Non-Muslims may be worried and afraid because of jihad terror, but that doesn’t bother the President: he is busy fostering the Islamic supremacist victimhood narrative so indefatigably furthered by groups like the Hamas-linked terror org CAIR.
Comments interspersed below. “President Obama: Our fight against violent extremism,” by Barack Obama, Los Angeles Times, February 18, 2015:
…In the face of this challenge, we must stand united internationally and here at home. We know that military force alone cannot solve this problem. Nor can we simply take out terrorists who kill innocent civilians. We also have to confront the violent extremists — the propagandists, recruiters and enablers — who may not directly engage in terrorist acts themselves, but who radicalize, recruit and incite others to do so.
Hollow verbiage. He cannot and will not take on the “propagandists, recruiters and enablers,” because he refuses to speak honestly about how and on what basis they propagandize, recruit, and enable.
This week, we’ll take an important step forward as governments, civil society groups and community leaders from more than 60 nations gather in Washington for a global summit on countering violent extremism. Our focus will be on empowering local communities.
Groups like al Qaeda and ISIL promote a twisted interpretation of religion that is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims. The world must continue to lift up the voices of Muslim clerics and scholars who teach the true peaceful nature of Islam. We can echo the testimonies of former extremists who know how terrorists betray Islam. We can help Muslim entrepreneurs and youths work with the private sector to develop social media tools to counter extremist narratives on the Internet.
Our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds.
This is his unquestioned and unquestionable dogma. He refuses to acknowledge that jihadis gain recruits among peaceful Muslims by presenting themselves as the authentic exponents of Islam, and citing the Qur’an and Sunnah to make their case. He is placing his trust, and the security of the United States and the West, on this “overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims,” despite the fact that we never, ever see them doing anything to stop the jihadis, and the fact that there are no programs in any mosque anywhere to teach against the understanding of Islam represented by al Qaeda and the Islamic State, and the fact that in recent weeks we saw hundreds of thousands of Muslims around the world protesting against cartoons of Muhammad, but nary a single Muslim demonstration anywhere in favor of the freedom of speech. This overwhelming majority of Muslims on which Obama is betting our future condemns the Islamic State, but isn’t doing anything to stop it.
We know from experience that the best way to protect people, especially young people, from falling into the grip of violent extremists is the support of their family, friends, teachers and faith leaders. At this week’s summit, community leaders from Los Angeles, Minneapolis and Boston will highlight innovative partnerships in their cities that are helping empower communities to protect their loved ones from extremist ideologies.
More broadly, groups like al Qaeda and ISIL exploit the anger that festers when people feel that injustice and corruption leave them with no chance of improving their lives. The world has to offer today’s youth something better.
Here again we see the idiotic assumption that if we give a jihadi a job at McDonald’s he will lay down his rifle and give up his noble jihad for the sake of Allah. This just means that more American taxpayer billions will be sent to Muslim countries, and like the billions that have gone before them, do nothing to end jihad terror.
Governments that deny human rights play into the hands of extremists who claim that violence is the only way to achieve change. Efforts to counter violent extremism will only succeed if citizens can address legitimate grievances through the democratic process and express themselves through strong civil societies. Those efforts must be matched by economic, educational and entrepreneurial development so people have hope for a life of dignity.
Exactly what legitimate grievances does the Islamic State have, and what concessions does Obama propose to make to it in order to redress them?
Finally — with al Qaeda and ISIL peddling the lie that the United States is at war with Islam — all of us have a role to play by upholding the pluralistic values that define us as Americans. This week, we’ll be joined by people of many faiths, including Muslim Americans who make extraordinary contributions to our country every day. It’s a reminder that America is successful because we welcome people of all faiths and backgrounds.
They say that Islam is at war with the United States. In response, Obama is saying it isn’t. Very well. But what steps is he taking to make sure that no Muslims in the United States believe themselves to be part of this war? Any at all?
That pluralism has at times been threatened by hateful ideologies and individuals from various religions. We’ve seen tragic killings at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012 and at a Jewish community center in Kansas last year.
We do not yet know why three young people, who were Muslim Americans, were brutally killed in Chapel Hill, N.C.
Yes we do. It’s just that the answer is inconvenient for Obama and doesn’t suit his agenda, or that of Islamic supremacist groups in the U.S.
But we know that many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid.
What about the non-Muslims worried and afraid about jihad terror attacks? Do they count at all?
Americans of all faiths and backgrounds must continue to stand united with a community in mourning and insist that no one should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.
Our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds. With this week’s summit, we’ll show once more that — unlike terrorists who only offer misery and death — it is our free societies and diverse communities that offer the true path to opportunity, justice and dignity.
We’ve been trying to win hearts and minds for years in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a failed approach. It will fail yet again.
DhimmiNot says
Obama used the oft-quoted” Qur’an verse: “don’t kill innocents”.
But what is an “innocent” and who decides if someone is innocent.
AnneM says
Wow, we have fast typers here! 🙂
David says
Hate preachers need to be culled and deported. The Freedom of Speech laws should not include freedom to radicalise.
The extremist versions of Islam being taught must be banned worldwide in Mosques and literature. Punishments and imprisonment should be meted out for teaching extremism resulting in hatred and violence.
The ‘oneness and equality’ of all humanity and the oneness and equality of all religions should be taught in all the schools of the world so that people see each other as equals and their respective faiths as having come from the same God with nine of them superior to the other.
Moderation in all things should also be taught worldwide along with tolerance and prejudice should be strongly discouraged publicly against any race, religion or colour.
That the corruption and perversion of the Quran’s meanings, taught by extremists be exposed worldwide to show that those being taught to be violent are acting against the Quran.
That the true origin of Hadiths be certified and verified and if they cannot be verified by the Quran be rendered invalid. The only authority that can invalidate Hadiths is the Quran. All Hadiths must be held up against the touchstone of the Quran and those which speak contrary to the Word of God ought to be rejected as Hadiths are not the Word of God but sayings and heresay.
Joseph says
Spoken like a Muslim?? AM I CORRECT???
Wellington says
Go to Hell, David. You’re either a fool who really believes the rot you spew or you are an active deceiver. Either way, you’re of no use to those who really prize liberty. Get lost.
mortimer says
‘David’ IS LOST! He is a Koran-only man! They are the most lost and most SUBJECTIVE of all Muslims. They have no way to interpret the meaningless, unhistoric hate-BLATHER in the confused babble of the Koran! Dave doesn’t have a clue how lost he is. He lives in subjectivity! The Koran without interpretation and a history is without value. Once the historic Mohammed is wiped away, all that remains is the evil, vicious caliphs and their even more unspeakable generals! They created Islam in their own likeness. Caliph Abd al-Malik claimed that he wrote the Koran! A horrible confession! But by the caliph!
There is no help from VIOLENCE and DEPRAVITY in the unspecified, uncontextualized Koran.
Dave, you need to start reading Robert Spencer’s writings! Read ‘Did Mohammed Exist’ by Robert Spencer. Islam has no historicity.
Champ says
Sigh, David is another lost cause serving an evil cause: islam.
gravenimage says
David wrote:
The extremist versions of Islam being taught must be banned worldwide in Mosques and literature. Punishments and imprisonment should be meted out for teaching extremism resulting in hatred and violence.
The ‘oneness and equality’ of all humanity and the oneness and equality of all religions should be taught in all the schools of the world so that people see each other as equals and their respective faiths as having come from the same God with nine of them superior to the other.
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In other words, all the schools in the world should be forced to teach the bowdlerized version of Islam pushed by the Baha’i.
David has posted here before, claiming that the baleful Qur’an is entirely peaceful and that the foul “Prophet” never acted violently.
Never mind that Muslims hate the Baha’i for this interpretation, and so oppress and murder them worldwide.
David reluctantly admitted that *actual Muslims* don’t use these peaceful interpretations—that doesn’t prevent him from carrying water for Islam by falsely whitewashing it, though.
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That the corruption and perversion of the Quran’s meanings, taught by extremists be exposed worldwide to show that those being taught to be violent are acting against the Quran.
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“Acting against the Qur’an”—only as interpreted by the tiny, marginalized Baha’i…
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That the true origin of Hadiths be certified and verified and if they cannot be verified by the Quran be rendered invalid. The only authority that can invalidate Hadiths is the Quran. All Hadiths must be held up against the touchstone of the Quran and those which speak contrary to the Word of God ought to be rejected as Hadiths are not the Word of God but sayings and heresay.
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As with the rest of the above, very few *actual Muslims* considers the Hadith invalid. Moreover, the Qur’an and Sira—the life of Muhammed—are so vicious that Islam would scarcely be less violent even if the Hadith were somehow deemed invalid.
Demsci says
well, David, inciting to violence is crossing the red line, but inciting to hatred is not.That could be used against us. Protection of hurt feelings is not a democratic right, while protections of bodies is.
David, in your post you IMPLIED that the combined Quran-Sunnah allows for more than one valid interpretation of key ethical and political issues. and that right there means to me that Quran-Sunnah are too AVIO (Ambiguous Vague Incomplete Obsolete). For which self-confessed Muslims or at least their leaders should be held accountable.
And if you mean with radicalized and extremists versions (interpretations) of Islam those that are totalitarian, fascist theocratic, then I agree with you that the supporters of that must be banned, deported or somehow dealt with effectively, because the constitution is not a suicide pact and we mean to be real intolerant to the intolerant.
If you care to name the organisation that indeed outlaws anti-democratic, human-rights-violating interpretations of the Sunnah AND the Quran, then we would urge that organisation to choose and publish it’s tenets, completely, to the world.
Declaring that members will be ejected when they stray from the tenets of that Organisation. Which perhaps is the “Quran-Only-organisations”, which then would be the Islamic organisation which built more trust than the other Islamic organisations. It depends on the tenets and (r)ejection of totalitarian Muslims from it’s group in a clear and unequivocal way.
RonaldB says
“Declaring that members will be ejected when they stray from the tenets of that Organisation. Which perhaps is the “Quran-Only-organisations””
Demsci,
Just so you are aware, the solution that David proposes: have an approved version of the teachings of the Koran, and ban other versions. This structure exactly mirrors the structure of the Baha’i church, which has an unelected, unaccountable, secret head council that makes and enforces church dogma, and simply drops from membership any Baha’i that makes too many waves, questions their authority, or publishes any information they consider to be detrimental.
In other words, the Baha’i’s are the usual, thought-controlling, control-freak cult. They are peaceful, though, and present no threats to non-Bahai’s. And the only threat they present to Baha’i members is the possibility of being left out in the cold with alienated friends and family. They build beautiful houses of worship, and are very welcoming to visitors.
Demsci says
Thanks RonaldB, for this and your other good informative posts.
For me it is not a question of banning “negative deviations” among Muslims , but of requests from Democratic Politicians for Muslims to declare they now have a valid interpretation of Quran-Sunnah, that is compatible with our constitution and our laws. And declaring the existence of “democratic Islam” with a clear leadership and membership-conditions.
