Hamas-linked terror org CAIR and the families of the victims, however, are insisting that Craig Hicks hates Muslims, and targeted his victims because they were Muslims. Maybe Karen Hicks is lying, but the Chapel Hill Police said the same thing, although now they’re backtracking a bit under all the pressure. In any case, why would Karen Hicks lie about this? Her husband is established as a murderer. He is already exposed as a vile, psychotic creep. It doesn’t make him look any better to have murdered three innocent people in cold blood over a parking space rather than because they were Muslims. Note also that Craig Hicks’ Facebook page shows no sign of his hating Muslims, and reveals him to have been a hard-Left supporter of the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Huffington Post, and the Ground Zero Mosque.
All this is worth noting in light of the fact that Hamas-linked CAIR and other Islamic supremacist groups always try to make use of “hate crimes” against Muslims to stifle examination of how jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism. This looks like yet another instance of their playing fast and loose with the facts to suit their political agenda.
“Families: Hate sparked Chapel Hill shooting, not parking issue,” WNCN, February 11, 2015 (thanks to Maged):
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. – The wife of a man accused of slaying three Muslims Tuesday afternoon in Chapel Hill insisted Wednesday that the killings were related to ongoing parking problems at the condominiums.
The father of the two women who were killed and of the man who were killed insisted, however, that Craig Stephen Hicks shot them because of their faith.
Deah Shaddy Barakat, 23, of Chapel Hill, Yusor Mohammad, 21, of Chapel Hill, and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, 19, of Raleigh, were shot to death Tuesday night at the Finley Forest Condominiums on Summerwalk Circle.
Hicks, 46, is charged with three counts of first-degree murder in a case that sent shock waves bolting through the Triangle and beyond. The events touched a sensitive nerve in the United States, with many taking to Twitter to say. Even in Washington, #ChapelHillShooting and`#MuslimLivesMatter was trending late Wednesday as the killings in a quiet corner of Chapel Hill sparked an intense national dialogue. And in Chapel Hill, the chancellors from UNC, N.C. State University and N.C. Central University all gathered for a vigil at The Pit on the Carolina campus.
But whether the killings were hate-driven was disputed by Karen Hicks, the wife of the man charged in the case. She held an emotional news conference Wednesday afternoon in which she expressed her shock at what happened and her sympathy for the families of the victims.
Hicks, like Chapel Hill Police earlier, insisted the killings were not related to the fact that the three were Muslims.
“I can say with absolute belief that this incident had nothing to do with religion of the victims’ faith, but it was related to a longstanding parking dispute that my husband had with the neighbors,” she said.
Hicks said she works full-time and her husband was taking classes at Durham Tech to become a paralegal.
“We were married for seven years,” Karen Hicks said. Treating all people with respect, she said, is “one thing I know about him. He often champions on his Facebook page for the rights of individuals. … He believes everyone is equal – doesn’t matter what you look like or who you are or what you believe.”
Her attorney, Robert Maitland II, insisted religion was not an issue and that Craig Hicks had tried to address parking problems in the Finley Forest neighborhood many times. He said the matter was over “a mundane” parking matter and said of the three killed, “Unfortunately, these victims were there at the wrong time at the wrong place.”
The attorney said the issue highlighted why there needs to be avenues to treat mental illness, but when asked if he was referring to any specific problems Craig Hicks had, said, “I’m not able to speak to that at this time.”
But the father of the two women, Mohammad Abu-Salha of Raleigh, said the killings were done “execution style” and that Hicks had been threatening before.
“A couple of weeks ago our daughter told us, ‘This man hates us. We don’t feel good about him,’ ” he said.
And Dr. Suzanne Barakat, the sister of Deah Barakat, expressed the family’s outrage over the murders.
“Six weeks ago I cried tears of joy at my brother’s wedding,” she said. “Today, we cry tears of pain at the execution-style murders.”
She called those who were killed “gems of their communities” who “left a lasting impression on the people around them.”
She also said the family asked that the government investigate their murders as a hate crime. For the moment, the United States government is not involved in the case as it plays out in the local jurisdictions.
