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What next? Will the UK ban Jews?

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ShariaUKWhat next? Will the UK ban Jews?
by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer

A British Court of Appeal handed down its judgment dismissing our appeal challenging our ban from entering the United Kingdom. The key element of its decision is its emphasis on the fact that “this was a public order case where the police had advised that significant public disorder and serious violence might ensue from the proposed visit.” In writing that judgment, Lord Justice Tomlinson (with whom Lord Justice Patten and Lord Justice Floyd agree) has only made it clear that the British government has decided to set aside established law and the freedom of speech in order to appease violent Muslims.

Will the British government now ban Jews from the country so as to “prevent public disorder,” since the presence of Jews has been shown all too often to upset some Muslims and cause them to riot? The judgment permits such a Nazi approach.

In upholding our exclusion from the U.K., the judges relied heavily on a November 2014 British Supreme Court ruling that Maryam Rajavi, an Iranian dissident, could be lawfully excluded from entering Britain because her doing so could damage Britain’s relationship with Iran.

Their reasoning is deeply flawed. Our ban was put in place in June 2013, so a November 2014 ruling should have no bearing on it. This is tantamount to changing the rules after the game has started. What’s more, one of the judges in the Supreme Court decision applied by the British Court of Appeal wrote stating that the Supreme Court case was “not a judicial review of the lawfulness of the decision of the Secretary of State that the admission of Mrs Rajavi to this country would not be conducive to the public good.” Rajavi was excluded because her admission would supposedly hurt Britain’s relationship with Iran, but there were no foreign policy issues in our case where the exclusion is alleged not to be in the public good.

Even more ominously, this dismissal of our appeal sets the precedent that those whose speech is unpopular with the British government can be banned from the country. It strikes what could be a fatal blow to the very heart of the doctrine of the freedom of speech: that speech that is unpopular, and may even be offensive to some must be protected, as a safeguard against tyranny. Offensive speech is permissible even in British law, which the British Court of Appeal ignored in order to appease the government.

The dismissal of our appeal also asserts that the “the court is entitled, and perhaps bound, to attach special weight to the assessment of the Home Secretary of the question whether a restriction on freedom of expression is necessary in order to prevent public disorder.” This view is based on the Supreme Court case which has no application to our case since there are no foreign policy issues involved giving rise to the special weight referred to in that case. Judicial review is another pillar of stable republican government. If courts cannot review and, where necessary, overturn decisions of the executive, the executive can work its will without any accountability at all. Lord Judges Tomlinson, Patten and Floyd have now abdicated that right and responsibility.

The heavy use of a ruling that came down after our ban, the canonization of the heckler’s veto, and the blithe disregard for the freedom of speech and the responsibility of judicial review all bode most ill for Britain’s future, far beyond our case. And it makes it clear: our appeal never had a chance of being considered fairly on its merits. Rather than rule on our case on the basis of established British laws in a fair manner, Judges Tomlinson, Patten and Floyd moved the goalposts and disregarded core British principles in order to uphold our exclusion.

Our case has turned out to be a milestone in a way we never expected: it marks the British government’s confirmation of its descent into authoritarianism and its suicidal path of appeasement of Islamic jihadists and supremacists. If there any future historians in Britain with a free mind and access to the records of our foolishly prodigal age, they will note our case as a significant point at which Britain rejected freedom, and instead chose submission to the mob that would, ultimately, make the very idea of a free Britain a dim memory.

We are determined to fight on. And we will prevail. Of course the deck is stacked. Of course the fix is in. Of course the playing field is shifting and unstable. We know that. But these authorities will answer for their cowardice: they will answer to the world about why they would ban those of us who stood for truth and freedom in the face of tyranny and Islamic supremcism.

They will answer to the world.

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    • Boycott Britain indeed?

      Just what kind of a cretin are you? At times like this civilised peoples should stick together and sent a message of defiance to our cowardly political classes.

