Note the sleight of hand. We’re constantly told that jihad terrorists aren’t true Muslims, but are twisting and hijacking the Religion of Peace. But when Boris Johnson says something about jihad terrorists, a Muslim leader takes offense and claims he is tarring all Muslims. This is a common trope that Islamic supremacists use: I myself am constantly accused of saying all Muslims are terrorists, or sympathize with terrorism, when I have never said anything remotely like that — this is a claim used to shut down any real debate about how jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and supremacism.
“Boris branding Jihadists ‘porn-driven losers’ is akin to TERRORISM, claims leading Muslim,” by Aaron Brown, Express, January 30, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
MAYOR Boris Johnson has been blasted for ‘inciting fear into the hearts of people’ after he branded religious extremists “w*****s” with a fixation on pornography.
General Secretary for the Muslim Women’s Network Mussurut Zia slammed the Conservative politician’s comments as “irresponsible” and “the definition of terrorism”.
Ms Zia said the “sweeping comment” made by Mr Johnson labelled “all young Muslim men as losers”.
“If you look at the definition of terrorism it is to incite fear into the hearts of people – this is what he is doing,” she added.
The General Secretary appeared on Sky News this morning to debate the controversial comments made by Mr Johnson in an interview with The Sun newspaper.
Referencing an MI5 report into Muslim extremism, Mr Johnson had written that religious extremists lured into organisations like Islamic State are typically “tortured” young men who “will look at porn”.
But Ms Zia told Sky News: “I do feel his comments are very irresponsible.
“I think they are going to lead to a further divide […] I think as a politician – and a leading politician – he has a responsibility to all his constituents and the people of Britain not just the readers of The Sun.”
Ms Zia, who works for an independent network of British Muslim women’s organisations, said the London Mayor’s comments are likely to cause fear and are akin to terrorism.
She said: “His comments will cause fear – and that is the definition of terrorism.”
The interview sparked a debate across social media.
On Twitter, Mark Claflin branded Mussurut Zia’s reaction to the newspaper column “wilful stupidity”.
Meanwhile, another use wrote: “Put on @SkyNews now if you want to get angry”.
Ms Zia said more work needed to be done to prevent young men becoming disfranchised and open to “grooming” from organisations like Islamic State….
In other words, come across with the jizya.
Judi says
Well said Boris!
Alissa says
Boris should accuse Ms Zia of hate speech since she is trying to sabotage his attempt to defend victims of terrorism; then Ms Zia can counter accuse Boris of hate speech for suggesting that she’s accusing him of hate speech; then he can counter counter her accusation since she’s suggesting that he would accuse her of accusing him of hate speech; etc. etc. etc. It really has reached that point of absurdity.
terry says
When non Muslim people in the west talk about Muslim terrorists and Jihadis, multitudes of Muslims, including Mussurut Zia, become indignant saying that those who commit such atrocities have nothing to do with Islam.
Ok, now when non Muslims get that and start talking about those same terrorists in terms which have no links whatsoever, by near or far, to Islam, the same so-called “moderate” Muslims become again offended and insulted!
This is the real face of a person, who is not only immature but with a significant stunted development!!
ER says
Someone should explain to this woman that her analogy is all wrong. If our laws were used fully to deal with the Muslim extremists, jihadista and those who apologise for them, the result would (hopefully) produce fear. Maybe the fear of facing consequences would induce them to change their barbaric behaviour. The fear/terror produced by Jihadist barbarians is the result not only of mass murder but a particularly repugnant ways of conducting mass murder. The indiscriminate use of violence yo gain political and other benefits is terrorism. Criticism of that behaviour is not terrorism. If Zia doesn’t like the reputation Muslims are getting vecause of Jihadism, she would be better off fighting those who engage in it rather than turning her misguided wrath on those who point it out.
