“Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for.” Note that the Islamic State is here referring to Egyptian Christians — the indigenous people of Egypt — as “Crusaders.” Their ignorance of history is in service of their claim that Christians have no place in the Middle East. Their fanatical adherence to Islamic law has made them aggressive, violent, and supremacist — but no one wants to face the implications of that.
“Sisi warns of response after Islamic State kills 21 Egyptians in Libya,” by Ahmed Tolba and Michael Georgy, Reuters, February 15, 2015:
CAIRO (Reuters) – Islamic State released a video on Sunday that appeared to show the beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians in Libya and President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi warned that his country would respond to the deaths as it saw fit.
Speaking on national television hours after the release of the video, Sisi said Cairo would choose the “necessary means and timing to avenge the criminal killings”.
Egypt’s state news agency MENA quoted the spokesman for the Coptic Church as confirming that 21 Egyptian Christians believed to be held by Islamic State were dead.
The beheadings could stiffen Sisi’s resolve in dealing with security threats from militants thriving in neighboring Libya’s chaos who want to topple his U.S.-backed government.
Egypt has denied reports in the past that it had taken part, along with its close ally the United Arab Emirates, in air strikes against militants based in Libya.
The footage showing the deaths of the Egyptians appeared on the Twitter feed of a website that supports Islamic State, which has seized parts of Iraq and Syria and has also beheaded Western hostages.
In the video, militants in black marched the captives, dressed in orange jump suits, to a beach the group said was near Tripoli. They were forced down onto their knees, then beheaded.
A caption on the five-minute video read: “The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church.” Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: “Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for.”…
Bezelel says
obola is playing golf.
mortimer says
Obola denies the reality that Islam is obviously a Death Cult of barbarians. ISIS scrupulously follows Sharia law.
Georg says
I know I’ll probably get it handed to me for asking this, but…
As the Old Testament/Torah has a load of whacky/genocidal verses people no longer act on, is Islam necessarily a “death cult”, or is that just its present iteration? I say this in part because the Peshmerga kick ass and are alright in my book and are Muslim. I suppose the translation of their name doesn’t help my case…
Anyhoo, Biji Peshmerga!
shrugger says
The Old testament being an historical account, sometimes violent. The koran being an eternal and open ended command.
Mafia Death Cult is in fact a perfect descriptive.
Georg says
@ shrugger
Thank you. I wasn’t thinking of it as such, but I’d like to look into that.
Markos says
Read some history Georg in that part of the world. The Kurds ( peshmerga) ruthlessly hunted down and butchered tens of thousands of Christians in the early 1900’s. They were more ruthless then the Turks in the genocide of Assyrians, Armenians, and Greeks. Now they’re playing us like a fiddle because they need us and we need them.
mortimer says
Is Islam per se a ‘Death Cult’? Yes, but you be the judge. Here is the evidence:
-“Convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don’t, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life.” —Caliph Abu Bakr, Mohammed’s Successor
-Mohamed Merah said that he “loved death more than they loved life.”
-Nigerian jihadist Abubakar Shekau said: “I’m even longing for death, you vagabond.”
-Ayman al-Zawahiri’s wife advised Muslim women: “I advise you to raise your children in the cult of jihad and martyrdom and to instil in them a love for religion and death.”
-The Koran itself has: “O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful.” — Qur’an 62:6
-Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah: ‘We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death.’
-The founder of The Muslim Brotherhood, Hassan al-Banna wrote: “”So, prepare yourself to do a great deed. Be keen on dying and life will be granted to you, so work towards a noble death and you will win complete happiness.”
-Ayaan Hirsi Ali: “It is not a fringe group of radical Muslims who’ve hijacked Islam and that the majority of Muslims are moderate. Violence is inherent in Islam; it’s a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder.”
-Dr R Brahmachari (Professor, Applied Physics): “To speak the truth, Allah is not a god at all. Allah is a cruel tyrant, a barbaric killer and a violent despot. Islamic Umma is the biggest criminal gang on earth and Allah is leader and guide of that criminal gang and is trying to establish himself as the God of the world (not of the universe) with the help of the mujahadin through terror and bloodshed.”
-Francois Gautier (French Writer and Journalist): “The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks.”
-A poll of more than 1,000 British Muslims, conducted by the Policy Exchange think-tank this year (2007), found that 36 per cent of Muslims aged between 16 and 24 believe those who convert to another faith should be punished by death. source:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2170160,00.html
-Danish researcher Tina Magaard, Ph.D. concluded that Islam is the most warlike religion. After three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, Tina Magaard concluded that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. She stated that ‘Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions. The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.’
Georg, what is YOUR EVIDENCE that Islam is not a Death Cult?
terry says
All those once great civilizations, Egypt (Muslim majority), Persia (modern day Iran, Muslim majority), eastern half of the Roman Empire ( modern day Turkey, Muslim majority), western part of China (Muslim majority), India (which included modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh, Muslim majority), Assyrians, Chaldeans and Babylonians (modern day Syria and Iraq, Muslim majority), Old Ethiopian Empire (modern day Ethiopia, Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia, Muslim majority in many parts), subsaharan African Kingdom (many modern day subsaharan African countries, majority Muslim), Phoenicia (modern day Lebanon and part of Syria, majority Muslim) and finally ancient northern Africa, which belonged to several strong kingdoms and tribes such as Spain, Portugal and the famous Tuareg people (modern day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya, majority Muslim)- vanished long time ago and all people,in their current geographic locations, are suffering under the tyranny of Islam, today.
Some of them, in their time, were at least, more powerful and long enduring than current western civilization. Imagine someone living in ancient Egypt or Persia, civilizations which endured hundreds, if not thousands of years. He/she living in the middle of its life time, hundreds of years behind and may be the same ahead of it. If someone would have told that person, look your civilization is about to end, by some conquering ruthless people. Most probably, he/she would have laughed it off.