      But no, idiots like you want to turn your back on your own kind.

      It’s embarassing enough being a British citizen watching dhimmi politicians, and now judiciary, making such decisions in our name.

      • But you and I have to deal with the truth. Our fellow countrymen will, as always, return a Labour or Conservative government come this May’s general election. They will not, I fear, vote en masse for UKIP or Liberty GB to the exclusion of all the other dhimmi parties. So while it is true to say that you and I did not vote these traitorous dim-witted spineless cretins into power, WE (the British Public, my follow countrymen) did. I do not know the solution to that.

        So while Robert’s words hurt and fill me with despair, shame and sadness, he is but the messenger. Of course boycotting the UK (Peter’s idea, not Robert’s) is not the solution. But WE are responsible, and sadly it seems to me that, either we will not wake-up or will wake-up way too late.

        • I am ashamed to be British at the moment. But as I have repeatedly said, freedom of speech in Britain died the day Blair became PM. It was already sick.

    • Boycott? How retarded…

      That would play right into the hands of Muslims.

      Has it not occrured to you that the same kind of intolerance is taking place in America?

      How on earth can we defeat Islam if we , the people – not politicians, turn upon each other?

        • Sadly, when the muslims take-over the UK, they’ll institute a forced and complete boycott of their own – no spirits or beer available. I’m going to miss Newcastle…

      • The current spate of “Hate-Crime” Laws are all
        devices that protect Islam first.

        • JamesonRocks….you say, “sadly when the Muslims take over……” This legal decision indicates that they have already taken over.

    • I’m with Kenny and Geoff on this, and anyone else who objects
      to this proposal. Say what you like about our crappy government
      and our (mainly) shameful and dishonest media, I couldn’t care less –
      so many rightly despise them already – but don’t conflate them with the
      British people, who are good in the main and deserve much better.

      The vast majority of people here would have been very happy and grateful
      to have had two people coming here to pay their respects to somebody who
      was needlessly and brutally butchered by scum of the earth, one of whom was
      idiotic enough to fall for Anjem Choudary’s hateful nonsense. Most supposedly
      right-wing newspapers switched their comments off after Lee Rigby was
      murdered and after we were fed the usual lies by our useless politicians. That
      shows the massive gulf between THEM and US, and they know it.

      The Islamic supremacists divide and conquer, whilst the scum in charge of
      this country are very happy to let this happen, that much is clear.
      We must all stick together if we are sincere about this.

      • But you and I have to deal with the truth. Our fellow countrymen will, as always, return a Labour or Conservative government come this May’s general election. They will not, I fear, vote en masse for UKIP or Liberty GB to the exclusion of all the other dhimmi parties. So while it is true to say that you and I did not vote these traitorous dim-witted spineless cretins into power, WE (the British Public, my follow countrymen) did. I do not know the solution to that.

        So while Robert’s words hurt and fill me with despair, shame and sadness, he is but the messenger. Of course boycotting the UK (Peter’s idea, not Robert’s) is not the solution. But WE are responsible, and sadly it seems to me that, either we will not wake-up or will wake-up way too late.

        • I think a sufficient number will wake up on time, a great many
          already have. I think it will be sorted out, but it’s going to be very
          messy and very bloody, that’s for sure. Pity. It’ll be another case
          of “you chose dishonour and you will have war”.

    • Their disregard for their own laws have made them a place I would never go to as a tourist. A country that does not uphold its own laws but instead panders to mafia-like intimidation is not a place tourists should want to visit.

  2. The authorities in the UK will be sentenced for treason, at certain moment in the future, for letting Muslims who were no loyal to the country, and trying to implement sharia in the UK, and raping young British girls.

    • Britannia’s rules are waived. Islamists have her enslaved. Thatcher would have raged. Churchill would have braved. She bows – Allah’s knave.

      • Referring to your previous comment…I think a sufficient number will wake up on time, a great many already have. I think it will be sorted out, but it’s going to be very messy and very bloody, that’s for sure. Pity. It’ll be another case of “you chose dishonour and you will have war”.

