We’re always told, on pain of charges of “Islamophobia,” that Islam is not a monolith, but is gloriously diverse. So where is the diversity? 100,000 signed a petition against the freedom of speech. Where are the 100,000 Muslims standing up for the freedom of speech? Where is the Muslim demonstration against blasphemy restrictions? In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre, we have seen Muslims demonstrate against the cartoons of Muhammad in Chechnya, Pakistan, Iran, Niger, and elsewhere, and now in Britain. Where are they demonstrating on the other side?
“Swarming around hero Monty, the hardline Muslims protesting AGAINST freedom of speech: Thousands gather outside Downing Street over ‘uncivilised’ Charlie Hebdo cartoonists,” by Ian Drury and Chris Greenwood, Daily Mail, February 9, 2015:
Hardline Muslims protesting against the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed in cartoons swarmed around a statue of Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery yesterday.
The show of disrespect to one of Britain’s greatest heroes in the war against Nazi suppression of freedom came as more than 1,000 Muslims demonstrated in London against ‘offensive’ caricatures of the prophet.
A boy aged no more than ten was among those carrying placards saying Insult My Mum And I Will Punch You – quoting Pope Francis in the wake of the Paris attacks.
The Pope had said people ‘cannot insult the faith of others’ and that he would punch someone if they offended his mother as he debated freedom of speech following the murders of the Charlie Hebdo magazine cartoonists.
Yesterday organisers refused to allow men and women to protest together, insisting they were segregated.
Despite the rally passing off peacefully with no arrests, the banners carried a thinly veiled threat of violence towards those who continued to exercise free speech. Leaders of the protest also sparked anger by claiming the ‘extremist’ cartoonists massacred in Paris for depicting the Prophet Mohammed were as bad as the jihadis who gunned them down in cold blood.
In a gathering outside Downing Street, the hardline Muslim Action Forum berated ‘uncivilised expressionists’ who drew satirical images of the prophet for ‘sowing the seeds of hatred’ – effectively blaming the victims for their own murders.
Muslims gathered outside the gates to No 10 to protest against ‘offensive’ caricatures in Charlie Hebdo and other Western publications. Protesters gathered yards from the Cenotaph which commemorates those who gave their lives in wartime for freedom. Children were among the crowd which waved placards emblazoned with the words Charlie And The Abuse Factory, and Learn Some Manners.
The rally, which blocked off half of Whitehall, was staged a month after two AK-47-wielding terrorists attacked the Charlie Hebdo offices, killing 12 and wounding 11 in revenge for printing cartoons of the prophet – deemed blasphemous in the Muslim world.
But speakers at the protest provoked anger by appearing to equate in seriousness the drawing of the cartoons with the murders that followed. Shaykh Tauqir Ishaq, a Muslim Action Forum spokesman, said: ‘Perpetual mistakes by extremists, either by cold-blooded killers or uncivilised expressionists, cannot be the way forward for a civilised society.
‘The peace-loving majority of people must become vociferous in promoting global civility and responsible debate. At this time of heightened tension and emotion, it is crucial that both sides show restraint to prevent further incidents of this nature occurring.’
The crowd of protesters shouted slogans and waved placards with the words ‘Charlie and the abuse factory’ and ‘learn some manners’
Davis Lewin, deputy director of the Henry Jackson Society security think-tank, said: ‘These comments are shameful. Let me be crystal clear: discussion of the content of such cartoons is absolutely irrelevant in the context of the radical Islamist executioners that carried out the Paris attack.
‘In Europe, you do not get to object to any kind of material, however distasteful to your beliefs, in that manner. We must reject categorically the false equivalence his risible comments assert.’
Although peaceful, the protests echoed those staged in Britain a decade ago after a Danish newspaper published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. More than 300 protesters marched to the Danish Embassy in central London. On that occasion, the crowd threatened murder and glorified the July 7 bombings in London which killed 52 innocent people.
A leaflet issued by the Muslim Action Forum yesterday claimed recent republishing of cartoons of Mohammed were a ‘stark reminder’ that freedom of speech was routinely abused to ‘insult personalities that others consider sacred’.
It said: ‘Such actions are deliberating insulting and provoking to Muslims worldwide.
‘In an already fragile world we need to move from actions of incitement, hatred and provocation to civility, consideration and respect.’
The group did express ‘deep regret’ at the Paris terror attacks, insisting the massacre was a ‘violation of Islamic law’.
But a number of speakers who addressed the throng of Muslims claimed the drawings were ‘an affront to the norms of civilised society’ – an accusation that drew fury from critics who pointed out that they had not denounced the beheading, crucifixions and rapes in Iraq and Syria.
A delegation took a petition signed by more than 100,000 British Muslims to 10 Downing Street.
Last night it remained unclear who is behind the Muslim Action Forum, founded in 2012, which issued the call to gather in Downing Street. According to their website, they want to ‘promote peaceful demonstration’ in ‘defending the honour’ of the Prophet.
cs says
You don’t need any further proof that they don’t belong here.
jihad3tracker says
Hello cs —
I couldn’t have said it better.
BTW, in another one of Robert’s posts on Monday, I predicted that thousands of “ordinary” British Muslims (not just pro-level gun toters) would begin open-combat jihad around six months from now.
I REVISE MY PREDICTION DOWNWARD.
After reading of the number attested to for that petition, even if a percentage of them are phony:: 3 MONTHS UNTIL THE FIRST BREAKOUT AREAS OF STREET WARFARE..
jihad3tracker says
I took a minute to look at the photos of those “protesters” — and you, too, should look at them.
Then imagine actually BEING in London among them. Listening to them. Seeing the anger and contempt on their faces. Hatred of freedom, but reverence for a man who killed and tortured. Muhammad, the “Ideal Man”.
Reflect on a similar event happening in YOUR states biggest city. How do you feel ? I am nauseated to the point of vomiting. Send this post TO YOUR ELECTED REPS — BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL.
Tell the executive assistant / office manager to have his boss take the time to think about this becoming reality. IF YOU MUST REPEAT IT, DO SO : “LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, SIR” — and use the biggest monitor you can borrow. Then perhaps the full reality will be apparent.
cs says
@jihad3tracker
Yes, it is a complete F**K UP. But mind you, that some of our Technocrats actually saw this situation with good eyes, these mass would represent votes for them, traitors like Galloway, and others.
They imagined, in their poor empty heads, that after a few years, they would be assimilated. BUT, “DO YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL THEM????”
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/tomorrow-belongs
Joseph says
I agree about your 3 month prediction. Things are escalating fast. Here in the U.S. the same shit is going to hit the fan and marshal law will be declared. Guess what happens? Elections cease and we will have “KING/DICTATOR OBAMA”.
truthtroll says
quite possible …at least you have about a half of bilion guns amongst your people to deal with this kind of a problem 🙂
Kenny says
More like Antichrist Obama!
nabi ZK (pbum) says
The nabio knoweth not of which you speak. There is zero chance of mohametans provoking a state of chaos requiring martial law here in the USA. There is zero chance that our election will be cancelled. We, (pbuu), have freedom of speech guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, no matter what the idiot in the White House thinks. There are zero no go zones here and there will be none. There is also no angry backlash against mohametans here, and certainly none is warranted, not against an entire group of people no matter how odious their beliefs may be. They have an iron clad guarantee that they may practice their religion, so called, in peace. If they are not peaceful, then those individuals are criminal and they alone are subject to criminal sanctions. We don’t believe in collective punishment. There is no war here on our soil. Talk of revolution in three months or of King Bozo retaining office through martial law is nonsense and only conspiracy nuts say such things.
nabi ZK (pbum)
Joseph says
I plan for the worst and hope for the better.
