400 Muslims a day are trying to join the Islamic State from Australia alone. One might almost get the impression that the Islamic State is…Islamic.
Also, is it really wise for Australian police to stop them? Why not let them go and not come back? After all, trying to join the Islamic State is tantamount to declaring war against Australia, since the Islamic State has vowed war against and conquest of the non-Muslim world. And what if these Muslims who are prevented from joining the Islamic State decide to wage jihad right there at home?
“Australian counter-terror police ‘stopping 400 per day,'” BBC, March 15, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Australian police are stopping hundreds of people every day at airports in an attempt to prevent would-be jihadists leaving the country.
A new counter-terror unit conducted nearly 76,000 “real-time” stops – more than 400 per day – at eight airports between August and February.
The screenings are not random. Counter-terror police are targeting potentially suspicious travellers.
Around 90 Australians are believed to be fighting in the Middle East.
The Border Force Counter-Terrorism Unit (CTU) is a new unit designed to tackle extremists attempting to leave the country and join terror groups such as Islamic State (IS).
A spokesman for Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said the CTU teams had “successfully intercepted a number of people of national security concern” since August,
‘Severe stress’According to Fairfax Media, CTU teams in Sydney and Melbourne intercepted at least 11 terror suspects in their first three weeks of operation, as well as seizing extremist material.
The Customs and Border Protection Service said the teams had also found evidence of attempted movement of large sums of money.
The tactic has led to accusations of racial profiling from Australia’s Muslim community, including the country’s most senior Islamic cleric, Ibrahim Abu Mohammad, who said in September that the policy had caused “severe stress and unwanted inconvenience”.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, Social Services Minister Scott Morrison declined to say whether the CTU was using racial profiling to decide who was pulled aside at airports to be questioned or searched.
Mr Morrison, who was Immigration Minister when the CTU was established, said the unit was doing “outstanding work”.
The government has earmarked A$150m (£78m; $114m) of the total $630m counter-terror fund to establish CTU teams at eight airports across the country.
The teams operate at Australia’s eight international airports: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Cairns, Gold Coast, Adelaide and Darwin.
Earlier in the month, CTU officers at Sydney airport intercepted two brothers suspected of attempting to join Islamic State (IS).
The boys, aged 16 and 17, raised suspicions as they attempted to pass through customs and were detained.
They were later released without charge into the custody of their parents.
American says
The nations plagued with Islamist (which is practically all nations, now) really are missing out on an opportunity to thin the ranks of the seditious trouble makers. Just let them all go, maybe they’ll get killed, just don’t let them back in.
mortimer says
“just don’t let them back in”
Easier said than done. We would need to set up penal colonies for jihadists.
Kot says
You have both good ideas!!!!!
If they stay inside non islamic countries they might do something very bad inside..
johninohio says
Cancel their passports. That’ll keep them out.
Mirren10 says
”Easier said than done. We would need to set up penal colonies for jihadists”
Why would we, if we didn’t let them back in ? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.
Lia Wissing says
I’ve seen a video in which newly-arrived recruits are led to make a bonfire of their passports, to prove their loyalty to the specific terrorist group. Does a country have to give such a person, who no longer has a passport, the right of return?
pdxnag says
From latent Jihadi to manifest Jihadi, the natural progression for any upwardly mobile Muslim in any community of literate pious Muslims. Location does not matter. I say expel them all.
TheBuffster says
But if we let them go, they join IS and kill people over there. IS has been merrily decapitating Christians in droves. Why should we help the monsters top up their ranks by letting more killers join the jihad?
I don’t claim to know what the very best possible solution is, but if there’s enough evidence that a person is of the jihadist mind and was going to the ME to join up with a terrorist organization, that person should be stopped and should be kept away from the public. He or she should be treated like a prisoner of war… except I don’t know how that would work legally. Since no war has actually been declared from our side, I’m not sure that technically that would be legal. We might have to actually, literally, formally declare war on … the Islamic State? Jihadism? I don’t know my stuff in this area, though. Can anyone enlighten me?
But if we can stop them from going, we should – except we *shouldn’t* them let them roam free in our societies, since their intention to go fight for the IS or some other jihadist organization shows that they want to fight bloody war for Islam. And we know that if they can’t do it there, it’s highly likely they’ll try it here.
Is the problem that the law isn’t prepared for this situation? Is it that no war has been declared? That these kids can’t be charged with treason because there’s been no formal declaration that to fight for IS is to fight for the enemy?
Is the law not set up to be able to protect us from people whose aim is to go fight for groups who are our enemies and who, therefore, logically pose a deadly danger to our own lives if they are allowed to roam among us?
Jaladhi says
Every Muslim is an Islamist and follower of Islamism which is the basis of spread of Islam and every Muslim secretly hopes for the success of ISIS so that Islamic caliphate may once again be established in the world. Given the opportunity all Muslim would want to join ISIS!!
Charli Main says
The Muslim 5th column that is currently infiltrating every social and economic facet of their host country is FAR MORE DANGEROUS than the retards that are running off to join ISIS.
Muslims have wormed their way into the judiciary, police, military, local and national government, banking and economic systems.
The cancer attacking Western democratic societies from within, with the full knowledge and co operation of Western social and political elites, is rapidly reaching the terminal, incurably stage.
Lia Wissing says
The ‘run-offers’ all seem to fall into the cannon-fodder grouping, of which islam needs lots & lots, But yes, they’re not the true danger.
cs says
Just let them. Then make sure they don’t come back, and btw shot at sight in Iraq and Syria.
mortimer says
Absurd and crazy. This is a world ruled by laws, not fascism.