So that among Muslims “positive deviations” stand out. Who will throw Totalitarian Theocratic anti-Democratic Muslims out of “Democratic Islam”. So that Democratic people finally can distinguish between democratic Muslims, like Mayor Aboutaleb, and totalitarian Muslims.
At least such logic should be presented to the Muslims by the Westerners. Who should explain that due their own most binding but incomplete and ambiguous texts, which are massively misused, the Muslims lose much trustworthyness.
silvergreycat says
David Wood tells more about sura 5/verse 32… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9c48NtdvKY
jihad3tracker says
Hello Silvergreycat —-
I am glad you mentioned the wonderful David Wood, an expert on the Qur’an and Hadith.
His blog ( http://www.answeringmuslims.com ) is more “low key” than Jihad Watch, with less frequent posts, but everything he writes is 100% grounded in FACTS, and many of the items are related to his deeply committed faith.
HE ALSO MAKES SUPERB VIDEOS — MANY OF THEM on a variety of subjects within what we could call Islam versus Christianity.
Try “Three Stages of Jihad” for an excellent start — with his impish sense of dark humor. If you do read some of his posts, please send a short note of appreciation. I always do when I visit his blog . . .
A truly nice guy, and like Spencer and Geller, risking his personal safety.
cs says
I really like his videos, he is superb debating. I was weary at the beginning as I was expecting a closed minded Christian fundamentalist, but in reality he has a degree in philosophy and he is very articulated. Hits home every time. I learned a lot from his videos.
TheRealist says
I look what is happening in EU ,with the same mentality Obama has , and I am worried and afraid !
Francis Merde says
“Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.”
He quoted (Koran 5:32)Take a look at the verse directly following it.
“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,”
(Koran 5:33)
Catch-22 only Muslims can be innocent. Surprise, surprise.
cs says
At the comments section no one is buying this crap though.
Alissa says
Crap is right. It should say Many Non-Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid…. of Muslims.
cs says
But Obama really don’t care about Americas, the Muslims votes are more important it seems.
AnneM says
How ironic, a few days after 21 Christians were put to death by ISIS/Islamofacists.
Wellington says
Obama is an utterly clueless man. Make little difference if he is a Muslim in disguise or some kind of mushy, ill-informed Christian or (wouldn’t be surprising) thinks all religions are basically the same. Regardless, he is an utterly clueless man—–and not just about Islam but about so many things. He represents anti-knowledge in the flesh. He is simply awful.
Doglicka says
This post is disturbing; really disturbing.
Clueless? I would add willfully so. But he just sounds like many other profoundly clueless Americans that comment on you tube and other sites. I used to think that it must’ve just been children that were commenting all the time.
But it isn’t is it? It’s just ignoramus’ with a left-wing cancer and PC blinkers.
How will the world survive another 2 years with this ignoramus in the Presidents chair?
P.S
I know ALL Americans aren’t clueless ofcourse, it’s just that your leftists seem more ‘afflicted’ than other leftists.
Champ says
Yes–I completely agree with you about obama, Wellington. And any time I hear, or read, something obama’s said it’s like nails on a chalkboard ’cause he drives me crazy.
sound awake says
thats why hes “standing with them” because the “political winds are “blowing in an ugly direction” against them now…hes just keeping a campaign promise…thats all…
Angemon says
Why? Are they under investigation for links to terror groups?
Don McKellar says
WORRIED AND AFRAID? Really, Mr. Obama. What are they worried and afraid about? Are they worried and afraid about having to fake more “Islamophobia” attacks as are so comprehensively documented and debunked on Jihad Watch? Are they worried they’re going to have to ramp up the vitctimhood claims to the mainstream media that just isn’t true? Or are they worried about something REAL — as in worried about their FELLOW MOSLEMS getting serious and devout about their religion and then murdering them for being soft on the infidels, or making friends with them? Or honor killing them if they’re daughters of a devout moslem — like we see so, so many news stories about. Or are they just plain worried and afraid that their son or daughter is going to run off and join ISIS if they can?
YES, MR. OBAMA, THEY HAVE A LOT TO BE WORRIED AND AFRAID ABOUT — JUST NOT ANYTHING YOU ARE TRYING TO CLAIM THEY ARE WORRIED AND AFRAID ABOUT.
MKG says
Right on target. Well said.
Rickfidel says
NO, I think Obama knows exactly what he’s doing. He pretends to be concerned about the ills of “extremism” but will not call it what it is by design. He want’s the cause of Islam to grow as he has touted many times this “great religion” must not be stopped, and the prophet must not be mocked. He has sided with the extreme elements of Islam over and over again to the end goal of bringing America down to it’s rightful place in the world.
Marco says
He’s criminally insane.
katnis says
I’m shaking my head as I read Obama’s words that reflect his continued soft spot for islam. I am more impressed by the strong words and actions taken by Saudi and Jordanian leaders.
Many religions and ideologies have gone through reformations. I like the suggestion of a reformation of islam. Perhaps a reformed islam (minus the calls for murder, violence, terror, the destruction of the human spirit, rape, beatings, etc.) would be an appropriate solution for a “religion” that wants to “mix with” (I said MIX WITH – not DOMINATE) the western world.
In the meantime, I think Mr. President is trying to maintain some peace on the streets / avoid the reality that jihad is already happening on our streets.
FarmerMike says
I’m thinking the best single action we can take is to send a letter to any reality-based CongressPeople we have, urging them to impeach Obama. And put an “Impeach Obama” bumper sticker on our car.
David says
The Quran never taught violence except against groups acting like ISIS at that time. At the time Muhammad appeared there were groups similar to ISIS. Muhammad was attacked by them continually. Eventually he ordered Muslims to defend themselves and eliminate them if they did not cease their violence. Also some groups formed peace treaties then acted treacherously against the Muslims.
We are talking here about child killers, mass rapists, mass murderers and slave traders. Muhammad tried to civilise them but they rejected His Message. There were no jails, prisons, police or courts to protect society at the time from these people. They had to change or be killed. They had to be dealt with. To allow them to roam freely would be tantamount to allowing ISIS free reign in this age.
The Quran was a system of laws for a barbaric age and that age has passed and Baha’u’llah has come and abrogated the Quran and brought a new Book for this new age of world unity and world brotherhood called the Most Holy Book.
The age of Islam as a spiritual and uniting force is ended for all to see and witness. But the Quran was never wrong for its age however it cannot be a remedy for a nuclear age and so has been superseded and prophecies in the Quran speak of this.
Muhammad was only the last Prophet of the Adamic or Prophetic Cycle not the last Prophet that would ever come. That is a grave misinterpretation by Muslims especially when their Quran says the opposite.
We shouldn’t just attack for the sake of attacking but open mindedly look at who is promoting these extremists views and which age the Quran was revealed in. There were no jails, courts, police, constitution so where would you put repeat offenders? Repeat child killers? You crucified them or dis enabled them permanently to protect other innocent children from being raped and killed. Unless one understands this one can have a very narrow bigoted interpretation of Islam based merely upon prejudice and hatred.
The Bahais are amongst the most peaceful religions on earth yet we believe in the Quran a thousand times more than Muslims why aren’t we killers and Jhadists? Simple. The Quran doesn’t teach these things and we KNOW our Quran from looking at it without a Mulla’s interpretation. Mulla’s have perverted and corrupted the Quran for centuries and ought to be banned forever. Go and read Baha’u’llah’s The Book of Certitude and you will see a lot of truth about how preachers have perverted the true meanings of their Books for personal power.
The Quran is the Word of God and it taught law and order and PEACE not war. Never to attack first. That’s what certain Mullas preach but not the Quran.
Can killers and murderers truly be said to be religious people? Please explain why we Baha’is who believe a thousand times more in the Quran than Muslims do why we are so peaceful if the Quran is promoting hatred and aggression? Why is the Baha’i Community renowned worldwide for being peaceful and not instead of being jihadists? The truth is its nothing to do with the Quran but the fact Muslims rely on their Mullas Interpretations and unauthentic Hadiths which are not the Word of God.
If Muhammad were alive today, according to the Quran, He would gather an army and completely annihilate and destroy ISIS. He would be their number one enemy.
Jay Boo says
David — You just don’t get it
Islam in all its gory vindictiveness and praise of having a sex-slave is the problem.
Islamic prayer for sexually-repressed young Muslim men is nothing but a form of spiritual masturbation.
Trapped by guilt and obsessed with Islamic ZINA-phobia they trade one fetish of dominating a fully covered sexually ambiguous (presumably female) sexual-object to going full submission in anticipation of pleasing Allah by assuming the position to assist with an Allah penetration.
Legion says
Sharp.
gerard says
What colour is the sky on your planet?
Joseph says
David, do you really want some bad news?
YOU are going to go to hell.
You deny the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
You deny the divinity of Jesus Christ.
You can’t get to heaven except by the blood of the cross, which you also deny ever happening!
What type of god wants you to kill innocents?? I’ll tell you, SATAN.
gravenimage says
More crap from David:
The Quran never taught violence except against groups acting like ISIS at that time.
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Like the peaceful farmers of Khaybar, whose only “crime” was not immediately revealing the location of their treasure to Muhammed and his raiders? The pious “Prophet” kindled a fire on the chest of their leader Kinana, then beheaded him. Later that night, he raped Kinana’s poor young widow, Safiyya.
What a marvelous guy…
Seriously, though, Baha’i like David insist that Muhammed was peaceful, against all evidence *in Islamic texts themselves*.
More:
We are talking here about child killers, mass rapists, mass murderers and slave traders. Muhammad tried to civilise them but they rejected His Message…
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My God, what crap. Muhammed himself raped captives and sex slaves. He took slaves and he sold slaves. He chided his thuggish companions for worrying about impregnating their rape victims by practicing “Al Azl”—withdrawal.
At one point he had up to 900 unarmed victims beheaded—the entire post-pubescent population of men and boys of the Banu Qurayza tribe. He enslaved the women and small children.
How “civilized” is any of this savagery?
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The Quran was a system of laws for a barbaric age and that age has passed and Baha’u’llah has come and abrogated the Quran and brought a new Book for this new age of world unity and world brotherhood called the Most Holy Book.
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This is the Baha’i view. Actual Muslims disagree, and consider the Qur’an the *unchanging word of God for all time*.
Also, notice the contradiction—Baha’i have to believe both that the Qur’an is entirely peaceful *and* that it was only fit to govern in a barbaric age.
A more minor point, but notice he considers anything previous to about *1890* to be a “barbaric age”—even though the West had seen the Enlightenment and abolished slavery everywhere by this time.
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The age of Islam as a spiritual and uniting force is ended for all to see and witness. But the Quran was never wrong for its age however it cannot be a remedy for a nuclear age and so has been superseded and prophecies in the Quran speak of this.