I hope you’re correct.
I also hope that Obama does not give “open refugee” status to Muslims.
I hope for all Muslims to go home.
mortimer says
Do vigilantes belong in a civilized country? Consider this:
Sharia permits the murder of anyone who verbally opposes Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593
-“Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions… whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be EXECUTED even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir.” – Ruling on one who insults the Prophet, Shaykh al Munajid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 22809
Alissa says
Does everyone see that placard that says “Learn some manners”? I would like to grab it out of her hands and hit her over the head with it. How dare they! I can’t stand these people. They are vile!
Joseph says
Make sure you say “excuse me” and “please first”. You should also tell them that you are so sorry that they are that stupid.
REMEMBER, MANNERS FIRST!!!
Anna says
Brains would help too. LOL, They think London is Paris ?!
Bet they would not dare protest in France !
somehistory says
For the finger she thinks she is pointing at others…to *learn manners*…she is pointing three at herself. It is bad manners to do what she is doing. muslims have a different sort of dictionary than the rest of mankind. Manners to them means worshipping their satanic demon false god and false prophet, the whole beastly thing.
DVult says
They didn’t say what kind of manners.
Laila says
You do err not knowin g the Quran, Sunnah, Hadiths, Sira & Sharia Law!
THE MANNERS OF MUHAMMAD
MUHAMMAD WOULD THIGH WITH BABY AISHA
HOW TO THIGH & GET HIGH
Now let us see how thighing is practiced on a female child & who began this evil practice. According to an official Fatwa issued in Saudi Arabia, the prophet Muhammad began to practice thighing his child-bride, Aisha when she was 6 years old until she reached 9 years of age (Fatwa No. 31409). The hadith mentioned the prophet Muhammad started performing literal sex with Aisha ONLY when she reached the age of 9 (Sahih al-Bukhari, book 62, hadith No. 89).
Muslim scholars collectively agree, a child becomes an adult, available for sexual intercourse as soon as she reaches the age of nine. Likewise, the Shari’a allows any of the faithful to marry a six-year-old child.
According to the fatwa, the prophet Muhammad could not have sex with his fiancée, Aisha when she was six due to her small size & age. However, the fatwa said that at age six, he would put his penis between her thighs and massage it gently because he did not want to harm her.
Imagine a man of 51 removing the clothes of a 6-year-old girl and slipping his erect penis between her thighs, rubbing her until he ejaculated and his semen ran down her thighs. To this day, this is considered a benevolent act on the part of the adult male “not wanting to harm her.” What harm could be inflicted upon a young girl mentally and emotionally if not a grown man showing her his penis and stripping her of her clothes and rubbing his male organ between her legs?
Of course the twisted mind that does such an evil to a female child, would not hesitate to ejaculate on her body. And if this sexually perverted evil frame of mind committed such an act upon a child, the pedophile would not stop at ejaculating on her. His evil desire would go further and rape the child before she was a mature adult. This is exactly what Muhammad did to Aisha when she was yet a child of 9.
Before she reached puberty, he began to have sex with her. Let us see what the fatwa said about the prophet of Islam and his child-bride, Aisha.”Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet. After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwas (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shamari, with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421(Islamic calendar).
The inquirer asked the following: ‘It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufakhathat of the children (mufakhathat literally translated means “placing between the thighs of children” which means placing the male erected penis between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, also practiced the “thighing” of Aisha – the mother of believers ?’
After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply: ‘It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kofar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the Prophet, peace and prayers of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age.
That is why the prophet peace and prayers of Allah be upon him placed his penis between her thighs and massaged it lightly, as the apostle of Allah had control of his penis not like other believers'” (Fatwa No. 31409).
Thighing of children is practiced in many Arab and Muslim countries, notably in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and the Gulf countries. Also evil practices like altamatu’a bil almuka’aba (pleasure from sexual contact with her breasts), altamatu’a bil alsagirah (pleasure from sexual contact with a baby girl), altamatu’a bil alradi’ah, (pleasure from sexual contact with a suckling female infant), (Reported by Baharini Women’s Rights Activist, Ghada Jamshir)
AISHA WASHING SEMEN FROM MUHAMMAD’S CLOTHES
From the Hadith of Bukhari:
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. ”
Being consistent with its sexual obsession and predatory practices, the Qur’an permits pedophilia (sura 65:4). It also discusses rape in detail. It lets you know that men can rape female slaves and captives (Quran 23:6), even in front of their husbands (Quran 4:24). Other writings advise that when having sex with captives, it’s better if you don’t pull out at the end (Sahih Bukhari 3:46:718).
ALLAH & MOHAMMED SANCTIONED THE RAPE OF FEMALE CAPTIVES:
RAPE JIHAD:
Sahih Muslim Book 08. N 3371Marriage
Chapter: Al-Azl (incomplete sexual intercourse): Coitus Interruptus.
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): O Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (May peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (May peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women;
and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them.
So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him?
So we asked Allah’s Messenger (May peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
REMEMBER:
ISLAM TEACHES THAT RAPE IS ORDAINED OF GOD
ALLAH & MOHAMMED SANCTIONED RAPE
Al-‘AZL
Al-‘Azl, (العزل) also known as coitus interruptus, is the practice of having sexual intercourse with a woman but withdrawing the penis before ejaculation. Apparently al-‘Azl with female captives and slaves was a pretty important topic for Muhammad and his companions as evidenced by the abundance of Hadith material on the subject.
Practiced during Muhammad’s lifetime & ALL OVER EUROPE TODAY
Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle .
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:135
Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interrupt us while the Quran was being revealed. Jabir added: We used to practice coitus interruptus during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle while the Quran was being Revealed.
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:136
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus(RAPE WITHOUT PREGNANCY)?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to PULL OUT. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:432
Abu Said said, “We went with Allah’s Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the ‘Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah’s Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, “It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence.”
Sahih Bukhari 3:46:718
It’s no wonder that 72 Virgins in Paradise are a fundamental piece of Islamic culture. Sex, sex abuse, pedophilia, and enslavement of women take central stage within that religion. Encouraging martyrdom by pointing to sexual rewards in heaven is a natural corollary of that tradition. Although the Qur’an may not be as specific, it nevertheless, offers many clues, which subsequent inscriptions reinforced, interpreted, and broadened.
Richie says
Muslims in England are here for the welfare checks, nothing more. Muslim immigrants in England despise the local culture and people- they demand everyone obey their savage Islamic blasphemy laws. The solution is simple- if Muslims in England don’t like it there, they can leave- and he Muslim immigrants can take the native born muslims with them.
If you want to be a Muslim in England, then keep your religion to yourself, and don’t even think of advocating violence
Alissa says
Ya and that’s really going to work too. They’re all going to wake up one day soon and say “ok we’ve been unreasonable. From now on we’re going to shut up and get along with everybody.”
Brace yourself. It’s going to get nasty. There will be bloodshed and lots of misery because the problem has been left to grow too long. It’s like a flesh wound that should have been treated immediately but it wasn’t and now you’ve got gangrene and could lose your limb or quite possibly die if it isn’t attended to immediately. Muslims are a gross painful stinky infection that’s trying to KILL you and everything you value. Get to the doctor NOW. In other words, muster your courage and get organizing demonstrations every week. Counter every move the muslims make. Get out there in the streets and protest. If you’re retired, all the more reason to get out there and make a lot of noise…you don’t work anymore so you don’t need to worry about losing your job. Gather everyone you know and start something.
truthtroll says
I think it’s gonna take ONE Great MAN (Winston Churchill would do just great) to stand up and tell it how it is, tell the truth about it …at the right time of course …and people will follow. Or something like that. Anyway, good luck with that.
