650 “Germans” have joined the Islamic State, according to the headline. Really? How many are Roman Catholics and how many are Lutherans?
All 650 are actually Muslims, of course. Do they consider themselves Germans in any way other than geographically? Unlikely. They almost certainly were taught Islamic values, including the distaste that the “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) should have for the jahiliyya, the society of the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) — unbelievers. They clearly reject a great deal of what most Germans would consider essential to what it means to be a Scot.
Yet for The Local, they are as German as Goethe and Beethoven — reflecting a dogma of the Left, that sociocultural values are the same everywhere, and thus it is only geography that makes for nationality. Move a Russian to Poland, and presto, his children will be Polish. The Western intelligentsia believes that if Muslims move to Germany, and their children are born there, that those children will grow up German, with German values — and that if they don’t, it is the fault of German authorities, who declined to allow them to assimilate because of their racism. The idea that all too many Muslims in Germany might have had no interest in assimilating is not allowed to be discussed.
Meanwhile, if a group of Germans moved to Syria and established a small enclave, a Little Germany within Syria, and had children born in Syria, would their children be considered Syrians, open and shut, without question? Would The Local refer to them as Syrians, as in “a Syrian man, Klaus Müller”?
“650 Germans have joined Isis jihad: minister,” The Local, March 6, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
So far about 650 people have travelled from Germany to the war zones in Iraq and Syria to fight for Isis, Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière said on Thursday evening.
Speaking on the Maybrit Illner TV talk show, de Maizière said that the trend in Germany – of ever more people travelling to the Levant to fight for the radical Islamist fighters there – was similar to those in France and Belgium.
Only in Britain has the number fallen back, he said.
The security services know “a great deal about” the Islamist scene in Germany and the 650 Isis recruits have been “very clearly identified,” said the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) politician.
There are also more than 1,000 high risk individuals who “we know pretty exactly”, he said.
The number of people travelling to the Middle Eastern war zones has been rising for several months.
In mid-January, de Maizière told the Bundestag (German parliament) that 600 people had travelled to the region to join Isis….
KrazyKafir says
And of course we can trust the compromised governments in the west to provide the real number of Muslim invaders who’ve left their home front to fight on another front, which I have no difficulty believing is considerably higher than their numbers.
Oliver says
May they all be killed; along with their brethren from France; Belgium; UK; US and Australia, as well as the home grown and form other Muslim nations.
The one thing that i dislike about the war in Syria–only somewhat north of 200,000 Muslims have been killed in Muslim/Muslim fighting. If the number was 10 fold, still would not be enough.
Someone, not sure if on this site, or elsewhere, USING OFFICIAL FIGURES (governments; The Useless Nations, etc) had, from Israel’s founding, through (I think 2013 or mid 2014) the number of Muslims killed in wars with Israel versus the number of Muslims killed in Muslim/Muslim violence.
The latter number was like 3 1/2 times higher.
Paul 2 says
The 3.5 ratio is impossibly small. Probably it is specific only to Palestinians. The numbers killed in the Iran vs. Iraq war alone would dwarf the numbers killed in Arab vs. Israel wars.
Oliver says
Paul,, Could be-I don’t recall where I saw the numbers, but you are probably correct.
Possibly Palestinians killed in wars with Israel vs. Palestinians killed by other Muslims–IE. the Black September war against Jordan, where the Bedouin tribesmen and other Jordanians loyal to the king massacred Palestinians, -including women and children, showing no mercy.
(I was in an army reserve unit then, and there was fear that the US might activate reserve units, as real army troops went to protect American interests in the Middle East. But President Nixon was more intelligent then Obama, and let them fight it out- and the Jordanians won easily.
No Fear says
If they are Germans then why are they fighting for Islamic State?
Does Germany have treason laws?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yeah, but those only apply to white Germans, the real ones. And maybe some gypsies. The FRG’s treason laws cannot be applied to Moslems, cuz that’d be racist and Islamophobic.
Dag says
Laws?
