Omar El-Hussein was born in Denmark, but did he consider himself a Dane in any way other than geographically? Unlikely. He almost certainly grew up in a Muslim area and was taught Islamic values, including the distaste that the “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) should have for the jahiliyya, the society of the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) — unbelievers. He clearly rejected the freedom of speech and freedom of expression, and probably a great deal more of what most Danes would consider part of what it means to be a Dane.
Yet for Rufus Gifford, he was as Danish as Hamlet and Kierkegaard — reflecting a dogma of the Left, that sociocultural values are the same everywhere, and thus it is only geography that makes for nationality. Move a Russian to Poland, and presto, his children will be Polish. Gifford and his ilk (that is, virtually all of the Western intelligentsia) believe that if Omar El-Hussein’s parents move to Denmark, and Omar is born there, that Omar will grow up Danish, with Danish values — and that if he doesn’t, it is the fault of Danish authorities, who declined to allow him to assimilate because of their racism. The idea that Omar’s parents and other Muslims in Denmark might have had no interest in assimilating is not allowed to be discussed.
Meanwhile, if a group of Danes moved to Syria and established a small enclave, a Little Denmark within Syria, and had children born in Syria, would their children be considered Syrians, open and shut, without question? Would MSNBC and Rufus Giffords refer to them as Syrians, as in “a Syrian man, Tobias Nielsen”?
“Scarborough: Like Radical Islam, ‘Ultrafundamentalist’ Christianity Could Also Lead to Violence,” by Mark Finkelstein, Newsbusters, February 16, 2015:
…The US ambassador to Denmark was also interviewed. Rufus Gifford was the Finance Director of President Obama’s 2012 campaign. Following the lead of the president who appointed him, Gifford, when asked by Mark Halperin who the enemy is, couldn’t bring himself to mention Islam in any form. Instead, he spoke only of the threat of “radicalization” and “extremism.” For good measure, the oh-so-diplomatic Gifford referred to the man who murdered two people in Copenhagen yesterday and injured others as the “gentleman.”
In addition to being an Obama fundraiser, Gifford’s ambassadorial credentials consist of having worked for Davis Entertainment, an independent film production company whose oeuvre includes such immortal works as Little Monsters and Aliens vs. Predator. Come to think of it, perhaps that was some relevant experience….
MARK HALPERIN: Mr. Ambassador, who’s the enemy that the United States and Denmark is now fighting? How would you define them?
RUFUS GIFFORD: Look, I mean, for me, this is — I’m from Boston, guys. I mean, we saw this similar situation come up in Boston. This is the gentleman — and we’re learning more and more from — on a day-to-day basis but this someone who is a Dane, born and bread [sic] in Denmark, similar to what I think, what we saw in Boston. Of course, you don’t want to make comparisons right now but the enemy, it’s not to oversimplify it. The the enemy is radicalization. The enemy is extremism. And we do have to fight that through a variety of different sources and forces.
Angemon says
Bollocks. “Radicalization” and “extremism” are quantifiers, not qualifiers.
john spielman says
the enemy is islam, whether or not the person is native born or not. Despite what the talking heads of western govt say one cannot separate radical islam from islam anymore than you can separate soiled toilet paper from that which soiled it
Loretta Pienaar says
I agree 100% with you, John Spielman.
voegelinian says
According to Angemon and other Counter-Jihad Softies like him (who otherwise sling robust anti-Islam rhetoric around), there is nothing the West can do preventatively about any Muslims like Omar El-Hussein who are born and bred in our societies; for such Muslims, in the minds of asymptotics like Angemon (deriving their thoughts & feelings from the wider PC MC paradigm which is worse only by degree, not in kind), have become magically immune from any reasonable measures our societies might take to protect our societies practively (by, for example, deporting Muslims before they mass-murder thousands (if not hundreds of thousands, or millions) of us, rather than waiting patiently until after they succeed.
voegelinian says
“practively” should be, of course, proactively.
