“Mohammed Emwazi, the Islamic State extremist known as ‘Jihadi John’, was able to flee Britain and the scrutiny of the security services, despite being a member of a terror cell that was known to have links to the failed 21/7 attacks on London in 2005, the Observer can reveal.” Would it have been “Islamophobic” for the abject dhimmi British authorities to keep him under closer surveillance?
“Isis killer Mohammed Emwazi had link to 2005 London bomb plot,” by Daniel Boffey and Mark Townsend, the Observer, February 28, 2015:
Mohammed Emwazi, the Islamic State extremist known as “Jihadi John”, was able to flee Britain and the scrutiny of the security services, despite being a member of a terror cell that was known to have links to the failed 21/7 attacks on London in 2005, the Observer can reveal.
One leading member of Emwazi’s network had a telephone conversation on the day of the attacks with Hussein Osman, who was later jailed for life for placing an explosive at Shepherd’s Bush tube station.
The security services were also aware that associates of the 12-strong west London terror group had joined the four 21/7 bombers at a training camp in Cumbria a year before the attempt to bring carnage to London’s streets.
The revelations, contained in court documents seen by this newspaper, raise urgent questions over how Emwazi was able to evade surveillance, slip out of the country in 2013 using false papers and re-emerge in Syria a year later to become the world’s most wanted terrorist….
Chris says
Dead Man Walking #JohntheBeatle
Lee says
And of course the authorities in the UK will do nothing to his parents or to the imams of the mosques he attended. But if you have as many potential terrorist as the Brits have brought in and allowed to be developed you can hardly keep up with the problem which should have been attended to so many years ago.
It is best to kill potential murderers and terrorists before they begin to act. Bad form, I know, but the appropriate course of action.
roger woodhouse says
The Brits don’t ‘do’ proactive prevention . Much prefer to ‘react’ to events.That way no one can be blamed for islamaphobia if things go wrong. Doesn’t matter( to authorities} how many people are killed as a result.
jayell says
“It is best to kill potential murderers and terrorists before they begin to act.” The trouble is knowing who they are, bearing in mind that these characters are devious, malicious, manipulative turncoats who conceal their twisted, destructive, criminal intentions behind a façade of cynically-contrived amenable civility. They are clearly inherently dishonest (thanks to their ‘religion’?) and the only reasonable way to deal with any of them on a daily basis (since we’re apparently expected to tolerate them in the UK) is not to trust any of them one inch. Who would have thought that a ‘nice, gentle, softly spoken’ (sic) computer technician was one and the same person as the barbaric monster on the infamous beheading videos? Likewise the ‘nice. friendly, teaching assistant’ in a school in Leeds, who was one of the depraved 7/7 bombers? It’s interesting to note that all this business is throwing a new light on the nature/nurture debate, which according to recent genetic research seems to be shifting the emphasis away from ‘nurture’ to the ‘nature’ in as much as the experts seem to be finding that genes can determine behaviour as much as physical characteristics. So we in the West can accommodate, educate and ‘influence’ these people as much we like, but in the end, if they’re not basically made of the ‘right’ material, they’re going to revert to type as has ‘Jehadi John’ and the rest of them. Very depressing. It would have been best not to have let them into the country the first place.
roger woodhouse says
The ‘character and nature’ of the British people has been honed over several hundred years to where we are at the moment . Our;nature ‘defined in our culture is one of peacfull coexistance with all peoples . We expect people to be ‘like us’ which is a big mistake . We have allowed into this country ‘peoples ‘ of differing backgrounds from countries far removed from anything remotely resembling our ‘history and lifetime experiences’ Murders committed today on an industrial scale of the most horrific kind would ,fifty years ago have shocked the British people but today hardly raise an eyebrow due solely to the importation of people with a totally different attitude to the value of life that we in this country have fought to preserve
jayell says
Still comes back to the ‘nature v nurture’ point. However much ‘honing’ you do you still have to have certain basic predispositions hard-wired in to begin with to get a certain outcome. Otherwise every human society around the globe would have developed along broadly parallel if not absolutely identical lines, allowing for climactic/geographical variations. They haven’t.
dumbledoresarmy says
As regards Islam: it’s NOT genetic.