Laws, laws, laws. Think about it: there are laws and there is Law. Not the same. Shari’a is a lot of laws, but as Law it is evil and vicious. If one breaks the shari’a, does it make one a criminal?
Jihadis certainly share my idea that there is Law. They could not care less about laws. Thus, if one doesn’t care to be a law-breaker, one doesn’t do illegal acts in places where innocuous behaviour is illegal. Or, if one cares not, one does.
I can go to an Islamic nation and happily break all kinds of laws without thinking of myself in any way a criminal. I can kill people for all I care and still not think of myself as a criminal there or elsewhere. But there’s a limit. I cannot torture people at random. The reason is that the Law is universally against torturing innocent people. Muslims don’t always care about that. I do.
Look at laws for what they are: conveniences for the public sometimes; conveniences for lawyers mostly; and annoyances for the cultural/financial/political elite most of the time. Go where you will; do what you do; and live with yourself. If you break some laws, let the lawyers figure it out late while you live in the Amazon jungle and have a nice time.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yep, our laws are conveniences for use sometimes, on an as needed basis. Our Law has devolved into an a la carte menu, choose as you wish. To take a recent example, HSBC was found last year to have knowingly laundered hundreds of millions for Latin American drug dealers. No prosecution from Holder, just a stiff fine, more money for bonuses to employees. The criminal felony law against money laundering was selectively not enforced. This is happening all over the legal map, but nowhere is it more dangerous than doing it to curry favor with Moslems.
Spot On says
Figures don’t lie but liars figure. Similiar with laws?
Dag says
Spot On, one can spend a life time learning about ants. One of the finest science writers I know of, admittedly few, is E.O. Wilson, a man who writes about ants. I shake my head. I enjoy his work for many reasons, though I’m sure I’d enjoy it far more if he wrote about something that interests me. Even so, he is a brilliant writer, a man who has dedicated his life to the close study of nasty little bugs. He learns more daily. He could continue learning about ants indefinitely. He takes time out to write about other subjects. He cannot do much over all, even in the field of ants. all of us are stuck with that lack of time, no matter our interest or ability. Spencer learns daily about Islam. He will learn more daily, too, for all of his life about it, and will never come close to knowing as much as he would like to know. Each of us is lucky to have a little bit to contribute to the over all store of knowledge. Most of it will remain unknown. Some, like the million pages of comments here at Jihad Watch, will be material for scholars to come, those who will sift through all this commentary later and who will learn and contribute to their own time, perhaps.
Not everyone contributes equally, of course. Many of us are simply foolish most of the time. Even at our worst, however, we contribute to others by negative example. Our comments here might someday add up to something greater than our minute by minute concerns, creating a large package of sense that escapes us as we write it in the here and now. Even at my most ridiculous, and I can surpass many without effort, I try to be honest. I find that those who are far smarter than I are often those who are less than honest in their attempts to show how much smarter than I they are. There’s a lesson in that too.
I can’t write about law, given that it’s outside my field as far away as ants. Others are renowned experts. What I can do is mention that law is something significant in ways that the study of ants is not and never will be. Because law is so important, it attracts people to write about it as if they are not only far smarter than I, but as if they are far smarter than true experts. Thus, we end up with legalistic arguments from sort-of smart people who argue as if they are arguing about Law. they use the assumed or imagined forms of legal argument to make idiot statements as if such form is intelligent. Often it’s simply baffling. The Left is notorious for this kind of pseudo-argument. It’s not law, nor is it even legalistic argument: it’s just nonsense dressed up as if it were legal argument. The only thing worse than a dishonest lawyer in debate is an amatuer dishonest wannabe lawyer in debate. It’s a preferred form for the Left today. I find too many people who could never master the simplest facts about the nature of ants telling me about the rights of Palestinians, for example. The arguments are so asinine that I just walk away in disgust. Better to go to war where war is possible and solve the discussion by force.