suzanne rix says
could not agree more. I am sick sick and weary of this turn the other face and show the victims..written in the Koran and followed by the ignorant. IF these Muslims who emigrate to Western countries or indeed are blessed to be born in them, the least they could do is to uphold the values of the host country,,instead we find they pull it apart, demand laws to change to accommodate their peculiar ideology and then are never happy.. Why, because we need to wake up to the fact that this is the agenda.. This is their goal and it is being achieved because we have NO laws nor politicians gutsy enough to combat it. Instead we actually appease this murderous, wilful and dangerous pathway followed by Muslims the world over. Look what they do everywhere they live. Hatefilled speech, laws changed, intolerance, mayhem, chaos , murder et al follow them like a stench. Here in Australia also. We need to be strong and stand up and say WE ARE THE MODERN AND COHESIVE LIGHT OF THE WORLD AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE LOVE WHO WE ARE..so it is YOU who need to change and listen and then there could be peace..But never whilst appeasing the stupid mindset who follows blindly the Koranic verses of a murdering soldier whose history tells did all the things being done today in his name.
cs says
The comments are interesting.
cs says
I say, the comments on the express are very interesting.
Sean says
Did Boris Johnson make his comments from the Qatari-funded Shard?
Georg says
Wow do they get offended whenever we offend “terrorists”, who of course do not exist, unless of course it is in embarrassingly contrived reference to us. And why so offended about offending a group which “Do not represent Muslims”??!?!?? [telling, maybe?] Where do they manage to scrape up all these people so bereft of logic? And why do they make their way to the head of organizations? If she truly is representative of her constituency, they are a group of penultimate dumbasses touchy about criticizing terrorists… niiiiiiiice– just who you want in your society. What a damned plague. Is there any other group of non-native Brits which causes 1/50 the acrimony? Amazing how this doesn’t embarrass them in the slightest– in fact, it’s a badge of honor. It’s become blatantly obvious we’re in a zero-sum culture war with a mortal enemy residing in their bacon-proof beachheads and enclaves. It goes to show the fruits of their living in a culture which becomes hysterical at the first instance of critical thought or criticism. Well, we don’t want anything to do with it! It’s poison! So we’re now expected to speak kindly of terrorists??? This is where we’ve arrived??!? When will the broader public become outraged? The mayor of London makes an objective observation about a group of people attempting to annihilate his society and this woman’s response is to call the people of London’s and Britain’s mayor a terrorist in broad daylight and total comfort in front of the entire country? I don’t know what upsets me more– the nerve of this miscreant and her ilk, or the passivity of the British people.
RonaldB says
Very well said, Georg. I may make some comments myself, but you essentially said it all.
If you will take a bit of advice, try breaking your postings into paragraphs, one idea to a paragraph. It makes more impact than squeezing it all together.
I guess Mussurut Zia would have preferred the mayor to say:
“Jihad terrorists are simply well-adjusted Muslim lads, who have been lured away from peaceful mosque activities by the siren lure of infidel tellies that insist on showing women’s heads uncovered.”
I totally agree with your last comment, about the real upsetting event is that there seems to be absolutely no limit to the idiotic logic or just plain bad will that Muslims can show, and still not a peep from politicians or mainstream media. It seems to show that Western society is totally ripe for the picking, and all Muslims need to do is carry in the ladders.
May I make one more comment. I think that people conceive of Islam as being one big sex circus, with 4 wives and unlimited sex-slaves. However, recall Khomeini’s comments “There is no fun in Islam.” All the wives and sex-slaves will look like Mussurut Zia. Have fun!!!!
mortimer says
Bereft of logic…Islamic Stockholm syndrome.
Georg says
@RonaldB
Thanks for the response. I didn’t intend on writing such a long post… Let’s just say I became inspired. From now on I’ll try and use more formal structure. And yes, “Just bring in the ladders” is what we might as well tell them if they aren’t excoriated for such outrageous and offensive remarks.
@Mortimer
Unfortunately I don’t even think it’s Stockholm Syndrome (a bit of an ironic term as of late, huh), but good ol’ brainwashing. Don’t make the mistake of thinking they must somewhere inside hate this oppression, I did that in college and met a response that helped lead me here.