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Notice that he is telling civilized Infidels this—not supremacist Muslims themselves…
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Muhammad was only the last Prophet of the Adamic or Prophetic Cycle not the last Prophet that would ever come. That is a grave misinterpretation by Muslims especially when their Quran says the opposite.
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Uh—where exactly does the vicious Qur’an say the opposite? And what Muslim believes this? The reaction of the Muslim world to Baha’i was instantaneous—imprisonment, oppression, and executions.
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We shouldn’t just attack for the sake of attacking but open mindedly look at who is promoting these extremists views and which age the Quran was revealed in. There were no jails, courts, police, constitution so where would you put repeat offenders? Repeat child killers? You crucified them or dis enabled them permanently to protect other innocent children from being raped and killed.
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My God, what crap. For one thing, Islam *promotes* violence—it is not a reaction to it. And the implication that there were no jails, courts, police, or constitutions anywhere in the world *until 1890* is simply ludicrous.
And the idea that Islam prevents child rape could not be more grotesque. The vile “Prophet” *himself* is infamous for having “married a little girl when was just six, and raping her at nine. Islam now enshrines such pedophilia on the model of the “Prophet”, and little girls are forced into child marriage by Muslims all over the world on just this basis. In the most Islamic parts of the world, the *majority* of marriages are child marriages.
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Unless one understands this one can have a very narrow bigoted interpretation of Islam based merely upon prejudice and hatred.
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What utter crap. The idea that caravan raiding, kidnapping, pedophilia, the rape of captives, the taking of slaves and sex slaves, and mass murder of anyone who resisted such barbarism was perfectly OK before 1890 is just sickening.
And notice that Jesus—who lived six hundred years *before* Muhammed, was not a pedophile, slave trader, caravan raider, or mass killer. Why wouldn’t he have been, if this was to be considered fine at the time?
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The Bahais are amongst the most peaceful religions on earth yet we believe in the Quran a thousand times more than Muslims why aren’t we killers and Jhadists? Simple. The Quran doesn’t teach these things and we KNOW our Quran from looking at it without a Mulla’s interpretation. Mulla’s have perverted and corrupted the Quran for centuries and ought to be banned forever. Go and read Baha’u’llah’s The Book of Certitude and you will see a lot of truth about how preachers have perverted the true meanings of their Books for personal power.
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There is no way to read the Qur’an and interpret its calls for oppression and murder as peaceful unless one is in denial. Baha’i developed in the heart of the Muslim world, and dhimmis were not allowed to say anything negative about the Qur’an on pain of death. *That* is the context of their denial. Of course, this still hasn’t saved them from persecution and murder.
And again, the contradiction—that the Qur’an is entirely peaceful, yet fit only for a barbaric age.
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If Muhammad were alive today, according to the Quran, He would gather an army and completely annihilate and destroy ISIS. He would be their number one enemy.
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Just grimly laughable. ISIS and other Jihadists act *exactly* on the model of the “Prophet”.
Were Muhammed alive today, he would have Al Baghdadi assassinated—not because he would oppose what he stands for, but just so he himself could seize power of ISIS and the Caliphate for himself.
Doglicka says
Awesome comment, cheers.
It’s like, the Obama’s and the David’s of the world live in another reality. In black and white, the inhumanity and backward moral ideology is there for all to see. It confounds me, I just don’t get it.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Doglicka. Amazing that Baha’i, who are regularly oppressed and slaughtered by Muslims, are willing to lie to decent Infidels like us in order to whitewash Islam. This is dhimmitude taken to its utter limits—absolute Stockholm Syndrome. *Ugh*.
RonaldB says
By the way, notice that David never responds to criticisms or rebuttals. The whole structure of the Baha’i cult is to accept authority unquestioningly, and never make your own interpretations. Any Baha’i who goes against these mandates is simply dropped from membership. No hearing, no proceeding, and certainly, no individual right of expression.
So, while David might come in and make some fanciful statements based completely on teachings which he has absorbed and now regurgitates, he never engages in a debate. The whole structure of the Baha’i cult discourages debate or critical reasoning.
Champ says
Dumb David is preaching to the wrong crowd …he ought to try this narrative of his on ISIS and see how far he gets with THEM, not us.
gravenimage says
Very true, Champ.
RonaldB says
David is a Baha’i, another sect of Islam that has sponsored a prophet after Muhammad, and is consequently viciously persecuted by Muslims, who consider Baha’i’s apostates. Baha’i is another sect that demands full compliance with their teachings and full participation in their community. Their mechanism of enforcement is only shunning, though, and not violence.
Baha’is do not consider themselves Muslims, though, although their founder was a mullah.This is why Baha’is like David have a soft spot in their hearts for Muhammad, although they have interpreted his teachings and doctrines beyond the recognition of real Muslims. Imagine a peaceful, just, non-psychotic, non-sociopathic Muhammad, and that is the imaginary construct of Baha’is.
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/bigquestions/enemies.html
Like other millennial sects, the Baha’is have constructed an imaginary form of government which they think would solve all of mankind’s problems if only all of mankind would only institute the government form that Baha’i’s founder pulled out of his beard. Surprise, the imaginary government is top-heavy with socialist concepts. Funny how religions purporting to bring universal prosperity focus more on redistribution than on production.
Anyway, Ba’ha’is are indeed strictly peaceful and pleasant. They also supported the Shah of Iran before he was deposed by Khomeini and the more observant Shi’ites…including, I might add, the Shah’s use of Savak, a vicious, violent, and much-feared government-sponsored, terror corps under the Shah. So, the peaceful, innocent Baha’i’s got their hands a little bit dirty.
Anyway, in Iran, Muslims being Muslims, the Iranian authorities occasionally give Baha’is the choice of converting to Islam or hanging.
So, back to the present, David tells us that if we simply read the Koran the way it was meant to be read, we would see it as peaceful, tolerant, and humane. Crucifying troublemakers, and cutting off their hands and feet was simply a substitute for jails and fines. But, no matter…the whole Koran is abrogated anyway….though, if it’s abrogated, for the life of me, I can’t see why the Baha’i’s study it thoroughly and defend it. Seems like wasted effort, since David admits the Koran and Muhammads teaching were meant for ignorant camel-jockeys, and no longer have any relevance in a civilized society.
Champ says
The Lies of Baha’i
by David J. Stewart
Baha’i is straight from the pits of hell. They are a dangerous false religion because they claim to be “Christian,” but they certainly are not. Baha’is claim to believe that Jesus is the Saviour They acknowledge Christ’s virgin birth. They believe in the resurrection of Christ. They believe in the second coming and the rapture. So what is wrong about this increasingly popular religion?
More here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Bahai/lies_of_bahai.htm
fidobite says
Muslims SHOULD BE AFRAID! They should be most afraid of their own satanic religion/ideology! It’s not too late to renounce the cult and redeem your souls you muslims!
BIG bloodshed is coming and according to Biblical prophecy it does not work out well for muslims.
Mirren10 says
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…In the face of this challenge, we must stand united internationally and here at home. We know that military force alone cannot solve this problem”
Absolutely not !
We know, as Miss Harf, (sharf), whatever, tells us, the solution to this problem is to set up all these wannabe jihadis in**their own businesses** !!
The lure of paradise, 72 virgins, and the hegemony of Islamic sharia, the crushing under foot of all infidels, forcing them to step aside when muslims walk down the street, forcing them to pay the jizya until they feel themselves subdued; **none** of that has the least appeal when compared to running a pretzel stand !
If only we had known this before, what pain and suffering we could have avoided.
I have to go and vomit.
Wellington says
Tough call, Mirren, who is the greater fool, Obama or Cameron. My vote would go with Obama, but reasonable minds can differ here.
Hope you and yours are doing as well as possible in this extraordinarily silly age we live in, whereby fools aplenty are now in charge of the civilization which pioneered freedom more than any other civilization in all of history, and who are now throwing that freedom to the winds in the ongoing effort to see who can be most politically correct about a belief system (Islam) which abhors freedom.
Can’t make this stuff up. Stay well, my British friend, in this new Dark Age we now live in. God, how I detest the Obamas and Mays, the Camerons and Kerrys out there. No one of sense shouldn’t.
allan carr bryan says
I am English and we have enough problems of our own with these Muslim raghead savages invading our beautiful country looking for a better life. The one thing that bothers me is as soon as they get here they want to change my country to the shithole they left. If they don’t like the West go back to your shithole. Obama is not on the same Planet as us, Muslims are scared!!!! has he been back to DEARBORN lately? When he said that Muslims have had an effect in building the USA who was he trying to convince? I for one cannot understand how
Congress have not impeached him yet for being a TRAITOR. He is making decisions on his own, what happened to your Constitution? Does the resident Muslim in Chief thinks he above the Law.
PJG says
No, they don’t want to change Britain so it is like the place they came from. What they want is another “Islamic Golden Age” in which they can strut around in fancy clothes feeling powerful while dhimmis do all the work for them. They will never admit the role of Islam in making their homeland a dump. They simply blame the West for that and imagine that their religion, applied properly, will make a paradise – for them – in their new countries.
gravenimage says
*Very* true, PJG.
Steve Robinson says
Generally I am an Obama supporter. However he has to know the enemy to defeat them. He must confront the Muslim with the facts and show more anger with their actions. Also not bolding confronting Muslim leaders with some fury is disappointing. Additionally acting proud that American Muslims are not radicalized may be due to the fact that they are only .6% of population. In Europe this is a lot higher..
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PJG says
You are an Obama supporter? Why?
Jeff says
They have only their own fellow Muslims to blame. Islam does not exist to coexist.
Baucent says
Perhaps the President hasn’t noticed Coptic Christians in Egypt, Christians in northern Nigeria, Pakistani Christians, to name a few countries,are also “worried and afraid”.
Obama says that the extremists have “perverted Islam”, and that is the explanation for their actions. But he won’t explain how they have perverted Islam. And the media won’t probe this claim either. Once again he is being dishonest. When the enemy calls themselves Islamic, does everything in the name of Allah and references the Koran…they are muslims.
Matthieu Baudin says
Greetings Baucent, very good points. I might just add one more query to all this and perhaps some knowledgeable North Americans can enlighten me. If Obama’s father was in fact Moslem doesn’t it automatically follow that Barack is either Moslem himself or an Apostate from Islam? I can’t see any alternative from a traditional Islamic perspective. If I’m correct then Obama owes it to his constituency to declare himself one way or the other; either of these identities are very problematic for him, though in very different ways.
DeusLoVult says
Not at all Matthieu. In Islam, lying is permissible if your goal is the advancement of Islam.
READ: http://shoebat.com/2015/02/02/obama-bergdahls-stand-trial-treason-evidence-mounts-traitors-america/
His Islamic sympathies are becoming more obvious as each day passes. That article shows how Obama lets the Jihadists know who’s side he’s really on.