There comes a time when those who “figure” have figured to the point they’re so irrational that only force is an answer to them. Most of such people are not deeply committed to their own arguments, in spite of the fact that we can today find numerous people leaving their homes in Europe to fight, kill, and die in Syria, for example. They might well make pseudo-legal arguments to justify their presence in war zones. They might seem not only sincere in their beliefs, they might even sound brilliant in the forms their arguments take, intricate and elaborate concoctions about neo-colonialism, racism, and so on. But such ideas are second hand, intellectual dust picked up along the road of life, and ingrained from lack of intellectual hygeine. We would find, if we looked closely, that most of those fighting and dying and killing are little smarter than pismires. They swarm where the other pismires swarm. They sound smarter than the rest of us, more moral, more all good things than the rest of us because they adopt the forms of higher intellectual debate, though underneath it all is sand. They mostly live in a fashionable place of the mind in this day. Fashions change. Tomorrow, or someday soon, the fashion for death in jihad will blow away for some new idiocy. Then, even the forms of discussion and debate might change from effete debate to brawling. One cannot tell. It’s fashion. But Law will remain in its place, solid, ever growing, ever more enlightened. The fakers might even add to that wisdom by doing what they do. All their figuring might in some strange way turn out to benefit us all when some true thinker on the subject encounters them. For the rest of us, simple honesty is enough. when confronted with sophistry of the lowest order, then, when the sophistry is backed by knives and gasoline, it’s time to abandon peurile debate and go to war where war is possible without breaking our own laws to the point of crime.
I don’t know enough about jurisprudence to have any opinons about much. I know that to go to war in a foreign land without a uniform of a legitimate state in a legal state of beligerance is to be a mercenary. I’m comfortable with that, even though, for what it would be worth, I would be without protection according to the rules of war as we know them today. So what?
I learn what I can. I do what I can do. Law is a good thing. Sometimes it’s the law of the jungle. I like that too. So long as I can live with myself at the end of the day, I don’t see myself as an outlaw, regardless of what others and even states. I’m one man. I do what I do. I try to stay within what I see as universal law. Others can figure til they impress themselves to death or dhimmitude. Maybe some brilliant mind will study those people someday as if they are ants. I might like to read about it then, even though I think I’d prefer something a little closer to the human.
Spot On says
Dag, Thank you for such an forthright in-depth review of everything we see here at JW. Politicians get elected and together they make laws. Later on the laws get “tweaked” one way or another to suit special interests and judges who are often sensitive to local opinion. These special interests are usually the ones giving politicians money for their re-election. In the UK this would probably be Muslims as well as business. Business is usually not culturally sensitive but not so with Muslims. Judges also listen to Muslims. Therefore, law can be a fluid thing when in weak or wrong hands and under the wrong influences. I fear that Europe will gradually see their laws change toward favoring Muslims.
Lawyers normally have nothing to do with this process. They simply use the law as if it were tools in their tool box. Much like a physician using his medical tools. There are a few bad apples in every profession whether it be accounting, attorney, physician, or clergy but these people do not normally change the law.
All too often, (as you generously illustrated with your friend who can’t get enough information about ants) people become overspecialized. I once heard someone say that specialists learn more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about nothing. This is certainly not true of your friend, I am sure. However, overspecialization in society can greatly reduce the number of educated street smart or people with common sense. Years ago people were mostly street smart and then educated. Today they skip the street smart part. Muslims are street smart people and this is why they are having some success. War is a street smart business.
Another factor that is completely ignored… I remember in the 1950’s, before academia became politicized, academics were very concerned about a study of rat behavioral change due to overcrowding. When overcrowded for a time, rats became much more anti-social and developed far less coherent behavior. Academia feared this would happen to people as cities became more overcrowded. Then academia became politicized and this subject disappeared completely, never to be seen again. Today, more people are making less sense, and seem to be less able to handle their lives in a good way. This of course would be due to a great variety of factors.
What you say makes sense about JW being a place where historians can get a glimpse of what everyone though during this time concerning Islam, that is of course, if the West does not succumb to Islam. I sincerely hope that the West can get back to the basics and realize the true depravity of Islam before it is too late.