Angemon says
The ratio of stupidity/number of words is staggering – suffice to say, Mrs. Zia won’t have to buy fertilizer for the rest of her life.
Blitz2b says
For once I can say Mohammed was partially right in one of his statements about women…. But I say partially because it refers only to believing women..
He said “…. Women are deficient in intelligence….”
Islam is actually a disease that makes men aggressive and women stupid.
In essence what she is saying is, the jahadis are NOT Muslims, but shut your mouth about calling them names, because that offends the feelings of Muslims.
RonaldB says
Are you saying that Islam does not make men stupid and women aggressive?
gerard says
The BBC seems to be willing to give to Muslims as much airtime as they want.
Beelzebul Broadcasting Company
DVult says
This woman’s face looks like a donkey and makes me afraid. By her definition she is therefore a terrorist.
Gweorg says
Well, she’s in this irritating range where she’s unbelievably annoying, but just not devout enough to put us out of some of our misery by burqa-ing it up.
Sage says
Now that is quite insulting to donkeys who are beautiful peaceful & maligned creatures. They should not be compared to this ugly cretin.
Andrew GB says
It’s not April 1st is it?
Take the tea towel off your head love and get some work done. I usually feel sorry for imbeciles but that toe rag makes me bloody angry. The BBC are as bad for giving her airtime
Charli Main says
She is just having a bad clitorectomy day, Andrew GB
Kasey says
Another example of Muslims playing the part of the victim…but if the cap fits, then wear it. That’s for all the tacit supporters of Islamic radicals, towards whom Boris’s remarks were directed. It really boils down now to…Who can you trust in any Muslim community?
mariam rove says
All muslims are right and the rest of us are Islamaphobs. Idiots. M
mortimer says
The Islamic paradise is the epitome of pornography! Pornography is normative Islam.
You get to the Islamic paradise by committing acts of terrorism. Terrorism is normative Islam (K.8.60).
Muslims call criticism of normative Islam ‘terrorism’…logical or illogical?
Answer: Illogical, because psychological projection is also normative Islam. Muslims are always ‘pure’ and ‘innocent’. The transfer their guilt to scapegoats.
Everything Mussurut Zia has said reveals these facts.
shabeer_hassan says
Terrorism is normative Islam (K.8.60).
WHEN THEY ENEMY OF MUSLIM START TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIM
8:60 And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them, whom you may not know but whom Allah does know.
And whatever you shall spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly
WHEN THEY INCLINED PEACE
8:61 But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and trust in Allah. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
8:62 And if they intend to deceive you, then verily, Allah is All-Sufficient for you.
He it is Who has supported you with His help and
with the believers.
8:63 And He has united their (believers’) hearts.
If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have united their hearts, but Allah has united them.
Certainly He is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
8:64 O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and for the believers who follow you.
ruth#ALL muslims terrorize the Bible with their koran lies
JUST ONE EXAMPLE :KILLING WOMEN & CHILDREN
ISLAM
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
Women/children killing prohibited:
Bukhari 4.52.256
Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.8
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4456
……….And the of Allah (may peace be upon him) did not kill the children of the enemy, so thou shouldst not kill the children……………
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,258
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
During some of the Ghazawat of Allah’s Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah’s Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
CHRISTIANITY
They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”
Kill everything that “breathes” from humans and animals!
Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Deuteronomy
Chapter 2
32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’ ” … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
Michael Copeland says
The comparison is fatuous and pointless.
The Old Testament is not part of U.S. Law.
The Koran – all of it – is part of Islamic law.
Islam commands the death penalty for denying any verse.
Anyone can do the killing, penalty-free, vigilante style.
john spielman says
Dear Shabeer Hassan: while the Old testament is important for Christians, we are not bound by it because Jesus is the fulfilment of the Old Testament. That is why Jesus dismissed the woman caught in adultery after forgiving her (and how could Jesus forgive her unless He wsa God incarnate). The Old Testament war aginst Caananite s was because God used the Israelites to punish and destroy Caanan (they rejected God’s rule by Malchiazdek) becuase of their wickness. He also used Assyria to destroy the Northern kingdom of israel and the Babylonians to destroy the southern kingdom of Judah after they also rejected Him. God says “vENGENCE IS MINE” He will repay. That is why no Christ followerer is allowed any violence AGAINST ANYONE BUT ARE TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES even you!