“This is not a federal investigation yet,” said Ripley Rand, the federal prosecutor for the middle district of North Carolina.
The FBI said the Chapel Hill Police Department has requested its assistance “to process evidence in a triple homicide investigation.”
“It is standard practice for our state and local law enforcement partners to enlist the expertise and resources of the FBI as needed,” an FBI spokeswoman said.
Rand added that there was no evidence that there were any further threats to Muslims in North Carolina.
‘That’s how hate works’Chapel Hill police said Hicks was cooperating with the investigation while officers explored why he committed “such a senseless and tragic act.”
Mohammad Abu-Salha, the father of the two sisters, told WNCN that he believes the crime was motivated by hate.
“We’re holding strong. Our hearts are broken,” Abu-Salha said. “This is a hate crime and that’s how hate works.”
His feelings were echoed by the Council of American-Islamic Relations, who issued a statement Wednesday urging police to move swiftly on the matter.
“Based on the brutal nature of this crime, the past anti-religion statements of the alleged perpetrator, the religious attire of two of the victims, and the rising anti-Muslim rhetoric in American society, we urge state and federal law enforcement authorities to quickly address speculation of a possible bias motive in this case,” said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. “Our heartfelt condolences go to the families and loved ones of the victims and to the local community.”
Chapel Hill police Chief Chris Blue said his department understood the concerns and was working to determine if religious bias may have played a role in the three students’ deaths.
“We understand the concerns about the possibility that this was hate-motivated, and we will exhaust every lead to determine if that is the case,” Blue said. “Our thoughts are with the families and friends of these young people who lost their lives so needlessly.”…
shrugger says
Craig Hicks is a Leftist. He hates everyone equally. I suspect, himself most of all.
noellsq says
It is kind of unique CAIR jumping in. Three dead Muslims they hate us anyway and are very pushy. CAIR will probably start a march to insist it was a hate crime. But if the Muslim killed 3 people it wouldn’t be all right because the Quran says its all right
katnis says
And here come the massive muslim marches worldwide with fist pumping rants and shouts of “I told you so!” And then the so-called retaliation murders of 100+ non-muslims, namely white males.
Strange new world.
Jack Holan says
Sounds like this guy wasn’t balanced to begin with & the simple parking issue that he could not negotiate kept building and finally something probably unrelated set him off but the build up of frustration made these people his target. It does’t sound at all like a hate crime or he would have articulated it in his altercations. Recent hostility in the minds of Muslims because of News of Layla Mueller recapturing news of previous victims at the hands of IS and the Jordanian Lt horrid end to life CAIR need to work this event to play the race card. They always look like poor pathetic victims when they wear a habib. Now I just hear on the news about an incident to a Muslim during prayer as a prisoner.
Angemon says
No, no, no, no, no. Facts don’t matter, the narrative is set – the guy is anti-religion and the victims were muslims, therefore, according to CAIR, this was an islamophobic hate crime. And if Al Sharpton can make a living transforming pretty much everything in a racial matter, why shouldn’t CAIR do the same with religion? What are we, greasy islamophobes?
Angemon says
Where it reads
“And if Al Sharpton can make a living transforming pretty much everything in a racial matter,”
it should read:
“And if Al Sharpton can make a living transforming pretty much everything into a racial matter,”
Damn auto-corrector 😛
David says
You don’t execute 3 people in the head over a parking dispute. It was religiously motivated. The dispute was just the catalyst. The person has a well know and established public hate for Muslims.
But authorities don’t want repercussions so no doubt they tried to deflect the event away from religion because if they didn’t then American cities may burn. They still may burn. The way the whites treat the blacks is appalling and one day will cause American streets to run with blood. When it’s a white they always show leniency but when it’s a black they try and make out that it had nothing to do with race or religion. Pull the other one will you.
Whites can’t forever oppress blacks and not expect problems to increase. These events only create more tension and one day will explode.
I’m a white person but even I am ashamed at how American whites treat blacks.
I don’t consider white America as the saviour of mankind any more than I accept ISIS as representing true Islam. We need a new system based on justice not racism and Islamaphobia.