Mo says
@ CS
“You don’t need any further proof that they don’t belong here.”
I really am to that point as well.
For a long time I forced myself into the, “There are many peaceful Muslims” mindset. I don’t like making generalizations. I don’t think it’s right or fair to the people who are members of XYZ group who don’t exhibit the negative behaviors of the others in that group. I hated it in school when the whole class was punished for the actions of a few. It’s not right that the obedient kids got punished along with the disobedient kids! Even as a child, it made me angry because I knew it was unjust. I was a good kid. I didn’t deserve to be punished for things I did not do or even agree with.
But in this case, Muslims have demonstrated all over the world, over and over and OVER that it’s not “just a few.” It may be only certain Muslims who are actively committing the violent acts. But the rest of them have shown – repeatedly, for years – that they won’t say or do anything about their violent coreligionists. In fact, they actively work AGAINST saying or doing anything about their violent coreligionists. Does that not make them share at least some of the blame? I think it does.
I’ve also had enough of the, “Westernized / secular Muslims don’t really know much about what their religion teaches” excuse. You know what? If you’re a Muslim, you SHOULD know what your religion teaches. In fact, what sort of person claims to follow a religion that they know nothing about? That doesn’t even make sense.
I can see maybe in poor countries where illiteracy is rampant and people have little or no access to information. But that excuse does not fly in Western, free countries. You can buy a Koran at almost any bookstore. I see them all the time. You can get one in libraries. And if you have access to the internet, you can read it online. There are multiple volumes of hadith, and I can’t expect anyone to read them all. I sure haven’t! But you can look up those things online as well.
Enough with the excuses that most Muslims don’t know what their ideology teaches! They know. And they follow it anyway. Think about that. They know their religion was started by a warlord and a child rapist. They know that their ideology commands them to subject the entire world under Islamic law. They know their religion commands and condones violence against unbelievers.
And they follow it anyway.
Does all of this mean that we should go beat up our neighbor who is a Muslim? Of course not. But it does mean that we start asking these hard questions and holding “peaceful Muslims” accountable for answering them and addressing these issues.
Muslims need to pick a side. Are they on the side of freedom and civilization? Or are they on the side of slavery and savagery?
I think that’s a fair question. I think it deserves an honest answer from ALL Muslims. Don’t you?
Alissa says
Muslims, moderate or extreme have taught the world to be very very cautious of them. The fact that they self identify as muslim and are ok with that worries me. Their whole faith rests on a prophet with disgusting and disturbing traits. Compare mohammed to Jesus. Why would anyone choose islam over Christianity?
Mo says
@ Alissa
“Muslims, moderate or extreme have taught the world to be very very cautious of them. The fact that they self identify as muslim and are ok with that worries me. Their whole faith rests on a prophet with disgusting and disturbing traits. Compare mohammed to Jesus. Why would anyone choose islam over Christianity?”
I know! I wonder the same thing all the time!
If I was a Muslim and even heard rumors that Mohammad was a warlord, or that he first thought he was possessed, or that he had sex with a nine year old girl, or that unbelievers are to convert, submit or die, I’d gather the Islamic texts and not leave the house until I read them in detail. And if it turned out the texts actually do say these things, I’d RUN from Islam as fast as I could go!
That’s exactly what I mean. What sort of person continues to follow a religion after they learn it teaches and commands such vile things?
voegelinian says
“I don’t like making generalizations. I don’t think it’s right or fair to the people who are members of XYZ group who don’t exhibit the negative behaviors of the others in that group. ”
It’s just a matter of rationally noticing data and making rational inferences from that data. We possess sufficient data upon which to make the rational inference that among the Muslims who ostensibly don’t seem to be dangerous (the smiling blue-jeaned Muslims who are not currently stabbing, shooting, torching, or exploding), we cannot trust any single one of them to be — to put it most mildly and generously — sufficiently opposed to their co-religionists to make a difference to our society’s safety.
The more robust formulation (still eminently reasonable, given the danger and the data of stealth jihad we have) would be that we cannot trust any single one of them to be not enabling and/or possively and/or actively supporting their co-religionists. Given the nature of the danger we are talking about (and what is that danger, anyway? you get different answers from different people in the Counter-Jihad), we as a society must re-orient ourselves (or, rather, re-Occidentalize) ourselves to making a unique exception of Muslims — as being the one people we simply cannot tolerate to live among us in our soceities.
Operation Buh-Bye.
Operation Bon Voyage.
Operation Bum’s Rush.
Operation Don’t Let the Tent Flaps Slap You Where Allah Crapped You.
Operation GTFO.
Mo says
@ voegelinian
“We possess sufficient data upon which to make the rational inference that among the Muslims who ostensibly don’t seem to be dangerous (the smiling blue-jeaned Muslims who are not currently stabbing, shooting, torching, or exploding), we cannot trust any single one of them to be — to put it most mildly and generously — sufficiently opposed to their co-religionists to make a difference to our society’s safety.”
Well stated. And so sadly true.
I do feel sorry for those Muslims who are indeed just going about their lives and not harming anyone. But the practice of taqiyya and kitman puts even that into question!
Plus, I am just tired of the “Muslims don’t really know what their religion teaches”. With atrocity after atrocity committed “in their name”, you’re going to tell me Muslims haven’t been curious as to how and why these coreligionists do these things? Especially when the jihadists proudly cite chapter and verse?
Seeing these acts on the news day after day has never caused the average, Westernized Muslim to wonder, “What DOES the Koran actually say? Who WAS this Mohammad that they say they are defending and emulating? Hm, maybe I should find out.” And then do a hour or two of searching and studying via Google? That’s all it would take to gain a basic understanding of what this religion is all about!
I think a fair question to ask all Muslims is, “Why do you follow a religion you seem to know so little about?”
***
It’s truly one of the most insidious ideologies I’ve ever seen.
Laila says
ALL MOHAMMEDANS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!
THEY SUPPORT & FOLLOW A MURDERING, RAPING, CHILD MOLESTING, THIEVING ARABIAN THUG, AS THEIR HOLY PROPHET!
FOR THAT ALONE, THEY SHOULD BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!
ALL MOHAMMEDANS FINANCIALLY SUPPORT JIHAD AGAINST KAFIRS!
Mo says
@ Laila
“ALL MOHAMMEDANS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!
THEY SUPPORT & FOLLOW A MURDERING, RAPING, CHILD MOLESTING, THIEVING ARABIAN THUG, AS THEIR HOLY PROPHET!
FOR THAT ALONE, THEY SHOULD BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!
ALL MOHAMMEDANS FINANCIALLY SUPPORT JIHAD AGAINST KAFIRS!”
Get lost, “Laila” and take your lunatic-like shrieking with you. That is not my view and you will not twist my words. Take your filth elsewhere.
Troll.
Laila says
ALLAH WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU ARE BUGGING YOUR WIFE.
Distortion committed by Bukhari whilst copying down a tradition in his ‘Sahih’ pertaining to the legitimacy of sodomy
We read in the Holy Quran:
Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will (Yusufali, 2:223).
In various Sunni works we read that testimony of Abdullah Ibn Umar regarding the reason for the revelation of the said verse qua legitimacy of performing buggery on one’s wife. Hafiz Jalaluddin Suyuuti for example recorded in Tafseer Durre Manthur, Volume 1 page 638:
وأخرج الحسن بن سفيان في مسنده والطبراني في الأوسط والحاكم وأبو نعيم في المستخرج بسند حسن عن ابن عمر قال: إنما نزلت على رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم {نساؤكم حرث لكم...} الآية. رخصة في إتيان الدبر.