Dag says
Spot On, thanks for the response.
I’m busy these past few weeks writing and compiling a book of Mohammed cartoons, and I am having some serious problems with the publisher over it. As well, I have trouble with the technical aspects using the computer. It’s frustrating, and sometimes I take a break to “doodle” on the Internet.
I’m assuming now that you’re older than I, but I too recall some of the 50s. if only from photos and tv reruns that I might have known first hand as a child. I do have memories of the 50s in a more immediate way in that where I grew up, the 50s lasted well into the 70s. It gives me a foundation on which to stand and look out at (Western) society today in contrast to what it was when I was young. Having a view of other sides of life, I choose to live in places more like my home when I was young rather than how life is now for my own kind back home, as it were, when I am not young any longer. I see America and Europe from a 50s point of view, and I see the Amazon and the Andes and other parts of the world in contrast; and that contrast leads me to live, for now, in the jungle. This, here in the heartland of the Amazon, is the home I had when I was young. At odds with most of what one reads, Bolivia is even more” Idaho” than anywhere in the U.S. today. I don’t live in Bolivia only because, no matter how tough it is for a freelance journalist in Peru, it’s far tougher there. There’s a limit to what I’m willing to endure for the sake of personal freedom. It’s tough enough in the Peruvian Amazon, as one sees immediately in the small number of Westerners living here. This is a tough life for tough men. Not many Americans today can cope with it here, let alone in Bolivia.
I know that most people at Jihad Watch are not willing to live in the Amazon jungle for years at a time. In fact, no one would visit me in Mexico City over ten years ago when I begged people to come to the relative comfort of a major city so we could organise for the sake of creating a fighting force outside the view of our governments. No one would meet me in Sophia for the same reasons. It’s too tough for most people to get away to Brighton for a bank holiday, too tough to visit relatives for Thanksgiving. So, most people, because they are decent and upset by the daily outrages of jihad, take to the keyboard to do what they can: to rage against the monstrous conditions of our time. It frustrates me. I am not so tough that I am the toughest guy in town. Many of my friends here are in their 70s, ex-military folks who make their daily ways with the vigour of 20 year olds in extreme conditions. No one gives a second thought to a 20 foot long anaconda laying across the foot path in front of the house in the morning. They step around it. Not so likely in America or Britain in our time. The government would become involved, the RSPCA, the SWAT team, grief counsellors, and so on. I understand that when a young man is stabbed to death at a bus stop, people take out their telephone cameras and take pictures. England today is not England when I was a boy. Bolivia is England when I was a boy. “The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there.”
Taxpayers across three nations paid for my million dollar education, and I turned out to be an alien. This is painfully clear in that as a writer of fine books, I make almost no money from it. I fall between the cracks of being an old hippie who’s been on the road for over 40 years, and yet one who is a cowboy from a lost generation, one who speaks a foreign language in English. to get a sense of what it’s like to live a live outside today’s Modernity, you can see me on the cover of my novel, Jockk Brand … at the link below.
There are going to be very few people who are willing and able to join me, or to go off independently, to do the things one must do to fight for freedom in this world. I look for those few here. Someday, someone will find me, and then we can join others who feel the same way. Together, separately, I don’t know, but somehow we will fight jihadis till the issue is settled for us personally. I like to stay within the laws of my own land, for the most part, but more importantly, I stay within my own moral code, and screw the lawyers.
I’m reasonable tough because it can be a tough world, and I’ve survived in it for a lot of decades. I can’t foresee what future generations will do with the world as we leave it to them. It’s not my business even if I could change it for the better. That is the challenge for others in their time to rise to and do with as they will. This is our time, and we act, or we pretend to act, or we weep and moan and make pseudo-lawyerly noises in the hopes of being akin to lawyers. I do things many would disapprove of, and I don’t care. Others must at some level feel the same way, if only they can act on it. Most people are as tough or tougher than I am, but they need to find that out for themselves in action. They need to let go of the lawyers and the social workers and the prisses till they find in their own minds the strength to fight for themselves. Maybe they will continue fighting for the fantasies of the status quo till they die. One must also be tough to live with the nation of Obama supporters. I can’t do it. ain’t that tough.