DeusLoVult says
*whose*
Baucent says
An interesting question. Obama is the son of a muslim, and in the eyes of every muslim on the planet, that means his religion should be Islam. If he now claims to be a Christian, then without doubt to muslim minds he must be an apostate. And you know what they do to apostates in Islamic countries.
JeffT says
Obama is who and what he is. He will never change. Why people expect to hear “the right thing” from his lips is beyond me. Any person that could not identify the 21 men slaughtered as Christians is evil. His words and his deeds are shallow and his faith lies with Islam. “The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Enough said.
Richie says
The day is coming Obama will demand ‘islamophobia’ (i.e discussion of criticism of Islam) be treated as a felony and and arrest those who speak out against islamic fascism
RonaldB says
I’ve been doing some reading on Obama’s history in the US and his past efforts.
His real history is Marxism, socialism, communism, rather than Islam. While his religious knowledge is Islam, I doubt if he has any real commitment to Islam as opposed to socialism.
As a community organizer, his job was to find out the issues concerning any particular community, and organize the community into an action body. The real objective was not to solve the issues, but to develop an influential community group, led by the organizer (Obama), which could be used to obtain more general political power.
The purpose of the power was always to gain more power.
For a communist, the focus is always on more taxation (leading ultimately to confiscation or complete government dominance), control of jobs, control of education, control of the media, control of all security and means of self-defense, with power all radiating down from a dictator or central committee.
Note how Obama always uses terrorism to justify….more government spending on jobs (foreign or domestic), more government control of security, more government surveillance, control of banking, control of the internet, and more centralization of federal authority over state interests, such as the interception of illegal immigrants.
The fact is, communists see Muslims as allies: the concepts of the caliph/dictator, control over the individual, and the discounting of individual rights makes the philosophy of stalinists and Islamists quite similar. Of course, the Islamists will slit the communists throats once they bring down the existing government. But, do not feel too remorseful for the poor communists, who would happily slit the Muslims throats but never seem to be quick enough to get the chance.
Anyway, Obama’s first and last commitment is to communism and centralization of power. His solution to any problem is always to bring the government in to spend money on make-work jobs and to create additional agencies devoted to propaganda.
PRCS says
mericans of all faiths and backgrounds must continue to stand united with a community in mourning and insist that no one should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.
He meant non-Muslims, too, right?
Right?
abad says
That’s what happens when a Muslim is elected POTUS.
Had McCain and then Romney been elected, we would not have ISL, Boko Haram, ad nauseum to deal with.
gravenimage says
abad wrote:
Had McCain and then Romney been elected, we would not have ISL, Boko Haram, ad nauseum to deal with.
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I think we probably would, abad—Muslims are on a roll around the world, regardless of who the American POTUS might be. Moreover, both McCain and Romney have proven themselves pretty ignorant when it comes to Islam—I believe they would have made plenty of mistakes in dealing with the Jihad threat.
That being said, I don’t think we would have seen *anything* like the enabling of Jihad we have seen under this appalling president. We would still be in quite a bit of trouble, but nothing anywhere near as bad as what we are facing now.
Bezelel says
(Efforts to counter violent extremism will only succeed if citizens can address legitimate grievances through the democratic process and express themselves through strong civil societies.)
Isn’t that what was tried in Gaza? And isn’t that how hamas got in power, by democratic process? And how’s that arab spring thing workin out?
muslims need to see that their way ain’t working. Nobody changes course without dead end.
mortimer says
Obama only cares for the fear of Muslims, but they are not under attack.
WE ARE UNDER ATTACK BY MUSLIMS, MR. OBAMA!
We are scared witless about them blowing up our airplanes, NEWSPAPER and TV offices, our SHOPPING MALLS, our TRAIN STATIONS, our PARKS, our COMMUNITY EVENTS, our SPORTS MATCHES!
Is there a reason to be scared if there is no Muslim terror threat? Obviously, from daily news of atrocities, THE THREAT IS REAL.
THIS IS NOT A DRILL. REPEAT. NOT A DRILL. MUSLIMS ARE ATTACKING AMERICA!
Champ says
You’re sooo right, Mortimer!!!
DeusLoVult says
Barack Obama: Our fight is against violent extremism from an unnamed vaguely detailed ideology that has nothing to do with Islam.
How can anyone buy this garbage?
DeusLoVult says
Obama And The Bergdahls Should Stand Trial For Treason As Evidence Mounts That They Are Traitors To America
READ: http://shoebat.com/2015/02/02/obama-bergdahls-stand-trial-treason-evidence-mounts-traitors-america/
PJG says
So the young men recruited to the Islamic State are suffering from a lack of “dignity” in their lives. Of course, one can’t be expected to dignify oneself in Obama’s world, “dignity” must be handed to people on a plate.
Without this lovin’ plateful, an alternative road to “dignity” is to be found cutting people’s heads off and burning them alive?
No mention from Obama of the true dignity shown by the twenty-one fishermen, who found honest work for themselves and presented themselves for execution with admirable steadfastness.
There is no way a true Christian would not have commented on this difference between the terrorists and their victims.
Georg says
If they were only worried or afraid I wouldn’t feel so bad, but worried and afraid… how can I go on?
gravenimage says
Obama: “Many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid”
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Why would they be? Unless they’re “worried and afraid” that more and more Infidels are on to the fact that Islam is an inherently violent creed?
Apart from that, the extent of the “backlash” has been a couple of yahoos putting bacon on Mosque door handles. Oh, the humanity! sarc/off
And never mind that most “hate crimes against Muslims” turn out to be ginned up by the Mohammedans themselves.
As for Craig Hicks, he actually said that he preferred Muslims to Christians and he was a supporter of the Ground Zero Mosque. Trying to paint him as an “Islamophobe” rather than a nutcase willing to shoot three people over a parking space is ludicrous.
More:
Non-Muslims may be worried and afraid because of jihad terror, but that doesn’t bother the President…
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And why should it? I finally got around to reading “Dreams From My Father”. I knew that Obama had a Muslim father and step-father, and was listed as Muslim himself when he attended Qur’an classes in Indonesia as a child—what I didn’t realize was just how much engagement with Muslims he has had throughout his life. His roommate in college was Muslim, his roommate in New York was Muslim, many of those he worked with as a “community organizer” in Chicago were Muslim, the notorious and nominally Christian Reverend Wright is a former Muslim, and Obama’s elder brother—whose mother was yet another of the elder Barack’s wives—fervently re-embraced Islam. Pretty odd for a boy from Hawai’i…
And all of this was accompanied with a deep, virulent hatred of the West and its values—far more overt than I had previously believed to be the case.
More:
More broadly, groups like al Qaeda and ISIL exploit the anger that festers when people feel that injustice and corruption leave them with no chance of improving their lives. The world has to offer today’s youth something better.
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But what Islam considers “injustice” is anything other than the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law, and it considers anything other than supremcist Muslim rule “corrupt”.
The only thing that offers pious Muslim ‘youth’ a remedy in such cases *are* violent Jihad groups like al Qaeda and ISIL.
Of course, he would likely prefer we did not understand that…
jihad3tracker says
Spot on gravenimage ! ! ! !
As a deeply contemptuous & ashamed lifelong Democrat senior citizen, I say “thanks” for your many posts here about the increasingly transparent seditious agenda of Hussein Obama.
FarmerMike says
@jihad3tracker, I, too, am a senior citizen who has often voted Democrat, & who is very alarmed by “the increasingly transparent seditious agenda of Hussein Obama.” So, I am determined to do all I can to see Obama impeached. But I wonder who were those influential deep pockets who backed Obama in the first place, & who apparently still back him, seeing as how our Congress has so far flinched from impeaching him! That puzzles me. Anyhow, I’ll be putting “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers on my car, and sending letters to the press. And I’m asking for a meeting w/ my Congressman, Brad Wenstrup, to point out these “seditious” grounds for impeachment.
jihad3tracker says
I appreciate the work you are about to undertake — actually speaking to an elected representative. And the bumper sticker is a statement of courage in its own way.
But as to the possibility of impeachment ? Almost zero, in my humble opinion. If you are in your sixties, like I am, you may recall how hard it was to get Congress awake about Nixon’s conduct.
For Obama, the prevailing thought would be “This guy less than half his term remaining. Just hold on until the election.”
And a political risk for Republicans is that such an attempt to impeach will turn away those Democrats who are at least CONSIDERING voting for Repubs next time.
As to money’s influence in our party — yes, there are many very rich Dems who buy their way toward policy influencing — but quietly. And $$$ has corrupted Repubs too, of course.
I don’t have specific, trustworthy websites off the top of my head to recommend for your research in finding out who those deep-pocket people are, but a good place to start might be the political science department at a couple of your local universities.
Give the heads of those departments a phone call and ask for recommendations on neutral, solid information via the Internet. BUT DO NOT MENTION THAT YOU ARE A DEM. JUST SAY YOU ARE DOING SOME RESEARCH ON — BOTH — PARTIES, AND THE EFFECT OF MONEY.
But, as I have written in other posts, let’s take note of the remarkable speed at which even clueless “average workin” Joe and Jane” Americans are now waking up about Islam’s true essence (thanks to ISIS).
We are in for one Hellacious near future — the next six months or so — because Obama knows he is backed into a corner by the reality everyone sees on a daily basis. He is handing desperately on to the remnants of the illusion about Islam being worthy of respect.
My guess is that, just as with most children who are raised by Muslim parents, he was only told about the Five Pillars — those essential obligations which ARE IN FACT NOT VIOLENT, AND NOT CONCERNED WITH INFIDELS.
He certainly was not told anything regarding how drastically Muhammad’s behavior altered after the Hijra — the escape from Mecca and relocation to Medina. So, as he learned the FULL history of Islam, he became more and more internally troubled.
I am not a psychologist, but even a rudimentary ounce of insight on what happens to our emotional core when one of its central “heartfelt confidence” elements is found to be counterfactual and evil — well, in such a devastating situation, humans tend toward defensive irrational reactions. Rather like discovering that your favorite uncle led a secret life consumed by beating puppies and throwing random children off roofs.
Anyway — enough wasted time on pathetic BHO, who apparently has a well-developed case of narcissistic personality disorder, thus incapable of adult courage & lacking a truly loyal mature American’s willingness to admit error in the interest of our country’s survival.
Spot On says
“seditious agenda ”
FarmerMike, that is a good way to put it. While too young to remember WWII itself, I remember everyone after the war was accused of being “seditious” if they even showed a glimmer of respect for Nazis, or Germans in general. Germans patriotic to the US in this country had to lie low during and a long time after the war.
Hussein O. is supporting our deadly enemy which is formulated and held together by Islam. This is “seditious” conduct. This enemy will kill us if and when they are ready. His WH staff is even creating propaganda on behalf of the enemy by saying “we can’t win” and that “we can’t kill the enemy”. Anyone publically saying that about Nazis would have been booed off the stage or imprisoned during or after WWII.