Hasan bin Sufiyan in his Musnad, Tabarani in Al-Awsat, Hakim and Abu Naeem in Al-Mastakhraj with a ‘Hasan’ chain of narration narrated from Ibn Umar who said: ‘This verse was revealed upon the Holy Prophet (s) in respect of the permissibility of performing sex in the anus of a woman’
Curiously, when it came to the great Imam Bukhari, he felt compelled to record the statement of Abdullah Ibn Umar in an incomplete manner. We read in Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 50:
Narrated Nafi’: Whenever Ibn ‘Umar recited the Qur’an, he would not speak to anyone till he had finished his recitation. Once I held the Qur’an and he recited Surat-al-Baqara from his memory and then stopped at a certain Verse and said, “Do you know in what connection this Verse was revealed? ” I replied, “No.” He said, “It was revealed in such-and-such connection.” Ibn ‘Umar then resumed his recitation. Nafi added regarding the Verse:–”So go to your tilth when or how you will” Ibn ‘Umar said, “It means one should approach his wife in ..”
‘In’ what? Of course IN her anus and whilst Hafiz Jalaluddin Suyuti and other famed Sunni scholars recorded this fact, it was Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani who filled in the blanks whilst commenting on the cited tradition of Bukhari:
في إتيان المرأة في دبرها
“Approach the woman in her anus”
Fatah ul Bari Sharah Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8 page 190
Imam Bukhari has recorded this tradition in his ‘Sahih’ with the following chain of narration:
Ishaq (bin Rehwiya) – Nadar – Ibn Aun – Nnaf’i
Now the most interesting part is that Bukhari actually copied down the above statement of Abdullah Ibn Umar from his Shaykh, namely Ishaq bin Rehwiya as mentioned by Ibn Hajar Asqalani:
فقد أخرجها إسحاق ابن راهويه في مسنده وفي تفسيره بالإسناد المذكور ، وقال بدل قوله حتى انتهى إلى مكان ” حتى انتهى إلى قوله نساؤكم حرث لكم فأتوا حرثكم أنى شئتم فقال : أتدرون فيما أنزلت هذه الآية ؟ قلت لا . قال : نزلت في إتيان النساء في أدبارهن
Ishaq bin Raheweh recorded it in his Musnad and his Tafsir with the same chain, when it reached the part “your wives are tilth to you, so go to your tilth anyhow you will” he said: ‘Do you know what for this verse has been revealed about?’ They said: ‘No’. He replied: ‘It has been revealed in regards to approaching women in their anuses’
Interestingly whilst citing the said tradition verbatim Bukhari committed deception and did not quote the words of his Shaykh opting to leave a blank, in the hope that the attention plan of his readers would be short enough to confuse them and direct them to the next narration.
NOW THAT’S A RIGHT PAIN IN THE ARSE!
Babs says
@Mo, I agree with your points about the mindless, literal obedience of Muslims to Islam’s teachings. In the light of that they have a ruddy cheek to argue that the violence all over the world, most of it perpetrated by Muslims, has nothing to do with Islam!
I am sick and tired, too, of the interfaith industry which insists that, no matter what atrocities are perpetrated against kufr by this nasty ideology, it can still be reasoned with as though its slaves are sentient human beings who are capable of critical thought if only we could try harder to understand them!
This evening, the choir I belong to at my church was invited to an interfaith gathering with Muslims. I refused to participate and said so openly in front of my friends. I said that just because the Muslims who would be visiting us behaved hypocritically and, so far as I knew, had never distanced themselves publicly and unequivocally from the heinous crimes committed against our brothers and sisters in faith and against Jews by Islam, I was not prepared to be associated with them and be a hypocrite myself.
My friends’ sense of shock was palpable but no-one attempted to make me change my mind. I got the feeling that I had actually said what some of them were thinking but lacked the courage to say themselves. Perhaps I opened a door? I devoutly hope that I did.
And I stand by what I said. Until Islam distances itself from its violence and supremacist attitudes towards other beliefs
Mo says
@ Babs
“This evening, the choir I belong to at my church was invited to an interfaith gathering with Muslims. I refused to participate and said so openly in front of my friends. I said that just because the Muslims who would be visiting us behaved hypocritically and, so far as I knew, had never distanced themselves publicly and unequivocally from the heinous crimes committed against our brothers and sisters in faith and against Jews by Islam, I was not prepared to be associated with them and be a hypocrite myself.”
I think it’s right that you did not participate. (Although I think a better explanation/approach would have been to focus on the ideology, not the people.) Still, you were right to not participate. If you’re a follower of Christ, you do not in any way worship the same god that Muslims do. Therefore, “interfaiith” events are at best, pointless, and at worst, blasphemous.
Now, if you’re talking about having an honest open discussion about the issues surrounding Islam, and the Muslims are willing to do so, then that’s different. But this nonsense of equating Islam and Christianity as though they are more or less the same thing and can’t we all just get along and hold hands and sing “Kumbaya” is wrong on all levels!
Paul says
They come here to escape tyranny, then they hack away bit by bit
at the democratic countries that gave them refuge until they
resemble the hellholes they were so desperate to leave!
If they want ‘respect’ and ‘manners’ then why not just piss off
to somewhere ideal like Saudi-Arabia or Pakistan? If they were
made to do that, you’d see an extremely quick change of heart and
a sudden appreciation of Britain – I guarantee it!
As for the restrictions of freedom of speech, don’t they realise it’s
already severely restricted here thanks to them and their phoney
and contrived grievances and endlessly hypocritical
self-pity?
voegelinian says
You do need further proof — the violent supremacist-expansionism their religion is pursuing (and has been pursuing since its inception, 1400 years ago); with the pursuit realized in hundreds of terror plots over the years that have mass-murdered us, and which portend only worse in the years ahead. Without this context of violent jihad (coordinated with stealth jihad), their remonstrating demonstrations against our values suddenly dwindle to a minor multi-cultural problem. Fortunately (or unfortunately), we have such further proof — a veritable mountain of it.
CogitoErgoSum says
Since Muslims get to sound off every time they are offended, I would like to say that I find the term “Prophet Muhammad” just as offensive as Muslims would find the term “False Prophet Muhammad.” Why not refer to him as Muhammad, the man Muslims believe to have been a prophet? Calling him “Prophet Muhammad” implies that everyone should think of him as a prophet and a holy man of God. I do not go along with that way of thinking.
john spielman says
I agree but what we think makes no difference to govt that only cares to plicate crimminals and those who threaten violence such as muslims if ” offended” These muslims don’t realize in a free society that we have the right to be offended and if muslims don’t agree them deport them,
The Doctor says
That’s the point – they ARE trying to imply that Mohammad _IS_ _THE_ Prophet. Remember, any insult to Mo deserves death, and since they know their fellow Muslims are just as ready to kill someone as they are, they are afraid to risk anything that implies any disrespect, which is why they almost always follow Mo’s name with either PBUH or SAW (which is just the Arabic initials for PBUH – Peace Be Upon Him). Like Jews won’t even say the word “God” or write it for fear of accidentally breaking the commandment in which one is not to take the Lord’s name in vain, Muslims are _very_ careful about how they refer to Mo out of fear for their own lives.
Tommo says
I wondered why Jews write the God word ‘G-d’.