        Really? Where’s the evidence? thousands upon thousands of young girls lives ruined…where were the protests? riots? Thousands of immigrants on welfare plotting the destruction of Britain …supported by hard working people Brits…where is the outrage?

        Really what more can those evil disgusting muslim creatures do to provoke the Brits?

        Sad when you consider how overwhelmingly influential and successful Britain was in it’s day. And still the whole world either does speak English or wants to learn it. But what a sad pathetic bunch of cowards they are now.

        • There are huge demonstrations by the English Defence League
          about these things, like the one last September outside Downing
          Street. The press either doesn’t report it or severely plays down
          the number of participants, because they don’t want to give them
          publicity.

          Once, the reaction would have been much stronger, admittedly,
          but for years of Leftist brainwashing that has paralysed people with
          fear of saying or doing anything ideologically wrong. At least many
          here now know that the same people behind getting Robert Spencer
          and Pamela Geller banned from the UK are the same people who
          were effectively complicit in the rape of these children, and who are
          strangely silent when it comes to atrocities by ISIS etc. It’s just as
          crucial that their credibility is broken, and it is definitely happening.

          Britain will be dragged kicking and screaming to confront this problem,
          whether it wants to or not. Sadly, this is also true of the Western
          world in general.

        • “what a sad pathetic bunch of cowards they are now.”

          Were you slavering when you wrote that?

  3. The UK WASP elite are the world’s most treacherous duplicitous cowardly rodents in the world.

    • Please try not to be so fucking stupid. They are no worse than many others, possibly even wherever you are.

  4. This decision indicates how the British government (Cameron-May-Clegg) is driven by appeasement of Islamic interests, especially as the General Election nears.

    While that Government hypocritically celebrates the development of liberty over 800 years since the Magna Carta, the reality is that the present U.K Government denies the liberty of anti-Islamic jihadists, Americans, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

    • I see what you did with your name!

      All across the West politicians spoke out in support of Freedom of Speech following the Paris massacre but upon returning home they shut it down.

      We have noticed however…

  5. Robert, you’re right about almost everything but this bit isn’t right:

    >> Their reasoning is deeply flawed. Our ban was put in place in June 2013, so a November 2014 ruling should have no bearing on it. This is tantamount to changing the rules after the game has started.

    No. The relief sought by you is presumably the lift of the ban, and any case law developments in the meantime are relevant, as indeed statutory ones would be. Perhaps you are confusing the courts behavior here with retroactive criminalization?

      • Well I’m confident that either the barrister is making a mistake (lawyers make mistakes all the time, just like doctors) or you, Robert, are making a mistake in representing what he said.

        Indeed, let’s face it, if we’re to play appealing to authority–the British Court of Appeal is on my side here Robert. That’s a higher legal authority than Robert Spencer’s representation of what his UK barrister said. 🙂

        I’m referring only to the exceptions taken to ‘changing the goalposts’. The other criticisms of the decision could well be solid.

        • judges also make mistakes

          which is why appeals succeed sometimes.

          and some judges disagree with other judges in the same case.(majority decisions)

  7. As someone who holds dual English – Australian citizenship (which I only discovered recently) these articles make me worry for the future of my home country. I wasn’t around to see it, but I still remember vicariously a strong nation that refused to bow before Hitler and his fascist advance. Now it seems not only is England decaying rapidly in the face of a new enemy, it refuses to even admit it is at war.

    I hope that the future is not so bleak, and my heart goes out to my fellow countrymen (distant though they may be) who suffer at the hands of their ruling elite. It is not fair to blame all English people for the slow march of decay – and now it is more crucial than ever to show that they are not alone.

    The fight will never end, and we will never, ever, bow down before the enemy.