Neville Chamberlain was a “feed the Lion and it will not hurt you” type. Hussein O. does not offer to “feed the Lion” when he defends the “Lion” and condemns the “Lion’s” mortal enemies such as Israel.
gravenimage says
Thanks, jihad3tracker.
And I agree—after Obama was reelected in 2012, the practical possibility of impeaching him—unless he does something so overt that even those in denial will take notice, which seems unlikely—is essentially nil.
Also, most people who did vote for him—I’m here in the bluest-of-blue states, California, so I’m surrounded by people with Obama bumper stickers on their cars—have no understanding of the Jihad threat at all, and voted for him because they swallowed the crap about his being all “hopey-changey”. Many of them voted for him as a symbol of “diversity” more than as an individual.
I think we need to focus our energy on electing someone at least marginally savvy about Islam to the White House in 2016, and just do what we can to minimize the damage this Jihad-enabling lame duck can do until then.
voegelinian says
I remember everyone after the war was accused of being “seditious” if they even showed a glimmer of respect for Nazis, or Germans in general. Germans patriotic to the US in this country had to lie low during and a long time after the war.
For good reason. Any self-respecting German American at the time would understand that.
bobtherrien says
me too…i’m am stupid….I was a life long democrat…voted for Obama in 2008…I feel like the Egyptians who voted for the devil pig morisi and basically said screw the people we want sharia…and for me it was the 2009 cairo speech where Obama blatantly lied/deceived misquoting the quran sura 5:32…I was disgusted…we have a devout sunni muslim in the white house and he’s is fulfilling the muslim brotherhood agenda…enemy of the usa…I drank the coolaid…but not anymore…not that i’m going full republicunt either…I saw a headline this morning that made me hurl…”looks like it’s golden for Hilary”…final death blow to America…kill me…
Georg says
Interesting that he loves to publicly recount the racism of his white grandmother(who took care of him). Dedicates a book to his absentee father (who didn’t take care of him). Doesn’t dedicate a book to his devoted mother (who did take care of him). And holds nothing but reverence for “The Holy Qu’Rrran”(a racist book informing the behavior of our worst enemies).
He must have flipped a coin and decided West can do no right, East no wrong. What are the odds?
Not overly related, but he must call Islamic state “ISIL” because it’s the most euphonic of the terms; never mind it’s not their name or an accurate account of their presence.
ECAW says
The Koran is a vile book of hatred but racist? Where do you get that?
Georg says
@ECAW
I consider anti-Semitism to be racism I also consider the supremacist nature of the Koran to be racist enough to be called racist.
ECAW says
“I also consider the supremacist nature of the Koran to be racist enough to be called racist.”
Georg – That sentence doesn’t make sense. Where is there concern with race in the Koran?
ECAW says
Free Speech – I take it you’re joking, or do you really want me to prove a negative?
Spot On says
@Georg You are correct about anti-Semitism being racism. A distinction without a difference. Apparently though, @ECAW is ok with the Koran being a supremacist book of hatred.
ECAW says
“A distinction without a difference”
A snappy phrase but irrelevant in this case.
Mohammed/Allah hated Jews for religious reasons not for racial ones the same as we criticise Muslims for religious reasons not racial ones.
We don’t like it when the opposition call us racist when our concerns are with the religion but you are happy to use the boo word on Allah with no justification.
Unless you’ve spotted something in the Koran which I’ve missed, in which case I would be grateful to be educated.
Georg says
Tx Spot,
I do feel anti-Semitism is certainly racist– and I appreciate your concurrence! I’m not Jewish, but let’s stand up for who deserves to be stood up for; The Jews are a wonderful group of people (and I say this as someone who’s not 100% on board with Israel’s current trajectory). I feel truly fortunate that Jews have contributed so disproportionately, ,and the least we can do is offer them an at least normal amount of accommodation.
Georg says
The Koran likens Jews to apes and pigs. The term “ape” is a reference to the biology of the organism, not its religious persuasion. If an ape practices Islam, it is still an ape; by extension, a la Koran, if a Jew practices Islam, he/she is still a Jew.
And referring to any group of people as apes and pigs is racist. I won’t go on with this, because I’m not going to dignify the argument that the Koran isn’t racist.
ECAW says
Georg – Well done. You found my comment elsewhere about apes and pigs. Blimey, do I have to provide both sides of the argument?
Nevertheless I’m glad that you now accept that racism has to do with racial characteristics which are hereditary unlike religion. But you are still confusing modern anti-semitism based on race and Mohammed’s hatred of Jews which sprang from their refusal to accept him as a prophet.
And you “won’t go on with this, because I’m not going to dignify the argument that the Koran isn’t racist”? Hmm…doesn’t that look a bit like flouncing out of the room because you’ve been proved wrong and you just won’t have it?
Georg says
ECAW
Do you think Hitler was racist?
ECAW says
Yes, of course. What has that to do with Mohammed’s religious struggles with all around him?
Georg says
It has nothing to do with it. I was just curious.
voegelinian says
He must have flipped a coin and decided West can do no right, East no wrong. What are the odds?
You describe Obama as though he were a unique being in a vacuum, and not (as in fact he is) richly and deeply sustained and nourished by a vast sociopolitical culture whose paradigm & worldview, currently mainstream and dominant and virtually supremely fashionable, parrots and regurgitates nearly all of his talking points which he, in turn, adroitly weaves into his seemingly anodyne and populist demagoguery.
voegelinian says
(Note: the “paradigm & worldview” I refer to in my comment above remains “currently mainstream and dominant and virtually supremely fashionable” throughout the West, of course; and only prevails outside the West to the extent that the West’s cultural hegemony is global.)
voegelinian says
Georgi,
It wasn’t the coin-flipping part I was balking at.
Georg says
I understand your point, but maybe not put them in charge of infrastructure…
Georg says
I was only kidding, and have voted Democrat myself… Nice quote.
Dee says
I just wish people had known he was a muslim before they voted for him. Of course, all the dumocrats would have voted for him anyhow. Now he is ruining our country and still can do more damage and just pray that we can get back and get on the right track.
voegelinian says
Why would that have made a difference? As Jihad Watch reported recently:
“Iowa caucus: 53% of Republicans, 81% of Democrats think Islam is peaceful”
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-telltale-r-having-heart-and-brain.html
Georg says
Let me sum this up: The Koran is racist- if it’s not, then virtually nothing is. The Arabic “kaffir” is consistently equivalent to the English “nigger” in spirit and context (less than coincidental). You’re talking to a former Democrat, so I’m fairly disinterested here. Whether someone’s white or brown, they can take their reflexive racist glee and cram it. That’s all.
@ Vogelinian
When I say “he must have flipped a coin” I’m being facetious. I’m mocking his decision as being 1:1 when in fact it was always East > West, Black/Brown>White, and so on, regardless of evidence.
gravenimage says
Westman, I don’t believe that most “Muslim youth” are looking for jobs, nor that lack of job opportunities are what turn Muslims to Jihad. The West offers *far more* educational, employment, and entrepreneurial opportunities than does Dar-al-Islam, but that does not prevent Muslims from waging violent Jihad.
The truth is that Islam *despises* productive labor and innovation, and the “Prophet” believed that pious Muslims should live off booty and the labor of Infidels. This is *exactly* what we see Jihad groups like ISIS doing.
st. patrick says
Superb response Graven..Thank you..
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office
gravenimage says
Thanks for the countdown clock, St. Patrick! And seriously, I think the main thing to focus on is 2016.
bobtherrien says
I hope it’s not a countdown till the Hilary administration…then…the end will be on the horizon…she’s as much on the side of muslim brotherhood (main agenda: destroy America from within) as Obama.
st. patrick says
UGH..Fixed it..
tedh754 says
Good. Hopefully they are so afraid they will leave. America doesn’t need any more Fifth columns.
gfmucci says
The more Obama opens his mouth on this topic the less I question that he is a Muslim and the more I wonder how radical.
Peggy says
Obama: “Many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid”
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That’s easily fixed. Stop killing us and you have nothing to be afraid of.
Peggy says
Obama: “Many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid”
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Easily solved. Stop killing us and we won’t hate you.
somehistory says
No mention of Christian victims, but all *must stand united *with a community in mourning*…..Is that an order?
It is clear, though not directly stated, which *community* is meant.
And no matter *who they are, what they look like*….It isn’t likely that people who are not feeling so *united* with those who are terrorists feel the way they do about it because of looks or dress. “Or how they worship.”…..What if *how they worship* means a cutting of the neck… a *targeting*… of those they meet at a bus stop or they see wearing something with which they disagree? Or not wearing a scarf or not reading a certain book written by a perverted murderer, or drawing something?
There is a lot in this speech that is not said outright.
There will be many things happening in the very near future. A whole lot of them dangerous for Christians. And for others who recognize the beast for what it is.
(Rev.13-)
No Fear says
It is the DUTY of America to hand over all its wealth to ISIS so that those muslims who run ISIS are no longer economically disadvantaged. It is only right that every American do their duty in this regard and donate all that they have to the poor starving ISIS members.
somehistory says
Just read an article from AP about the terrorists from G. Bay, Cuba, sent to Uruguay as *refugees*. According to the president of the country and the head of a union, these guys lack a work ethic, don’t want to work and are refusing jobs.
“Mujica said of the former prisoners. “Through their hands, features and family histories, it seems to me that they’re middle class.”
Lee says
If they won’t work then they should be allowed to starve, but hard work has never been a Muslim value. They were founded by a caravan raider, a looter and that is what they believe they should emulate. So I think we should give them a damn thing but simply let them live on what they are willing to earn by their own labor.
somehistory says
If they won’t work, neither let them eat (from the Bible 2 Thess. 3:10).
The reason I cited it was because the government is saying there is terrorism due to poverty.
pongidae rex says
Mr. Spencer,
Someday you and a Mr. Paul Revere will clank silver flagons together in some place where all but true men are dust on the floor.
duh_swami says
How many times, in how many ways, does Obama have to tell us he is Rasulullah, before we believe him?
duh_swami says
It’s too bad Joe Miller was not in the audience…A hardy ‘YOU LIE’ at the right juncture would have been verrrry interesting.
josepxicot says
It is a domestic solution:back home,occident is not a lovely land for muslims,we more advanced and they
don´t like to learn.