Nobody is born with all the Islamic behaviours pre-coded into the dna or programmed into the brain!!
Remember, Islam is only 1400 years old. That is a mere eyeblink of time compared to the length of time that the human species has been around.
Remember, too, that persons from non-Arab people-groups that have *never* been Muslim in the past, who have *not* been inbred for generations, and that are as different in their cultural backgrounds as Jewish, Christian, Hindu and Buddhist – and whose pre-Islamic culture and “race” are wildly different – black African (of all sorts of different tribes), “white” European or Slavic, East and southeast and south Asian – have all, upon converting to Islam, exhibited *all* the destructive attitudes and patterns of behaviour that are seen in those “born-and-raised Muslim”.
What do Bengali and black African (Somali – EAst Africa) or Nigerian / Boko Haram (West Africa) or South Asian (Pakistani) Muslims – or Turkish Muslims – or Persian Muslims – or Chechen Muslims – have in common with each other??? Not their ethnic ancestry. Not their languages. And not the cultures/ religions that their forebears had before Islam arrived on the scene. *All* they have in common is…the Islam programme which was either chosen by or else *forced upon* their ancestors. And given *that* one thing that they have in common: they are all dismally similar.
If one looks at pictures of local Arab Muslim jihadis and then at a gallery of pictures of Israeli Jewish IDF soldiers, one sees people who could be siblings in the same family….except for the *eyes* and the smiles – or lack thereof. The eyes of the Jewish boys are friendly and alive and full of light; the eyes of their Islam-possessed Arab cousins are flat and dead and dark, opening onto the Void.
When Latma did a hilarious comedy skit on “The Muslim War Council”, featuring Erdogan of Turkey, Assad of Syria, Hassan Nasrallah and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, they were able to find actors, nice Jewish boys all of them, who were *dead ringers* , physically, for each of those four sinister personages.
Babs says
“Remember, too, that persons from non-Arab people-groups that have *never* been Muslim in the past, who have *not* been inbred for generations, and that are as different in their cultural backgrounds…… have all, upon converting to Islam, exhibited *all* the destructive attitudes and patterns of behaviour that are seen in those “born-and-raised Muslim”.
That is true and, being so, we should be asking what it is within these people themselves that attracts them to Islam – eg the fact that it gives licence for such sociopathic, violent behaviour. It seems to be “chicken and egg” – does indoctrination into Islam predispose towards such sociopathy or do people introject such behaviour more easily than others, and act in such a barbaric fashion because they are sociopaths?
What do any cult members have in common save their eagerness to abrogate their sense of their own selves and prove their credentials by being as violent as others who have been born into the cult?
It may well be that the expression of the sociopath “leaks” through the eyes. They are, after all, dead emotionally
Babs says
The Conservatives’ partners in government, the Liberal Democrats,are instrumental in terminally undermining Cameron’s efforts to curb the antics of hate preachers at universities – allowed into the country by the very same Theresa May who banned Robert and Pamela Geller.
One more reason for intelligent people not to vote for either party in May. Mind you, the Layabout Party is no better.
M S case says
Wake up politicians!!! You have got to start passing laws That will be effective against these thugs when it is first found that they are probable terrorist. Probable cause laws some with some bite that gives law enforcement the tools they need to arrest and hold these people for a period of time so that more investigation can be done before they are loosed on the public. Do It!!!
Don’t keep letting this happen.. If you suspect an individual may be a terrorist arrest him and if you don’t have a law that will let you do it then pass some… There are many laws that can be passed to help law enforcement. You especially need some law to prohibit the muslims from protesting every time something they think is going against them. Police state? martial law??? That may have to happen if you want to save your life. My life is important to me sure hope yours is too. DO IT!!! AND NOW!!!
