An attempt to explain the mystery, over at FrontPage:
Barack Obama aroused controversy over his affinity with Islam yet again in February 2015, when a photo surfaced from the U.S.-African Leaders’ Summit in August 2014, showing Obama passing by a group of African delegates with his right index finger raised in a gesture strongly reminiscent of the Islamic State’s now notorious one-finger salute.
For the Islamic State and other Muslims, this gesture signifies allegiance to Islam’s absolute monotheism. Whatever Obama may have meant by it, the revelation that he had made the gesture — coming so soon after his renewed refusal at his “Countering Violent Extremism” summit to identify Islamic jihadists as Islamic — raised new questions about Obama’s relationship with Islam. Why won’t Obama identify Islam as having anything to do with the jihadis, when they themselves consistently explain and justify their actions solely in Islamic terms? Why won’t he do anything about mosques in the U.S. with ties to jihad terror? Why does he coddle the Muslim Brotherhood? Why, in sum, does he seem to love Islam so much, even if he isn’t a practicing Muslim?
And it does seem most likely that Obama is indeed not a practicing Muslim, despite the remarkable persistence of rumors and suspicions to the contrary. It is extremely unlikely that a Muslim would publicly proclaim himself a Christian over and over, as Obama has. While it is possible that this would be justified under Islam’s doctrines of deception, there is no evidence that Muslims have ever behaved this way. Ground Zero Mosque imam Faisal Abdul Rauf did say several years ago, “I am a Jew,” but he only said it once, in the context of ecumenical generosity; he didn’t try to pass himself off as one. There is a way in which a Muslim could say he is a true Jew or true Christian because he follows the true teachings of the Torah and the Gospel, but there is no known case of a Muslim behaving this way in a sustained manner. If Obama were a secret Muslim, he would be the first Muslim to carry out such a sustained deception of claiming not to be a Muslim.
There is little doubt, however, given his consistent policies throughout his presidency, that Obama holds Islam in high regard, for whatever mix of personal affection (his father and stepfather were both Muslims) and political calculation (he may believe that calling the jihadis Islamic will alienate Muslim allies of the U.S., such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan, however unreliable those alliances have been). His Administration backed the Muslim Brotherhood regime in Egypt with such loyalty that Egyptian protesters held signs accusing Obama of supporting terrorism. He aided Islamic jihadis to overthrow Gaddafi in Libya and continues to aid those trying to overthrow Assad in Syria. (He insists that those he is backing in Syria are “vetted moderates,” but they have ransacked churches, terrorized Christians, and collaborated with the Islamic State too often for that to ring true.) He has repeatedly called for self-censorship to conform with Islamic blasphemy laws, most memorably declaring at the United Nations, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
And while his Justice Department aggressively pursues businesses and educational institutions to compel them to grant special privileges and accommodations to Muslims, it has shown no similar energy regarding terror-tied mosques in the U.S. Not only do these mosques remain open and their leaders uninvestigated and unprosecuted, but all too often the only contact law enforcement officials have with them is for “outreach.”
Only Obama knows what he may be thinking in all this, but a few conclusions seem obvious: he is afraid that speaking honestly about the jihadis’ motives and goals will alienate actual and potential Muslim allies. Since he believes Islam to be a peaceful religion, he doesn’t accept the idea that Muslims become jihadis because the Qur’an and Sunnah exhort them to do so. That leaves only the grievances that Islamic advocacy groups (and jihad groups) endlessly retail as the fundamental engine of the “radicalization” of Muslims – so Obama apparently sees redressing those grievances as the primary means of preventing Muslims from becoming terrorists.
This has led to foreign and domestic policies of accommodation and appeasement, along with an ominously cavalier stance at best toward the First Amendment’s protection of the freedom of speech. Coupled with a dogmatic refusal to identify properly those who have vowed to destroy the United States and address their belief system and ideology, Obama’s stance toward Islam is a recipe for catastrophe. The United States is weaker and more vulnerable for it.
somehistory says
It doesn’t matter what he calls himself. The question is, What would the True God say about him?
And, If he said that is is islamic, then he would be admitting that he is welcoming the *brothers* of is into the country and into the government.
(Revelation 13)
mortimer says
As far as Christian theology is concerned, it does actually matter what Barack Obama calls himself. As far as Islam is concerned, it matters that he does not call himself a Muslim…to anyone. I have no doubt that President Obama is speaking in a ‘politic’ manner when he says ‘religion of peace’. I believe he is singing from the Saudi ambassador’s hymn book and that it has a great deal to do with the price of oil, but nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
somehistory says
The Bible clearly shows that a Christian is one who knows and follows the example of Christ, keeping His commandments to the best of his ability.
It is clear that this guy who claims to be a Christian does not know or follow the example of Christ and is not keeping the commandments of Christ.
One can call himself a tree, but if he isn’t putting on leaves, growing roots and living on water, sunshine and carbon dioxide, putting out oxygen, then that one is not a tree. That one may be producing fruit, but if it’s rotten, then it isn’t Christian.
So, he can say he’s a Christian, but his other words, such as bold lies, and calling the beast peaceful, prove otherwise. muslims seem to thrive on lies. He fits right in.
Walter Sieruk says
The scholar, Thomas Sowell, did have a good and valid point when writing about the threats ad dangers posed by the jihad Islam and Obama. For Mr. Sowell wrote “We will be lucky to get through the remainder of Obama’s term without a major catastrophe from which we might or might no recover.”
mortimer says
Agree. Congress can ‘persuade’ the President to see things their way.
Spot On says
Thomas Sowell also has said that if we lost a city or two to an Islamic WMD, he fears that Obama may surrender.
Jaladhi says
Why quibble over small details, his actions clearly shows him to be a Muslims!! In last six years how many times he has shown his respect fro islam and Muslims while bashing Christians (of USA), Hindus(of India), Buddhists(of Sri Lanka and Myanmar) which only a Muslim supremacist will do and nobody else!! After his term expires, one may see a fake conversion to Islam or a full disclosure that he is a Muslim!!
Spot On says
Could be that all those Mosques in the inner cities including Chicago and then Farrakan’s crowd comprise a significant core support group. This along with large Saudi checks, could make for a strong motivation for him not to “disturb the peace” of Islam.
katnis says
That’s a sick and sad conclusion. Our forefathers fought to build our country, the land of the free and the brave. How stupid we were to elect a president who seems determined to take things in the opposite direction. Little by little, inch by inch, line by line, we see bits of freedom being taken away.