All the gun and arms money being made at the expense of keeping the wars and slaughter going is evident that the big powers are happy for these wars to continue endlessly as long as they can milk every drop of oil money through arms sales. China, Russsia US! France it’s all about arms money nothing else. Nobody cares about the 100,000’s killed as if they’re just a way to a hefty pay check.
Where are people of principle in the east or in the west?? People who try and stop these terrible wars and bring peace and prosperith to our world? Where are people who want peace or unity? It’s all just about$$ how loathe some.
Jay Boo says
See post below
Jay Boo says
David or Achmed or who ever you are
I will repost it for you here
If you wish to describe yourself just say you are a troll
I gets really tiring to see trolls say “I am a (fill in the blank with whatever works) to fit their diversion con job.
BTW You might wish to offer some of your concern for a non-Muslim who also wanted to aid Syria.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arizona-town-remembers-woman-killed-middle-east-28881616
pumbar says
I think you may need to look up the stats on black on black crime in the US and also both black on white and white on black crime. Go and read them and then come back with such a ridiculous post.
jay says
Please take your leftist racist garbage to Slate or Kos.
Bezelel says
@David, Yo man you should like chill with oppression rapp cuz it’s played out dude cuz everybody knows your tweakin when you should be twerkin, Have a nice day 🙂
Beagle says
Nearly everything in your post is wrongheaded. But one thing stands out. You clearly have not kept abreast of the many senseless road rage incidents in the United States. Cold-blooded murder with a firearm is, sadly, not that uncommon when things escalate.
I question your ability to psychically determine motive from the act of shooting.
Ultimately it is irrelevant. Whatever the motive it is first degree murder and punishable by death or life without parole. The crime of multiple first degree murders yields a sentence which cannot be enhanced.
wallace says
David, a little tip for when you are doing your trolling, try and pick a name thats not so sussy, i will help you out my “white
David, a little tip for you when you are at your trolling, pick a name a little less suss, i will help you out my “white” skinned friend. How about using Charlie Martell. Allah knows best though.
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wallace says
Bloody hell thats what i get , thats Allah mucking about with my laptop, Allah is oft forgiving but also a bit of a gobshite
David, a little tip for you when you are at your trolling, pick a name a little less suss, i will help you out my “white” skinned friend. How about using Charlie Martell. Allah knows best though.
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Rob Crawford says
You loathe how blacks are treated? Yeah, coddling them, subsidizing their dysfunctions, letting them literally get away with murder, and never holding them to any standards is pretty despicable.
You are right that the facts won’t matter; Muslims have apparently decided they’re victims because they’re Muslims. They should head back to countries that practice shariah, so they can feel safer.
Angemon says
David posted:
“You don’t execute 3 people in the head over a parking dispute.”
Actually, people have been killed for less.
“It was religiously motivated. The dispute was just the catalyst.”
And you say that despite all evidence to the contrary? Why?
“The person has a well know and established public hate for Muslims.”
Prove it. The guys claimed to be anti-religious but only attacked Christianity and Judaism.
“But authorities don’t want repercussions so no doubt they tried to deflect the event away from religion because if they didn’t then American cities may burn.”
The narrative David is trying to push is that authorities are covering the “real” motive of the crime to prevent muslims from rioting. That implies that islam is not a religion of peace and that being a muslim and being american is mutually exclusive – of course, I doubt David thought all the way through before typing that.
“They still may burn. The way the whites treat the blacks is appalling and one day will cause American streets to run with blood.”
I don’t think anyone here needed another reminder that you’re not to be taken seriously, but ok. David, are you thinking of 21st century America or 18th century America?
“When it’s a white they always show leniency but when it’s a black they try and make out that it had nothing to do with race or religion. Pull the other one will you.”
Actually, YOU pull the other one. If there’s some sort of discrimination it’s usually in favour of black people – remember the OJ Simpson trial? Factual evidence was overlooked because one of the cops was deemed to be racist, and for that a murderer got away scot-free. How about the riots in Ferguson and the attempted public lynching of the police officer involved? What happened to all the people who LIED about the incident and claimed the officer shot the criminal in the back, or when he had his hands up, or whatever the latest “official narrative was?