    • You mean like Chamberlain didn’t bowl down to Hitler allowing him to survive a political situation that otherwise would have surely meant his end? Or do you mean like how England didn’t bow down to Hitler on the Sudeten, which allowed him the time to build up his forces and enabled him to avoid the most difficult obstacle facing his eastward expansion?

      • All of the above. Corrupt politicians all have one thing in common. They think only of themselves and their personal fortunes.

      • Condemning the many for the actions of the few. Churchill, the greatest Brit of all time – would not allow this to continue. And he stopped it in the past. There have always been weak leaders, but I believe the English as a people have a proud history and can weather the coming storm.

    • I agree with Peter. Boycott the UK. It will force them out of their slumber. Discomfort is the only thing that will get the Brits or other westerners to take action. Unfortunately the days of defending “Queen and Country” and belief in a “higher purpose” are gone. Take away their creature comforts and you’ll have rioting in the streets.

  8. Only totalitarian regimes are so concerned with public order. Go ahead, Britain, embrace your order, and lose every shred of English tradition you have.

    • Just for clarification to the above 2 posts. England is not Britain and Britain is not England. Hope that helps.

      • Just for clarification, ecosse. Britain does indeed have, or at least it did, English tradition. In that respect eib was perfectly correct. Hope that helps.

  9. Here in the UK the Government are terrified of the problems they are about to face with many Islamists.

    They simply appease to try and avoid its happening sooner rather than later.

    IMO the UK is about 2 years behind France with Islamic immigration.

    • Canada has a prime minister with integrity and guts. He calls it what it is “islamic terrorism; we are at war with muslim extremists; if they attack us we will kill them” all quotes from Stephen Harper who is a Christian by the way.

  11. The threatened violence would not only be from Muslims but from their Leftist allies, such as the wholly misnamed Unite Against Fascism. The British Government has indeed capitulated to the heckler’s veto as Robert says. I’m not so sure, when push comes to shove, that the British people will cave quite so easily.

    • Every day they continue to have this government, they have caved. When is the next election, again?

      • May this year. The only hope seems to lie with UKIP whose leader has described the Muslim presence in Europe as a ‘fifth column’. We can but wait and see although I agree that there won’t be too many election cycles now before the problem becomes insurmountable and the Islamist takeover a fait accompli.

        • The forthcoming Labour / Scottish Nats coalition will ensure that the problem does become insurmountable. The tyranny of political correctness will not lessen under a quasi-Marxist government. It will surely be lights out. How much longer will this site be available in the New Britain? When will it become a hate-crime to be caught in possession of a Robert Spencer book or five. How do I delete them off my Kindle when the Thought Police turn up one early morn at my doorstep?

  12. “…significant public disorder and serious violence might ensue…”

    This describes moslem immigration and the indoctrination of the native population to the violent creed of Islam EXACTLY! If this is a serious enough reason for this decision, then why is the UK’s powers that be not banning all moslem colonization and mosque-building! How many more must die? How many more people must be attacked on the streets? How many bombs must go off? How many more young women must be raped (Rotherdam — isn’t that one of the black spots?)?

    And here they are, banning people who only represent freedom of speech and honest discussion of issues of liberty — because moslems and violent leftist nutcases aren’t going to approve and might upset and start vandalizing things. What a bleak, hopeless day for the UK.

  13. We are preaching mostly to the converted. We need to get the People involved like never before. It has always been difficult to wake people up.

    The Constitution provided Referendums as a way of having people involved. Such issues will raise the profile of these reports to a higher level. We should try as hard as we can to initiate referendums that will cause debate. It is the debate that we need more than the success of the referendum.

    Ban Sharia!

  15. It is now up to every capable British person to become as learned on Islam and current events, and as effective a speaker as Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller. All may not all be capable of public writing and speaking, but all can speak to friends, family and contacts. All can comment on news stories (where unmoderated) and post links to the truth about jihad on solial media and elsewhere.

  16. Hmmm, we Bbritish and certainly the English put up with quite a lot. Corrupt politicians dysfunctional councils, a police force hamstrung by political correctness its not quite at tipping point YET!