(I suppose many asymptotics would recommend certain limp-wristed proactive measures our societies can take — all dependent, however, upon the Muslim in question being stupid enough to advertise his “extremism” sufficiently obviously so that our infirm radar can pick it up in time to prevent whatever horrific terror plots they may be hatching.)
particolor says
A Pig is a Pig by any other name !!
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“According to Angemon and other Counter-Jihad Softies like him (who otherwise sling robust anti-Islam rhetoric around), there is nothing the West can do preventatively about any Muslims like Omar El-Hussein who are born and bred in our societies; for such Muslims, in the minds of asymptotics like Angemon (deriving their thoughts & feelings from the wider PC MC paradigm which is worse only by degree, not in kind), have become magically immune from any reasonable measures our societies might take to protect our societies practively (by, for example, deporting Muslims before they mass-murder thousands (if not hundreds of thousands, or millions) of us, rather than waiting patiently until after they succeed.”
As usual, when voeg starts with “according to”, he doesn’t actually provide any evidence that the person in question (in this particular instance, me) said what he claims they said. That means he either misreads what other people write, or he’s a liar, or both. He routinely goes out of his way to attack JW regular counter-jihadis like myself, Philip Jihadski, Champ, Jay Boo,or gravenimage, to name a few. One of his favorite tactics (shared by fascists and muslims and islamic apologists alike) is the misrepresentation of, or outright lies about, the stance of other people in order to shame them into silence.
I’ve called him out on such blatant lies in the past, and don’t remember him ever retracting what he said, admitting that his claims were completely false or backing them with evidence. There’s a good reason for that: last time he gave a link to try to prove one of his claims, it turned out that it was the exact opposite of what he said (he claimed that gravenimage never took his side against Philip Jihadski and “proved so” by inking to a comment from gravenimage where she was asking PJ – and I’m paraphrasing here – to cut voeg a break).
In fact, if voeg were a honest person, he couldn’t be replying to my comments:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/saudi-king-abdullah-is-dead/comment-page-1#comment-1185295
“voegelinian says
January 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm
I hope Angemon isn’t under the impression that I bother to read his posts anymore…”
Bottom line: when voegelinian states that someone’s position is such and such and he doesn’t back his claim with evidence, believe him at your own peril.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“According to Angemon and other Counter-Jihad Softies like him (who otherwise sling robust anti-Islam rhetoric around), there is nothing the West can do preventatively about any Muslims like Omar El-Hussein who are born and bred in our societies;
This is a blatant lie – several times I’ve stated what I believe to be the appropriate courses of action regarding muslims in Western countries. Like I said before, voeg can’t quote me saying that there’s nothing the West can do because I never said such a thing.
“for such Muslims, in the minds of asymptotics”
Before anyone asks: voegelinian claims to have coined that term.
“like Angemon (deriving their thoughts & feelings from the wider PC MC paradigm”
voeg has no idea from where I derive my thought and feelings. He doesn’t know who I know, or whom I talk to, or who I read, or any of my experiences IRL, just to name a few. But if I were to derive my feeling from the “wider PC MC paradigm”, like he claims, I wouldn’t be here shooting down islamic apologists (as opposed to voeg, who spends most of his time here criticizing, deriding and attacking not muslims and islamic apologists but counter-jihadis). So he gets the source of my thoughts and feelings wrong, and therefore anything he drives from that is, at least, equally wrong.
“which is worse only by degree, not in kind), have become magically immune from any reasonable measures our societies might take to protect our societies practively”
Once again, voeg provides no evidence to back his claim because I never said such a thing.
“(by, for example, deporting Muslims before they mass-murder thousands (if not hundreds of thousands, or millions) of us, rather than waiting patiently until after they succeed.”
voeg is rehashing his old material and hoping it sticks. I’ve asked him before to where would he deport, for example, an native american convert to islam who can trace his lineage back to the Pre-Columbian era. He never answered that question, which is about the application of the “deportation meme” he claims to be trying to push. He’s a couch coach – he has all the answers and solutions as long as he doesn’t have to actually do something. Like, for example, answer to questions regarding practical issues he’d be faced with when applying his ideas.