“Whites can’t forever oppress blacks and not expect problems to increase. These events only create more tension and one day will explode.”
The problems start with the so-called “leaders” or the black community, like Al Sharpton, who don’t miss a chance to pounce at any given tragedy and present it as being racially motivated.
“I’m a white person but even I am ashamed at how American whites treat blacks.”
Once again, are you thinking of 21st century America or 18th century America?
“I don’t consider white America as the saviour of mankind any more than I accept ISIS as representing true Islam.”
Then again, you consider a 7th highway robber, pedophile rapist to be a good example of conduct.
“We need a new system based on justice not racism and Islamaphobia.”
There’s no “islamophobia” in the US. If anything, there’s islamophobiaphobia – the phobia of islamophobia.
“All the gun and arms money being made at the expense of keeping the wars and slaughter going is evident that the big powers are happy for these wars to continue endlessly as long as they can milk every drop of oil money through arms sales. China, Russsia US! France it’s all about arms money nothing else. Nobody cares about the 100,000’s killed as if they’re just a way to a hefty pay check.”
Because weapon sellers are responsible for solving internal affairs of other countries, right? And because if weapon sellers stopped selling weapons people would stop fighting, right?
“Where are people of principle in the east or in the west?? People who try and stop these terrible wars and bring peace and prosperith to our world? Where are people who want peace or unity? It’s all just about$$ how loathe some.”
Certainly not in the islamic world – according to islamic orthodoxy, the only way to have peace is to have the whole world dominated by islam. And if history proves one thing is that, given enough of them, muslims don’t get along with anyone, especially with other muslims.
Demsci says
angemon, I like to let you know I like and support your posts vey much and consider you a good ally, if I may.
Angemon says
Thank you, Demsci, I appreciate the vote of trust.
Demsci says
It’s hard in a few words, but I like to give a historical and worldwide context to what you say.
What you complain about is not necessarily untrue. But how do you think any victim feels, including pray animals? as an evolution-thinker I think that violence of predators on preys has been going on for about 400 million years. And when early man beat his predators, then he still used violence against his fellow man. In written history it seems actually a better situation than before it and with a lower percentage of casualties of humans killed by humans.
Then IN history; well, Stephen Pinker and others showed us that violence of humans on humans was decreasing as percentage of perpetrators and victims of the population during civilization times. Yes, even when we take into concideration the 2 worldwars. Because what people often do not count is the huge and INCREASING percentate of survivors, due to an explosion of mankind’s numbers. Why don’t people count the massive numbers of UNHURT peoples, which so much more increased than the hurt ones? Because of perfectionism, black and white thinking?!
So what you describe, David, are people involved in mechanisms that are very OLD, and diminishing, percentagewise. Mankind seems to be moving in the right, peaceful direction, and the staggering and ongoing improvement in average human longevity should be your first clue.
Secondly I like to remind you that governments, and especially Western, Democratic ones, do have a spectacularly successful record in improving the conditions of mankind. and an honest accountant would not just point to the creditside but also to the debitside of what governments intend and do. and of course to the aggregate. and THIS in comparison with all present and past governments.
Not to do so, would make you a neglector of historic evidence. unless you can prove mankind had a better fate in the past (as ample evidence can be found that mankind dit have a worse fate, with worse governments and powerful elites in the past).
And not to do so also places you in risk of being called measuring with two yardsticks, if you neglect to mention the equally bad or worse humans aside from the ones you do mention, I mean mentioning the OTHER governments and elites, for whom also exists plenty of evidence of bad, even worse, behavior.
My point is, what you point out might be accurate, but A. it was worse in the past (and also in nature) and B. it still is as bad/ or worse among many other humans. and C. The criticized governments also do so much GOOD, and on aggregate may do more good than bad.
Please consider this.
Demsci says
“//I’m a white person but even I am ashamed at how American whites treat blacks’//
And still they don’t go back to Africa! Instead, more of them go TO America! Look at Obama;s father.