Caveman says
It is the Muslims that do the maiming, raping, firing, bombing, killing etc. and they are afraid? What about the people they are doing all that to, are they not the ones that should be afraid? WUWT
jayell says
.”…Muslim Americans who make extraordinary contributions to our country every day……” Perhaps this statement needs some justification, especially considering that they are currently only a small proportion of the American population. It’s just like the other one I read (an Obama quote?) about “muslims making a huge contribution in America’s history” (or something like that), which is odd considering that they were pretty well absent from the scene until relatively recently, and certainly not positions to make any significant impact. Indeed, perhaps the only ‘significant impact’ muslims have ever made on America was the impact on the twin towers – sorry if that sounds a bit sick, but in reality does it not just about sum up the quality and value of muslim contributions to the USA. to date? And what’s all this about ‘pluralism’? Since when was ‘pluralism’ part of the Islamic creed? Or is this just another piece of convenient taqqyia until there are enough of them to start threatening to sink the boat just like they’re doing here in Europe?
Georg says
You must understand more is expected of us than of them. They are to be felt sorry for and we despised, this is the liberal credo. In the US, rates of anti-Semitic acts (this coming from the FBI) occur three times more often than do anti-Muslim acts, but not surprisingly it’s never mentioned. And you’re right, pluralism is antithetical to their most deeply held beliefs; this might explain the ubiquitous reactions non-Muslims get from Muslims which normally range between cold and rude (which we’re not allowed to take note of, internalize, or God forbid speak of). As you note, they make up a miniscule amount of the population, so describing their contribution as extraordinary is reaching and frankly just odd. They do have a disproportionate, and therefore extraordinary effect on our country in another regard, as you alluded to, but that’s not supposed to bother us. They’re worried, afraid, extraordinary people and we’d better love it.
Georg says
I’d also like to point out that in Europe it’s Jews who are fleeing and Muslims who are clambering to get in. And this President has the gall to single them out as being, “worried and afraid”. Despicable.
Jews ought to be lauded for the TRULY extraordinary contribution to humanity despite being an absolutely tiny minority, and persecuted at every turn and enduring, against all odds, a RECENT genocide–where some 7 million were slaughtered.
jayell says
Hello Georg. You are SO right!! Over here in the UK we have muslims publicly insulting the Queen, British instutions, British troops in hospitals and marching through British streets, burrning the Union Jack, burning the bible, and – nothing is done! On this very site there is a story about a Pakistani muslim teacher in London who posted some pretty nasty, openly anti-Semitic pro-Hitler stuff on his facebook page and found himself arrested and in court only to be fined £430 (about $700) and at this moment in time he’s STILL IN THE CLASSROOM!!! And you possibly know about our muslim paedophile rape- gang scandal in the northern town of Rotherham; well, the government has taken a lot of the (white british) officials to pieces, but not ONE of the actual criminals involved has even been arrested yet! Yet, on the other hand, a minor (English) poltical figure found himself arrested for publicly quoting a well-known speech by Churchill where Islam is criticised, a young couple on a bus got thrown off because a muslim female passenger objected to them singing a song about cartoon pig-character to their young child, and a man on another bus got himself dragged to court because he grumbled about our Islamic friends in ear-shot of another muslim passenger, and I could go on and on. It seems like muslims have carte blanche to do and say as they please, commit outrages and atrocities (which of course have nothing to do with Islam, you understand), yet say ONE word to offend their delicate sensibilities and the boys in blue might come knocking on your door! I’m not sure about the rest of Europe, but our Jewish friends in the UK, who have been part of our scene for centuries, never given any trouble and have made a fantastic contribution, seem to feel quite happy despite the recent troubles. And we are aware that these troubles are indeed ‘recent’ because they have been caused by a certain sector of the population that has only ‘recently’ arrived.
Noreletivist says
You are who you worship. Per the Quran Allah is the author of evil and predestinatiion and therefore predestined ISIS. Allah’s heaven is a sexually preverted paradice for men. Muhammed was a polygamist, pedophile, mass murderer.
Michael Carpenter says
While President Obama and many of the news media want to focus on Muslim’s being threatened, what about the Christians who have been threatened by Muslims for talking about the religion of Islam. After 9/11 the pastor at the church I attend presented the history of Islam to the congregation. A couple of days later the church received death threats and told the church would be bombed if the pastor talked about Islam again. The pastor has avoided the subject. So where is the uproar to protect Christians and Jews in this country from Muslims?
toastandmarmalade says
One of the first things Obama did was to remove a bust of Sir Winston Churchill from the Oval Office, presumably because Churchill had Islam pegged.
Yona Levy Grosman says
The Copts cut the heads off Muslims? The Yezidis are raping Muslim girls? The Christians, hold rallies in Islamic countries call to slaughter anyone who is not a Christian? The Jews are inciting to murder all Muslims every last one? I wonder who should be concerned about?
Muslims are concerned? They need to stop inciting to murder!
The Copts cut the heads off Muslims? The Yezidis are raping Muslim girls? The Christians, hold rallies in Islamic countries call to slaughter anyone who is not a Christian? The Jews are inciting to murder all Muslims every last one? I wonder who should be concerned about?
Muslims are concerned? They need to stop inciting to murder!
Obama does not want to meet with Netanyahu. In general, Obama wants to shut up the Israeli leader. But Obama hosts a Muslim leader who published the lie that Israel is suspected in an attack of 9.11
Muslim Leader Who Called Israel a ‘Suspect’ After 9/11 Meets with Biden at White House
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/muslim-leader-who-called-israel-a-suspect-after-911-meets-with-biden-at-white-house/
No relativism says
Islam is the root of the problem because you are who you worship:
The God of the Quran is unknowing and the author of evil because Allah predestines all things. Muhammed is a pedophile, polygamist, mass murderer. Islam flowed from this prophet who depicts Allah as a racist and it became a 7th century based political/judicial/economic system that’s presented as a religion. It spreads like a virus through deception/force/conquering/invasion. It’s incapable of adapting to modern times but they do like using infidel modern inventions (guns/computers/cell phones/planes etc) to advance their cause. The Quran can’t be revised/moderated/toned down. It’s called the religion of “peace” only because once everyone is converted to Islam then there will be “peace” but even then they won’t really be peace because Muslims will then have bloody fights with other Muslims because they aren’t Islamic enough.
ECAW says
Allah a racist? Where did you get that?
pumbar says
He just simmers in the koran but in the hadith you can find black people compared to raisins…
ECAW says
Raisins? That’s the best you got? 🙂
gravenimage says
Dear ECAW, the word for “black person” and “slave” are the same in Arabic: abd. This should not surprise—supremacist Arab Muslims enslaved black Africans *for centuries*.
And this is not just something from the past—Northern Sudanese Arab Muslims have been systematically enslaving black Christians. And to illustrate that this is not done just on the basis of faith, they are also mass murdering blacks in Darfur—even though blacks in Darfur are *almost entirely Muslim*.
And the “Prophet” himself referred to blacks as “raisin heads”. Islam is, actually, quite a racist creed. Too bad that more African-Americans fail to realize this.
ECAW says
Graven Image – Yes, there seems to be a fair amount of racist sentiment in the middle east and has been for hundreds of years – Arabs against Black Africans, Persians against Arabs – but the point under discussion is whether Mo/Allah is racist.
If raisins in a hadith is your best evidence that’s pretty slim pickings isn’t it?
I see nothing racist in Allah’s attitudes (apart from his slur about Jews being descendants of apes and pigs since that would be hereditary if true). But apart from that his hatred is entirely religion based as far as I can see. If you can produce evidence to the contrary I would be much obliged.
gravenimage says
ECAW, there is quite a bit of racism and Arab supremacism in Islam. Wiki Islam has a pretty comprehensive article here:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Racism
But I don’t consider Islam’s racism its most marked feature—although it is particularly ironic when it comes to Black Muslims embracing this creed.
You can decide for yourself whether this is a particularly salient feature of that foul creed or not—certainly, there is a more than enough to criticize besides this.
ECAW says
Graven Image – Thanks for that link. I am a great fan of WikiIslam but what I see in these quotes is only the incidental racism of Arabs towards non-Arabs and particularly towards Blacks, the kind of attitudes that are bound to spring up in a slave owning society as justification for that slave owning. But slave owning isn’t justified by Allah because of the unfortunate slaves’ race but only because they don’t believe in him.
There are only 4 Koran verses (ie Allah supposedly speaking for himself) quoted in that link:
9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger…”
Is their ignorance a result of something inherent in them? The phrase “most fitted to be” suggests it but other translations use more non-commital phrases which, if anything, suggest their nomadic way of life as the cause:
“more likely to be ignorant”
“most apt not to know”
“most likely to ignore”
“likelier it is that they should be unaware”
“easier for them to be ignorant”
39:60 “And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened. Is there not in hell an abode for the proud?”
Why would their faces be blackened? When I first came across this verse I assumed, in my innocence, that it meant blackened by the fire. Most translations just say “blackened” but some say:
“faces darkened [by grief and ignominy]”
“their faces, ones that are clouded over”
“they will assume blackness expressive of the terror falling upon them”
“black would be their faces (with disgrace)”
“their faces are darkened (i.e., devoid of Divine Light and Awakening)”
“faces of those who spread false rumors about God covered with misery”
“faces shall be overcast with gloom”
But none say “blackened like a Negro”.
WikiIslam then quotes these verses which I would say argue against their point rather than for:
3:106-7 “The day will come when some faces will be brightened (lightened) (with joy), while other faces will be darkened (with misery). As for those whose faces are darkened, they will be asked, “Did you not disbelieve after believing? Therefore, suffer the retribution for your disbelief.” As for those whose faces are brightened (lightened), they will rejoice in GOD’s mercy; they abide therein forever.”
On the basis of what I have seen so far in this thread I have to declare Allah not guilty as charged. He’s still not a nice chap though.
ken says
All of you Idiots that voted for Obama, hope you are happy. You deserve him.
There is so much confusion as to why he will not name this plague for what it is. Well it is simple………… This man is a Muslim. History will show this deceit and the biggest lie and will show how uninformed the people in this country are.
I don’t know when it will finally be reveled but it will be eventually (when he is long gone).
Open your eyes people, this Muslim was elected president not long after Muslim terrorists attacked us on 9/11. Unbelievable stupid people……..
Sam says
Agreed 100%. However, we have millions of Americans still adore this brainwashed America hating Obama. Go figure!
Lisa Liel says
Notice how he says that “there were killings” at a Sikh temple and a Jewish community center. Not that Sikhs and Jews were murdered for *being* Sikhs and Jews. And notice how he picks two of the rare cases where attacks were carried out by non-Muslims. And he has to go back years for it, too. And then “three Muslim Americans were brutally killed”. And while he says we don’t know why, the following sentences make it clear that he’s saying they were killed for being Muslims. And compare this to his comment about the “random folks” killed at a deli in France. I cannot find words to describe how much I hate this man.
Been There Got the Tee Shirt says
If Ted Cruz were to give a 30 minute rambling incoherent lecture about the Barbary pirates and the role these mohammedans played in that important chapter of the history of our country, I wonder what MSM would have to say? Nothing, they wouldn’t cover it. When BHO rants on and on (like yesterday) about the absolutely critical role mohammedans played in our country’s history he’s absolutely right…yes, and they were the Barbary pirates.
jihad3tracker says
How ridiculous is Obama’s insisting the CVE conference is actually NOT about “Islamic extremism” ?