Clinton went through the impeachment process for lying to the public. What about this guy? Isn’t not correctly naming something a lie?
Papa Whiskey says
Obama is not a Muslim, for adherence to that creed would require him to venerate something besides the guy he sees in his selfies. His finger salute was nothing more than a gesticulatory dog-whistle of the sort he keeps giving to blacks, such as his statements that “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon” or that “the Cambridge police acted stupidly” in the Henry Louis Gates flapdoodle. The dog-whistle message is, “Yo, brothers — I’m down with you, not them.
biff says
Progressives are really the original enemy of the United States.
If progressives didn’t constantly spout their nonsense about the environment, Islam, economy we woudn’t have this issue.
The Moslims would be happily killing each other on the other side of the earth and people would be buying oil from Canada over a pipeline.
They can ride camels and behead each other for another millennium and nobody will give a shit.
A Muslim killing a Muslim is like a gang fight. Society wins. It’s a problem taking care out itself.
Boston Tea Party says
I completely agree with Robert’s assessment that Obama is not actually a Muslim–and Robert outlined the reasons very well.
I think most of us would agree, though, that in regards to advocacy of policy, political inclination, and sentiment towards Islam, there is very little functional difference between most Muslims and most leftist Multiculturalists. So really, it’s a bit of a moot point.
wildjew says
I respectfully disagree. I don’t think he converted to Christianity.
“And I told him, ‘Well, you already know the Muslim piece of your background ,’” Wright continued. “‘ You studied Islam, didn’t you?’ And Barack said, ‘Yeah, Rev, I studied Islam. But help me understand Christianity, because I already know Islam.’ And I said, ‘Well, let’s start from the beginning. Who do you say Jesus is? Let’s boil it down to the basics.’” “Did you convert Obama from Islam to Christianity?” I asked Wright. “That’s hard to tell,” Wright replied . “I think I convinced him that it was okay for him to make a choice in terms of who he believed Jesus is. And I told him it was really okay and not a putdown of the Muslim part of his family or his Muslim friends.”
The Amateur by Edward Klein (p. 40)
I think Obama is a non-practicing Muslim. If he converted then he is still a Muslim, only he is an apostate. I doubt there are many Muslims around the world who think Obama is anything other than a fellow Muslim. According to Islamic law he is a Muslim. Religion follows the father The fact that Obama has a congenital or a chronic problem telling the truth adds credibility to the view he is a Muslim who is feigning to be a Christian, and not a very good one at that.
Don McKellar says
Does Obama ever say that he is NOT a moslem? Maybe I’ve missed it, but I have never heard him say he was not. Just like other deceptive moslems who call themselves Christians like slumlord Faisal Abdul Rauf did, as you point out. Is there a quote where he actual affirms that his not a moslem? All he seems to say is “I’m a Christian.” Sure, we may be unaware of public cases where a moslem undergoes such deception for such a period of time, but it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened in the past and isn’t happening now. People have gone deep undercover for years and years for political and religious causes. It’s not impossible at all.
wildjew says
“Sure, we may be unaware of public cases where a moslem undergoes such deception for such a period of time, but it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened in the past and isn’t happening now…..”
Furthermore I know of no past U.S. president who was Muslim-born; who came from generations of Muslims on his father’s side of the family. We are not talking about an ordinary American Muslim citizen. We are talking about the president of the United States who was elected only a few years out from the September 11, 2001 attacks, whose been president for six years while “violent extremism” by his fellow Muslims has exploded in parts of the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. Perhaps he will come clean one day. I doubt he will while he is in the White House.
Jay Boo says
Obama wades through the many mucky swamps of Islam attempting to get all his Muslim ducks in a row.
vlparker says
Robert makes some valid points, but Obama’s insistence that he is a Christian is meaningless. He lies like the rest of us breathe. You know people by their actions, not their words. Actions tell us what the person truly is, not what one professes to be, and all his actions, from bowing to the Saudi King to supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya, tells me that he is muslim through and through. I’ve never seen any similar actions on his part that display an affinity for Christianity. All I have is his word for it and his word isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit.
boakai ngombu says
” … but Obama’s insistence that he is a Christian is meaningless..”
it is both meaningless and tragic. POTUS is an impenitent sinner, notably because, as you observe, he lies readily. He also seems to be vengeful, full of envy. He seems to lack compassion and is filled with pride. He only follows these habits more and does not seem to be desiring to change from their ruinous course. [I make these observations, of course, from afar; I am a sinner as well and do not imitate Christ well.)
as an impenitent, POTUS has fallen from the grace of his Savior and Lord, even as he maintains his insistence to be a disciple. He seems to be unacquainted with the righteousness available to him though faith in the Savior and Lord, especially as he makes many decisions and supports actors who deny the Savior and Lord and wish to destroy any understanding of Him.
an impenitent is apostate. if POTUS remains so he will hear the condemnation to hell due the faithless.
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Angemon says
Richie says
I think he is a Muslim, and a year or two after leaving office he will claim to convert ‘convert’ to Islam. he’s already there. Remember, lying is allowed and promoted in Islam
traci94 says
agreed
pongidae rex says
The only precedent would be F D Roosevelt giving a NAZI salute and deflecting unease about German aggression in Europe with warnings against NaziPhobi. Thankfully, this never happened. The USA elected presidents with balls back then.
We are stuck with a treasonous president for another two years. Our entire political system is broken. When the day comes that we cannot print money out of thin air, and that day is coming, the USA is screwed. Our political system presents us with a choice of clowns each election.
traci94 says
It is so obvious that he does not have America’s best interest at heart. It seems he wants to leave us vulnerable at every turn, such as disbanding the DHS, allowing floods of immigrants to come over here knowing that terrorists are embedded in the swarms. He traded 5 top terrorists for the traitor Bowe Bergdahl. WHY CAN’T HE BE STOPPED?? He is running around doing whatever he pleases. An old poly sci teacher of mine used to always say, this is a government by the people, of the people and for the people (I might have mixed that up), but I don’t believe it for one bit. We are left with very little voice right now as our government stomps all over us and our rights. Can we get a petition going or something???
anthony freeman says
No offense to Islam gives Obama more power when he replaces Ban Ki-moon as Secretary General of theU.N.. Then the world will be in for some real sharia compliance. But I say,”Offending religious sentiments and memes is integral to enlightenment and breaking through today’s ‘sacred circle’.” Perhaps It is time to recognize the Sharia Curtain, like the Iron Curtain of the last century, and then we can tear it down and keep it from advancing its harm on humanity.