Look, David, the blacks in America proliferate, are not wiped out exactly. The whites ALSO treat them well, and you should notice the aggregate, not just the creditside.
The whites also treat other whites bad (yes, white (and black) officers also shoot white victims), and the blacks also treat other blacks bad (black robbers do not exempt black victims).
And yes, in the past it was much, much worse, but does that not give you the hope that in future it will be better than now? If so, why so perfectionistic and impatient?
voegelinian says
“The person has a well know and established public hate for Muslims.”
Do you have proof for this pivotal claim?
Jack Holan says
When a Muslim murders or murders in a heinous way such as beheading the infidel, mows the person down with a car or shoots the non-Muslim; there is a rush by CAIR, The President, local Muslims and law enforcement that it was not a hate crime. Even Major Nidal shooting soldiers and shouting Alu Akbar and in communication with an Al Quaida Imam for tactical & Spiritual advice the President & Generals called it work place violence. Authorities in the US and Canada have bent over backwards to shelter Muslims from the blame of these terrorist acts. Yet the evidence has almost always led back to Muslims. Just as in the case of many Muslims they claim that they were crazy this guy really is crazy. I don’t believe it had any thing to do with their religion because it would be easy to select someone at random with less chance to get caught. If he has no history of making remarks as all his neighbors and family claim you don’t have a case.
Hansel says
So wen a muslim is shot it’s a hate crime but wen a muslim kills someone its workplace violence
Way to go USA ur gonna become another iraq very soon
It’s good ur encourage those who slaughter ur. Brothers in their country
David says
If 3 white people are shot in the head tomorrow by a Muslim over a parking dispute and the person has a Facebook page attacking western governments you think the police will say it wasn’t religiously motivated??
The press will call it terrorism on every front page? More Islamaphobia will be deliberately created leading to more hatred.
I’m not a Muslim never was never will be but I believe in honesty and truthfulness as a Baha’i. I see that as a clearly religiously motivated crime. He wouldn’t have such a disrespect for their lives if not for his hate for Muslims.
He deserves the death penalty.
kepha says
How do we know these Muslms weren’t white themselves? There are scads of folks from Bosnia and even into Eastern Turkistan whom the anthropologists of yesteryear would classify as “white”.
Then again, in the majority-minority schools where I teach, a veteran German-born teacher mentioned that once, when her students were bad-mouthing white people, she said, “Wait a minute, I’m white!” and got the reply, “No, you’re not–you’re German.”
Angemon says
David posted:
“If 3 white people are shot in the head tomorrow by a Muslim over a parking dispute and the person has a Facebook page attacking western governments you think the police will say it wasn’t religiously motivated??”
Remember Malik Hasan killing non-muslims in a religiously motivated attack? It was deemed “workplace violence”. Remember the attacks in France and Australia perpetrated by “allahu ackbar” shouting muslims? How many of those were blamed on “mental illness” as opposed to religion?
“The press will call it terrorism on every front page? More Islamaphobia will be deliberately created leading to more hatred.”
The press go out of their way to expurge mentions of islam from news about terrorism. How can you create “islamophobia” when there’s no mention of islam or muslims?
“I’m not a Muslim never was never will be but I believe in honesty and truthfulness as a Baha’i.”
Going by your posting history, you don’t practice what you believe – remember when you accused JW of being “racist” and “bigoted” for quoting ahadith and you ended up admitting you knew that most muslims worldwide believe those ahadith?
“I see that as a clearly religiously motivated crime.”
Then not only you’re wrong, you also don’t know the meaning of the word “clearly”.
“He wouldn’t have such a disrespect for their lives if not for his hate for Muslims.”
An alleged “hate” that has yet to be proved by anyone, including CAIR.
“He deserves the death penalty.”
Because he killed 3 people or because the people he killed were muslims?
Demsci says
//”He wouldn’t have such a disrespect for their lives if not for his hate for Muslims.”//
I see. But look, with what did he then motivate his murderous act? Certainly not with shouting “Darwin-u-akbar” and not with quoting, then or afterwards, from his “holy texts” or any “atheist texts” or quotations of atheist leaders.