I write books, and if and when I make enough money to carry on the fight against our own nations’ degraded culture, fighting by taking the physical fight to the proxies now against us in the field, then I will go happy into that battle.
Today I finish my book of Mohammed cartoons. As I’ve mentioned previously, my pubisher will not go for blatant Motoons. Thus, I have produced a book of Snootoms, Motoons backward. There is no mention of Mohammed, but the book is a life story of an evil man named Demmahom. It’s not even written in English: it’s written in the ancient Polish language of Samizdat. What looks like, for example, a photograph of Marilyn Monroe is actually a Painting by Dali of Demmahom entered into a Marilyn Monroe look-alike contest. (He won, by the way, for singing “How much is that kafir bitch in the window?”)
I return to that task now. You might look at some of my books, and perhaps let others know that I write. Not all of my books meet the aesthetic standards I would like. some of the layout and editing in the early books is less than perfect. When I have money to have time, then I can fix things. Meanwhile, I must continue publishing books to make a living so I can find a way to return to the Middle East and do what I truly enjoy and find most fulfilling in this life….
http://www.amazon.com/D.-W.-Walker/e/B00PSKO7ZQ/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1
Oliver says
Alarmed PF
I agree; also- just about 1 or 2 years ago, the NY State Attorney general ( a – believe it or not) LIBERAL DEMOCRAT SUED THE STANDARD BANK ( BRITISH BANK) for laundering money for the Iranian government ( via the US “ally” Qatar).
Our esteemed president, attorney general & one or more US Senators (not sure who or how many, but I think the junior one from NY-glad I don’t live there) tried to get him to squash the suit.
The bank’s defense- they were not laundering, they were taking the money from Qatar to NY to transfer to the Cayman’s. I forgot the name they used- but was somewhat nautical.
Cannot recall the final outcome.
Hundreds of millions was involved.
It is possible ( perhaps probable) that the suit was filed so NYS could get the money ( forfeiture) – and, as much as I dislike liberals and NYS, better them then Muslims, anywhere.
Just my views, and also–laws.
Nicu says
If we would have treason laws – our government would be the first to be sentenced !
Muslims always will be Muslims they never feel loyal to their host lands !
quotha raven says
‘Muslims always will be Muslims they never feel loyal to their host lands !”
You hit a very important nail on the head here, Nicu – One of the most dangerous, fundamental mistakes most Westerners and certainly most Americans make in their thinking is their belief that a mosque is comparable to a church, just with different architecture and accoutrements. They think: various religions: Episcopalians, Baptists, Muslims, Presbyterians…”
Wrong. Islam is a theocracy with its own laws, courts (sharia) and dictates and prescriptions for life, One of those prescriptions is expansion and dominance of the land it occupies in the host country. (You can see it happening all over the world) and the mosque is the legal, social, problem-solving, center of the Islamic population that attends The Imam (or the mullah?) is the authority in all these matters. There is a corporate structure in Islam, not unlike the Catholic Church, except the latter is unified, whereas the Muslim factions fight each other viciously..
If I could make the next sentence in italics, I would: The MOSQUE is the established center of a MUSLIM NATION, with no obligation to respect the laws or customs of the country where they find themselves geographically. While they may not say so, members of the mosque are all promised,severe punishment for criticizing Islam. See apostasy. See Qur’an.
This is at least part of the reason one doesn’t hear much outrage from the “moderate Muslims.”As such, allegiance is first and always to the mosque, the established ground zero for an ever-expanding Muslim nation,, not the host country.
Meanwhile, the infiltration of western governments and bureaucracies continue to escalate. It is like being slowly and violently eaten alive! Cheers! Quotha
Dag says
Muslims go to the fight and kill and die for … basically the fun of it, and in the rest of the world, people write comments on the Internet, one of my all time favourites now being, not the usual “someone should do something,” but a genuine classic: “God should interfere.”