Anthony Freeman says
Obama wants to be the next Secretary General of the U.N. He does not want to offend the OIC. Sharia compliance enforced by Article 1 of the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
William Lucas HarveyJr. says
Maybe ? not a “PRACTICING” Muslim ? (a Statement that is VERY debatable).
However, with MANY ties with Islam, with Muslim Appointees throughout the ENTIRE Obama Administration, and quite Obviously PRO Islam, Islam Sympathizing, Muslim Pandering, and “Protective” of Islam and the Islamists.
VERY apparently, Anti America, Anti Constitution, Anti Christian, which IS all well DOCUMENTED through his many Publicised Words, Deeds, and Actions.
Even though there will always be those in DENIAL, with their “Heads in the Sand”, who will Refuse to Accept, and who will IGNORE the DOCUMENTED FACTS, even though they are right there in front of their Faces.
I feel that the American feelings that Obana is a Muslim, are well justified.
Anthony Freeman says
Why? He wants to be Secretary General of the U. N. No offending the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) and Islam. Wait till he tweaks the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to be sharia compliant with regards to offending Islam or Muhammad.
Wellington says
Robert Spencer’s assessment comes as close to the truth as anyone has who has opined about Obama’s religious convictions. This doesn’t necessarily mean that Spencer could not be wrong in this assessment of his, but from a probability perspective I’d say he nailed it. I would add this one thing, however, to Spencer’s assessment and that is when gauging Obama on most anything, not just on Islam, I think it best to keep in mind that there’s not much there there. Obama is tactically intelligent in a Chicago political kind of way, but overall he is a very underwhelming human being and so there is less there than meets the eye at first and not more.
I would strongly suggest to anyone who wants to assess Obama not to overlook this “feature” of his. I mean the man has a dismal knowledge of history, thinks “Austrian” is a language (you can Google this), amazingly mispronounced “corpsmen” by sounding the “p” and “s,” clearly has missed a great deal about America’s greatness, has embraced dictators while dissing leaders who lead free nations (e.g., Harper and Netanyahu), and has demonstrated a woeful knowledge of how a successful economy works (e.g., his statement that “free” birth control will be supplied to women and also his inability, as demonstrated in the 2008 debate in Philadelphia, to understand something as basic as the capital gains tax)——among other examples of his deficient make-up. In fact, he’s probably just mushyheaded enough to think that all religions are basically the same and so being a Christian or being a Muslim is just two sides of the same coin. Yes, I think he’s this shallow.
wildjew says
Wellington, respectfully like Hillary Clinton says, “What difference does it make,” whether we think Obama is a Muslim or a Christian or no religion? According to Islamic law, Barack Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. It does not matter whether Obama is a non-practicing Muslim or an atheist. I have known “ethnic” Jews who were non-practicing Jews; who were self-identified atheists. According to Jewish law they are Jews. They identified as and with Jews just as Obama has deep sympathies for (and I believe identifies with) Islam, whether he says it openly or not.
Wellington says
I agree with you, wildjew, that it doesn’t make much of a difference at all. The effect of Obama’s highly ill-considered policies, whatever the motivation, is still the same, to wit, to put America and Israel and all the West in greater danger. It is really and ultimately only of academic and theoretical interest why Obama stupidly acts as he does. As Coulter has put it, “Liberals are either traitors or idiots and when it comes to matters of national security the difference is irrelevant.”
On a related note, and considering you are Jewish, I would be interested in your take on how much longer American Jews will continue to support the Democratic Party? To say it’s not in their best interest to do so would be an understatement (ditto for black Americans but for different reasons). Yes, I know the Republican Party is far from perfect, but I still would maintian that it remains, easily so, the best friend of Israel throughout all the world and it has invited Netanyahu to speak before a joint session on March 3rd, which quite tellingly many Democrats have said they will boycott. I’m reminded here of what FDR said and that is that it’s time to turn Lincoln’s portrait to the wall (in order to garner black votes which up until the early 1930s voted overwhelmingly Republican because the Democratic Party was clearly and properly identified with white racism but which, to the Democratic Party of FDR’s era to its credit, except in the South, no longer was). Well, I would say it’s time to turn FDR’s picture to the wall considering how the Congressional Black Caucus (which is a national disgrace) and so many other Democrats have, in effect, abadonned support of Israel. What say you, wildjew?
Kepha says
No, Uncle Kepha doubts that Obama is a Muslim in any meaningful sense of the word. He isn’t even as “Muslim” as the swarthy guy who has been regularly attending your Trinitarian, Evangelical Christian church with his U.S.-born wife and kids for the past umpteen years and freely admits he finds the Gospel more attractive than the Qur’an (but who hasn’t yet gotten around to getting baptized himself–even though he’s been all smiles each time one of his three sons was).
Diplomad 2.0 has a number of discussions on the topic. I’ll join the side that thinks:
(1) While somewhat intelligent, the O doesn’t really have the intellectual power to develop a truly coherent wordlview.
(2) The O’s religion is whatever advances the career of BHO, Jr.
(3) The O’s gesture was simply saying, “Hi, y’all” to the cameras.
(4) and asks, “Will the real Barack Obama please stand up?”
Wellington says
I would maintain, Kepha, that your assessment, which came only four minutes after mine, is very compatible with what I averred. Hope you and family are doing well.
Kepha says
We’re OK, thanks. Hope all’s well with you and yours, Wellington.
It’s just that I get tired of all this “Obama is a Muslim, otherwise he wouldn’t be making the mess he is making” stuff. The fact of the matter is that next to the Bible, the pieces of writing I believe most are Murphy’s Law and The Peter Principle–if something can go wrong, it will; people get promoted to their level of incompetency.
Mac-101 says
I’d say follow da money. Why do the Saudis, Red Chinese and BANKSTERS give him and his supporters BIG BUCKS? How does he git 85% of the Jewish vote and 90% of the Muslim vote?
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I think his job is to destroy America and establish the New World Order for the Trans National Global Elites and create WWIII, which will result in Israel bein destroyed and Israel retaliatin with da Sampson Option.
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The BANKSTERS will then rebuild Jerusalem and make it the center for world government, finance and rebuild da Temple for Satan’s Beast’s 42 month rule!
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Do NOT renounce Jesus Christ nor take da mark of da BEAST!
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PS: Has anyone seen him eat PIG? Dat’s da biggest NoNo and one can not become clean till after 40 days pass. Dat bein said I’d say he is a puppet for the NWO and a tool of Satan!