It will be only a matter of time, if the Muslim free speech petition succeeds, that we the Infidel will be prevented from saying Mohammed, The Prophet or referring to him in any way at all. It will also be a crime to write his name unless you’re a Muslim.
john spielman says
so are we then to refer to muhammed as”pppod”- THE PEDOPHILE PSEUDO PROPHET OF DEATH?
somehistory says
I think I am more offended than they are. One reason I believe this is due to the fact that muslims don’t use logic…one muslim cleric even says that logic and reason are not part of islam. Logic tells me that the so-called prophet is not even worthy of my disdain as he is not worthy of thought, being he was so vile a creature. Demonic, devil-worshipper that he was, every time I hear his name or see these people advocating for their laws on saying anything about him, makes me nauseated with disgust.
Would that the mountain that had to be brought to him falls on him and covers him so deeply, not one person is able to even think of him again. The beast has a limited amount of time to try to force everyone to bow to its image and then it will be no more. satan is destined for the pit…and the lake of fire…which by that time, will hold the false prophet and the wild beast.
(Rev.13;17; 19:20; 20:10)
CogitoErgoSum says
“Logic tells me that the so-called prophet is not even worthy of my disdain as he is not worthy of thought, being he was so vile a creature.”
Somehistory, what you said interests me. Any free country that starts passing laws against insulting Muhammad should take it all the way and prohibit any mention of his name whatsoever. That would allow the law to be applied fairly to all of its citizens. Wipe any mention of Muhammad from human memory so that there is no possibility of him being insulted by anyone ever again. This clearing of the slate would include outlawing all the hadiths about him, any stories about him and any written or oral works associated with him, including the Quran. Then one day some clerk or Revisor of Statutes would come across the law and say, “Who was this Muhammad?” and strike even that reference from the law books. After that, no more insults to the the man who was totally forgotten. See what suppression of freedom of speech can bring about?
somehistory says
Well, that is logical. And goes along with the Bible’s admonition at Philippians 4:8. I think from this moment forward, the vile creature will not be in my thoughts. Thanks, CogitoErgoSum.
particolor says
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jcollins says
well said CogitoErgoSum. i’ve often thought the same thing. seems the Truth hurts these thinskined muslimes. poor babies
john spielman says
those people who believe in restricting free speech should be deportred to the nearest CRAPISTAN even if citizens . If no one will take them, send them to Antartica and let them proselytize to the pequins and seals
JOHN SPIELMAN says
oops that should be “‘PENGUINS”
john spielman says
oops that should be PENGUINS
particolor says
The Crater of Mt Erebus is Nice this time of Year !! 🙂
Jeff says
Muslims just can’t help themselves. They show their own inability to be part of any society except those dominated by Islam. Time to figure out a deportation schedule. Start with the Pakistanis.
Keith says
I don’t think the muslims are even capable of living as part of any society even those dominated by Islam
Andrew GB says
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. What a fragile lot they are. Unfortunately with them breeding like rabbits the politicians have to consider the muslim vote. I wouldn’t be surprised if some law was passed about pedo mo the cross dressing false prophet and people calling him names.
If this shower of shit thats protesting dont like free speech then why dont they bugger off to ISIS. It should work both ways. Where was their respect to fieldmarshal Montgomery when they were hanging around his statue?
Where is the islamic respect for the kids in; Rotherham, Sheffield, Heywood, Rochdale et al?
The British uprising will happen all it needs is a long hot summer and more scandals.
RinTinTin says
“Uncivilised expressionists”. Is that a post-modern movement that I somehow missed? They sound rather fun to me.
Charli Main says
I have only one thing to say to Muslims who don´t want to be subject to British laws and don´t believe in democracy and freedom of speech
XXXX OFF BACK TO WHAT EVER MUSLIM SHITHOLE YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM.
Lu says
You cannot do that. They are either citizens or residents. There is no legislature allowing the government to rescind their privilege to live in the country.
In short – there is no easy way out of this mess. I see one way only – a civil unrest, insurgency of Westerners (i.e. original populace of the country) against “them”, in short – a civil war; it is bound to be bloody and very painful for our countries to regain control of our freedoms. On a personal level – I am probably going to see it “live” as my parents saw the rise and fall of Hitler’s Dritte Reich – similarities abound.
Boston Tea Party says
I tend to agree with Lu. I think we’re beyond the point of legislating our way out of the mess–the historical forces that got us into this in the first place aren’t going to be easily reversed.
mariam rove says
100 K in signature. In UK that is enough to curb freedom of speech. m
Tommo says
No it isn’t.
It only means that they have acquired sufficient signatures for the government to consider a law change
The changes Muslims want would be objected to at every level and therefore unlikely to become law.
Champ says
Sign should read: I am a slave of satan (perdition be upon him)!
And of course freedom of speech is NOT the issue, and once again muslims have everything backasswards.
Champ says
I mean freedom of speech is not the real *problem* …and if I have to spell it out more clearly for you, then go away, ’cause you’re too dumb to be here anyway.
Jaladhi says
Islamic terrorists – it’s not a tiny minority!!
somehistory says
Am I alone in having problems still with comments taking a long time to post and also showing as being logged in as the last person….this time as Champ…whose comment was posted?
Keith says
Your not alone I am having the same problems. Have to logout and log back in again to see my posts and to ensure it is credited to me.
Joseph says
Delete your previous days history. I was having the same problem. After your post double back (click on it twice) on the previous arrow button. Then reopen the page.
Angry says
Did some research into this fascist protest. I can confirm that the ‘so-called’ anti-fascist’ brigade (UAF, SWF, Labour, Greens, Unions) didn’t organise, or take part, in a ‘counter-protest’.
Hmmm… I wonder why?
Oh.. the EDL are BANNED from protesting anywhere near Downing Street, maybe that’s why!
Paul says
It’s no mistake that the likes of the SWP and Unite Against Freedom
weren’t there at a counter protest. Unlike genuine liberals and real human
rights activists, these cretins, just like their Islamist comrades, are anti-Semitic,
anti-Christian, anti-democratic and anti-Western self-hating whites (for the most
part) who also believe that they have a monopoly on what opinions are
acceptable. I just wish we could deport them to the Islamic State so they
could feel the ‘cultural enrichment’ at the hands of ‘Jihadi John’.
Michael Copeland says
Comply with Sharia or face murder
We are not taken in. The lies and transparencies are all too obvious. The “show of strength” was an act of hostility dressed up as a peaceful demonstration. The Muslim Action Forum says it is “inviting the world to civility in any form of expression”. “Civility” rings hollow. Does that include calling people “cattle”, or “apes and pigs”, “the lowest of animals”? Or is that not civility? We are not told. Of course, “Inviting the world to civility” is the Muslim Action Forum equivalent of the Mafia “Making an offer you cannot refuse”. It is a coded threat. The purpose of their assembling with menaces is to send the message: comply with Sharia or face murder.
Paul says
You’d think that they’d at least demonstrate about terrible
things that have happened to fellow Muslims, like the flogging
of Raif Badawi in Saudi-Arabia or the horrific murder of the
Jordanian pilot by the Islamic State. It’s clear from their
repressed and soulless faces that they have been completely
brainwashed and are damaged goods. Their sympathies will be
with the terrorists, and they’ll bring up their kids the same.
The cancer goes on and on.
Rezali Mehil says
you gotta remember that only a 200 years ago that someone who had a placard blaspheming against Christianity would get burned at the stake.
These peoples are*just* like your forefathers… only 200 years later.
Now you peoples gave up on Jesus pbuh too quickly …and indeed some muslims will give up on Jesus pbuh too…but will they give up on the rasool SAW …that is the real question.