Andrew GB says
Shabeer,
Perhaps you should put your efforts into looking for a job and paying taxes rather than living off the state and abusing non muslim children.
Funny isnt it, you criticise the Bible and we just think you’re a misguided fool, we criticise islam and the koran and you want to kill us. I really despise islam and muslims.
More Ham Ed says
Shabeer_hassan thinks he can fool people who can’t or won’t read the Old Testament and New Testament. Christians do not follow the Old Testament which was a RECORD of what occurred and a RECORD of the law given by God. Also, I wonder is the CURRENT DAY problem with Islam a huge problem or just a “tiny” “minority”:
Penalty for Converting to Another Faith – The percentage that believe this is about 68% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 353 million people (at a minimum) believing in the death penalty for leaving Islam.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Can any Muslim document in detail where more than 400 million Christians around the world believe in the death penalty for leaving Christianity.
Don McKellar says
Just seeing her ugly face on TV playing a victim is terrorism.
ruth says
ALL muslims terrorize the Bible with their koran lies ….All muslims are terrorizing the world with their fellow brothers who are murdering, raping, forcing conversins, etc..whom they defend and blame others with their islamophobia crap…THEY ARE ALL TERRORISTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER…
bobm says
in the circle of lies that are islam.. it is impossible not to offend them and push some button.Through centuries of confusion and practiced mental jihad a muslim can be openly thunderously aggressive yet be as sly, slippery and deceitfully deadly as a serpent . they claim the high ground everytime … usually feigning as the victim.
james says
Terrorists are not Muslims they disgrace Islam
http://jihad.info/isis-a-disgrace-to-islam.html
bobm says
Terror is sewn into the robe of islam; the shapeshifters robe .. the magicians cloak… It is written into the hand of islam… to say that isis is not islam is simply a lie… they are like the hand … will islam cut it off?… it’ll be a mahdi cold day in hell before they do.
mariam rove says
Islam is terror. Period. M
Ross says
I’ve said it before: The only good Muslims are the fee who have misinterpreted the Koran.
mortimer says
Criticizing terrorists is ‘terrorism’.
Richie says
In other words, she considers criticism of Islam to be a crime, and no doubt wants any criticism of Islam to be banned
mortimer says
Muslim apologists claim that original Islam meant ‘peace’, but what is the evidence? Mohammed claimed the opposite.
According to Mohammed, original Islam is jihad.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
I heard the Apostle of Allah say: When you enter into the inah transaction (become businessmen), hold the tails of oxen (become cattlemen), are pleased with agriculture (become farmers), and give up conducting jihad, Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion. – Sunan Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455
Conducting jihad is the ‘original religion’ of Mohammed. Mohammed is the authority on Islam.
Mohammed’s Litmus Test
Just as adherence to the U.S. constitution is the litmus test of American identity, so adherence to jihad is Mohammed’s test of loyalty to Islam.
Mohammed’s litmus test is the willingness of Muslims to conduct jihad. That is how Mohammed determined who is a genuine Muslim and who is a lukewarm ‘hypocrite’.
Myxlplik says
Well, since Jihad is a universal principle of Islam, which is represented in action by its Prophet, and Muslims just can’t fully be Muslims without Jihad & terror, then I agree with her, it must be terrifying for Muslims when non-Muslims collectively understand principle. It means the gig is up.
somehistory says
One who actually studies the subject of terrorism, and anti-terrorism, is met right at the beginning with the realization, pointed out in direct information, that there is not one definition of terrorism accepted by all people.
One definition says it is a threat to the population of a country to *cause the government of the country to change* its methods, direction, policy, etc. This is the most widely accepted.