    We (as a nation) cannot deport a Somali rapist because of his human rights but we can bar Geller and Spencer. Sounds crazy.

    The hoi polloi will not be quiet for ever. The catalyst will be Rotherham. At some point the media will have to highlight the facts and links of islam and rape etc. The response will be interesting. Takes us a while but when we say enough! We mean it.

    God save the Queen.

    • Hey Andy, A while back,2 years or so, I exchanged posts
      with a Brit who made a good argument that it will be the “Working Class”
      who will lead the revolt against Islamo-Fascism and Socialist Totalitarianism.

      • He was right. There’s a Burberry army just itching for it, their barracks are council estates.

  17. It was so revealing when King Abdullah died. Not only Cameron but Prince Charles rushed over to eulogise him as a friend of freedom or something like that while the flag over Westminster Abbey flew at half mast. When they came back Cameron continued to call barbaric the people on the other side of the SA border who share exactly the same beliefs except that they don’t support the idea of a monarchy.

    We must be deeper in hock to SA and the other gulf states than we thought.

    I’m sorry that Robert Spencer’s case was turned down. We know that the law is susceptible to political pressure. The most charitable view would be that our masters are terrified of Muslims and their leftist chums cutting up rough, regardless of the rights and wrongs involved.

  18. … it would be interesting to understand if calls for “Sharia to rule UK” could also be considered as potential targets for measures to “restrict freedom of expression in order to prevent public disorder”, when and if sufficent Britons may fianlly start to vigorously protest against such claims …

  19. Robert, this should be news in major US newspapers and in England as this is a landmark ruling. Has anyone taken it up?

  20. As a British citizen I am ashamed of my government
    And Theresa May has been making a reputation for herself as a no-nonsense politician, with an eye for the leadership succession.

    This decision showed her to be in the hands of her civil servants, who must have advised her to ban RS and PG. (The leaked documents that RS revealed show that the civil servants were worried about the consequences of banning them.)

    May can appear tough when it suits her, but she is as afraid of being accused of causing offence to Muslims as the rest of the government.

  21. The UK is going to hell in a hand basket. Appeasing Islam when we should be fighting it. Lessening voices of dissent when they should be applauded. Where is our Churchill when we need him to fight the forces of a new fascism?

    Please sign and share this petition to make our leaders here in the UK and the US listen to us – Islam harms Humanity and breaches Human Rights.

    https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-examine-whether-islam-is-antithetical-to-human-rights?after_sign_exp=member_sponsored_donation

    • It just does not make sense to me. I understand that the fault lies with the ruling elite (for the most part) but they have families too….don’t they care about their children’s future? Surely they can logically see the outcome of all their pandering to these disgusting muslims. They are enabling them to take control of British society and turn it from civilized to barbaric. What do they think will happen in the future? They know how brutal these people are. Giving them power is suicidal.

  22. Don´t panic it´s the beginning,the XXI,will be 100 years of a long long war,we the europeans have experience,and the muslins shall be defeated,as in the past,the thing is to vote perties which are
    pround to be what they must be in Britain for instants they have the armed forces,the Army,the Navy
    and The Raf,they are waiting orders from a brave and honest goverment,when the parlament and
    the members are not going to do what the voters asking for,the last way is the sword will do,what the
    voters ask for

  23. The key element of its decision is its emphasis on the fact that “this was a public order case where the police had advised that significant public disorder and serious violence might ensue from the proposed visit.”

    Translation: “It’s easier to appease terrorists than standing against them”.

  24. Really upsetting to read about this, Robert. You and Pamela are to be commended for fighting the good fight, on behalf of free people everywhere.

  25. I am French. About 10 years ago, I wrote on a blog like this

    “You let them in, they will kick you out”

    and was copiously insulted.

    Your UKIP leader is very dangerous. He rejected as “racist” our Front National. Dont trust him. At a minimum he his stupid and will betray you.