You can see that Obama is such a loyal muslim …he is the leader of the *free* world…. I have no doubt that he recalls his muslim prayers when no one is looking.He will have phoned Cameron to kindly accept the petition and keep it in a safe …don’t want it being lost now do we?
Not insulting Muhammad SAW…is not a big thing to ask for anyway…just go ahead and insult someone else instead.
Boston Tea Party says
Americans in 1815 would be burned at the stake for blasphemy? I did not know that! Islamic readings of history are so enlightening, just like Muhammad himself. (PB&J, or whatever)
pumbar says
Jalfrezi got a F in GCSE History so you better listen to her “wisdom” (snigger).
Diana says
Actually nobody has been burned at stake in England since 1558. It is not good that 450 years ago we burned people alive just for freedom of speech, but nobody is trying to claim that it was good. Everyone now agrees it was bad.
We don’t want that kind of attitude back in Britain, and we don’t want anyone living here in 2015 to behave like our forefathers.
The protesters are certainly allowed to ASK us not to insult Muhammad. Their freedom of speech to ask does not make it reasonable that their request should be granted. In fact it is an outrageous request, for the following reasons.
(1) Muhammad is a dead man. Defamation laws do not apply to dead people.
(2) Freedom of speech means, before anything else, the right to criticise political leaders (Muhammad was a political leader). The second thing it means is the right to mock or insult religion (Muhammad founded a religion). If we don’t have those two rights, we don’t have freedom of speech. People who consider criticism of religion an abuse of free speech should not try to live in a free-speech zone.
(3) Muhammad did a great many things that would be crimes if they were committed in Britain today. Since so many people in Britain claim to be following Muhammad’s example, it is essential to describe, publish and criticise his criminal behaviour. That way people can make an informed choice about whether they really want to follow his example. If they do, the rest of us can make an informed decision about how to deal with those people.
In the current political climate, exposure and criticism of Muhammad is a social necessity. He is the one person who really needs severe and rigorous criticism.
Keith says
Muslims are offended by any criticism of Islam and their pedophile prophet Mohammed. I bet I talk for most people on this site when I say that I am seriously offended by the Qur’an saying that I, being a non muslim, am the vilest of creatures, that the muslims must attack us at any opportunity. What makes them think that they are more offended than all us infidels once we read their vile holy books and understand what the contents really are.
Auckland says
England, the land of hope and glory has gone. Time to say our goodbyes and switch off the life support. Very sad to see her go.
pumbar says
Gone where?
Auckland says
So glad you asked. The filthy pedophile prophet – the murderer, the rapist, the lier, etc., etc – and his teachings have been so successful at infiltrating the minds of low IQ inbreeding drones that the UK can no longer think for itself and the UK that I once knew is no more.
Tommo says
At least our country’s meat production isn’t run by Muslims like in New Zealand where I presume you live and where mosque building and immigration from Muslim countries is progressing at an alarming rate.
Wellington says
Reading this article just confirmed for me again that the real problem is not all the clueless, despicable, freedom-hating Muslims out there, plentiful as they are and quite scarce as the Zuhdi Jasser type is, but rather the current crop of Western elites who have allowed the followers of the worst, and I mean the WORST, religion of all time to have entrance to the West en masse in the first place.
Just as other totalitarians, like Marxists and Neo-Nazis, should not be allowed entrance to Western nations, so should it have been the case with Muslims, believers in a religion which is pure spiritual fascism. The ultimate sin is upon the heads of people like Tony Blair, Barack Obama, Theresa May, John Kerry, David Cameron, George Bush, Gordon Brown, John McCain, the BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, the CBC, The Guardian, The New York Times and academics in huge numbers in Western universities, all of whom have failed Western Civilization, which is light years ahead of Islamic society, desultory, destructive and despicable as Islamic society as always been, by their seemingly never-ending defense of a religion they know so little of (even though they think they do—-Joe Biden comes most forcefully to mind here trying to lecture Hirsi Ali on Islam). Yes, even in those so-called golden years of medieval Islam, which have been embellished to such extent that it functions as a major insult to the truth of things, Muslims aplenty were carrying out the many awful dictates of Islam.
In short, Islam is rotten. Always has been. Always will be. But the current body of Western elites are rotten too. Western elites in the past, whatever their faults, ordinarily still could recognize evil when they saw it. Not so with the Western elites of our day. And herein lies the real difficulty, the real problem. Those silly Muslims pictured above, enemies of freedom as they are, are able to do and be where they are because of the MASSIVE failing of today’s Western elites. The sin first and foremost upon these elites.
Lu says
Excellent summary – I would say even an artistic rendering of what our presence is all about …
I feel such sadness when witnessing our slow demise and surrender to barbarians. 100k signatures yesterday against something which we in the West hold almost sacrosanct: freedom of speech. So the Brits would have to do SOMETHING with it, right?
Charlie Hebdo was the Pearl Harbor of France: France’s most sacred symbol she has fought for during the centuries was brutally attacked. Will an adequate response ensue? – Reading your words the answer is: hardly ever.
Michael Copeland says
“News over the last few days serve only to reinforce my belief that British politicians and media journalists have already submitted before Allah, or have large off-shore bank accounts bulging with treacherous blood money as a reward for betraying their country.”
Paul Weston, Chairman of Liberty GB.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/02/a-typical-week-in-dhimmi-britain/
eib says
The British elite, one year older, more stupid yet. Show these bastard Brits the door and kick them to the curb.
Tayloch says
I’m sort of surprised that no one has noticed (or at least commented) that the one of the signs in the photo (above) on this extremely revealing truth:
I am a Servant of Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H)
Thanks, muslims, for reaffirming to us “non-believers” whom it is you really worship.
CogitoErgoSum says
It does appear as though the Muslims have their own triune god of Muhammad, Allah and Satan. The three are as one and each one of the three is a co-equal master of the slaves who have submitted to evil. Break your chains, Muslims, and declare yourselves free men and women.
Michael Copeland says
“Of all men, I hated the prophet the most —
for he killed my husband, my brother, and my father,”
Safiya, wife of Mohammed
Baladhuri’s ninth century Kitab Futuh al-Buldan (“Book of Conquests”).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-sex-slaves-and-prophet-muhammad-128186/
Matthieu Baudin says
Are they throwing down the gauntlet; our (their) way or nothing?
Michael Copeland says
They are Demanding With Menaces
gp says
That ghastly looking crew would look perfectly normal in Saudi Arabia- not so much in the UK. ISLAM is wholly incompatible with Western civilization and concepts such as peace, tolerance, and differing opinions. That is why they push their sharia law and carry signs like: Freedom Go To Hell.
jay says
I’m sure they’ll get it. European countries are fighting over who gets to be the next Lebanon.
Tommo says
‘Learn Some Manners’ their banner reads.
I wish they would. They offend me on a daily basis.
Lia Wissing says
What’s the difference between ‘hardline’ (as used in the quoted article) & radical muslims?
voegelinian says
“What’s the difference between ‘hardline’ (as used in the quoted article) & radical muslims?”
Ask the Jihad Watch Softies; they’d be happy to explain their incoherent belief to you. They usually hang out over by the badminton courts in the afternoon, when they’re not chasing butterflies in the orchard out back.
Proud English Infidel says
I’m off to a muslim country to preach about The Lord Jesus and build some churches…….I may be some time.
particolor says
How would You like Your Body to be returned to Your Homeland !! after Your Preaching to The Religion of Peace ??