Well, imagine two young media-news watchers coming into their family kitchen at dinner as vanilla custard is scooped into dishes. ( Jello was removed from the menu when Cosby’s serial-rapist hobby got discovered. )
“Mom, we listened to the whole event really carefully, but nobody talked about how to prevent Christians and Jews from being radicalized . . . In our modern non-sectarian culture, they must be alienated too, right ?”
William says
For all who say that it does not matter if Obama be Mohammedan or not, and that it makes no difference, I want to ask: If he come out today and say he is Mohammedan, would it change your thinking? I think it should. Because, if he professes to be Christian – as you has done – and act the way he is doing, you could say that he is being even handed. That is, as a Christian in a dominant Christian country, he is looking out for the minority Mohammedans and is lessening the impact of a dominant culture on a weak minority one. But if he be Mohammedan, his open declaration of support of Mohammedans, and his condescending comments on Christianity, as in “they did terrible deed in the name of Christ,” wouldn’t you be saying that he is blatantly partisan, instead of naively impartial?
gravenimage says
It is a false idea that minorities in a democracy are automatically discriminated against—and whitewashing Jihad is *not* being “even handed”
Sam says
The gall of this pandering, apologist idiot. We are not at all “worried and afraid” of muzzie wacko’s blowing us up, beheading us or ISIS getting to our shores (if they are not already here) to start knifing us down in the streets or one of our beautiful, pristine shorelines, just like they did last week to 21 innocent men. Mr. President has me “very worried and afraid” indeed.
laura r says
most people believe what the president says. why should he play it any differently? how canyou even react or take him seriously? hes just a puppet doing his job.
M S case says
His presidency is in shambles and he does not want to go down as the president who attacked the muslims… If he attacks them in their homeland then he has attacked them here in the U.S and that just would not sit well with him. “muslim Americans afraid” They should be afraid because those murderers in isis want to kill them too if they don’t follow the sharia law
Would they submit to sharia law or would they face death at the hands of the Islamic terrorist??? I don’t know..If they are actually so called good moderate muslims I think they might take death…but……………If the sword is against the neck and given the choice of life or death then the muslim will become what the sword bearer is or so it’s been said.
pumbar says
The most knowledgeable, intelligent man in the world…
pumbar says
From the photo it looks like he cannot decide which pizza slice he’s going to buy with the $4 Michelle gave him.
FarmerMike says
@jihad3tracker: Impeaching Obama is what I hope to help accomplish, tho I see that for the Speaker of the House, Cong. Boehner–from right here in Ohio–impeachment is not even on the table. Why? I’m not sure. Maybe he’s following a “disaster capitalism” agenda.
Meanwhile, I plan to put two “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers on my car, which should get them to be noticed more than usual, & maybe get talked about. When I go to see Wenstrup, I plan to take a few printouts of materials found on-line. One is of Robert Spencer’s Feb. 8, 2011, article from Human Events, titled “Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood Ties.” The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928, for the purpose of spreading Islam & sharia law everywhere. Along the way, the MB spawned at least two terrorist groups, Hamas & al Qaeda, and of course al Qaeda later spawned ISIS. So, we see Obama inviting the head of the Muslim Brotherhood-linked ISNA [Islamic Society of North America], Ingrid Mattson, to give a prayer at his inauguration. Then Obama sent his senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, over to be the keynote speaker at ISNA’s national convention in 2009, as pay-back. There’s more, like using US military to train anti-Assad fighters, who soon show up as ISIS jihadists. I’ve seen sites that offer 25, & even 50, reasons to impeach Obama. There’s room for just about everyone in this effort.
As you suggest, I’ll contact poli-sci dept. heads at local universities about trustworthy websites.
Whether we impeach Obama or not, we the people of America need to take back the political dialog in our country, and not leave it in the hands of well-funded political operatives and parties. We need to stop allowing ourselves to be treated as “sheeple.” The media lambs may be silent, but we the people do not have to be.
jihad3tracker says
I wish you the best of luck — using Robert Spencer’s “search box” with appropriate keywords can bring up plenty of facts.
Also, in general, as further deterioration of security in our cities happens, and more Muslims become emboldened by ISIS, please stay discreetly below-the-radar with things you say public.
And I give MYSELF the same advice . . . It might be satisfying to pushback verbally when the jihadis mouth off, but ultimately not worth risking assault.
TheCountess says
Farmer Mike,
Look into a safe search engine: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=duckduckgo.com&ia=about, or something else for further protection. I use this and am willingly giving out my support to you and others. I am a 912er, from G. Becks original group. This usurper in office right now has undone most of our constitution in a single 2 term time span. And no one is objecting. I can offer time searching, calling, emailing and so forth. Have been documenting this administrations activities, and including Ms C as S of S. America is asleep. Busy with anything but involvement. Understand this. It is going to take boldness, and a willingness just like the founding fathers used. That is how far we have come from our countries’ inception. .Also understand that most who hold office don’t care as well. There are no good guys. People of conscience are not in politics. And it may very well be that the idea of America, which is all it is, is gone. Most people want a hand out. The proof is those who are demanding one right now as immigrants. How dare they. And yet they are doing it. I will concede that doing nothing is the wrongest of wrongs.And people of conscience must act, even if they stand alone. A message to any and all. It appears that America stands at the crossroad, and will ether continue or go by the wayside.
I am at your disposal.
I add that my faith in our Lord Jesus compels me to speak out. My knowledge of scripture stands a testament against us though. The week of O inauguration the scripture reading in synagogues from the Torah was, ” Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph” Ex-1:8 Stephen in Acts 7:18 restates it again in the NT. It is important to know this and understand America as a nation touts it’s relationship with the living God. That alone makes us liable. And God, whose word will not return unto Him void, will not be mocked. This isn’t a fight against ideologies of the flesh. it is one of the mind. If we hope to gain anything it must come by way of the One who is in control. Or we fight in vain and are ‘beating at the air’. You cannot do this without God, for it is He who created this nation.
Sincerely,
TheCountess
jihad3tracker says
Hello Countess — Thank you for that info about the Duckduckgo search engine . . .
And here is a truly FREE proxy server which does not try to trick you into a pay-for deception, like many other fake “free” proxy sites do : http://www.freeproxyserver.net.
THIS SERVER SOMETIMES DOES TAKE TIME TO LOAD ALL THE PARTS OF HOMEPAGES, because it uses a more stealthy was of capturing them. So when you type in a URL path and hit the “get” button, be patient.
It might not be able to go all the way into linked pages of the website you want to visit. Some websites are already in “protect” mode against proxy servers. But give it a try — see how far you can get.
ECAW says
There’s also
https://startpage.com/
and
http://zenmate.en.softonic.com/
Anyone know how they compare?
jihad3tracker says
MY REPLY IS TO COMMENTER “ECAW” — below, posting at 1:20 pm.
Thanks for those 2 anonymizing resources. Just visiting quickly, the “startpage” seems much more likely to be a true proxy. I would prefer it to the Softonic “zenmate” path.
Sites like Softonic use deceptive misdirection to get you to click on downloads which are NOT RELATED to the actual product that you want.
I have gotten loads of unwanted garbage from those unethical creeps. Watch out, friends.
Marlin says
Why not impeach? Joe BIden–nuf said.
PE says
Biden would still be an improvement.
Marlin says
After this last year, you may be right. However, with just 2 more years before we’ll be rid of all of them, it may be better to try and just hang on. But there is always tomorrow and tomorrow has always been worse than yesterday. I can barely stand to get out of bed anymore. Just don’t know anymore…it’s very possible there won’t be a USA in 2 years!
M S case says
Impeach the first black (well oart balck), president…Never happen!!!
voegelinian says
When I go to see Wenstrup, I plan to take a few printouts of materials found on-line. One is of Robert Spencer’s Feb. 8, 2011, article from Human Events, titled “Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood Ties.”
Remember back in 2012 when then (Republican, of course) Congresswoman from Minnesota, Michelle Bachmann and four other House Republicans — Louis Gohmert (Texas), Trent Franks (Ariz.), Lynn Westmoreland (Ga.) and Thomas Rooney (Fla.) — requested Inspector General investigations into “potential Muslim Brotherhood infiltration” of the government. And this small group was shut, and shot, down not only by Democrats, but also the majority of the Republicans, some of whom had the gall to try to smear Bachmann with the M word (“McCarthyism” — doubly reprehensible insofar as M. Stanton Evans and Diana West (among others) have shown that not only was Joe McCarthy right about the danger of Communist infiltration in Washington back in the 40s and 50s, but we now know from the release of records from the aftermath of the fall of the U.S.S.R. that he in fact underestimated that danger).
http://townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/2012/07/20/house_republicans_question_influence_of_muslim_brotherhood/page/full
Bezelel says
Voeg, I remember McCain was one of the denialists who spoke out. His arab spring support was disappointing as well. It was expected somewhat from dems but a shocker from some of the rinos.
gravenimage says
FarmerMike wrote:
Impeaching Obama is what I hope to help accomplish, tho I see that for the Speaker of the House, Cong. Boehner–from right here in Ohio–impeachment is not even on the table. Why? I’m not sure. Maybe he’s following a “disaster capitalism” agenda.
……………………………
Oh, good grief. The concept of “disaster capitalism” comes from Naomi Klein, who has been pushing the idea in her book “The Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism” that the only reason the free market has been flourishing—which she considers a very bad thing—is because politicians have ginned up fake disasters. Her main example of a supposedly fake disaster? Why, the “War on Terror”, of course—aka the JIhad threat.
She is in favor of destroying free trade, and lauds figures such as Hugo Chavez. She cites Lebanon post-2006—when it has been riven by the rise of Hizb’allah, Muslim violence against Christians, and used as a base for Jihad attacks against Israel—as a model.
And the Muslim Observer crowed over her predictions of the (supposed) imminent collapse of the American economy.
None of this should surprise—FarmerMike is a “Truther” who believes that they West itself is responsible for 9/11 and other JIhad terror attacks, in order to create a fake enemy so that we can continue to have a “war economy”, just like during the Cold War.
Also not surprisingly, Naomi Klein—though she claims to be a feminist—has openly embraced the Hijab.
Here’s an enlightening piece from Jaime Glazov, “Why Naomi Wolf Loves the Burqa”:
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/02/why-naomi-wolf-loves-the-burqa/
FarmerMike says
@ graven image: I guess because I’m a farmer, I live in a more evidence-based reality than those who live in an image or idea or ideology-driven world. I call myself a realist.