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With Obolanet after ObolaCare, that brings us, da USSA up to late 1938 in our Transformation to Nazi Germany! Remember Hitler only had the support of 33% of the German people. Obola got 50% of people in America!
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David says
This is the reason why Obama reacts differently to you guys.
You get quoted often 2:191 but never 2:190 which is the beginning of that Sura’s dialogue about war. Muhammad clearly states that Muslims are not to attack unless first attacked. That verse clearly proves that the Quran teaches peace and not to kill first but only for Muslims to defend themselves if attacked.
That verse proves that Jihad is not a form of war to aggress but in the west known as the ‘right to self defense’. Clearly there is an attempt to distort this truth and keep it from people here lest they find out the truth that Islam is not a war mongering religion and that the Quran clearly specifies not to attack or begin hostilities unless attacked first. People who will believe this version without checking the truth for themselves are the same as those Muslims who don’t check what they are being taught by extremist groups.
The interpretation of the Quran presented here is exactly the one presented by ISIS but it is not the widely accepted interpretation accepted by the 1.6 billion Muslims.
Now Quran 3:7 points out that the Quran can be misused by those with bad ambitions but that those who use the Quran to destroy and cause trouble are wrong and going against the Quran.
Again read it for yourself.
Here are quotes from the Quran about 2:190 the verse that comes before ‘kill them wherever you find them which is being misquoted out of context by Robert Spencer to mislead others about the peaceful nature of Muhammad and the Quran.
There are numerous translations of this verse by credible translators which clearly show the Quran States that Muslims are not to attack first. This verse 2:190 is being deliberately withheld from you guys here. Why? To deliberately distort the meaning of a Holy Book in order to promote a view is what every extremist group does yet this site claims they are against extremists yet are doing the same.
2:190 shows clearly Muslims are not to begin hostilities or attack fist so why is t that clearly stated on this website? It would make entirely clear that it is not the Quran which is promoting Jihad and war but those who are not obeying the Quran.
Folks. God gave you a mind to investigate reality and truth for yourselves. you should not believe blindly.
The reason I come here is because you are all entitled to the truth about the Quran and Muhammad and you’re not getting it but being fed a distorted cherry picked interpretation of Islam not what 1.6 billion Muslims believe.
Obama seems to also accept that view that the Quran does not teach offensive warfare. Don’t forget even the Quran 3:7 says that it can be misused and abused by troublemakers who want to use the Quran for their own ends. But the Quran condemns them not exalts terrorists who use the Quran for their ambition.
Quran Sura 2:190
George Sale
“And fight for the religion of GOD against those who fight against you; but transgress not by attacking them first, for GOD loveth not the transgressors.”
Excerpt From: “The Koran (Al-Qur’an).”
“And fight for the cause of God against those who fight against you: but commit not the injustice of attacking them first: God loveth not such injustice”
Excerpt From: Muhammad. “The Koran translated by Rodwell.”
“[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.”
Excerpt From: Dr. Rashad Khalifa Ph.D. “Quran: The Final Testament – Authorised English Version.” Dr. Rashad Khalifa Ph.D.
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.”
Excerpt From: Pickthall, Marmaduke. “The Meaning Of The Glorious Quran.”
Wellington says
Just more excuse making, David. Just like mentioning Sura 5:32 while not mentioning Sura 5:33.
Don’t you see, David, how tiring all this is? What other religion has to go to great lengths, or any lengths for that matter, to explain why one verse in its religious literature cannot be “properly understood” unless another verse is, all the while many of this religion’s adherents keep maiming and killing in the name of their faith? As Robert Spencer himself has asked on innumerable occasions, if Islam is such a peaceful, wonderful religion, how is it that so many Muslims keep getting this peaceful, wonderful religion so wrong?
Also digest this: The character of Mohammed has psychopath, narcissist, pedophile, bandit, fraud, etc. written all over it. I would not say this of Jesus, Buddha, Zoroaster, Confucius, Lao-Tzu, …………… Really, David, as long as you cling to Mohammed as a good man, when he was anything but, then to the extent you do you will be a confused human being. As John Quincy Adams, America’s sixth President, asserted, Mohammed was one of the most wickedly influential men in history.
Truly, David, quit your parsing. So many regular commenters here at JW are way, way beyond this by now. And yes, I know you claim your’re a Bahai, but to the extent your claimed religion still continues to admire Mohammed then to that extent is it terribly, perhaps irretrievably, wrong.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Explaining the Holy Ko-Ran as a peace document is building a house of cards with half the cards empty holes in the structure, and many other cards left unexplained. Apologetics has a special meaning with the Islam.
But those who try such foolishness dare not even bring up the Sunnah.
Champ says
Apparently David has never heard of a very important islamic principle known as “abrogation” …
Excerpt:
Orthodox Islam does not accept that a rendering of the Quran into another language is a “translation” in the way that, say, the King James Bible is a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. A point often made by Islamic apologists to defang criticism is that only Arabic readers may understand the Quran. But Arabic is a language like any other and fully capable of translation. Indeed, most Muslims are not Arabic readers. In the below analysis, we use a translation of the Quran by two Muslim scholars, which may be found here. All parenthetical explanations in the text are those of the translators save for my interjections in braces, { }.
Those Westerners who manage to pick up a translation of the Quran are often left bewildered as to its meaning thanks to ignorance of a critically important principle of Quranic interpretation known as “abrogation.” The principle of abrogation — al-naskh wa al-mansukh (the abrogating and the abrogated) — directs that verses revealed later in Muhammad’s career “abrogate” — i.e., cancel and replace — earlier ones whose instructions they may contradict. Thus, passages revealed later in Muhammad’s career, in Medina, overrule passages revealed earlier, in Mecca. The Quran itself lays out the principle of abrogation:
2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We {Allah} abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
From “Islam 101”:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101
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David, educate yourself.
Western Canadian says
It’s sad and pathetic, to see someone struggling so hard, and wasting so much life and energy, all while being so blind that he will never see or hear the truth that is all around him.
Angemon says
David posted:
“This is the reason why Obama reacts differently to you guys.”
Huh, do you know why Obama acts the way he does? Are you privy to the inner workings of Obama’s mind?
“You get quoted often 2:191 but never 2:190 which is the beginning of that Sura’s dialogue about war. Muhammad clearly states that Muslims are not to attack unless first attacked. That verse clearly proves that the Quran teaches peace and not to kill first but only for Muslims to defend themselves if attacked.