Proud English Infidel says
When Enoch Powell made his ‘rivers of blood’ speech all those years ago, the lefties howled with rage. What he was talking about was NOT a man’s skin colour but the poison of multiculturism which was foisted upon us with the usual cry of ‘racist, fascist et al against those who dared to question it. His prophetic words have now come true and will lead to more bloodshed in Britain – but don’t question islam because it is a religion of peace. My a**e!
John Magne Trane says
“I am a servant of holy prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h)” one sign reads. Peace be upon him…
The other servants and Muhammad himself have killed 270.000.000 humans, men, women, children, elderly, since Muhammad sent out his first assassin.
Peace be upon them.
Proud English Infidel says
Or another word beginning with P………………
Radek Ehl says
Sadly i think its too late for UK, the muslim numbers are rising rapidly there and i think deporting them all away is out of question too. Blame your government and doing nothing in the past 10 years. Loo at Sweden, you are next and then Netherland, France and Belgium.
I hope that people in czech republic wont do the same mistake and will fight against mass imigrations financed by EU and UAE.
voegelinian says
“Sadly i think its too late for UK, the muslim numbers are rising rapidly there and i think deporting them all away is out of question too.”
Deportation is “out of the question” because it’s “too late”? Or for some other reason? Funny how oftentimes it’s the anti-Deportation types who are also extremist about their gloom & doom.
Huck Folder says
I wonder what the UK police, especially members of NAMP,* would have done if anyone other than moslems had climbed on statues, particularly of WWII heroes?
Maybe those were mostly NAMP fifth columnists escorting their fellows, looking the other way if there were any infractions, and carefully shielding them from protests by REAL British citizens?
* NAMP = National Association of Moslem Pedophiles.# Yes, there are over 2,000 of them ensuring that mosque baconers get arrested.
# Just kidding (I think), that’s the National Association of Moslem Police, who do look the other way, obfuscate, or even take part in mass white-British-child rapes.
Bettina says
Voegel, you’ve noticed that anti-deportation people are fatalistic? News to me…
voegelinian says
Yes I have; it’s counter-intuitive — you’d think they wouldn’t be, but I suspect there’s a hidden logical connection there: their autophobic fear of themselves (fear in their minds of their Inner White Racist Westerner gpomg down the slippery slope toward genocide of a Brown People) causes them semi-consciously (and irrationally) to recoil from the thought crime of even considering Deportation; and then, knowing gloomily what the problem of Islam portends for our future, yet having no alternative proposal by which to manage it, they succumb to fatalism.
voegelinian says
“gpomg ” = going (thanks Marc for setting up this faintly ghostly grey font in the Comment draft box…)
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“I suspect there’s a hidden logical connection there: their autophobic fear of themselves (fear in their minds of their Inner White Racist Westerner gpomg down the slippery slope toward genocide of a Brown People) causes them semi-consciously (and irrationally) to recoil from the thought crime of even considering Deportation; and then, knowing gloomily what the problem of Islam portends for our future, yet having no alternative proposal by which to manage it, they succumb to fatalism.”
And you “suspect” that even though several people you call “anti-deportation softies” (or similar, I’m paraphrasing here) told you otherwise? Even though you were unable to form a cogent argument for deportation under the current law system and constitution, several times? Even though you ran away from such a debate on several occasions only to cowardly attack and deride your opponents on unrelated topics?
It seems that by “suspect” you mean “misrepresent, as usual”.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Deportation is “out of the question” because it’s “too late”?”
That’s not what he wrote, was it?
“Or for some other reason?”
As if you’re interested in any other possible reason – you, like any good leftist-fascist, have created your narrative and you’re just trying to run with it.
“Funny how oftentimes it’s the anti-Deportation types who are also extremist about their gloom & doom.”
Could you provide any examples of your assertion or are you extrapolating from someone who never claimed to be “anti-Deportation”? See, what Radek Ehl wrote was “ i think deporting them all away is out of question too“. Nothing in there says he’s “anti-Deportation” – for all we know he could very well be in favour and meaning that it would be impossible to deport them for the simple reason that a large part of them holds British citizenship.
You do know that countries can’t deport their own citizens, right? Certainly, the all-mighty, all-knowing voegelinian wouldn’t miss such a small, but critical, detail, would he?
Laila says
SETTLE DOWN!
BECAUSE EUROPE & AMERICA HAVE REJECTED THE TEACHINGS OF PROPHET JESUS, THE DEMONS HAVE RETURNED, THAT WERE ONCE CAST OUT:
“THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW”
The Danger Of An Empty Home (12:43-45)
Matthew 12:43-45
43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
1. In the text for our study (Matthew 12:43-45), Jesus was describing the spiritual condition of the generation of His day:
a. One already described as “evil and adulterous” – cf. Matthew 12:38-39
b. One that would be condemned by the Ninevites and the Queen of Sheba in the day of judgment – cf. Matthew 12:41-42
c. One He now described as “this wicked generation” – Matthew 12:45
2. Using the example of demon possession, Jesus warned it is not enough to go through an initial period of repentance and removal of sin
a. Unless reformation continues and something positive is put in place…
b. The end might prove worse than the beginning!
3. Such had been the case with the Jews of Jesus’ day…
a. Many had repented at the preaching of John the Baptist – Matthew 3:5-6
b. Yet they eventually rejected Jesus and called for His crucifixion – Matthew 27:20-26
— For them “the last state” was truly “worse than the first” – Matthew 12:45
[There is an important lesson to be gleaned that applies to Christians as well. From what we learn here and elsewhere in the Scriptures, we need to be aware of…]
I. THE DANGER OF AN EMPTY HOME
A. OUR HEART IS LIKE A HOME…
1. In it can reside things that produce much harm – cf. Mtthew 15:19
2. But it can also be the source for much good – cf. Matthew 12:35a
B. WHEN YOU BECOME A CHRISTIAN, YOUR HOME IS CLEANSED…
1. For your heart is cleansed – cf. Hebrews 10:22; Acts 15:8-9
2. Your conscience is purged from dead works to serve God – Hebrews 14
C. YOU ARE EXPECTED TO “FILL” YOUR HOME…
1. Indeed, God gives us His Spirit to dwell in our hearts – Galatians 4:6
2. Through faith Christ Himself is to dwell in our hearts – cf. Ephesians 3:17
3. God’s peace and grace are to fill our hearts – Collssians 3:15-16
4. Even God’s law is to be written in our hearts – Hebrews 8:10
D. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO NOT “FILL” YOUR HOME…
1. Remember the maxim: “Nature abhors a vacuum”
a. If we do not make the effort to fill our home with good things
b. Then evil things are likely to return, and with a vengeance!
2. Consider the example of the Corinthians
a. They had been washed, sanctified, and justified – 1Corinthians 6:11
b. Yet later they were engaged in sinful conduct once again – 2Corinthians 12:20-21
3. Consider the example of the false teachers mentioned by Peter…
a. They had been bought by the Lord, and escaped the pollutions of the world through Jesus Christ – 2Peter 2:1,20
b. But they had become entangled again – 2Peter 2:20
c. For them, “the latter end is worse for them than the beginning” – 2Peter 2:20-22
E. HOW THINGS CAN BECOME WORSE THAN AT THE FIRST…
1. In the case of the false teachers, they had…
a. Forsaken the right way – 2Peter 2:15
b. Eyes full of adultery, hearts trained in covetousness – 2Peter 2:14
c. Become “cursed children”, “brute beasts” – 2Peter 2:14,13
d. Even denied the Lord who bought them – 2Peter 2:1
2. In our case…
a. Our hearts can become “hardened” – cf. Hebrews 3:12-13
(1) Before, the gospel had touched our hearts, moving us to
repentance
(2) But once hardened, our hearts might not be willing to listen – cf. Matthew 13:15
b. We can become so hardened through willful sin that we…
1) Trample the Son of God underfoot
2) Count the blood of the covenant a common thing
3) Insult the Spirit of grace – cf. Hebrews 10:26-29
c. We can even reach the point…
1) Where it become impossible to be renewed again to
repentance
2) Where we are crucifying again the Son of God and putting
Him to open shame – cf. Hebrews 6:4-6
— In such a case, how true the statement: “The last state of
that man is worse than the first”!