JUST DO IT!!!!
M S case says
iF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK AND QUACKS LIKE A DUCK IT IS A DUCK arrest it!!!!!
Babs says
With all respect M S Case, the people in the UK who care and who haven’t been got at by multi-culti nonsense, have been banging on at their politicians since 7/7 but the very same morons who banned Robert and Pamela Geller from the UK after Drummer Rigby’s murder, and yet within a fortnight allowed in a swivel-eyed hate preacher to mess with students’ heads at universities, are either TOO COWARDLY or TOO THICK or TOO DEEPLY IN DEBT TO SAUDI/OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES to do anything about it! They DARE not act because there aren’t enough police to keep in check those who will riot because of Islamofauxbia.
Add to that the craziness that UK governments actually believe that jihadis deserve to have human rights, and we’re skidding down the slippery slope at the speed of light unless we wake up very soon.
A large number of us have, but I can see a very nasty end to all this unless whatever government is returned in May takes this problem by the scruff of the neck and shakes it until its eyes pop out.
Ayatrollah says
What has been the finding of the government investigation into how he became a violent extremist? And what are the recommendations based on this investigation?
Babs says
Would you trust such findings? I wouldn’t. Mohammed Emwazi had deep-seated personality problems even as a child. A news item on UK radio this morning related that even at school he had anger management problems and it took him a long time to calm down.
Inability to self-soothe is one indicator of borderline personality disorder. He was a gift to ISIS which is choc a bloc with personality disordered dregs who act out in the psychotic episodes typical of the sickness.
Jay Boo says
Good Morning Islam.
Muslims, the world is closing in on Islam.
You truly, truly, truly, need to understand this right down to the core of your souls.
The past is dead.
It is time to wake up.
Muhammad is dead. He never even lived.
Islam is death.
RonaldB says
Jay Boo,
This video is WAY off-topic. It’s poignant and riveting, and I can understand how you’d take any opportunity to link to it, however strained.
The brutal murder of a Muslim girl by a conscious and on-going conspiracy by her entire family and community was solved only by the perseverance of two or three outlier police who went against the grain of the police majority, who either ignored, or actively complied with the family’s wish that they look the other way.
There were 4 male Muslim family members who received life sentences, when the film clearly states that possibly 50 members of the Kurdish community, including females, actively knew of the intended murder and agreed to it. They all should have been imprisoned. There was zero cooperation with the police, either by the family or by the community as a a whole, other than the estranged sister and the boyfriend.
The film was inspired, produced, and created by, among others, Deeyah, a Muslim performer who is a real force for Muslim women, as opposed to someone like Irshad Manji. Manji is involved in projects mainly when she is the center of attention, and seems to be minimally interested at this point in anything other than promoting her own books, website, and TV series.
The police conducted an investigation involving significant manpower over months. It was estimated there were as many as 3000 so-called “honor” killings in Britain in one year. There is simply no way the police can provide adequate protection to every woman at risk from the imported Muslim savages. Also, the pressures on police to downplay such events in “minority” communities, and thus avoid the charges of racism, is emphasized in the video. This is the same dynamic as found in the cases of the sex grooming gangs in England, that appear to have operated with not only the knowledge of the police, but their active connivance.
A huge weakness of a democratic government is that it is extraordinarily susceptible to group dynamics and group pressures. When we import Muslim savages from tribal societies, we are importing villages and communities that stick together, and back up the leaders, without resort to individual conscience. This dynamic is undoubtedly a huge reason why the police often pull back from the most obvious dangers to individuals. Once they trigger a reaction from the target of an investigation, they not only have to contend with an individual, but an entire community, engaged in the most conscienceless lying and conspiracy. Again, conscience plays very little part in the dynamics of Muslim savages.
I know I’m preaching to the choir, but here goes.