That verse proves that Jihad is not a form of war to aggress but in the west known as the ‘right to self defense’.”
False. Islam is not just the quran but also the sira (biography) and the sunna (example) of muhammad. And from the sira, 2:191 was “revealed” to justify the attacks on Meccan trade caravans by muhammad and his gang of muslims.
Muhammad left Mecca after angering the Meccans by attacking their gods and ancestors. After moving into Medina, he and his gang attacked Meccan trade caravans. One attack fell inside a season called “the holy months”, a time of the year where the tribes of the region agreed not to attack one another. Even worse, they killed a Meccan. 2:19X was “revealed” to justify the attack – yes, muslims from Medina went into the sedert, chased,attacked and killed Meccans during the holy months, but, according to the convenient “revelation”, the meccans “persecuted” the muslims first (by reacting to muhammad insulting their gods and ancestors), therefore is was perfectly OK to go and look for them and attack them, even if it meant going against the societal norms of the time. Oh, and muhammad was entitled to 20% of the booty from the raids – another reason to try to excuse what his thugs did.
“Clearly there is an attempt to distort this truth and keep it from people here lest they find out the truth that Islam is not a war mongering religion”
That’s blatantly false. Islam has a doctrine mandating warfare against non-muslims for the reason of them not being muslims.
“and that the Quran clearly specifies not to attack or begin hostilities unless attacked first.”
Ha ha. No, it doesn’t.
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quran 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
quran 9:30
The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
The quran mandates warfare against Jews and Christians for associating partners with allah. Note that Jews don’t consider Ezra to be the son of God. Shouldn’t a divinity know that?
“People who will believe this version without checking the truth for themselves are the same as those Muslims who don’t check what they are being taught by extremist groups.”
And we just saw why what you postulated was utter BS.
“The interpretation of the Quran presented here is exactly the one presented by ISIS but it is not the widely accepted interpretation accepted by the 1.6 billion Muslims.”
Yes, it is. And it has been throughout history.
“Now Quran 3:7 points out that the Quran can be misused by those with bad ambitions but that those who use the Quran to destroy and cause trouble are wrong and going against the Quran.”
No, it doesn’t. It says that the quran’s verses are precise and that muslims need to believe in ALL of it, not on some unspecific parts – which is exactly what you’re doing by saying that 2:190 is the rule for warfare being only defensive (and even that designation is dubious, considering the context in which was “revealed”) while ignoring the 9th chapter, which mandates offensive warfare against Jews and Christians for not being muslims.
The rest of your post is just a rewording of what you said above.
IQ al Rassooli says
Angemon you replied PERFECTLY to David who most probably has a different name otherwise he is most definitely a very STUPID person like ALL Politically Correct dim wits trying to be clever
Most important of all is the FACT that Allah mandated ABROGATION in Muhammad’s Quran (Muhammad is Allah of course) where by EVERY single conciliatory verse allegedly revealed in Mecca was and is ABROGATED (made Null & Void) by the later verses from Medina starting with Al Tawba 9.05 (called the FIGHTING verse)
NO follower of Muhammad can revoke this without discrediting the whole of the Quran
Moreover, as you so rightly pointed out Muhammad & his THUGS (followed by all the Muslims thereafter) Conquered Slaughtered Subjugated & Enslaved hundreds of millions of peoples on three continents who did not even know where Arabia was let alone aggress against Arabs
Starting with Muhammad ALL Muslims were always the Aggressors and NEVER the Victims even as we speak today!
Yet Muslims invariably Cry Baby with their usual duplicity and hypocrisy pretending to be the victims
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
He won’t call the Jihad an Islamic operation because he can’t bear the truth. The same goes for all our leaders and politicians, and even our generals. This is so because nobody wants to admit the horrible and *terrifying* truth of this most serious and even grave matter. Grave, get it?
We’ve retrogressed since Prez Dubya’s famous whopper than Islam is a religion of peace. The project then was to advance the knowledge of the Infidel population to where it would be accepted that Islam is a religion of war, and plan what to do about it. Instead, after 6 yrs of Prez Barack Hussein, now we’re hoping we can get back to Dubya’s implication that Islamic extremism is the cause of all the trouble.
Oh, in addition to fear of the truth there is the inevitable charges of racism, xenophobia, supremacism blah blah blaaah that is keeping mouths, and minds, shut tight.
Martin Vink says
We should not throw logic to the wind.
In the first place, Obama’s brand of Christianity should be questioned. His relationships with “Criminal (Civil) Rights” groups should be questioned. His history of associations, including Valerie Jarret, should be questioned. His connections with the Moslem Brotherhood need to be questioned.
The possibility that Obama is willing to deceive us should not be dismissed as an error of judgement.
Then there is the matter of his loathing of the Constitution that he swore to defend. We need to look at his actions and the danger in those actions in breaking up the foundation upon which the United States was built.
It is therefore illogical to concede any statement that Obama makes as truth until we see the whole picture. We need to join the dots. The possibility that Obama is a traitor, with malice aforethought, should not be dismissed as a sincere, but misguided, philosophy.
The weakness in our system is that the countervaling power of Congress can be negated by the self-interest of the Left in trying to remain popular and therefore endorsing Obama as a Santa Claus that people are willing to believe in. If it were not for this weakness, Obama would be impeached and he might be found to be a traitor.
abad says
Obama is not a Christian He is a Muslim. Our next president will be a Christian. An Obama needs to be impeached for violating the Constitution.
bobm says
you cannot serve 2 masters Mr. Obama; you must stand for one or the other… Jesus said …The luke warm I will spit out of my mouth…islam is antichrist Mr Obama…we must pray for you.
gerard says
I’ve got a nice one finger gesture for that fellow but it wouldn’t be my index finger.
David says
The reason Obama refuses to associate extremist groups with Islam is that the Quran condemns and denounces them.
Groups like ISIS exist using the allegorical verses of the Quran to justify their goals. Their goals are all apocalyptic and revolve around th Day of Judgement in the Quran.
This verse in the Quran condemns unequivocally terrorist groups and individuals who misuse the verses of the Quran to ‘seek discord’ and to mislead. The Quran clearly condemns anyone using the Quran’s allegorical meanings to create dissension, discord and to mislead which ISIS and others do.
Pickthall: He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations – they are the substance of the Book – and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
Yusuf Ali: He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:” and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Shakir: He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.
David says
I just want to add about Quran 3:7 that most if not all of these extremist groups justify their existence on the Apocalyptic verses of the Quran which are allegorical and about the Day of Judgement.