A world full of metro-sexuals and career-driven women, or wymin, is not one that appeals to me. Since the jihadis offer a fight, I am keen to take them up on the offer. As it happens, I’m not the only one. a handful of outlaw bikers from Germany and the Netherlands are in Syria and Iraq, at least from what little I can find out about it, and a few U.S. vets are working the same area. These are OK people, as far as I’m concerned. I am surpised at how few there are, given the heat and smoke one reads here over the past dozen or more years. Where’s all the put up? Too old, too fat, too many responsibilities in the old hometown to do anything but spend all day being upset.
I’m completing a new book, this one a parody of Muslim cartoons. I’ll put up some news of it when it’s ready to order. If nothing else, and if anyone pays attention, it might enrage some Muslims, making the fight ever more intense and thus ever more likely to be open rather than a passtime for old, fat, responsible people on the Internet to rail about.
mortimer says
Western counterjihadists would no doubt go to join a private Western-run army in Iraq were one to be organized. It would take a few retired colonels to get such a group started. I’m thinking of Teddy Roosevelt as a role model. Once started, thousands of ex-military and many young volunteers would step forward to defeat the barbarians. Once funding and leadership are supplied, a Counterjihad Legion would take off like a rocket…but that is probably what Western countries are afraid of! Such a group of highly motivated volunteers would be extremely effective.
Demsci says
Yes, that might just work, Mortimer.
But only in a “positive approach” context. in a context of a “better alternative to Islam”. With people who really appreciate our societies, as being better than Islam-dominated societies.
Muslims, they have MIG-texts (Most Important Guidelines (for life)). And those fighters should have their own MIG-texts, encompassing; Constitutions, Western values, Golden Rule. etc.
If people only fight AGAINST something, what guarantee would ordinary people have that what became dominant after the “bad ideology” was defeated, was not also “bad ideology”? YOu can only fight bad ideas with good ideas. So formulate those good ideas, even if it is something that is supposed be well known.
ECAW says
Why fight against IS now? It would be counter-productive at this stage of WWIII to suppress them. Things would just go back to normal with the stealth jihad of demographics and subverting our institutions. I cheer IS on as the lesser of evils and hope for civil war in Saudi and an all out Sunni/Shia conflagration in the ME.
It is our best hope for waking the people of Europe up and our realising that IS is Islam and Islam is IS and that we have to respond on that basis.
Dag says
I think we can forget about fighting and killing anyone at this point. Better is to think through who the enemy is and how to organise to fight him. I don’t see the primary enemy as jihadis. I see jihadis as proxies used by our Left intelligentsia to our disadvantage. Our own are the enemy. We have to clearly understand what that means, assuming I’m right, and then figure out how to combat them effectively. Who is the enemy? Who is not the enemy? What makes us different from the enemy?
Maybe I’m a crazy old man living in the basement cranking out too many pages every day and I spend my nights howling at the moon. Maybe I am an incoherent writer with idiotic ideas. Maybe I’m a clever fellow who writes insane books that seem plausible only to crazy people. I do write books. You can look at some of them in preview and make some initial judgement about them. If I don’t seem to be crazy, stupid, incompetent, or obnoxious, then you might find the time, money and effort to read what I write and think about it and perhaps think that you might want to move from there to more concrete acts such as organising, if only in your own mind, a struggle to combat the enemy as I define him. Maybe I’m all wrong about all this.
I see the major enemy of our time as collectivist intellectuals. I trace this intellectual movement from at least the time and person of Plato to von Herder, Fichte, and other German collectivist philosophers, coming down to roughly our day in the form of Walter Rauschenbusch, and beyond him, to the anthropoligists Boas, Meade, and Benedict et al. Thre is also the gang of social engineers one finds in the Marxist intellectual exiles such as Fromm. In total, I call it the German Revolution.