The most important response is to totally stop Muslim immigration. The more Muslims, the more honor-killings and other community-supported criminal behavior. The higher the proportion of criminal behavior, the more deterioration there is of individual security. There is a temptation to want to protect the tens of thousands of Banaz’s worldwide, who are killed by a remorseless, criminal, Islamic culture. But, like democracy in a Middle Eastern Muslim country, some things are just out of our control and shouldn’t be attempted.
Banaz’s family emigrated to Britain from Iraqi Kurdistan in 1995, when they had no business being allowed in. Banaz herself would probably have been killed one way or another in Kurdistan, as she had some intelligence and independence, both fatal in a Muslim community. But, if she had given herself the education to renounce Islam and come to Britain as an apostate, she should have been guaranteed the protection she would have truly deserved, by a police department NOT overwhelmed by an influx of disproportionately criminal Muslim immigrants.
I guess the connection with Mohammed Emwazi is that in both cases, an overworked, under-trained, clueless security force simply overlooked the danger signs.
jayell says
I’ve just read that last sentence (“an overworked, under-trained, clueless security force simply overlooked the danger signs”). What a state of affairs, that we have to have this sort of security service on regular alert to keep our OWN citizens safe in our OWN country!!! If this were a human body we were talking about here rather than a ‘society’ or a ‘country’ it would be a case of a persistent severe infection being treated with antibiotics (or whatever) on a permanent basis, because it fails to go away. How many self-respecting medics would allow that kind of condition to continue without stronger medical/surgical intervention?
Jay Boo says
@RonaldB
Admittedly the video is very long. The general point that I had hoped to leave behind is that Islam with its “honor” killings is so inherently rotten inside and so flawed that there is absolutely no chance that Muslims with ever achieve their devious Caliphate scheme even with ISIS backing.
I would have no problem with stopping all immigration from countries and cultures that refuse to accept our laws and respect our customs in the West, but that is not likely to happen en mass so I will at least try to reveal to Muslims, that the world is closing in on Islam and their veiled gangster ideology whether they like it or not.
RonaldB says
Jay Boo,
I hope you picked up that I was happy you included the link. The video was riveting and invaluable. I read in the comments that it is being used to train British police.
” I will at least try to reveal to Muslims, that the world is closing in on Islam and their veiled gangster ideology whether they like it or not.”
I do not agree with your statement that Islam will collapse of its own accord. Take the example of Deeyah, the beautiful producer of the film, who is of Pakistani ancestry, was raised as a Norwegian, and is now living in London because of Muslim harassment.
Deeyah is a voice in the wilderness, and has not yet renounced Islam. I don’t mean any criticism of her, as she is one of the most courageous people on earth, but if she has not formally left Islam, who is going to? Not many!!
Islam is very stable in its ability to hold onto communities and tribes. The only way to deal with it is to exclude it. It is going to maintain its identity once it comes inside your borders.
********* The following is from****************************************
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deeyah_Khan
Because music is considered to be a dishonourable and unrespectable profession for women in many Muslim communities Deeyah faced severe abuse and death threats for several years in Norway. Initially the harassment and condemnation was directed towards Deeyah’s parents
“ I remember my dad having to defend the fact that I was doing music, even as a child. I remember this at eight, nine years old where … various people come to the house and say, “We don’t even let our sons do it, why would you let your daughter do this?”.
Deeyah in an interview with David Mattingly for CNN.[6] ”
Despite the increased pressure and violent threats Deeyah’s family continued to support her. After being attacked on stage at her own concert and sustained intimidation she subsequently moved to London at the age of 17 to live and work.
“ No one came to Deeyah’s defence. Not liberal-left or compassionate conservative politicians. Not the BBC or liberal press. Not Amnesty International or the “concerned” artists who take up so many leftish causes. No one cared. To defend an Asian woman from unprovoked attacks by Asian men was to their warped minds a racist or Islamophobic act. Unprotected and unnoticed, Deeyah slunk off to live in an anonymous suburb of Atlanta, and begin the long task of pulling herself together.”
abad says
Islam destroys the human mind, heart and soul. No wonder Satan thrives on Islam and its spread throughout the world. The Bible predicted this and it is coming true.