The Quran condemns those who do this and condemns and does not support divisions created within Islam based upon the allegorical verses of the Quran. So groups basing their existence on these verses are not ‘Islamic’ and are disowned by the Quran.
CogitoErgoSum says
Anyone who willfully sends a message that is unspecific and knows that it is so unspecific that only he knows its true meaning and that it will definitely be misinterpreted and cause deviation from its true meaning is an idiot for sending such a message in the first place . The very definition of “god” would preclude the god from doing such an idiotic thing. I think Quran 3:7 is telling me that Muhammad is the idiot who is pretending to speak for God ….. but then I could be misinterpreting it….. which is what “Allah” knows and wants. So I guess I’m just following “Allah’s will and have no other choice in the matter. Only “Allah” knows for sure ……. and certainly you do not.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…his father and stepfather were both Muslims…[therefore] … a few conclusions seem obvious…”
On his own account, by claiming to be Christian, President Obama is an Apostate from Islam. Barack Obama was born Muslim; if he subsequently chose to leave Islam and identify as a non Muslim then any traditional Muslim will conclude that he is an Apostate. If President Obama in his own private space still considers himself to have remained a Muslim, then he hasn’t been at all honest with the American People. Taking the President at his own word, that he has left Islam and embraced Christianity, he has a moral duty to speak openly and frequently about freedom of choice regarding faith, as a universal and international human right, and should be championing the plight, not only of religious groups like the Baha’i, but also scholars such as Ibn Warraq and many thousands of persecuted Apostate individuals throughout the Muslim and non Muslim world.
sidney penny says
“He has repeatedly called for self-censorship to conform with Islamic blasphemy laws, most memorably declaring at the United Nations, “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.””
I love the cartoon that went with this statement where Ahmadinejad ( Iran President as the time) is waiting to give his speech at the UN and complains that Obama has swiped his speech!
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/images-11.jpeg
Davegreybeard says
@David
“The Quran condemns those who do this and condemns and does not support divisions created within Islam based upon the allegorical verses of the Quran. So groups basing their existence on these verses are not ‘Islamic’ and are disowned by the Quran.”
Well David, it seems that you are guilty of “bidah” in that you seek to innovate and obfuscate what is clearly and plainly written, for all to see, in Allah’s Quran.
“As for those in whose hearts is perversity, they follow the allegorical verses, seeking to mislead and seeking to give (their own) interpretation. None know their (i.e., allegorical verses’) interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge…” (3:7)
ISIS would have your head for such blasphemy! And they would be quite correct to do so.
But what do you have to say of uswa hasana “The Model of Conduct?”
When Muhammad and his band of Jihadis attacked the peaceful oasis of Khaybar and massacred those that dwelled there, was it not overt aggression?
What of the torture of kinana, on Muhammad’s command? And what of the rape of Safiya, his wife, later that very night, by Muhammad al insan al kamil “The Perfect Man?”
Is this the type of man you are, David? Is Muhammad your “Model of Conduct?”
IQ al Rassooli says
Davegreybeard SUPERB reply based entirely – as usual – on Muhammad’s Quran
Obama is a MUSLIM because not ONCE did he say he left Islam and the sign of the finger made ALL those other Muslims very HAPPY! Every day Obama is defying ALL about his Islam
I have been asserting the following for almost a decade~
It is by Divine Will (Qidra Ilahiyyah) & Divine Justice (Haq or Adel Ilahi) that the very Hadiths that explain to Muhammad’s followers his Quran & his Sunna, are the very same that Utterly DISCREDIT Muhammad as as a prophet and the divine origin of his Quran
Since Allah is NOT the same as the God of the Bible then it is OBVIOUS that the whole of the Quran emanated from the warped secretions of Muhammad’s mind
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Lee Poteet says
Obama has surrounded himself with Muslims to the point of having Muslim Valerie Jarrett living in the White House with he, his wife and children. His view of Christians and Jews is tortured in the extreme in a negative sense as his view of Islam is primarily a fantasy. He is threatening the safety and the future of this country as no other president ever has before and Congress does not know how to handle him.
Melanie Burn says
My husband and i are Canadians but watch CNN and Fox News and other American news channels all the time. We are kind of news junkies i guess. We have watched all the debate about President Obama and wonder what more he is going to do to the United States before he is impeached! There must be grounds to do so somewhere with all the different issues he is supporting daily! We are concerned for our southern neighbors as it appears to us that Obama is bashing the US constantly and trying his best to bang through policies that are of grave concern to Americans and rightfully so! Just on Immigration we read that if he is able to push through his immigration policy as is, immigrants that file income tax would have a refund of up to $24,000.00 each! No wonder 26 States have sued him to stop this policy! It just seems to go on and on with Obama trying to push through many different policies that are not in the best interest of Americans before his 2 years are up. Hopefully he can be stopped before he does something that will seriously impact all of the States! We will be watching with interest and pray that the new Congress will stop him in time. We wish you all the best!
wildjew says
Unfortunately, too many Republicans, especially Republican leaders are afraid to stand up to Mr. Obama I believe largely, though not solely, due to his race.
Lioness says
In the past, you could disagtee with any president and that was OK. But disagreeing with Obama immediately labels you a racist. How convenient.
wildjew says
For the life of me, I do not understand why any conservative or Republican is afraid of being called a racist because they publicly challenge Obama. It does not bother me in the least when an Obama-supporter calls me a racist because I despise what he is doing in particular in the Middle East, to Israel, to this nation’s security, etc. Why would it bother a person critical of Barack Obama unless he or she is in fact a racist?
Brian Hoff says
The GOP since the crooked Nixon was forced to resign they want to impeach than demoncrate elect prestent for the longest time. They have no ground to remove this president from office. When are you Canadian impreach your prime minister for being Islamophobia from office.
M S case says
Impeach the first black (well part black) president??… Never Happen!!!
.Even if he was found to be a member if ISIS I don’t think he would be impeached.
That’s just the way of things today
duh_swami says
Not a Muslim? Ask him if he believes Allah is God, and Mohammad his messenger, and watch him squirm…Never trust anyone who believes Allah is God…
duh_swami says
I’m getting a little fed up with disappearing posts…Why bother?
Caveman says
Well it’s all in the name; Barack Hussein Obama.
Islofob IS-1 says
No Christian can hold much regard of islam, it would call into question ones judgement , knowledge, and understanding .Prayers for the followers of islam to see the light would be suggested, at best.
Christians must reject the faith of islam , not support it with regard.