Who from ancient Egypt and the rest of Northern Africa, which were mostly Christian then, before being invaded by Islamic armies, could have imagined that their grand grand grand grand grand children would be slaughtered like sheep and even worse! 21 of finest young men, beheaded for no fault of their own, but just for being Christians!
In the case of the west, the above image, in the beginning of this article, would exactly be repeated, sooner than in the case of Egypt’s Christians, and not with 21 but probably hundreds and hundreds, of its grand children or even starting with some of our own children, in different western locations.
Already, many plots to behead innocent people and/or police were foiled recently in different western countries and that’s when Muslims, in those respective countries constitute 5% or less of the population. Imagine the fun that they would have when Muslim numbers hit 50% or more!
Why many humans seem to be incapable of learning from history? The same thing happened in the ancient past, many prophets and/or messengers-such as Lot, Jonas, Hezekiah and Habakkuk….., were sent to different populations, the Israelites were one of them, in different occasions, to worn of coming destruction or disaster, and in many cases few would listen, if ever.
The Titanic, before it hit an iceberg and sank in the northern Atlantic, one famous official, then said of it “God himself could not sink it, even if he wanted to”!
Arrogant, belligerent, ignorant, with false sense of security, blind, deaf, with numbed senses, selfish, nearsighted, stupid, idiotic, obtaining 0% in history class exams, technology distracted, living just for pleasure, delusional, irrational, avoiding pain at all costs and money worshiping- were some of the characteristics of those ancient people, many of those in the west, today, including, on top of their list, many leaders, mainstream media outlets, academics and above all could also be used to describe in general, the west’s reaction to the current Islamic invasion, Jihad and conquest in progress!
Georg says
@ terry
A very prescient synopsis/warning. I get riled up whenever I feel Westerners implying our way is inevitable/interminable. It is an historical EXCEPTION! It must be treated with kid gloves, not irreverence. And we are fighting against evil, as you show prevailing so often. Islam is unabashedly retrograde, and against that I take up metaphorical and literal arms. I take some exception with your speaking of our being “technology distracted” as I think:
a) science is incomparably useful
b) great fun
c) was and will be our edifice and teeth against such retrograde intrusion
I’m admittedly ignorant of advanced economics, but “money worshipping”, to me, is a potentially misdirecting accusation. To me, money is simply a measure of productivity and efficiency, I don’t see either as inherently bad. Now, if moral totally go out the window in pursuit of aforementioned ends, then yes, it’s bad, but otherwise, I think it’s a healthy pursuit to be productive and efficient; it’s what separates, literally and metaphorically, us from them.
Embrace our ingenuity.
Michael Copeland says
For Georg,
The Old Testament is not part of US law.
The Koran – all of it – is part of Islamic law.
One who denies any verse has to be killed.
The killing can be done, penalty-free and vigilante-style, by anyone,
“since it is killing someone who deserves to die”.
Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” o8.4, o8.7(7).
The Manual is available as a free download.
David from England says
Interesting point, but as Christians, we take the New Testament as our basis and guide for our beliefs. It is a shame that our pusilanimous Church leaders aren’t speaking out about the brutal and horrific yet koran sanctioned actions of these islamic barbarians and their demented so called ‘prophet’.
jihad3tracker says
Let me suggest a REALITY PUSHBACK. Even if you are NOT a Christian or Jew, send emails to pastors and rabbis in your towns, giving them the URL for this ISIS vid . .
MENTIONING THE HORRIIFIC DEATHS. And ask those local clergy to forward this post on to their top level persons.
EDUCATE THE COMPASSIONATE CLUELESS —who cannot clearly see how privilege guilt clouds every event in the Mid-East.
Georg says
I was not asking my question in a cynical nature, and I appreciate the genuine and nuanced responses. To be clear: I do not like Islam at all, but I was just trying to put it in context… You all have further convinced me that it’s particularly contemptible. I’d also like to say I’m not well-studied in it (I have a hard time studying things which I don’t like). I want virtually nothing to do with it, and it better not have anything to do with my family.
Thanks, guys for the good replies and respectfulness.
Bezelel says
George, Historically the OT gives us insight to mankinds behavior in that time period. Many people think that we are so much smarter now but then we see throwbacks gaining ground even with all the technology. Considering what the Tribes of Israel were up against, that is the ISIS mentality was the norm. The Ten Commandments and the Jewish code of ethics compared to barbarism they were surrounded by then is the proper context and based on that, just how far has humanity evolved?
Markos says
You nailed it Justin. Other bloggers here are blaming the Saudis, Qataris, turks etc. Though they are funding this sunni Muslim scum, they wouldn’t have taken a crap without prodding by our US State Department. The U.S. has cozied with islam for decades, beginning with in the early 1900’s, taking no sides when the Turks were committing genocide on their Christian population, even with a huge military presence in the area. Jump to the present- we have the house of Bush and the house of Saud who sleep together and we have a dirty lieing sunni Muslim in the White House.
terry says
Justin,
“WHERE ARE THE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS, CHURCHES, SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS, THE VATICAN AND WESTERN SOCIETY??? WHY IS THERE NO ONE TO STOP THIS MADDNESS???”
Because they are busy protecting, defending Muslims in the west from Islamophobia and imaginary acts of retribution against them, and above all making sure that they feel at home, comfortable and to continue, in peace, indoctrinating children and others, in their homes and mosques, in the same ideology which lead to the latest terrorist attacks, in Paris and Copenhagen! Those acts were committed by native, born and raised, French and Danish speaking Muslims.