[How important it is, then, that we do not let the home of our heart
remain empty and thus invite worldly things to take up residence. To
avoid this, here are some thoughts on…]
II. FILLING THE HOME OF YOUR HEART
A. IN PRINCIPLE…
1. Sanctify the Lord God in your hearts – 1Peter 3:15
a. The word “sanctify” means to “set apart”
b. Set a special place in your heart for God as the Ruler of
your life
2. Be selective as to what goes into your mind
a. Set your mind on things above – Colossians 3:1-2
b. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly – Colossians 3:16
c. Follow the example of David – cf. Psalms 101:3-4
d. Think upon things that are good and wholesome – Philippians 4:8
— Remember, transformation of character begins with renewing the
mind – Romans 12:1-2
B. IN PRACTICE…
1. Utilize every opportunity to study God’s word – cf. 1Peter 2:1-2
a. Attend all services of the church
b. Participate in the Bible study programs that are offered
c. Read your Bible daily – Psalms 1:1-6
2. Fill your heart with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs…
a. For this is how you:
1) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly – Colossians 3:16
2) Allow yourself to be filled with the Spirit – Ephesians 5:18-19
b. Sing at church, at home, in the car; sing alone and with
others
3. Let your mind dwell on things that are worthy of praise and
virtue – cf. Philippians 4:8
a. Be selective about what you watch on television and in the
movies
b. Choose your books, periodicals, magazines, etc., carefully
4. Choose your friends carefully – cf. 1Corinthians 15:33
a. They will either help you to be strong or hinder your
efforts – Provers 13:20
b. We cannot have communion with darkness and expect the light
of God to dwell in us! – cf. 2Corinthians 6:14-7:1
CONCLUSION
1. What is the condition of your “home” (heart)?
a. Are you are filling your “home” things that are good?
b. If not, then your heart becomes an abode for every evil thing
…and the condition of your heart may become seven times worse than
before!
2. Have you experienced the initial cleansing of your “home” (heart)?
a. Have you been cleansed by the blood of Jesus, so that you are
washed, justified, and sanctified?
b. If so, wonderful; but don’t be deceived into thinking that you do
not need to be concerned about filling that dwelling with the
presence of God and all that is good!
…or it may one day be said of you: “the last state of that man is
worse than the first”
If you have never been cleansed by the blood of Christ, then may these
words spoken to Paul at his conversion move you to respond:
“And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash
away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” (Acts 22:16)
harley says
Take heart Radek, as an american I have to say that I have much more faith in eastern european’s ability to save their civilizations than their western counterparts. The Czeks and the poles wil not put up with that crap. for them, the memories of political oppression are all to fresh. The seem to have a vigor and no nonesense toughness that the west lacks. As the newest members of the free worls,you may be our only hope.
Babs Barron says
I’d take the number of signatories with sacks full of salt, given past showing of Muslim communities in falsifying data in terms of postal voting scandals in the UK.
ken says
The nerve on them Muslims after the shit there religion has caused.
10 downing street should take the petition signed by more than 100,000 British Muslims and wipe its ass with it.
Laila says
THIS IS THE REASON MOHAMMEDANS DON’T WANT FREE SPEECH – THEY DON’T WANT THE TRUTH TO COME OUT ABOUT THEIR CULT OF DEATH:
“Egyptian TV Host Ibrahim Issa: Nobody Dares to Admit That ISIS Crimes Are Based on Islamic Sources,” MEMRI, February 3, 2015 (thanks to Bill):
Following are excerpts from an interview with Egyptian journalist and TV host Ibrahim Issa, which aired on ON TV on February 3, 2015:
Ibrahim Issa: Whenever ISIS carries out an act of barbarity, such as decapitations, throat slitting, or the burning of a person alive, as they did today, various sheiks tell you – if they even bother to say anything – that this has nothing to do with Islam, that Islam is not to blame, and whatever. But when the people of ISIS perpetrate slaughter, murder, rape, immolation, and all those barbaric crimes, they say that they are relying on the sharia. They say that this is based on a certain hadith, on a certain Quranic chapter, on a certain saying of Ibn Taymiyyah, or on some historical event. To tell the truth, everything that ISIS says is correct.
This should not come as a surprise to anyone, as a surprise to anyone, and nobody should be shocked by what I am saying. All the evidence and references that ISIS provides to justify its crimes, its barbarity, and its horrifying, criminal, and despicable violence… All the evidence and references that ISIS provides, claiming that they can be found in the books of history, jurisprudence, and law, are, indeed, to be found there, and anyone who says otherwise is lying.
[…]
When they kill a person claiming that he is an infidel, when they rape women, when they kill prisoners, and when they slaughter and decapitate people, they say that the Prophet Muhammad said so. Indeed, the Prophet said so! What was the context? The interpretation? That’s a whole different story. None of those [Al-Azhar clerics] who purport to be moderate, and who were told by President Al-Sisi to change the religious discourse, have the courage – not a single grain of courage – to admit that these things are indeed to be found [in Islamic sources] and are [morally] wrong. If it is claimed that a certain companion of the Prophet did this or that, you should respond by saying that he was morally wrong. I would like to see a single Al-Azhar cleric in Egypt have the courage to admit that Abu Bakr burned a man alive. That’s right. He burned Fuja’ah [Al-Sulami]. This is a well-known historical story.
[…]
Was Abu Bakr morally wrong to burn that man alive? Nobody dares to say so. So we are left in this vicious circle, and you can expect more barbarity, because all this barbarity is sacred. It is sacred. This barbarity is wrapped in religion. It is immersed in religion. It is all based on religion. Your mission [as a cleric] is to say that while it is part of our religion, the interpretation is wrong. Do not tell people that Islam has nothing to do with this.
Hummer says
Deport to the Middle East-there is no freedom of speech there and obviously they do not want to assimilate in other countries like UK. They are there for one purpose-to take over. UK is not going to make it and soon will be if not already a failed country unless they change their ways.
Paul says
The article quotes ‘In Europe, you do not get to object to any kind of material, however distasteful to your beliefs, in that manner. We must reject categorically the false equivalence his risible comments assert.’
That’s a nice sentiment. Unfortunately, it is not true.
For example, the Dutch government (via the queen’s christmas speech, 2006 or 2007) is on record against free speech. “A right to offend does not exist. Nor is freedom of religion a license to injure…” And that is certainly not the only example of such a policy statement in Europe.
A more accurate statement is that in Europe only certain types of politically favored speech are protected.
Jeff says
These Muslims are parasitic. They are not a healthy addition to Britain or any society for that matter. The door is open you may leave now.
km says
Blah, Blah, Blah! It’s not your country – nuff said!!
Jogi says
Many Muslims desire to leave Islam, but are afraid of being killed by fellow Muslims. But there is a way in which they can renounce Islam without revealing it, that is to adapt the Sanatana way of life. Let us all help our Muslim brothers and sisters to freedom. http://sanatanaparishad.blogspot.in/