Beware of the Father of the Lie, Satan himself.
Salah says
Thank you ISIS. Thank you for your honesty.
Yes, the Qur’an is not Islamic enough. Yes, the Qur’an needs a few modifications here and there. Yes, the Qur’an is not the eternal unchangeable book of Allah.
Islam is dying, thank you for precipitating its death.
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2014/08/18/feature-03
http://www.14publications.com/blog/isis-want-to-change-quran/
Don McKellar says
ISIS doesn’t want to change anything in the Koran. They are living the Koran. Your links are just a bunch of bullshit smokescreen propaganda trying to deceive the naive who desperately want to believe a fantasy about Islam, and people like you want to fool them and thereby advance the global jihad against civilization. Get lost.
Salah says
I’m not trying to fool anyone, Don McKellar. Whether the links are propaganda or not is not the point. By unveiling the true face of Islam, ISIS is actually doing a great service to humanity.
Here’s another link…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/isis-destroy-kaaba-mecca_n_5547635.html
roger woodhouse says
Spot on Don. Their whole ‘religion’ is based on a lie and perpetuated by the sword
RonaldB says
Salah,
I always appreciate your contributions and insight, although in this case, I don’t agree with you.
Your thesis is that as the internal contradictions of Islam become more apparent, more and more people will leave Islam and it will decline from its own dynamics.
I respectfully disagree. One reason is that studies on social and psychological dynamics show clearly that most individuals do not act out of purely rational dynamics. Most of their actions are dictated more by situations and group dynamics than by individual reasoning.
Another reason is that Islam consciously dumbs down the individual, genetically and psychologically, to the point that the individual is literally incapable of recognizing or acting on a rational argument.
The leader is ISIS is a PhD in Islamic theology. ISIS has already been doing very well in appealing to Western Muslims, but by dickering with verses, he is just playing insignificant theological games. Whether or not he publishes a bowderized version of the Koran, the horrific scenes of Islamic violence from ISIS areas is going to inspire countless Muslims.
In other words, it’s a fool’s mission to assume that the danger from Islam will dissipate on its own. The only way to deal with Muslims is to keep them in their own countries, and don’t invest Western resources in an attempt to change them. It won’t happen.
abad says
Yep, Containment is the only solution to Islam right now. Better that all the world’s Muslims be in Iraq or Saudi Arabia (the latter is actually better but still…) and withdraw all of our troops, funding, and vested interests. Muslims cannot be civilized by the civilized nations.
Baucent says
The apologists are working overtime to rescue Jihadi John’s reputation.
The BBC is actually running a story titled “I felt like a dead man walking” in which they suggest the attention of the security services drove him to radicalization. However the evidence is those services didn’t have him under close surveillance at all as he left the country unnoticed.
But it is important for the Left and Islamists that even the most evil muslim terrorists are portrayed as victims.
roger woodhouse says
Yes Baucent . By the time the BBC have finished This criminal will be brought ‘home’as a hero
Babs says
It never ceases to amaze and appall me by turns that al-Beeb falls for this!
I suspect that he was recruited to ISIS simply because he was angry and dead inside.
mortimer says
Jihadi John has betrayed the United Kingdom that coddled and nurtured him. He believes he is committing acts of worship by hating, betraying and murdering the British people. This is normative Islam, rather than an aberration. It’s jihad.
Why would the UK continue to import hate-filled traitors filled with this primitive, Bronze-Age philosophy?
Charli Main says
Jihadi John is the perfect Muslim, practicing Islam 101, as preached by Imams in every Mosque and Madrassa in the land.
BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Allah commands it.
ECAW says
The Bronze Age ended around 1200 BC. Mohammed lived at the end of the iron age but his army used swords from India which were presumably steel since steel was being made there from 400 BC.
lois says
Mohammedlived 600AD. Guess what. all religions know that Jesus walked onthisearth. Isn’tthat great!!!