The above answer is not a joke but serious and true! As I don’t want to get you depressed, I won’t tell you what I saw and encountered in talking to some devout Christians, or so called, about what fellow innocent Christians in the middle east, Pakistan and Nigeria are facing on the hands of devout Muslims.
Many would repeat to me that same ugly sounding, stinking, nauseating and truth sounding big lie, repeated every day, all over the west, by politicians and mainstream media, that Islam is a religion of peace, love…
A devout Christian and close acquaintance to me who lives in the US, who is doing well financially, is literally helping two Muslim families, in need. When I talked to him about what is happening to Christians in the middle east, citing to him some specific examples and asking him to help, he said that he would definitely remember them in his prayers, that’s it.
He explained that we can’t help all people, every where, besides helping and showing love to Muslims, would show what kind of faith as Christians we have and may even help some of them open their hearts to Christianity. He gave me the example of Nabil Qureshi, who converted to Christianity from Islam.
Even though I respect this so called Christian and I know that he means well in his heart, I still believe that this kind of thinking is ignorant and plain stupid. Not only me and him were on completely different pages but to help myself keep my sanity, I stopped contacting him anymore, about any similar subject!
That’s the kind of west we live in these days, where pure stupidity rules as king! (After second thought, I felt that this last statement would be an insult to stupidity, itself!)
Demsci says
Yes, I know of this tendency of the American politicians and media to support the “wrong parties”.
But my first question continues to be: Why only or primarily or excessively holding Americans accountable? It is a deeply WRONG reason to hold Americans to a higher standard than all the rest of mankind, simply because they sort of “brag” about their “exceptionalism”. IMO. and I am against that.
The only reason you might have for chastising them more is their current might. But that still should let you compare them with all nations that had might before them. for instance, how did the Ottoman empire behave when that empire was most powerful in the world?
Second question: What exactly do you accuse the Americans of? Stupidity (my choice) or deliberate bad intentions?
Third question; If you do accuse, how do you see the role of all the Americans that voted their governments in? Do you see them duped, manipulated or also responsible?
Fourth question; how come you judge the Americans with a higher standard, than those Muslims, dictators like Khadaffi, and terrorists alike, that actually pull the trigger?
Fifth question; how is the relationship according to you, between those murdering Muslims and Americans? Is it not very hostile? So why do blame Americans for what their very enemies do?
Markos says
@Demsci – there’s more then 5 questions in the 5 you asked.
1) I do hold Amerca to a much higher standard then all other countries. The U.S. has the worlds largest economy, its military might is enormous, very lethal and can be brought to bare almost anywhere on earth, it also has the worlds most sophisticated global information network.
So it’s very important that our foreign policy protects us but doesn’t adversely affect nations or people that happen to be in the way of this action.
Our past enemies ( Russia then USSR then Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea ) were hampered and contained by our military and over seas alliances ( NATO etc. ) we also used covert operations in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey to stymie Soviet, Iranian and Indian influence. We used muslims in all cases to do our bidding and the by product of that was highly trained and motivated jihadists.
To curtail Russian expansion in the early 1900’s Turkey was used as a bulwark on the south. So as not to piss off the Turks we looked the other way while they tortuered and slaughtered their entire christian population, about 3,500,000 Assyrians, Armenians and Greeks. We and the British had a huge naval presence in the area but didn’t lift a finger.
Much later Serbia which is christian wanted to stay an ally of Russia the U.S. and NATO used the Kosovo civil war to reduce it to rubble.
When the Greek Cypriots said no to a U.S. airbase the US allowed Turkey to annex half of the country and like magic we build an airbase on captured soil. Who cared if the filthy Turks murdered 3,400 young Cypriot males who weren’t even soldiers.
In Indonesia in 1965 we backed the muslims who were vieing for power with communists, being such good murderers they exterminate all the communists and any Christians thay can get their smelly hands on.
Now we want Assad of Syria gone so we immediately back the sunni uprising and bang we spin off ISIS.
2) “What do I accuse the Americans of?” Not caring if innocent people are exterminated when we blunder about overseas.
3) ” Are we Americans duped or manipulated? ” I’d have to say yes because the people I speak with know nothing of this in history. Were you ever taught this in school?
4) ” Why do I hold the U.S. to a higher standard then let’s say Khadaffi?” That’s easy, all muslims are trained to murder once they’re strong enough, the U.S. and Britain have made them strong enough.
5) Our relationship with “muslims who murder ” all depends on who they’re murdering. When they’re murdering Soviet soldiers, Russian school children, Indians in Kashmir, Serbian farmers, Greek Cypriot teenagers, our State Department applauds, but it’s a bad thing when they take down the World Trade Center Towers.
Hope this answers your questions Demsci.
Guest says
The christians have committed a lot of atrocities in the name of religion/god. The pope openly said once that they will cross the entire Asia. Their crooked missionaries covert the poor in the world using a little money, lots of lies and deception. Wealthy countries donate a lot of money for this ‘cause.’
Why? Why should there by one god? Any religion that claims there is only one god is dangerous.
So christianity is as dangerous as islam. They both are abrahamic cults which kill people in the name of god.
jay says
Yes, thank you Obama, we all heard your speech before.
TH says
What a bunch of stupid and ridiculous crap. If you tried to say someting stupid and false you culd hardly have been more successful.
Guest says
What about the crusades? (to name one?)
The Crusaders is a sad and blood-filled chapter of the Church. The cold-blooded killing and annihilation of entire communities of “differently-believers” is well-documented. And is unique in human history.
The Church was not only cruel to other faiths, it was unbelievably cruel to christians, too:
One example were the Albigenser (Cathars): 20’ooo were killed in one day – just because they believed in Jesus in another way than the official Church.