What can be gained by following the man, Muhammad?
Bill Coleman says
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, is accepted by other ducks, defends other ducks, eats duck food, poops duck poop, etc., ITS A DUCK!!!!!!!
umpkin says
Date: Tue, Feb 24, 2015 11:24 AM
Subject:Obama and lim brotherhood
Why Pres. Obama Won’t Say Islamic Terrorists
No one doubts that Pres. Obama knows that most of the terrorist attacks in the world are caused by Islamic terrorists; that Christians and others are being persecuted, enslaved robbed, shot, burned, beheaded, buried alive and driven out of their homes all over the Middle East by Islamic terrorists.
Pres. Obama is fully aware that women are second class citizens in Muslim countries; that CAIR is a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood; that the terrorist group Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood; that the Muslim Brotherhood has often aligned itself with Al Qaeda, other Islamic terrorist organizations and more. Pres. Obama can’t help but know these things.
He also most certainly knows that he has two dozen or more Muslim Brotherhood operatives (called terrorists in Egypt) in his administration; that he has promoted some of these operatives/terrorists to high positions in his administration; that his CIA Director is a Muslim; that Hillary Clinton’s Chief of Staff was the daughter and sister of Muslim Brotherhood leaders and more.
These things have been reported many times but I mention them here because they could have a bearing on why Pres. Obama won’t say, “Islamic terrorists.” It could be that he won’t say it because he has given Muslim Brotherhood members/terrorists the keys to the White House.
It was recently reported that Pres. Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt, said, “ISIS and all other Islamic extremists descended from the Muslim Brotherhood.” When he was asked which terrorist group is the greatest threat, ISIS or the Muslim Brotherhood, he replied that they are essentially the same because “they share the same ideology.” Pres. el-Sisi went on to say that all of the terrorist groups in existence today (including ISIS) have their beginnings in the Muslim Brotherhood.
Along these same lines, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at the United Nations where he said that ISIS and Hamas (an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood) are “branches of the same poisonous tree.” He said they share the “same fanatical creed.” This confirms what Pres. el-Sisi said: ISIS and Hamas are offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood and the theology of all three groups is the same.
Furthermore, on Feb. 16, 2015, it was reported that retired U.S. Air Force Gen. Tom McInerney “is mystified by the lengths to which the administration goes to avoid references to radical Islam.” This famous high ranking General reportedly said, “I don’t know. Maybe we have some Islamists embedded in the White House.”
Then on Feb. 17, 2015, K. T. McFarland, a highly respected Fox News contributor and former official in Pres. Reagan’s Administration, said the Muslim Brotherhood is “the mother ship of radical Islam.” She added that “Pres. Obama welcomes them into the White House.”
Based on these and many other facts, I believe the Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamic terrorist organization that is just as guilty as ISIS. What would happen if U.S. citizens suddenly realized that Islamic terrorists, or Islamic State sympathizers have offices at the White House where they influence our foreign policy, and influence Pres. Obama who is the commander of America’s military, etc.?
The Muslim Brotherhood has to deceive people into thinking that there is a difference between Islam and Islamic terrorism. Why would the Muslim Brotherhood terrorists in the White House want Pres. Obama to speak against Islamic terrorists when they are the beginning of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hamas and more? He won’t say Islamic terrorists because he is trying to protect his cronies in the White House. They believe the beheadings, burnings, slavery, etc. are their responsibility to Allah and not terrorist attacks.
The previous is quoted and written by a Christian who tells it like it is, Robert, a minister named Daymond Duck.
Ronald Fraser says
Whatever Obama’s true religious beliefs may or may not be, this narcissistic, self-serving, arrogant fraud, is definately living on another planet. At best he is grossly incompetent and criminally ignorant, at worst he is a traitor. He supports an ideology [which is based on a desert raiding culture] that rejects and espouses hatred for all other religions and for atheists. It rejects the Constition and rule by man made laws, and calls for unremitting warfare against unbelievers until it [islam and sharia law] has been imposed on the whole world. This is an ideology whose followers are enjoined to wage war against unbelievers until they are subjugated, and islam has total power. Kuffar (unbelievers) bust not have power over muslims. By supporting such an ideology which threatens freedom and freedom of speech and freedom of conscience, Obama’s behaviour may be judged treasonous.
BlueandWhite Zionist says
Obama’s family history is clear enough, his father was a African Muslim. It would only be natural for him to have an emotional connection on some level with both traits from his father. Funny though that he identifies with his father’s African heritage as a black American but does not outwardly admit any Muslim identity from his father. Even if not consciously something connects him to Islam on a deeper level that he has to deny it outwardly.
Does he say that people in the IS are not Muslims or just that the movement isn’t ? It would match the kind of logic of those fringe historians who say nobody in Israel today is really Jewish either.
wildjew says
Mr. Obama says ISIS represents no religion because he says, no religion would justify the terrible things these people are doing. But isn’t that the standard Islamic supremacist line?
Screeminmeeme says
I regret that I have to disagree with you on this part of your article. I’m an advocate of the ”if it looks like a duck……” reasoning.
You said: ”If Obama were a secret Muslim, he would be the first Muslim to carry out such a sustained deception of claiming not to be a Muslim.”
1. We have no way of knowing if other Muslims have ever carried out such a deception.
2. Has there ever been a time in history when the pay-off of his disception has been greater? Seems to me that given what’s at stake, Obama’s willingness to remain committed to the ”Lie” for so many years would be commended and rewarded by his god. After all, he is ”ruling” America and doing it mostly unopposed. His foreign and domestic policies reflect his loyalty to Islam and its objective of world domination. His no-policy policy of a tepid, ineffective response to ISIS is allowing it
grow and strengthen.
His duplicity helped get him elected to the most powerful seat in the world. He is on video mocking the Bible and his persistant misapplication of Scripture to reinforce a talking point is telling…..he knows nothing of the Word of God. In an interview with a Chicago Newspaper on his faith, he denied most of the basic tenets of Christianity and even contradicted Christ, not surprising given his 20 years of sitting under the false teaching of black liberation theologian, Jeremiah Wright, a heresy which is Marxist at its core.
With his rhetoric and actions Obama has advanced supremacist Islam while marginalizing Christianity and its influence on our culture. Christians in the military especially have experienced his disdain for the Faith.
Christ said that the MARK OF THE CHRISTIAN IS LOVE…especially for the brethren…..and his apostles echoed that thought.