And that is present many times when Muslims kill or “misbehave”. You see, it is the religion in connections with followers follow it’s commands that we attack here, but you do not have such a case here. His hate was not justified by any “holy texts”.
Demsci says
But David, you or Muslims and defenders might try the way of showing GOOD INFLUENCE of Islam, which ostensibly prevents Muslims to kill, whereas Atheism does not prevent such kills as in this case. I for one would be open for evidence of good lifesaving influence of Islam and open to consider the aggregate of good and bad influence of islam on followers.
But mankind hardly seems to hear of good influence of Islam. except maybe in vague terms.
Whereas by now mountains of evidence and cluse of bad influence on Islam has been shown on this website, and most of it was coming from neutral of Islamic sources AND texts AND interpretations of those texts.
Demsci says
Correction; mountains of evidence of bad influence OF ISLAM ON followers has been shown on this website
Blitz2b says
White skinned David,
I question your motives because Bahai’s are shameless, despite being targeted and killed by Muslims the world over, the following is still the opinion of the Baha’i religion on Mohammed the prophet of Islam…
“…In The Promised Day Is Come1, Shoghi Effendi writes of the attitude of the Baha’i Faith towards Islam, from which the following excerpt is taken:
As to Muhammad, the Apostle of God, let none among His followers who read these pages, think for a moment that Islam, or its Prophet, or His Book, or His appointed Successors, or any of His authentic teachings, have been, or are to be in any way, or to however slight a degree, disparaged…..”
So what difference does it make if you say that you are not a Muslim? Your religion still considers the con- artist Mohammed to be a prophet.
voegelinian says
“David” must be from the planet Neptune, where the mass media there actually report that Muslim violence is Islamic and name the perpetrators as Muslims who did it for Islamic reasons — unlike the planet Earth where every time a Muslim kills some Kafir (London, Australia, Canada, et fucking cetera) the mainstream news media (and all our politicians and “expert analysts”) fall all over themselves saying “this has nothing to do with Islam”.
David, please tell us about Neptune. I’ve always wanted to visit…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
““David” must be from the planet Neptune”
I, for one, don’t spend the majority of my time here attacking and deriding counter-jihadis and, as such, know what David posted elsewhere, and can factor that when giving him a proper reply – one that rebukes what he says and is not rooted on his apocryphal geographic location.
Jack Holan says
You just added an element of motive derogatory postings on FB It isn’t the same
Kepha says
David, this guy deserves the death penalty for killing three human beings–whether Muslim or not– over a f**king parking space.
If the report is true, the perp strikes me as village-atheist-in-Bible-belt meets townhouse/apartment complex neighbor-from-Hell.
Jay Boo says
David or Achmed or who ever you are
If you wish to describe yourself just say you are a troll
I gets really tiring to see trolls say “I am a (fill in the blank with whatever works) to fit their diversion con job.
BTW You might wish to offer some of your concern for a non-Muslim who also wanted to aid Syria.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/arizona-town-remembers-woman-killed-middle-east-28881616
jay says
Doesn’t matter, he killed Muslims therefor he is a racist and proves all white people hate Muslims and Muslims are ever present victims. Didn’t you know Muslims never get killed for any reason other than for being peaceful charitable Muslims?
Rob says
They weren’t Muslims anyway.
Just a ‘bunch of folks’.
I’m not an American but I am so OVER this messianic, waffler Obama.
JamesonRocks says
Hmmm… A condo complex in a university town… Someone has a cellphone video of this event. Just a matter of time until that person comes forward.
duh_swami says
These murders had nothing to do with Islam…This was ‘condominium violence’.. common in America or where ever condominiums exist….
Without an admission of Islamo-hate as a motive, there was none….
Nicu says
So this time it’s the other way around … so they know how it feels …. and I bet they will beg for money for their loss …
What goes around comes around …
Haold Smith says
Hate crime laws are the first step in making unaccepted thought a crime. Anyone that murders someone has hate in their heart . The act should be punished not the reasoning behind it. Freedom of thought and belief are central to a free society.