From Wikipedia: …The crusader army under the Pope…The Cathars spent much of the year 1209 fending off the crusaders. The leader of the crusaders, Simon de Montfort, resorted to primitive psychological warfare. He ordered his troops to gouge out the eyes of 100 prisoners, cut off their noses and lips, then send them back to the towers led by a prisoner with one remaining eye. This only served to harden the resolve of the Cathars.
Arnaud, the Cistercian abbot-commander, is supposed to have been asked how to tell Cathars from Catholics. His reply, recalled by Caesar of Heisterbach, a fellow Cistercian, thirty years later was “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”—”Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own.”[22][23] The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the refugees dragged out and slaughtered. Reportedly, 7,000 people died there. Elsewhere in the town many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice.[24] What remained of the city was razed by fire. Arnaud wrote to Pope Innocent III, “Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex.”[25][26] The permanent population of Béziers at that time was then probably no more than 5,000, but local refugees seeking shelter within the city walls could conceivably have increased the number to 20,000.
And similar stories about annihilation of the communities of -Waldensians, -Stedinger, -Hussites, -Geuzen, -Hugenotts, -Langobards, -Sachs, -Sarazens, etc. In general, the wars between Catholics and Protestants against each other and against other religions is something most repelling and nauseating.
Markos says
Compare and contrast this christian transgression to islam! You’re talking maybe a few thousand victims of Christian aggression and compare that to over tens of millions murdered by followers of Islam. Come on Guest, get your head out of your ass.
Richie says
The ignorance that Muslims and their leftist allies have in world history never ceases to amaze me.
The Crusades were a response to islamic aggression.
Want to talk about Crusades? Look at a global map today- any nation outside of Mecca where Muslims hold power, Muslims invaded , murdered and enslaved the native populations. Muslims killing coptic Christians in Egypt and calling them invaders is rich, given Christians were there LONG before Islam even existed.
terry says
Guest,
Either you post comments which are on the same level of intellect and knowledge about religions and history, many commentators on this site have, or f**k off!
terry says
Richie,
“The ignorance that Muslims and their leftist allies have in world history never ceases to amaze me.
The Crusades were a response to Islamic aggression.”
The last sentence, in the part of your comment quoted above, is very true and accurate. I don’t know why they, from the president down, keep on bringing the subject of the Crusades as a moral equivalent to Islamic’s terror and atrocities, committed against innocent people, world wide! Do they think that we can’t check history books for ourselves, or we’re stupid enough to take their word for it?
Oh man, what’s going on in the world today? That’s more than stupid, it’s criminal!
The crusades are exactly like if many of us here in the west, went to Syria and Iraq, to defend local Christians and holy Christian sites from the on going vicious ISIS attacks, destruction and genocide in progress and in doing so, naturally, many Muslims would be killed.
Fast forward to future, would it be fair and just in history books, to morally equate what we did to what triggered it in the first place, which was Islamic invasion of whole Christian towns, beheading young men, taking young women as sex slaves, forcing all people to convert to Islam or face death and destroying their places of worship and valuable historical sites?
There are many reports, one of which on this site, that many people from the west already went to Iraq and are fighting with Christian militias to defend their homes, towns and places of worship.
Angemon says
terry posted:
“I don’t know why they, from the president down, keep on bringing the subject of the Crusades as a moral equivalent to Islamic’s terror and atrocities, committed against innocent people, world wide!”
To toe the line for the official narrative: all religions teach the same and all are capable of inspiring their followers to do nasty things. And if that requires hammering the square peg of people committing despicable acts and going against their religion’s tenets through the triangular hole of people committing despicable acts because their religion’s tenets mandate it to claim that all religions are hexagonal, so be it.
Peggy says
So why kill the Coptics? They have abosolutely NOTHING to do with the Pope. Only the Catholics have him. You are such a liar.
Tell us, where are Christians beheading Muslims? How dangerous are we?
mortimer says
It’s revenge directed at all Western countries. They call us all ‘Crusaders’ behind our backs.
Most Muslims have an extreme hatred of non-Muslims that they conceal.
To prove what I say, I challenge everyone to ask a Muslim this question: “Am I a kafir?”
Georg says
I stand by my assertion that “kaffir” is the Arabic word for “the n-word”. Can’t bring myself to even type it right now. Disgraceful that its banded about as such in Arabic vernacular and scripture.
deja vu says
Guest: ‘The christians have committed a lot of atrocities in the name of religion/god’
Really? How many is ‘a lot’? Give us a list and supply references.
gravenimage says
Guest wrote:
…christianity is as dangerous as islam. They both are abrahamic cults which kill people in the name of god.
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Good God, what crap. The Copts have been oppressed and murdered in Egypt for almost 1400 years now. They present no threat to Muslims there. What witless false moral equivalence.
That this is put forward on a thread where Muslims are *beheading innocent Christians* makes this all the more perverse.
Georg says
As the disinterested atheist here, I’d like to express my preference for Christianity over Islam by about 483,897:1. I have very little problem with Christianity, although I had to turn it off at the end– too scary.
People like Reza Aslan have to point out that Jesus flipped over a table in order to demonstrate his viciousness; it’s telling that such a transgression would be the one which sticks in Aslan’s mind.
Ashley says
Guest….you are unwelcome here.
With all due respect, fuck off.
Champ says
So christianity is as dangerous as islam. They both are abrahamic cults which kill people in the name of god.
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Guest, only another nincompoop will agree with your lie.
sencit says
I suspect that ‘Guest’ is Indian, who has ranted about the ‘dalit’ people being ‘bribed’ before.
Islam is not an Abrahamic faith, as it does not worship the God of Abraham. Quite the reverse in fact. It is satanic and evil.