Joh 13:35 BY THIS shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
A blind man can see that Obama cares nothing about the Christians who are suffering at the hands of monsters…..nothing about the genocide. Nothing about the countless children who have suffered atrocites at the hands of depraved men who serve their bloodthirsty god.
He has two daughters and yet never strongly addresses the misogyny so prevalent in the Islamic community. And he is so lacking in compassion for his fellow man that he goes golfing minutes after hearing about the deaths of Americans.
ISIS is attempting to eliminate the last vestages of the oldest Christian community in history….and Obama is aiding and abetting them in their objective.
THAT’S how much Obama loves his Christian brethren.
He is a souless man. An enemy of Christ.
And a stealth Jihadist, in service to Allah.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…..its a Muslim duck.
wildjew says
“After all, he is ”ruling” America and doing it mostly unopposed. His foreign and domestic policies reflect his loyalty to Islam and its objective of world domination. His no-policy policy of a tepid, ineffective response to ISIS is allowing it
grow and strengthen….”
Indeed. I do not think Mr. Spencer is arguing Obama is a Christian either.
I likewise use this Duck Test when Obama-supporters challenge me to “prove” Obama is either a racist or a Jew-hater. I have watched Obama’s behavior with respect to Israel and Israel’s prime minister for six years.
The more significant way I argue with far-left Obama-supporters is Islamic law. It is unarguable (inarguable?) that according to strict Islamic law Obama is anything other than a Muslim even if he is apostate. He is as much a Muslim according to Islamic law as I am a Jew according to Jewish law because my mother was Jewish. The difference? There is no death penalty in my faith (in the law of Moses) for apostasy as there is in Obama’s faith. Leftists respond with, “Here in the West we can choose our religion.” But in Islam and Judaism that is beside the point. Yes Christians choose to be Christian. Not necessarily so in Islam. No doubt, Obama knows it.
voegelinian says
Occam’s Razor: Everything Obama has said and done could be (and in different permutations has been) said and done by Western non-Muslims deformed by PC MC (not to mention PC MC’s more robustly caffeinated source, Leftism). Thus far, we have no data on anything Obama has said and done that would 1) only be said or done by a Muslim, but 2) not by a PC MC/Leftist non-Muslim.
voegelinian says
P.S.: We do, however, have evidence that Obama in his lifetime has drunk deeply of not merely Leftism, not merely radical Leftism, but the darkest chthonic waters thereof, Revolutionary Stealth Marxism:
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3021/Contextless-in-Obamas-America.aspx
wildjew says
Can you please answer a question honestly voegelinian? According to Islamic law, what religion is Barack Obama?
voegelinian says
When have I answered a question dishonestly? I’m fairly certain that by Islamic law, Obama is a Sunni Muslim. That doesn’t mean he considers himself one.
Buffy Crider says
in islam, the children inherit the religion of the father, which is islam. Obama’s father was a muslim, so he is a muslim–and yes, he is practicing taqqiya when he says he is a Christian. See Steve Deace’s article in the Washington Times—so good about defining why Obama isn’t a Christian.
duh_swami says
By now everyone knows, or should know, that Rasool Obama lies about nearly everything…so why do people believe him when he says he is a Christian?
Bezelel says
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Christian is as Christian does and obola does not even resemble a Christian. He also does not resemble an American president. He does strongly resemble someone who hates the US.
Don't ask who I am and stop takiya says
David,,Defender of islam ..why you are trying so hard to sugar coat reality and the truth about your religion?even your name is not muslim name and you are posing as a Christian or maybe a Jew with islam defending arguments…why evey muslim guy calls himself westerners names in blogs?..food for thoughts…
Anyhow ” muslim person”..are you practising Taqiya or are you ignorant of your sacred book that has nothing of holiness?(slavery,rape of women,killing the unbelievers,slaying the people of the Book?..)…you are claiming that people are interpreting your holy book falsely ?the extremist groups you are labelling them as such are true muslims,the closest version of a Muslim that can be since the day of your false prophet..they are not extremists..they are people devout to their god and acting following your Quran and your allah’s commandments ..they are more devout than anyone of you guys as they are ready to kill,slay,rape,kidnap and ask for ransoms…Quranic commandments in killing whoever is not muslim,and raping their women,taking their possessions which is technically is theft…are straightforward commands of your god no interpretations are needed,you don’t know better than allah ..second,it is really cruel for a supposedly a god sending down revelations only himself can understand..like a maths teacher writing equations for nobody to understand…waw and guess what,he will throw you in hell fire for not knowing..go back to one of your prophet’s Hadith…you have another issue…claiming Quran can be understood only and interpreted only in Arabic is a big huge lie..guess what I was born in an arabic country and I could both read and write it,and the translation would not affect the meaning only when muslims deceive people in given false translation…by the way Quran is translated by muslims only…
You are Baha’i muslim..technically for muslims you are Kafir infidel and you must be exterminated because you are an apostate,and your peaceful prophet declared himself as the seal or the last of the prophets and following which you deserve to die..you are no exception…my prayers to you to leave your moon god Hubal then named allah and seek your true living God of the bible who your prophet reduced to a mere human being…we will pray for your souls as the devil us claiming you as his badly..in Christ
TheBuffster says
Robert Spencer said: “Since he believes Islam to be a peaceful religion, he doesn’t accept the idea that Muslims become jihadis because the Qur’an and Sunnah exhort them to do so.”
But *why* does Obama believe Islam to be a peaceful religion? If his father and stepfather were Muslims and – or so I’ve read – he had some Islamic education while he was in Indonesia, surely he would have read the Koran and knows what’s in it?
And if he hasn’t read the Koran (as so many people who call Islam “peaceful” seem not to have done), why not? Given his job, these days, it’s his duty to read the Koran. It’s not as fun as golfing, but nobody said being president was supposed to be fun.
Michael Johnson says
Obama is either with Islam or he’s with our country and the rest of the west he must make up his mind he cares more about. Muslim blood than American. Blood
Linde Barrera says
Thank you Mr Spencer for trying your best to advance a few key ideas to Pres Obama about radical, extremist Islam and how western countries just seem to gloss over the acts of terror done by these creepy Muslim monsters. I am a 63 year old Christian lady, and in my neighborhood in New York, there are Muslims from Uzbekistan, Yemen, Albania and Pakistan. No acts of terror have been reported on the news that I know of, by these Muslims. My guess is that they thank their lucky stars they are in a place where they aren’t being harrassed, possibly like they had been in their own former countries. So again, thank you for trying your best. It is encouraging. God bless you.