with such people, and harshness is what Abu Bakr delivered to them….”
gp says
But many in Moaz al-Kasaesbeh’s town, 90 miles south of the capital Amman, are siding with his murderers.
-Looks like the King of Jordan needs to fly a bombing run over that town as well.
mortimer says
Sadly, the Muslims are very divided. Saudi Arabia created this monster, but they don’t know how to kill it.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, Saudi Arabia—horrific as they are—did not create this.
Muslims declaring each other Takfir and hence fair game to treat like Infidels has been implicit in Islam from the very beginning.
BC says
Your comment is just plain Homer Simpson. The report mentions two people and we have no figures as to how many there actually are. Yet you advocate bombing a city where most people are most likely against IS and support their king. Very smart move!
Mirren10 says
Well, *I* am not surprised. These people are beyond anything anyone normal would consider to be human. They are demons from hell.
Edgar Davidson says
So Jordanians love ISIS and hate ISIS at the same time. In fact, the phenomenum of Muslims managing to hold completely contradictory views of the same subject is remarkably widespread. They laud Osama bin Laden as the great Sheikh who brought America to its knees on 9/11, will telling you (if you mention Islamic terrorism) that 9/11 was actually a Mossad plot and that bin Laden was a Zionist agent (even while naming their children after him). And what is especially strange is that many Muslims seem – genuinely – to believe both viewpoints without even being aware of the contradiction. A full list of these contradictions is given here:
http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/just-in-case-you-thought-there-might-be.html
Jay Boo says
Then again, Islam may be just as much about ‘submission’ in search of a vain willfully ignorant face saving outlet — as it is about belief.
I wonder what percentage of non-Arabic speaking Muslims recite the Qur’an by rote in Arabic while not understanding a single word.
dlbrand says
Hey, Jay,
You stated, “I wonder what percentage of non-Arabic speaking Muslims recite the Qur’an by rote in Arabic while not understanding a single word.”
Reliable Tafsir provides doing just that is good, in fact, recitation of the text, needful, whether one understands what the are reciting or not.
But also, hand in hand with the obligatory recitation, is. studying the traditions of the so-called prophet, because, asserts Tafsir, it is only in the words, deeds, judgments, etc. of the “prophet” one gets true understanding of the words of the Qur’an.
gravenimage says
Many in Jordanian pilot’s home town side with the Islamic State
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Does this surprise anyone here? The Islamic State is imposing full Shari’ah law, so what does it matter if they burn a few Takfiris standing in their way along the way—even if they happen to be your own neighbor?
As so often with Muslims, Islam trumps any decency or conscience they might have had.
Baucent says
What is clear is that all these so called “moderate” Arab regimes, these “friends of the West”, are sitting upon time bombs of unrest and fundamentalism. Even in Saudi Arabia the House of Saud is not secure. The dictators have fallen, the next could be the Kings. So how smart is it to fill these countries with the latest military hardware which before long could be aimed at the those that provided it?
satch1 says
Basically a person is either religious or they have a holiness. Debate with yourself in which you belong and if you cannot decide read the Bible, not the Quran and the Holy Spirit can help you decide. It will not take but a few days to reach a conclusion and your whole eternity may lay in the balance of your choice. May I suggest the book of Jon, then Romans. Peace to All.
duh_swami says
Mahoundians, especially those in the ME, don’t necessarily like each other or trust each other. They may all be on the same page with Quran and sunnah, but they argue about global warming all the time. Global warming s more important to them than terrorism. Anyone who does not believe Allah is heating things up, is labeled taqfir, and dealt with the old fashion way…
R Cole says
The real story!!
It looked a bit staged – the Jordanian King who did not even speak Arabic when he took the reins – being the embodiment of pure Islam – valiantly defends his countrymen against those who adulterate Islam.
But there is a whole section of Jordan – who support IS – and say the hope IS takes over their area.
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They are all over there cowering!!
There has been at least one IS attack on the Saudi border.
And people of the region seem to want to invite IS in!!
The Saudis have to make laws to stop people from liking them – and clerics from speaking in their favor.
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The Akbar Wall
The Saudis spent all that money – teaching Muslims kids around the world this fundamentalist stuff – now they have to spend money on a wall to keep them out.