Ephesian says
May I suggest you go away and sit down in some quiet place and study both the quran and the Bible.If,and only if,after many years you emerge and still don’t see the difference ask God to help you.
Rob says
Guest, I’m guessing that you failed logic in school? Also, history and religion.
jay says
lol the hostile egyptian church. Love for them to show me Copts ever being hostile since being there almost an entire century before muhammpig could even rape his first jewish child.
Georg says
The 6th pillar of Islam: Irony
William says
Don’t all those Mohammedan beheaders qualify as psychopaths? Can anyone but a psychopath cut off peoples head without a drop of feeling for the beheaded? Then, there are a lot of psychopaths over there.
Peggy says
I would use the word evil. There is a lot of evil in Islam.
Sure there are evil Christians as well but they are not commanded by Jesus or any apostole to do anything to anyone. They just gave in to evil all on their own.
Islam requires you to be evil otherwise you can’t follow their satanic book.
Georg says
That is an essential distinction, thanks for pointing it out. The abortion bomber of 1986 was not commanded by scripture to act like a nut– therein lies the difference.
jihad3tracker says
HELLO AGAIN TO CONGRESSPERSONS KEITH ELLISON AND ANDRE CARSON, reading every post here at Jihadwatch. Do not waste ten seconds to deny that.
Your expensive suits are drenched AGAIN + AGAIN + AGAIN in theblood of innocent Christians and Jews. Yesterday it was Copenhagen, today it is ” FILL IN THE BLANK ”
If ISIS sent the heads of those 21 slaughtered persons to you by overnight FedEx, dumping them on your desks, COULD YOU THEN FIND THE COURAGE TO LEAVE ISLAM ????
Tell us here at Jihadwatch — and remember that the NSA / FBI have dozens of true Americans who follow everything you do. No matter how Barack Hussein wants to distract them.
TH says
Ttank God fo the corageious Copts who have kept their faith despite 1400 years of jihad. They even put the sign of the cross on their childrens arms so as to show what they believe in. The cross is the greates symbol of love, the love of Jesus for every single human person and his giving of himself to the extreme of dying on the cross. Allah is about HADRED, war, irrational arbitrariness and a whole list of other eviles. That is why they hate the cross.
These are true martyrs, not the phoney muslim one who have misappropriated the Christian concept of martyrdom, conveting it into a paody of the real thing. . Real martyrdom is giving one’s life following the example of Jesus due to hatred of the Christian faith.
Sisi seems to be the only decent and honorable muslim leader in the world these days.
gravenimage says
“Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for.” Note that the Islamic State is here referring to Egyptian Christians — the indigenous people of Egypt — as “Crusaders.” Their ignorance of history is in service of their claim that Christians have no place in the Middle East…
A caption on the five-minute video read: “The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church.” Before the killings, one of the militants stood with a knife in his hand and said: “Safety for you crusaders is something you can only wish for.”…
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In the first story posted here about this atrocity, the Jihadist murderers had this message in English superimposed over the image: “revenge for the Muslim women persecuted by Coptic crusaders in Egypt”.
I believe this is the reference:
—a year or two ago Coptic women in Egypt were kidnapped by Muslims and forced to say they had converted to Islam. The usual technique is to threaten to murder the victim’s whole family if she does not comply.
The Coptic community had been trying to get reluctant and indifferent Egyptian authorities to rescue these women. They finally did—including the wife of a Coptic cleric. The authorities asked then if they wanted to return to the Coptic community, and they affirmed that they did.
The Muslim public immediately went nuts, claiming that Copts themselves were “kidnapping” “Muslim women”. Never mind that this *makes no sense*—if their conversion to Islam had been sincere, they never would have said that they wanted to return to the Coptic community. Indeed, in Egypt, any pressure would have been all towards their remaining with their Muslim kidnappers.
Never mind—Muslims had a new, if utterly implausible narrative—that instead of this being violence against Copts, that it was—somehow—violence *by* Copts against “Muslim women”.
The story was covered widely here at Jihad Watch.
So they are considered “crusaders” because some of there fellow Christians dared to affirm that they were still Christian.
Jay Boo says
This “Crusaders” thing appears to be a typical Muslim ploy to do anything in order to not be held accountable for their own actions by pre-emptively playing the victim with self-serving willful ignorance. (yet again)
Standard Muhammadian logic of whine a lot, then butcher your enemies while blaming them.
Sam Hawkins says
Thanks for this valuable background info, gravenimage. I have to turn to Jihad Watch for the truth because Western media won’t give it.
Georg says
“Their ignorance of history is in service of their claim that Christians have no place in the Middle East.”
So aptly put (Robert’s gifted). My condolences to these men, who were causing no one harm, and their families. How could a people who preceded them by over 600 years “have no place”? Somebody’s not practicing their beloved algebra. Christians don’t belong there, and neither do Jews, Zoroastrians, Yazidis, Wickans, Shi’ite… who knows, they probably take issue even with the local wildlife. They should destroy ALL non-Muslims. Every blade of grass, paramecium, heck, even oxygen molecule which cannot recite the Shahada or pray exactly as Muhammad is described to have. That would be PURE.
So, Arabic is a “sacred” language; I suppose implying the languages of everyone else are… unsacred. So ancestors of Muslims in the time of jahiliya were definitively undevout. And how do the geniuses in IS imagine they communicated verbally with one another? In Klingon? Once again– wit isn’t their strong suit.
As an aside, anyone else notice the surly Libya Jihad hasn’t been here lately. Makes one wonder.
Georg says
I just realized, there is only one Koran and only one person who follows it most closely. So they all ought to be MIGHTY suspicious of one another’s infidelity. And since no one follows it perfectly… maybe they ought to just do the deed.