Babs says
It’s a condition of continued Arab funding for the UK’s institutions? Just a thought.
duh_swami says
My mother once told me that if you have nothing good to say, don’t say anything at all…So I’m not going to say anything about this evil demon encrusted devil that is called Jihad John…
roger woodhouse says
He was only following orders from that ‘evil encrusted devil led ‘religion’ called islam
josepxicot says
Unfortunaly there are a lot of bastards like him,well educated,heathy and good feeded,with our nacionality and very very polite,well we the europeans must create spacial rules to fight against
that plague,Europe is not a land where the kilers and terrorist can live in pace.
Angemon says
And who could have guessed that an islamic terrorist would remain involved in islamic terrorism? Certainly not someone working under the assumption of “islamic terrorism has nothing to do with islam”.
pumbar says
I thought the UK was finished? Why is Robert “Joe Kennedy” Spencer even putting anything on his blog about this islamic state?
FarmerMike says
JW Friends, I’m wondering what we could accomplish if–in addition to exchanging opinions on on JW– we each devoted as much time to SPECIFIC ACTIONS, as we presently devote to expressing our opinions here on JihadWatch?
Here are some suggested actions:
1) Email your local, state & national political representatives.
2) Send a letter or an email to a local newspaper or radio or TV outlet.
3) Contact a local church, and hand deliver a print-out of how violent Islam is.
4) Add some bumper stickers, like “Impeach Obama” or “Impeach Cameron” etc. to your car.
5) Form a local “Save Our Country Action Council” to come up with OTHER suitable actions. l.
abad says
We have a church in my state where Terry Jones (yes, THAT Terry Jones) has a congregation but Gainesville is located is too far from me (I’m on the southwest Gulf coast of FL). I have nothing but the highest respect for Rev Jones because he tells the truth about Islam.
Rev Jones will be running again in the 2016 presidential election. May God send him as our nation’s leader for he will purge Islam from the Great United States of America and vanquish Satan’s Islam.
thomas pellow says
Supplementary.
“How Jihadi John had links to 2005 bomb plotters who tried to blow up the tube just weeks after 7/7.
”
Mohammed Emwazi was revealed as Islamic State’s executioner last week.
“He had links to the 2005 bomb plotters who tried to blow up the tube.
“Failed attack was due to take place just two weeks after 21/7 bombing.
52 people were killed and 700 injured in worst terror attack on British soil.
“Court documents reveal key member of Emwazi’s watched terror cell spoke to one of the failed terrorists on the day of the attempted bombing.
“Revelation raises urgent questions over how Emwazi was able to leave UK.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2974277/Jihadi-John-links-bomb-plotters-tried-blow-tube.html#ixzz3T9idQUn3
Paleologos says
Great Britain is probably lost, just like Mark Steyn surmises in his excellent book, “America Alone.”
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/america-alone-mark-steyn/1100265161?ean=9781596985278
Great Britain got “lost” for two main reasons …
1) Taking in too many muslims, whose loyalty is to the vile moon god allah, and the “death cult playbook,” the koran, They favor enslaving or murdering infidels, particulary Jews and Catholic Crusaders. muslims will never admit to any of this, but who trusts them anyway? See how many muslim parents prevented their kids from going into New York City on the morning of 911. islam has been at war with western culture ever since mohammad was spawned from under a damp rock.
2) Allowing horrific islamic law to infiltrate and corrode British Law.
http://rt.com/uk/147713-sharialaw-uk-legal/
Goodbye Sweet Britain!
R/
Paleologos
ECAW says
Partly right (about shariah courts), but the Law Society’s Shariah wills guidance was withdrawn last November after an outcry led by the Lawyers Secular Society:
https://lawyerssecularsociety.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/good-news-law-society-withdraws-its-sharia-guidance/
This was a small but important step in the struggle. We absolutely need lawyers to get involved like no other groups, apart from journalists.