We all know of the Industrial Revolution, the American Revolution, the French Revolution; but few think about the German Revolution. I see that as the dominant “Revolution” of our time. It leads to a fundamental change in the nature of our lives and culture. I like to think I have written a clear and informed work laying out some of the foundations of this problem we face as free people in Modernist cultures. We can kill women and children later; for now, I urge people to find out what the problem is that makes that likely in the future.
There are numerous crack-pot thinkers writing books, and I might be one of them. Or maybe I know things and understand things in ways others haven’t considered and I might have identified sources of our problems that we can work to fix, regardless of how in the long run we do so.
Consider that my books are from the mind of a man who lives in the Amazon jungle. I do not live in an American suburb. I lived in the Middle East and learned much of what I know about jihad while I was there. Unless you live in a trailer park, I do not look like or speak like the guy next door. I do not write like Michel Foucault.
If you want to know who the enemy is, and if you want some idea how to think it through plainly and with sufficient information to carry on into more active roles, then look at my book, the first volume of five, to see if it suits you. If you’re wondering who the hell am I, you can look through the archives here over the past dozen years and see for yourself if I am secretly a Muslim or a nutter or a priss from the CIA.
If you want more than another day of angry banging on the keyboard about things you will not do anything about other than fill up more space on the pages here, you can look at my book on the History of Ideas and see if it suits you. If so, and if you want to move on from there someday, we will have something concrete to discuss in detail.
http://www.amazon.com/Genealogy-Left-Dhimmi-Fascism-Vol/dp/0987761544/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8
Dag Walker
Iquitos, Peru.
ECAW says
So, first you said you wanted to go and fight IS in Syria and I reponded to that. Now you think that’s not the way to go.
There’s no chance of me studying German philosophers I’ve never heard of or ploughing through five volumes of your masterwork which may or not explain everything. Time is too short, just as it is to respond to those on the other side who wish to send me up a cul-de-sac like this:
“How did you ascertain whether those verses and Hadiths which are supposedly justifications are really justifications? How did you deduce the rules pertaining to textual interpretation and extrapolation of laws from the primary sources of Islam?
Then there is the issue of understanding the underlying meanings of the primary texts, their application and the inevitable disagreement that arise amongst scholars due to their being divergent from one another in conceptualization and application of the principles of deduction.”
I’m pretty clear who my enemy is, those who take Mohammed’s message seriously and those who are in bed with them because they hate Western civilsation equally.
And I’m fairly convinced what the next steps are, and that they are not in our control. I rely on Muslims in their heartland to go a long way to destroying the ideology of Islam by showing up its moral, theological and practical bankruptcy by the behaviour it leads to. Also that they will make it clear to Westerners that it can’t be allowed to have influence in our countries.
Lastly, this pissed me off more than somewhat:
“If you want more than another day of angry banging on the keyboard about things you will not do anything about other than fill up more space on the pages here”
If you generally come to such far-reaching conclusions in your writing on the basis of so little evidence then you definitely won’t be finding space on my bookshelf.
As it happens I do quite a lot more than bang on a keyboard here. It just happens that I’m in a chatty mood today.
Dag says
ECAW, I’m feeling chatty, too.
Fighting IS in Syria is a great the way to go. At this time I can’t think of any better way to go. What you do with your time is up to you, whether you care to read about German philosophers you’ve never heard of or not. I have no idea how short time is. That is up to you as well.
You”re pretty clear who our enemy is: those who take Mohammed’s message seriously and those who are in bed with them because they hate Western civilsation equally. You’re fairly convinced what the next steps are, and that they are not in our control.
I beg to differ. You can do whatever, within reason, you care to do.
I rely on Muslims in their heartland to go a long way to destroying the ideology of Islam by showing up its moral, theological and practical bankruptcy by the behaviour it leads to. Also that they will make it clear to Westerners that it can’t be allowed to have influence in our countries.
I, too, like the Leninist idea: “The worse the better,”
This pissed you off:
“If you want more than another day of angry banging on the keyboard about things you will not do anything about other than fill up more space on the pages here.”