Champ says
Sisi vows revenge for Islamic State’s murder of 21 Christians
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DO IT! …before nobama attempts to dissuade you.
Peggy says
Shame on the west. It take a Muslim to defend Christians!
These “Christians leaders” of the west should all be sent to Egypt for training on how to be a leader.
Georg says
Well, hold on a minute. Obama took pains to point out, ““No one in the USA should ever be targeted because of…how they worship”. Oh, right, he was talking about the USA. We’ll be waiting for his edict regarding Libya.
Voytek says
Unfortunately, it needs to be said that the current mess in Libya is MOSTLY due to removal of Muammar Gaddafi by NATO. Current mess in Iraq is LARGELY due to removal of Saddam Hussein by USA’s led coalition (including Poland, my native country). Current mess in Syria is partly due to giving arms (by who knows who?) to “right” rebels to fight Assad. I wish Robert Spencer publish someday a book on West’s and especially America’s imbecile foreign policy towards Muslim and Arab states.
Peggy says
The US called Saddam a dictator. They called Gadaffi and Assad dictators who killed their own people. Well we know now who they were killing. Their own home grown terrorists.
Looks like the US, UK and France wanted to protect the terrorists.
Some people cannot handle democracy. They need dictators until they are cleansed of Islam.
Georg says
I know I’ll never know, to draw on the style of Rumsfeld, why we went into Iraq.
Voytek says
Not that long before the USA’s decision on invasion in 2003 was made, S. Hussein was seriously considering that Iraq’s oil be sold for euros and not for US dollars anymore.
Peggy says
That’s exactly right.
Georg says
Wasn’t Gaddafi intent on switching to a gold standard? I’m way too simple for economics… so not sure why I’d ask- guess that’s what makes me simple. Desert Storm was admittedly over oil/resources control, so I don’t see why it’s outlandish that we’d see more of the same, a la Occam’s Razor.
I apologize in advance if I’m derailing this message board. Sometimes I wish Robert had a chat room. I’ll stop[ish].
Sam Hawkins says
Stop blaming the West for everything bad happening in the Middle East!
The bloodshed in Syria is being financed by Qatar (government and billionaires) and Saudi (mostly billionaires).
Markos says
The Saudis and Qataris wouldn’t make a move unless the USA approved it. Remember our fossilized Republicans going to Turkey to drum up their support. This is very recent history Sam. The USA is central in the birth of ISIS.
Georg says
@ Markos
I think you’ve overestimated the US and underestimated the Saudis and Qataris. Think: all the 9/11 highjackers were Saudis and SA paid no price; that still chaps my @$$, and I won’t stop unless they’re held/thought of as accountable. For %(^)$ sake, the only difference between their flag and that of IS is a freakin’ sword… oh, so cute. Perhaps the US gave some implicit approval to SA and Q to support pre-IS in Syria, but it’s become apparent SA has betrayed us, and it’s only oil that keeps the umbilical attached; this is why, among other reasons, I think energy independence is so important for the West. Forget Russian dictatorship (and “Ruptly”), forget Al Jazeera, forget the Arabian Peninsula! These are our enemies in every sense except an avoidable, greasy transaction. They hate us, and TRUST ME, I/WE HATE them! There is nothing about the culture of the Arabian Peninsula that should serve as a teaching device to any sane person. They have a bunch of black gunk that the universe cursed us with by having it under their sandals. The time came and it’s going, going, gone. Good bye, SA. It was miserable to know you, and you won’t be missed. Treat your people like #hi! in peace. If they really want our help… we’ll consider it. If not, that’s cool, too. But let’s be clear: Arabs are not without agency, and we ought to hold them accountable as such.
Markos says
Georg, the U.S. will always be the worlds oil broker. Our US oil industry and military, finds it, pumps it, refines it, transports it, protects it, distributes it, and sells it. The U.S. is close to being energy independent but we will always have ties with Middle East oil. Those same Middle East nations spend millions, maybe billions to purchase influence in our politicians now as they have in the past.
If we are to punish SA, Qatar, turkey for involvement with ISIS then start with flogging Obama, J McCain, Lindsey Graham, Kerry, Clinton, on and on. The U.S. facilitates the world wide expansion of islam.
It makes me very ill.
Demsci says
Yeah, good thinking George, I am with you on this!
marc says
I think the moslims need a dictator to keep them in line, when they don’t, they slide back to the ways of mohammed fast, Sisi is the right man for Egypt. We can all see how they manipulate democracy to destroy itself, the koran looks to be a guide to that effect.
While we can be happy for them to be governed by their dictators, they also need to be kept in line, as they have launched attacks on the West and Israel in the past.
Georg says
Some “intellectual”, I can’t remember if it was Chomsky or whoever else, maybe Nader, opined that, paraphrasing, “… you won’t like it when they get democracy because it won’t be in your favor.” That much, I think we can agree on.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
Notice the sticking of the fingers into the eyes to add an extra sadistic touch? As if slitting throats were not already cruel and torturous enough.
BTW – SISI is ISIS spelled backwards. Let’s hope that is meaningful.
Richie says
These Muslims not only enjoy the act of murder, but they want their victims to suffer for as long as possible. Small dull knives are used when people are decapitated, so as to assure an agonizing prolonged death. its the same with halal animals butchering, the idea is to make the animal suffer and die in pain. Muslims are the same in their treatment of the people they murder. Islam, is a death cult, utterly evil and demonic, having NO connection to God above
Georg says
Shhhhh…. you could help them. Oh, wait, they’re beyond help and that’s why the act as they do. The Universe has a nice way of cleaning itself: Goodbye IS.
Angemon says
Richie posted:
“These Muslims not only enjoy the act of murder, but they want their victims to suffer for as long as possible.”