Rita says
The enemy is this dangerously dishonnest ambassador and his boss.
M S case says
brought up in Denmark but not as a Dans and a muslim…What could he do……..He was taught this crap from infancy as all muslim children are………Then………………..BOOM What can you expect when he was taught the Koran and probably received teachings in jihad in the mosques………
David says
If a farmer has a barn full of horses & then brings in a few donkeys, the farmer can pretend all he wants he now has a barn full of horses, but the donkeys will always be donkeys, despite all the political correctness & a piece of paper saying the donkeys are now horses. Muslims living in western countries will always be different to the native population, unless the Muslims renounce Islam completely, which doesn’t happen much due to fear of apostasy.
Jaladhi says
What a nice simple analogy that even liberals can understand – sigh, they are so dumb and deceitful that they will not “understand”or will refuse to understand!!
particolor says
OH !! Your Liberals understand all right ! But their Underwear is now full of something ! They realize they have made a Big Big mistake allowing the Beast into our Countries but now they have Nowhere to hide ?? Best to appease the Beast and maybe live a little longer ? 🙁
FredvanH says
Right. First, let’s feed them (the liberals) to it. Then deport the beast from the west. Good riddance to all that.
Jaladhi says
Yeah – right and that is why it is nit Islamic jihad!! You moron , he is Muslim and Muslim doesn’t have to be born in Arabia only to carry out jihad. It doesn’t matter where a Muslim is born, he is a Muslim first and anything else later – so much for he was a Dane. These liberals and our administration will lie through their teeth to deflect attention from Muslims and Islam – the real cause of worldwide terror, massacre, genocide – everything that is dear to a Muslim’s heart.
particolor says
I was born in Australia ! But that doesn’t make Me an Aboriginal !! 🙂
cs says
Oh dear, denial and denial, and denial, and denial, and on and on, more denial, more denial.
KrazyKafir says
How strange that all other ethnicities seem to be able to assimilate into their host countries, still keeping their identities largely intact,even, and only Muslims fail in this endeavor, utterly, and in every country they’ve migrated (or better said: invaded) to, throughout history.
jayell says
Well, I suppose if you’re totally convinced that you’re completely superior to the rest of humanity and in any case you’re going to take the whole shooting-match over, why bother fraternising with the third-rate plebs?
KrazyKafir says
Don’t get me wrong, jayell, I know why the Death Cult doesn’t assimilate, I’m just pointing out how such an obvious condition gets overlooked by the dhimmis.
Marco says
My local newspaper reported that as many as “110 young Danes” have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq. You know tall blue eyed blonde youths! Just criminal to mislead the public in this way!
Steffen Larsen says
Alas, I believe one or two of them were blue eyed blonde youths who converted and immediately felt an overwhelming need to change style of dress, and off they went.
Michael Copeland says
What color were his socks?
(thanks Pamela Geller)
quotha raven says
Pink, Darling; they were pink.
Been There Got the Tee Shirt says
This guy Rufus Gifford is our ambassador? He certainly is articulate and well-spoken. He must have a college degree.
I looked him up in Wikipedia and see that he’s gay, and therefore a real target for the Islamonazi…err…extremists that he is trying so hard to discuss so dispassionately. God forbid, if the Islamonazi who was responsible for these recent attacks had attacked Mr Gifford, I guess he would describe his attacker as a young Dane. To my way of thinking, that would be grossly racist.
We know what the left is up to. And we know you can fool some of the people some of the time. It’s just a matter of time before this charade collapses.
Jay Boo says
Peace be upon Muhammad.
Seriously, I mean it this time.