But, there is no statement that is widely accepted, or even mentioned, that defines what the mayor said as terrorism. This *woman* should be offended and terrorized by her own mentality.
She is a beast enabler and should be ashamed. And anyone who actually believes her nonsense lacks all common sense. She is given air time solely because she worships the beast.
Gene Poole says
Muslims have joined other ‘Professional’ Victim Groups that use the rights against us to censor speech and act as the official ‘thought’ police. All it takes is one offended ‘Professional’ victim to send liberals into a frenzy censoring words, flags, movies, holiday/religious events, and/or change the curriculum of our universities. They are aided by corrupt politicians that sell out our liberties to pick up the ‘victim’ vote.
thomas pellow says
Muslima Zia is a rep of one of the many Islamic political lobby groups- this one is-
‘Muslim Womens Network UK.’
In this instance she seems more concerned with denigrating non-Muslim Mayor Johnson’s views, than in opposing activists in the Islamofascist Islamic State.
turretts says
glad to have found this site
the msm wont cover the important news
thanks
Shane says
So Muslims consider insults to be terrorism but raping infidel women is okay!
PJG says
What an extraordinary attack. The arrogance is breathtaking. That British people – authorities, even – now accept the right of their immigrants to speak to them like this is shocking. Fools such as this woman now tell the British what to say, and scold them as if they are in nursery school, and get rewarded with airtime for it…oh, what am I saying? It’s not just Britain. These people can behave like this anywhere in the entire Western world and get away with it.
Radegunda says
* Johnson said that the extremists are losers.
* Zia claims that Johnson labelled “all young Muslim men as losers”.
* Ergo, Zia is acknowledging that all young Muslim men are extremists.
Muslim apologists make things easy for Islam-critics, don’t they?
mortimer says
Robert Spencer has shrewdly assessed the haughty attitude of this supremacist towards the dirty Kafirs!
She is just putting the Kafirs in their place: DON’T YOU DARE DISCUSS ISLAM! Sharia law does not allow Kafirs to speak about Islam. Lord Mayor Boris Johnson doesn’t realize he is a WORTHLESS, DIRTY KAFIR to this very arrogant SUPREMACIST!
Her message: WE MUSLIMS ARE YOUR MASTERS…HAND OVER THE LOOT!
AJ Liberphile says
Boris was not calling all Moslem males sad wanking terrorists, that’s just how this bitch took it.
But to be honest, she does have a point.
Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.
According to Google Trends and Google Insights, Pakistan is top dog in per-person searches for “horse sex” (2004-), “donkey sex” (2007-), “rape pictures” (2004 – 2009), “rape sex” (2004-), “child sex” (2004 – 2007 and 2009-), “animal sex” (2004-) and “dog sex” (2005-).
The country also is tops – or has been No. 1 – in searches for “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other searches that I hesitate to mention.
mortimer says
MUSLIM MALES FROM PAKISTAN are the world champion porno-wankers.
SpiritOf1683 says
Mussratbag Zia, off you go back to Pakistan to join your fellow losers. There, thats my bit of terrorism for the day.
Paul Freeman says
This is the kind of story that should bring gladness to the heart of all decent “Islamophobes”. By such stories, without any further loss of life, the “religion of peace” narrative gets undermined.
As the jihad steps up, western politicians are being forced to ask for the cooperation of Muslims in tackling it. Each time, however, by means of patently dishonest arguments they are rebuffed and told to back off.
The day is surely not far off when someone breaks ranks and goes from Cameron’s “has a problem” to “are the problem”.
BC says
I wonder how often Christians appear to talk about on abuse of Christians on TV in Muslim countries
Lioness says
They are certainly not “losers” in Sharia compliant Britian. Filthy porn-loving jihadi bastards, yes, but losers? No. They are the winners over spinelss British dhimmis.
DVult says
Why is this ugly cow in England ?
mortimer says
Why? As a WARNING to women. This is what Islam does to the mind…EXHIBIT A for Islamic Stockholm syndrome.