After a dozen years here at Jihadwatch, I don’t think it’s a general conclusion that few people do more than bang the keyboard. I’m happy to find that you do quite a lot more than bang on a keyboard here. It’s not my business what you do.
If you don’t want to look into ideas you know nothing about, that too is up to you. Maybe I don’t know anything of interest to you even if you did look into it. We’ll never know. Most people will agree with you on this and other opinions.
I know a few things and I write books about them sometimes. I travel some. I know that our own current culture is to blame for our predictament more than is Islam. The most effective way I can think of to fight our own internal problem is to defeat jihadis abroad. I like knowing my enemy.
Darren says
You nailed it, it’s all about control. Government wants a monopoly on the whole war business. They can’t have a bunch of peasants get together and get too big for their briches, which is what all governments fear.
mortimer says
Of course, they are not Germans! They are ISIS citizens! They have betrayed Germany. But when they tire of the charade, they will suddenly claim to Germans again…when it’s convenient.
Charli Main says
Indeed !!!! They are Germans/Brits/French et al when they want their FREE house, FREE healthcare, FREE education and especially FREE money, but they are Muslims, just practicing their religion, when it comes to raping, murdering and abusing little girls.
pumbar says
Is Germany finished now too?’
ECAW says
Can you provide chapter and verse for that? I’ve heard another version that he merely got down into the grave, purpose unspecified. I would like to see this cleared up one way or the other.
Charli Main says
There is, of course, no video or photographic evidence of Mohammed actually penetrating his dead aunt in her grave but Muslims accept that he did, based on the handed down testimony of his companions, that witnessed the act.
Muslim scholars unanimously agree that sexual intercourse with a dead woman is permitted BASED ON THE EXAMPLE SET BY MOHAMMED OF ISLAM ( my emphasis ). Muslims refer to the act of sex with a dead woman as “farewell intercourse ”
There is no punishment for having intercourse with a dead woman or animal. Al-Khabib Al Sherbini 2-51
There is no punishment for having intercourse with a dead woman. Hawashi Al Sharwani Vol 1–p 263
There are several other examples provided by Islamic scholars.
ECAW says
Thanks. I must admit I’ve never heard of the scholars you mention but I did hear about that Egyptian imam who said a while back that it was ok up to 6 hours after. What I would like to find is the hadith on which it is presumably based.
Charli Main says
@ ECAW
Hopefully, one of our far more knowledgeable, resident experts like Salah, will provide better and more detailed info than I have.
regards
pumbar says
Could you explain to me how Switzerland is not “finished”?
Ron Barak says
“All 650 are actually Muslims, of course. Do they consider themselves Germans in any way other than geographically? … They clearly reject a great deal of what most Germans would consider essential to what it means to be a Scot.”
a Scot ??
ECAW says
Well spotted. I read right over that.
Perhaps it was a momentary lapse – we’re all getting on – or perhaps it was an oblique reference to the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Hummer says
And about 100% most likely claimed to be moderates up until this. I’ll bet I’m right. Merkel needs to get her head on straight and quit playing the political correctness game right into the hands of their and our enemies-a fatal mistake.
abad says
650 Muslims left Germany for Iraq?
Now that is AWESOME.
Dear Germany, be smart and do NOT let them back into your nation!
L.H.Stockie says
ARMY OF LOCUSTS, the Islamic armies are once again rising TO vex the world like a plague of Locust, they are returning to their LUST for World conquest, the SPIRIT of this Age is pushing for an all Inclusive NEW AGE View that iSLAM is a fine noble Religion,.LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, Islam according to Bible Phophecy is to affect our lives in a profound way,Our failure to understand the sighns of the times will reap a Whirlwind of disaster if We Do NOTHING,The Sword of ISLAM has never remained in its Sheath for very long.
Joe Shmo says
They clearly reject a great deal of what most Germans would consider essential to what it means to be a Scot.
This made me laugh. And very eloquent article Robert, I’ve bookmarked this one!
Richard Courtemanche says
Good riddance and make sure they don’t come back. Now, Germany would be justified to cull all these misfits.