When I look at the world of politics & economics that we all live in, I understand that farmers and employees are the ones who create the wealth that is harvested & retained & marketed by the owners. And I also see that when too little is given back to the soil, & to the infrastructure [roads, bridges, railroads, schools, etc], & to the middle class [which is taking home less and less every year], while the top 1% takes home billions–this really weakens society. And yet, you & I have to bail the billionaires out when they can’t handle their riches. Does that make me left-winger to make such observations? Or just a realist?
Re 9/11, yes, I do see insiders as *allowing* it to happen, tho of course these insiders were not the actual suicide bombers themselves. That’s obvious. So, go ahead & look at the evidence. So, yes, I do see this insider action being done by highly placed, policy-making government insiders. For what reason? Seems most likely to stimulate & support the permanent war economy. Seeing so, & saying so, simply makes me a realist.
However, I certainly do not agree with Naomi Wolf Kleine when she urges Norwegian women to adopt the veil. She’s wrong there, and does not honor the onward, evidence-based progress of women’s liberation. Does it make me a right-winger to agree with you in this instance? I think it makes me an an evidence-based realist.
As to “permanent war economy,” this concept comes from the mouth of Charles “Electric” Wilson [the CEO of General Electric] in 1944, when he recommended this as a peace-time economic strategy. Wilson understood that it was in fact WWII that brought the US out of the Great Depression, not WPA projects. Must read history to understand that. (See Arthur Herman’s excellent “Freedom’s Forge: How American Business Produced Victory in World War II.”)
Seems to me this permanent war economy is exactly the strategy we’ve been following for the past 70 years or so. It’s this permanent war economy that is keeping our economy going. While also causing constant inflation. Consult history on the disastrous results of out of control inflation.
I certainly agree w/ Robert Spencer & most bloggers on this site, yourself included, that we must help open the eyes of our fellow Americans to the attack by stealth jihad we are presently under, all across this nation. And that we must do some serious governmental housecleaning if we are to correct this on-going disaster. And also open the mouths of the now-silent media lambs. I invite you to join me in this effort.
I’d like to put aside these petty quibbles to a later time when we can review and discuss the maybes & what-ifs of history at a less perilous time. Right now,there’s major housecleaning to be done by impeaching Obama and getting rid of the Muslim Brotherhood agents. We need to see one another as part of the same Housecleaning Team.
Peter says
Apparently, not worried about their religion being “hijacked” or “perverted” or “misunderstood.”
DRDIAS says
Who Are The True Islamaphobes?:
“The true Islamaphobes are not the ones speaking out about a political ideology.
If you read the Qur’an, it teaches a political ideology based on Sharia that even Imams will admit too.
The true Islamaphobes are not the ones speaking out against the Islamist murders, rapes, and honor killings happening right now in the United States.
These are the ones that are unafraid of Islam and the repercussions for insulting their “religion”.
Islamaphobes are not the ones questioning why the so-called “moderate” Muslims are not speaking out.
The true Islamophobes are the media, politicians, and activists that constantly cover up and refuse to report what the Islamists are doing.
They are afraid of being called “racist” and “intolerant.”
They are the ones pushing for an apology when Hamas based CAIR demands one. They hope to appease and befriend them because they are afraid of the Muslim backlash.”
URL: http://madworldnews.com/true-islamaphobes/
bobtherrien says
exactly…jaun Williams was fired from pbs for saying that it worries him to see someone @ an airport in full muslim garb because first and foremost their putting their religion first. pbs fired him cause they’re ISALMPHOBES…they’re afraid of muslims attacking them and their families and network…so firing him shows muslim extremist that they are on their side…like most of the media in the usa…too bad about sun news in Canada…does anyone know what happened to them?
Tim says
I watched Sun News. They were the only TV station offering something other then what Canadian’s got from the MSM, which in Canada seem to speak with one voice adopted from the state run (funded) broadcaster…CBC, a station which is never friendly to conservatives, libertarians, right-wingers, or anyone who still had faith in traditional ways, such as marriage, preserving ‘our’ culture, etc.
Sun News was doomed from the start, with MSM trying their best (especially CBC) to block them from even getting on the airwaves. They arrogantly branded Sun ‘Fox North” which worked. Advertisers were essentially warned not to put their bucks into Sun News. Liberal and lefties insured that this message was broadcast loud and clear.
So, in the end, Sun News ran out of money, and their owners weren’t willing to lose any more. The very liberal, and MSM won out. This is a sad and regretful ending to a media organization that was not afraid to call out the Islamic terror taking over the world. Canadians, as so many Americans, and most Europeans like to see them selves as ‘tolerant’ and liberal’. There is a conservative PM in Canada, but this in no means shows that Canada is ‘conservative;. You can be the Prime Minister with less than 30% of the vote, as the vote here is split many ways. Most Canadians still do not recognize the horrible threat coming from Islamic terrorists. At least for the moment there is a PM who understands the threat. Pray that the election this year doesn’t put in the likes of Trudeau, who is a mirror image of the worst president ever in the USA. I don’t have to say the name.
God bless Robert Spencer for not fearing to speak the truth..
bobtherrien says
thanks so much for the update…I only watched sun news bits thanks to the “aloha snackbar” channel on youtube…most of their post were sun news stuff including “jihad watch” where Michael coren (i’ll miss him) interviews Robert spencer every week…sad story. i’ll miss ezra too!
FarmerMike says
Countess, thanks for the DuckDuckGo suggestion If you’re looking for ways to support a “Great Awakening” of Americans, I’m thinking you might want to go online & order a dozen or more “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers. Be sure to put two on your car. Then maybe go to some churches in your neighborhood, and give them away, somewhat selectively. I’ve had a sit-down talk w/ the priest at the local Catholic Church in my small town. He did not seem very concerned. However, I just got a copy of Robert Spencer’s “Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics: 100 Questions & Answers,” so I’ll make another appointment & show him this little book. Also got a copy of “Sharia Law for Non-Muslims” by Bill Warner. I’ll contact the local Methodist Church, too. Churches have the most to lose from Muslims moving in & imposing Sharia. So, they should be interested in some level of awakening. I just placed an order for 4 “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers.
FarmerMike says
Countess, I also thank you for your philosophical & spiritual thoughts.
jihad3tracker says
Yes, I too appreciate the spirituality in your remarks, Countess.
+++++ Farmer Mike mentioned giving bumper stickers to churches in local neighborhoods. On this coming SATURDAY please look for a strategy by me inserted after one of Robert’s posts, that WE CAN AND MUST URGENTLY USE to awaken Christians who still cling to illusions about “interfaith dialogue” with Muslims. I do not know exactly which post of Robert’s that strategy will be in because it has not been written yet. ++++++
Ric says
Obama’s biases when it comes to Islam are flagrant. No concern is held for Christians, Jews or those outside of the Religion of Peace. Once again in of this petty minded tyrant – America, all Western-Democracies are the root cause of all that ails this forlorn planet.
This so-called Commander-in-Chief has dragged this nation downward to Third World status. Contentment will not be his until there is a mosque on every street corner and we, The People, are subjugated, enslaved by Islam.
Transmaster says
It is amazing how the Sultan of Stupid feels no responsibility for destroying Libya, giving ISIL a foot hold there and facilitating the beheading of 21 Christians. But the is par for the course with such lefties.
boakai ngombu says
why do I feel that this malevolent narcissist is selling out the country?
PE says
Because he is.
PE says
I wonder when we will hear him express the same level of concern for Jews , who are a much more frequent target of hate crimes here around the world. The fact of the matter is that the number of hate crimes against Muslims is much less than against Jews, but Obummer has to reinforce the Muslim victimiaihon narrative.
katherine says
What if Obama decides to seize the US by force before his term is up ? Are there any provisions or fail-safe mechanism in the system to prevent such an event – I mean Practically, not just in Theory.
Edward says
Obama: “Many Muslim Americans across our country are worried and afraid”
Well, I guess our POTUS worries too about a serious Muslim backlash as one of his own out of three. His other concerns could be that he has failed those that has intrusted him (the Muslim Brotherhood) in a scheme that would be an advantage to the Muslim world or perhaps he has learned that the prohets of old had it right.
Micah 4:1-5, 4:9-10, 5:1-5 & Isaiah 2:2-4
Zion’s future hope (4:1–5) This is a later passage, almost identical with Isaiah 2:2–4. Zion (meaning the Temple) will be rebuilt, but by God, and based not on violence and corruption but on the desire to learn God’s laws and live in peace. Further promises to Zion (4:6–7) This is another later passage, promising Zion that she will once more enjoy her former independence and power.
The promised ruler from Bethlehem (5:1–14): This passage is usually dated to the exile.Although chapters 4:9–10 have said that there is “no king in Zion”, these chapters predict the coming Messiah will emerge from Bethlehem, the traditional home of the Davidic monarchy, to restore Israel. Assyria will be stricken, and Israel’s punishment will lead to the punishment of the nations.
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Recently Israel’s PM Netanyahu has made this invitation to his fellow Jews:
“To the Jews of Europe and to the Jews of the world I say that Israel is waiting for you with open arms,”
A wonderful gesture by PM Netanyahu and perhaps a prophetic one. Much has been wrtten about the return of the Jews to their God given homeland. The selected land where G-d’s Son, Jesus Christ… where the coming Messiah was born. Perhaps in the second millinum of the Redeemer’s birth the newly arrival of the better informed Jewish generation will ponder about the birth of Him 2014 years ago and realized that Jesus was really was the One that they have been waiting for. No One else but Him! It’s never too late to receive His Blessing. If G-d’s Son is welcomed now into the Jewish hearts, we can rest assured that the trials and tribulations of the past will stop. Not only for the Jews but rest of the world.
Micah 4:3 He, G-d, will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
A side note: Mr. Netanyahu’s Secular Judaism religion maybe the key to Israel’s conversion to that of the Messianic Judaism…..embracing Jesus Christ as Israel’s true Redeemer!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism
I have reasons to believe that the Jewish people will abide to reason first than emotions when it comes to survival! They are tired of many past strives.
Alpha-Omega
FarmerMike says
We cannot let past blindness cause us to be blind to today’s clear & present danger. Every one of us on this JihadWatch blog has to crank up the courage to contact his/her Congress Person, make an appointment, go see that representative about impeaching Obama, & take along Robert’s 2008 article on “Obama’s Ties to the Muslim Brotherhood,” & any other suitable materials. We cannot let the muddied thinking of our own past, condemn us to passivity today as “Sharia Law” rolls over us. We cannot allow ourselves to be passive “sheeple.” The time for action is now1
tom says
when are you American going to fire this president. he is putting you more and more in danger.
start your on detective / FBI group really exposing Cair /and other people on camera.
S.SuchindranathAiyer says
Since Bush Senior, the White Hice strategy has been to deepen and widen the foot print of Islam and defeat its own tactics and operations constructed to appease US vote fodder. But while the others did it for money, Obama does it for religion.
Rossleigh B says
The battle to win hearts and minds is a flawed concept when dealing with islam. Any conciliation is seen as a weakness to be exploited.