Lioness says
TV networks practically tripping over each other trying to portray this as crime against muslims. It’s going to be a feast for leftists and muslims crying Islamophobia for a long time. What an opportunity! Never mind that murders such as this occur everywhere and all the time, and no one devotes any air time to them, particularly if it’s muslims doing the killings, such as them murdering their wives or daughters. Of course when Nidal Hassan killed his fellow soldiers shouting Allah Akbar, it was only “workplace violence”.
BC says
It seems to be quite common for US citizens to sort out ‘problems’ with guns!
Bezelel says
Don’t knock it if you ain’t tried it.
joseph e. says
Why is it that when a Muslim kills someone he hates it is called “Terrorism” but when a non-Muslim kills a Muslim it is called “Hate”?
Just curious?
Mirren10 says
”Why is it that when a Muslim kills someone he hates it is called “Terrorism” but when a non-Muslim kills a Muslim it is called “Hate”?”
Hmmm. Might it have something to do with the fact that when a muslim murders unbelievers, it is invariably accompanied by shrieks of ‘allahu akbar’ and/or quotes from koran and hadith ?
I don’t *think* this evil scumbag Hicks was shrieking ‘Jesus is greater’, or quoting from the New Testament when he murdered these people … but if you know differently, do tell.
mervo says
The marketing/media strategy of CAIR and Isalm is as followed;
You talk bad about, kill, disagree with a Muslim- “YOUR ISLAMAPHOBIC!”
Muslim kills ANYONE, “This is not islam, we are peaceful.”
Johnny Canuck says
Is it possible that the three Muslims who were shot continued to park in Hicks’s spot despite repeated pleas and warnings not to do so? This does not exonerate Hicks, but it does say something about Muslim arrogance–as Allah’s chosen people they believe they are entitled to everything, including another person’s parking stall.
voegelinian says
Given that, by the information we have of his Facebook page and the description by his wife, Hicks was a Leftist (which is a category even worse than PC MC), one reasonably concludes that either Hicks was severely psychologically impaired (beyond the normative psychological impairment that is already baseline for every Leftist); or one reasonably concludes that these Muslims were markedly misbehaving — enough to set off a Leftist ordinarily (by virtue of being a Leftist) predisposed to bend over backwards to respect Muslims for being “ethnic” and cultural representatives of “the Other”.
I.e.: These Muslims must have been really arrogant and abusive to rouse the murderous anger of a Leftist atheist who would be much more likely to lash out against white Christians (if not also Jews).
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“one reasonably concludes that either Hicks was severely psychologically impaired (beyond the normative psychological impairment that is already baseline for every Leftist); or one reasonably concludes that these Muslims were markedly misbehaving — enough to set off a Leftist ordinarily (by virtue of being a Leftist) predisposed to bend over backwards to respect Muslims for being “ethnic” and cultural representatives of “the Other”.
I.e.: These Muslims must have been really arrogant and abusive to rouse the murderous anger of a Leftist atheist who would be much more likely to lash out against white Christians (if not also Jews).”
How are you so sure that it’s the later rather than the former?
Bezelel says
The facebook/ twitters of the male victim have been found to have a lot of anti israel material, so he wasn’t the kindly “moderate” anymore than trayvon was or mike brown. The muslims may have been doing their supremacist act on him and he flipped out. That’s not an excuse but a realistic scenario.
Mulakush says
Let us say that I agree with CAIR in that this was a hate crime.
But I don’t stop there.
It was a hate crime about improper parking.
The guy is easily aggravated. He is poorly balanced mentally.
Mentally unstable people some times kill others and even themselves.
We have loads of psychiatric wards to prove this.
If Muslim leaders disagree with my current assessment of this situation, let them make the most of it. Only more evidence will make me budge from my statement.
Isabellathecrusader says
I remember a Muslims plowing through a group of people with his SUV in Chapel Hill, NC a few years back.
Hmmm…I wonder if that was a hate crime? Huh Jihad Nihad?