That’s because islamic orthodoxy teaches that non-muslims need to be made to suffer on this world and the next for having refused to acknowledge muhamad as a prophet.
medina says
“Copt” means “first.” They were in Egypt before the Muslim onslaught.
Peggy says
Apart of Assyrian Copitic is the closes form of Christianity as preached by Jesus we have. All other Christian denominations have diverted various amounts so we have to fight really hard to preserve them.
There are very few Assyrian people left and soon enough there won’t be any as we cannot join them and one has to be born into it but we have to protect what we have.
Richie says
This is the true doctrine of Islam on full display, murder and mayhem. The murderous Isis vermin needs to be destroyed, every last member. There is currently a campaign of genocide against Christians, in former Christians lands being carried out by Muslim occupiers- Yet the leftist governments in Europe and the US are so blinded by their hatred of Israel, they turn a blind eye to these atrocities.
Think Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR will denounce these killings? Never. It goes against the narrative that Muslims are always the victim
Jay Boo says
Three people who happen to be Muslims are murdered by a mentally deranged neighbor who is upset over a parking spot and Muslims across the world are upset because they feel that Muslims are the ones who should be terrorizing non-Muslims and not the other way around.
Jay Boo says
Every single day Muslims around the world are doing this BS in the name of MO-Humper, their pedophile false profit who raped 6-year old virgins.
Richie says
Obama refers to Isis as ‘Isil’. what is that really all about?
Peggy says
It stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Libya (I.S.I.L) as opposed to Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (I.S.I.S)
Richie says
Is it some underhanded way of him to recognize them as some kind of legitimate force? Its clear he is on the side if islam.Yet does everything to deny Islam is connected in any way
Michael Copeland says
Obama says “ISIL” so that he does not have to speak the word “Islamic”.
He promotes the false narrative that they are not Islamic.
shrugger says
Calling it ISIL is also a dis toward Israel.
‘Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant’
“The Levant” stretches from Syria to Northern Egypt. He can hereby blot out Israel.
Custos Custodum says
It is important to remember that the organization now calls itself simply “Islamic State” WITHOUT ANY GEOGRAPHIC LIMITATIONS.
IS previously called itself “the Islamic State of Iraq and al Sham. This latter term could mean either Syria or all of the Levant (from Syria through to Egypt).
As other commenters have noted, Barry uses ISIL or I-S-I-L for two reasons:
(1) To hide the connection to ISLAM.
(2) As another swaggering, gangster-like hint to Israel that its territory is part of the Levant that should be ruled by Islam.
Remember this is the same Barry who called for a CONTIGUOUS “PALESTINIAN” HOMELAND connecting the Jordanians on the West Bank of the River Jordan with the fast-breeding descendants of Ottoman riff-raff in Gaza.
The Los Angeles Times is still sitting on the incriminating tape of Barry’s address at the farewell party of the “Palestinian” Goebbels and Barry sponsor Rashid Khalidi, now at Columbia University.
Richie says
I wonder if these Muslims are aware that Christians were there long before the Muslim barbarians invaded the land
G179 says
Of course they are aware, but the truth for them is always a big insult.
Arthur says
Wait a minute. Somebody help me with this:
“The beheadings could stiffen Sisi’s resolve in dealing with security threats from militants thriving in neighboring Libya’s chaos who want to topple his U.S.-backed government.”
I thought al-Sisi’s coup overthrew the ‘U.S.-backed’ (Muslim Brotherhood-backed) Morsi. Following that, al-Sisi was elected in a 2014 election by a majority of Egyptians. After al-Sisi took over (before the election), Obama suspended military aid to Egypt.
It seems simply untrue to claim that al-Sisi’s government is ‘U.S.-backed’. The truth would seem to me, that it is an Egyptian-backed Egyptian government which Obama does not support. More to the truth, we should distinguish Obama-backed from U.S.-backed, as I don’t think Obama represents the sentiments of the U.S. population on this issue (at least not mine!).
Sam Hawkins says
Agree 100 percent.
pongidae rex says
The abject failure of the West to confront this savagery, while permitting massive immigration of those who adhere to its ideology, is without precedent in human history.
Baucent says
I’m waiting for the candle light vigils in European cities displaying solidarity with the Copts. Where is the #CopticChristianlivesmatter chatter? Silence from the Left.
The politicians can’t condemn “politically motivated” crime for this case.
Islam promotes religiously motivated violence, and that’s the Elephant in the room, that the political elites won’t talk about.
Champ says
Sisi vows revenge for Islamic State’s murder of 21 Christians
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Sisi, administering justice by putting a stop to IS and their evil killing sprees is not “revenge”.
African Christian says
Please find me one muslim for #christianlivesmatter.
somehistory says
When I read of accounts such as this, where one ruler/president does something to benefit those trying to live by Godly principles, it reminds me of Daniel 2:21. Basically, Daniel says there that the True God can cause a man to become king or take out a man who has become king.
morsi would never have done anything good for those who choose the True God, and likely would have encouraged the persecuting and killing of all Christians in Egypt. Certainly he would not have helped those in Libya or sought vengeance for their murders.
Lia Wissing says
How sad – and illuminating – that the only world leader to speak out should be pres. Sisi, who is not a Christian …
Bezelel says
obola claims to be.(sarc)
Salah says
“Al Sisi is the man who stood up against the Muslim Brotherhood and liberated the land of Egypt from the rule of the sword, from violence and from terrorism.
We bear witness, and the whole world bears witness that Al Sisi is a man of righteousness, a man of righteousness and justice.
May God protect him and be with him”.
(Father Zakaria Botros, Islam’s ‘Public Enemy #1′)
(Video)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2014/10/zakaria-botros-on-al-sisi.html
thomas pellow says
“Egypt retaliates with air strikes after ISIS marches 21 Coptic Christians along a lonely Libyan beach and beheads them en masse for their faith .