I just took a moment to reflect on what it must have been like to be in Muhammad’s shoes that very moment just as he was taking his last pitiful breaths and as the poison of his miserable life began eating its was through his aorta. After living a life focused on the carnal lust experience of raping at least 72 virgins on earth and accumulating wealth from a life of stealing other property, he had to look into the eyes of his screaming ‘companions’ who were all lusting to replace him. But far worse than that he had to look at the disgrace and emptiness of his vile life and Islam and realize that his pretense at earning his way to paradise was to be of no use. Yes, even though Muhammad was surrounded by thousands, he was completely alone in his last moments. He knew for certain that he would see no Paradise.
Muhammad died completely alone staring into the miserable emptiness of his shameful life.
Pity him.
So sad, so very sad.
Steffen Larsen says
Sometimes I get the impression that the function of the US ambassador to Denmark is to go from one Muslim are to the next, supervising whether the inhabitants are given decent treatment.
cs says
Have you received enough Welfare? Have you harassed someone today? No? Oh you should.
Don’t forget, it is all our fault.
Nicu says
Bla bla — nobody in Europe ever says MUslim 🙁 though everybody knows it’s always them . Muslim is Muslim – and a passport doesn’t make you an European .
A cow born in a pigs stable is still a cow !
jayell says
Sorry, mate, but I think you’ll find that stables are for horses and a pig is normally born in a Sty. I only say that because we’ve got one of those ‘muslim-only’ type areas near here, and it looks like a pigsty.
JeffS says
You CAN say Muslim if it’s the victim or perceived victim, you can NEVER say Muslim if it’s the perpetrator.
Chrissie07 says
That’s right, being born in Europe does not make you a European.
I am so tired of our countries being ruined by foreigners feeling entitled to everything our ancestors have created over millenia.
I am so tired of unproductive, fanatic Muslims spreading themselves over a culture that is suffocated by their very mental essence.
Poor Europe!
Atikva says
Whatever you feed them in Denmark, Your Excellency, the result is obviously catastrophic. You’d better change your jihadis-producing “diet” if you want to avoid more bloodbaths in your country. And unless you come to your senses and send them back to their beloved ummah, you’d better keep these products of your delusions on your own soil, we don’t need more of them on ours.
ecosse1314 says
Can’t keep repeating this but……….. ” being born in a stable does not make you a horse”
GeoffM says
Not a Dane! How dare they defile a great race of people by calling an Arab a Dane.
It just goes to show how twisted the self styled “Elite” is.
gravenimage says
This has *nothing* to do with race. If an Arab—an Arab Christian, say, or a Muslim apostate—moved to Denmark and embraced civilized Danish values, I would consider him a Dane.
Not these vicious, barbaric Muslims, though, who oppose everything Denmark stands for.
Chrissie07 says
Born and bread? Where are we?
In a human breeding station?
What is the intented conclusion? That just any Danish citizen is capable of doing what this thug did?
Really?
It is simply not true.
These crimes are – with one exception in Oslo – NEVER carried out by Europeans.
It feels a bit awkward to say, but:
The fellow was a pure-bread Arab Muslim raised in a Muslim environment.
By Allah, we have arrived at quite some artistic highlights of newspeak.
jack says
where every Muslims go, the vast majority are Muslim first.Their identity is that of a Muslim, which they see as a superior culture to their host country.
Poll after poll supports this, when asked are you a Dane? they say quite openly, I AM A MUSLIM.
These people do not seek to integrate but to dominate.
Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say ‘Muslim’ rather than ‘Briton’)
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf
Rita says
Is this ambassador for real? Can someone please tell him what a dangerous idiot he is and show him the 2nd video in this blog post:
http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/danish-muslims-celebrate-their-hero.html
FredvanH says
PLEASE do not EQUATE intelligence with retards of this stripe, thank you very much. And by the way, if I’m not mistaking, the Boston bombers were Chechen (or however that’s spelled) filth, imported into the US by the ideological brethren of this collaborating scum, Rufus Gifford.