    After the January crimes in France, our governement has capitulated. Your media may have certaintly distorted the truth. The numerous people manifesting in Paris were not protesting aganist the criminals : they were begging the governement for protection. In fact this was the equivalent of Munich and Chamberlain/

    Francc and UK are lost without remedy. Other countries too. We must go over it.

  26. The English longbow is a powerful and effective tool…Sunday mornings, practising the ancient art could be time well spent.

  27. Never mind. I’m not banned, but I myself will never set foot in that country of degenerates again.

  28. ” I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it”
    Voltaire

  29. Shameless dhimmies : Cameron,May,Blair,Merkeland the cowardly West leaders. Here out is your life,shameless life you all living when stinking ungodly barbaric arabs buy you all out to be ruled by the shorty monkey jackets stenching Muslims and you render vain all the past labour of your great men of valour and honour,their shed blood,all in the name of oil dollars and you are undermining your countries for desert dry land dwellers,all of you wouldn’t have a breeding space then to spend the bribed oil dollars in your possession. Just continue your support to the useless lieing tongue Arabs.
    Will you all be happy when your six yrs old daughters are forcefully married and sexed ?? Or are you too interested in marrying 6 or 9 yrs old lasses and enjoy polygamous life and start killing your children honourably because of a deadly cult?? Or do you think you will even have a damn chance to spend your bribed oil dollars when your countries are now under the caliphate ??? Far,far,far are you to that,stupid dhimmy West leaders and you f**king Muslim Osama at america white house.BIG SHAAAAAAME on you all dhimmy West leaders and oboma.

    • ” What nest ban the Jews from the UK’ If anything needs to be banned from the UK or anywhere else in God’s world it’s the Koran and islam itself. IT’S A CULT not a religion. Pass laws, enforce them and ban the Koran and islam itself

    • The Western dhimmi leaders will be the first the Muslims kill, they want their money back!!

  30. I am UK citizen, for the record, neither Jewish nor Muslim, in fact an atheist. I regard Mr Spencer of JH as one of the most remarkable nd well informed commentators in the West, having developed a thorough grasp of all aspects of his field of interest. Very few of the politicians here who are supposed to make decisions about how to handle Islam in the UK situation have even a fraction of Mr Spencer’s command of the subject, not to mention honesty and sincerity.
    The only people who might compete with but not surpass his knowledge of Islam are the very people who would do us harm and who if anybody the UK government should be excluding from the UK. Instead, they get in, to our great harm and Mr Spencer is kept out, to our great loss. I believe he crisis that force itself on us here wlll also force theUK government to change its mind.

  31. Yes, just the act of you having speech or ideas, does make that country insecure, and possibly threatens the existance of the monarchy.
    Although it seems that the relationship between the US and UK is buddy-buddy, our very existance fundemantally threatens their way of life.
    We were born free. They were born “owned”.Most of us don’t realize what that means. Never forget that we had two wars with them, to declare and reassert our right to be.
    So maybe the more you push, the more they reject, the more it clarifies who we are. This is waht’s suppose to happen.

  32. This means that in Britain, the level of physical intimidation that can be mustered by those who oppose critics of Islam exceeds the protective powers of the state.

    The British government needs to strengthen and clarify its policing and protective powers so that British citizens are not prevented from debating and discussing the issues that interest them and affect their lives.

    In the case of Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, their subject is the defence of FREEDOM.

    Their criticism and questioning of Islam is specifically related to how it impacts on FREEDOM.

    If Islamic ideology and some of its followers did not impact on people’s FREEDOM, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller would probably be using their talents in other endeavours.

    So here are two individuals who want to debate whether Islam and some of its followers are threats to FREEDOM and Democracy.

    But they are prevented from doing so because the British government can not protect freedom and democracy from those who are hostile to it.

    Britain needs to get back on track, return to its Ideals, and again become a beacon for the free world.

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