“Egyptian warplanes struck Islamic State targets in eastern Libya today.
“There were at least seven airstrikes in the Islamist-held city of Derna.
“Strikes come after ISIS-affiliated militants murdered 21 Egyptians in Libya .
“Militants last night released video showing the Coptic Christians’ murder.
“Men were paraded on a beach by masked killed before savage beheadings .
“Egyptian government last night vowed ‘to avenge the bloodshed and to seek retribution from the killers.’
Pope Francis has expressed his ‘profound sadness’ over the Libya killings.
He said the victims had been murdered ‘for nothing other than their faith’ ”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2955249/Egypt-launches-air-strikes-Islamic-State-terror-group-releases-video-showing-beheading-21-Egyptian-Christians-Libya.html#ixzz3RufbxN80
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thomas pellow says
“Islamic State: ‘Great Reward’ for Killing Coptic Christians”
by Raymond Ibrahim .
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/great-reward-for-killing-coptic-christians/
Bloggerd says
It is time for Muslims to say to IS what Jesus said to those who thought they were following God – “You are of your father the devil”. These people (ISIS) are worshiping Satan. There can be no doubt about that. The devil came to Steal, destroy and kill. They are fulfilling the Satan’s mandate.
Also, will mega-church leaders like Joel Osteen condemn these murders?
Jae M says
I agree. These men are demonically possessed and love death, torture, rape, lies, murder, deception and every abomination that God despises. They think their reward will be the carnal lusts of sex in paradise. That is a fleshly lust. Who promises to fulfill your lust for blood, power and sex? One guess….
M S case says
I don’t believe mohammad even got a message from the devil’s angel much less Gabriel. The Koran came out of his dazed insane, head but I do believe he is OF the devil maybe he was one of the devil’s angels himself. The devil does have angels and they are manifested in ISIS
I don’t have any idea how long God is going to allow the devil to continue his rampage using isis against all those who do not follow the teachings of the Madman mohammed but I do know that God will take revenge. He may use military force or some other devastation and then again He may just let us founder in our own corruption till Jesus returns. BE READY!!!!
Richie says
Do you think its possible that if the flood of Islamic immigration into Europe doesn’t stop, that such mass killings will happen in Europe and the UK? I think we are headed that way- where Muslims will hold large group executions of Christians and Jews in Europe- and the socialist leftists governments will do NOTHING.
Richie says
Has there been any vocal condemnation from churches in the west from the increasing levels of islamic oppression and genocide against Christians, or has the atmosphere become so PC and tainted with leftist propaganda that people remain silent for fear of offending Muslims?
Muslims will not stop the killing, until they are stopped. Where the hell is the global condemnation of this Nazi death cult?
I realize Muslims and the left ALWAYS paint muslims as the victim- but enough is enough-
Roy C says
One reason you won’t hear much from western churches on the slaughter of Coptics is because more and more denominations are turning hard left to appeal to minorities – even down here in the bible belt. Look at the new pope – he despises capitalism nearly as much as Obama and the rest of the democratic party. The future of the Catholic church is in the third world and name me one third world country not controlled by the lunatic left?
M S case says
Not many Chruch leaders, politicians So-called and moderate muslims have come forward and denounced what isis is doing. Fox news and sites such as jihadwatch.com have spoken out trying to let not only the U.S but the rest of the free world know what isis in set upon doing.
Everything is going just the way the radical muslims want it to…They want to strike fear amongst the populations of the world Possibly isis can not overtake the world all at once but they can use the “chip away” method which they are doing…First they have started a stronghold or beach head then they start the “chip away program. next fear takes over and people are afrad to speak out or take any action against them in fear of demonstrations and retaliation the mass killing of innocent people going about their everyday business. When you are afraid to speak or act then they have you just where they want you till they can mount more sophisticated warfare. Are we going to wait till they have planes, ships rockets, a big army and maybe even nukes?
The firecracker dropping we are doing now with the so called air campaign is just irritating them. It will take spilled blood to route out this bunch and eradicate them and maybe islam itself may have to be eradicated or at least place so much fear in them that they will just fold up and go away. Fear and might is what they understand and if we don’t put our fear and might against them then we probably deserve their punishment and I’m thinking that their punishment on us is being used by God because we have failed Him….. We don’t have any leaders, that I know of, that have the guts and grit to take up the fight There just aren’t any there especially our commander in chief in the U.S This is plain to see from what he has sent to the congress to approve. PUTTING A LIMIT ON WAR how stupid can you get? He should be rallying all the leaders of the free world against this evil. Some comments please.
unbeliever1 says
Where are the Muslim outrage on social media like we saw over the murders of three Muslims in North Carolina by an out of control guy who seems to have had no problems with Muslims per say?
DeusLoVult says
WATCH THE VIDEO: ISIS Savages Beheading Twenty One Coptic Christians
http://shoebat.com/2015/02/15/watch-video-isis-savages-beheading-twenty-one-coptic-christians-saw-martyrs-beheaded-name-jesus-fulfilled/
Linde Barrera says
Just so you know the facts! The Seljuk Turks swept down from their locale in Turkey to go to Jerusalem circa 1095 AD. They were reportedly abusing and killing Christians and Jews in Jerusalem. They were met with Christian Crusaders who successfully killed many of these Muslim murderers during the first and second crusades. However, there were a total of 7 crussdes over a period of more than 100 years. Only the first and second were considered victories for the Christians. Those Christians that survived went to Rhodes and other islands and set up hospitals and inns for Christian pilgrims. The surviving Crusaders dedicated their lives to Jesus Christ. Robin Hood (not sure what his actual name was) was one of the Crusaders.