Horace Yo says
Beheading, crucifixion, burning alive, cutting children in half, slaughtering civilians, enslaving women and children, mass murder of everybody of a different faith they can get their hands on, the sharia law, the law of the Koran. You are a Jihad enabler and helper and a facilitator of all of the above atrocities, i.e. you are a Muslim.
ECAW says
Time to grab your whip and chair Mortimer, but I agree with you.
Here are 4 attempts to sketch out a programme of legal curbs which might avert a civil war and rule by the strongest paramilitary groups. Unfortunately the pendulum has been pushed so far and for so long in the PC/MC direction that the correction could lurch equally far to the other side. I have hopes that after enough jihadi attacks we will come to our senses and limit political Islam severely with the added message that if you don’t like it then you must go elsewhere.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6609-zero-tolerance-liberty-gb-s-new-islam-manifesto
http://europenews.dk/files/EuropeCharter.pdf
http://www.qsociety.org.au/downloads/Qon_12_practical_steps_to_stop_Islamisation_20Feb2014.pdf
http://cjhsla.org/2013/12/28/geert-wilders-10-points-plan-to-save-the-west-geert-wilders/
cs says
They just prove, with great redundancy, that they do not belong in the west, if it were 100 of them it would be bad, but 76000 radicals? Even if it is a tall number, let’s say it was 15000 it would be very worrying. And now, what is this people doing? Would they be de-radicalized? I just don’t think so.
That is hard proof to make anyone’s asses shake, it is a pure reality check on what this people are up to. Can you all grasp that? I am sure you can, you all know it already better than me, I am a newbie anyways.
Lia Wissing says
Only the proven ex-Muslim is really a radical. Every other muslim, whether ‘moderate’ or what is a clear and present danger to civilisation.
Richard says
It isn’t correct that 400 a day are trying to join the Islamic State. They are stopping and scrutinizing 400 suspects a day, the majority of which then carry on with their journey.
Salome says
Which suggests that they are making it a little harder for Muslims to exit Australia. Pity it hadn’t been the other way around.
Linde Barrera says
“Severe stress and unwanted inconvenience” ? In a war, people will be stressed, inconvenienced and offended, Mr Idiot Cleric Mohammad.
Ernie says
Dear Linde , what do you expect else from Mr Idiot Cleric Mohammad ? This man has some status speaking for his community . He knows ( as most muslims know ) , that comlaning/whining as much as possible pays off very well . They are conditioned this way . As are the left liberals , the ‘Gutmensch’ . The liberal left will immediately come in action to support the muslim scum in their demands . Otherwise it would be ‘ ignorant , intolerant , anti-multicultural , racist ,etc.’ And we must be soooooooo civilized and enlightened . YUCK !
Ernie says
sorry , complaining it is !
Ernie says
Dear Linde , complaining/whining and nagging is all part of their ‘jihad’.
Rob Porter says
400 a day in Australia want to go and join ISIS! Never did I imagine that Australia had degenerated to such an extent that it would become so stupid as to let in so many Muslims that they could produce 400 a days who wish to join such a savage Muslim organization.
However, what an opportunity to purge the nation of such vermin! Let them go, hope they get shot or blown to smithereens, and set in place laws that prevent their return. Also legislate that if they do manage to return and then get caught, it will be automatic execution by firing squad. Unfortunately we know that with Australia’s poor, weak leadership, it, like other ‘Western’ nations, would never possess the moral fibre, the gumption to do this.
Jeff says
Execute them and deport their families.
Ernie says
Well said Jeff ! That would teach them a very needed lesson !
Guy Gibson says
I couldn’t agree more,well put.
opinionated says
Sorry guys, this is not what this article says at all. It says Australia is pulling up 400 people a day at airports as they check for potential jihadis. It does not mean they are turning back 400 jihadis bound for the middle east each day. Not all the suspicious looking people are necessarily guilty. Of course this will raise the ire of the ‘moderates’ and the ‘progressives’, greens etc who will claim they are being unfairly targeted, that it is all our fault and we should be having more dialogue with them bla bla bla…….
Joe Shmo says
400 per day?! Just let them go! I can understand the consideration and thinking behind this as Australia is a free, democratic and caring society, but I think this will look like another just another portion of the grand madness in the years to come. If I was an Aussie and one of my relatives was a victim of a future attack on my native soil as a result of stopping these jihadists, it would feel like a huge betrayal to put it mildly.
mortimer says
They will do a lot of harm if released, like serial killers.
Australia has a huge number of jihadists per population. If three out of four jihad volunteer are the same repeat customers, it means that 100 a day are NEW, different volunteers. Multiplied by 365, it means that over 36,500 Muslims in Australia are ready to conduct jihad.
ECAW says
Can no one (including Robert Spencer) be bothered to read the article properly?
400 people a day have been stopped. That doesn’t mean that they were all trying to join IS. In fact it looks like only a tiny proportion were:
A “number” of people of people were intercepted of national security concern” since August,
and
At least 11 terror suspects in their first three weeks of operation.
Richard says
Yes, this has been drawn to peoples attention throughout the thread.
Nathan says
Who cares?
Let them go… Just check who’s coming back in. Why is this even a story… Like we give a $hit?
It’s the media saying that people care, so you must care, well we don’t. It’s just not true.
Nathan says
They obviously want them here don’t they?
To maim rape kill and torture us. They can’t just let them leave, after all the hard work that has been put into their ‘radicalisation’. What a waste. They want civil war and then world war III with killing by the thousands on our streets, and by God/allah they will get their way!
They are forcing us together in an embrace of death.
Kevin says
A better suggestion….pay their fares and cancel their Australian passports. Cheaper than having them stay and collect the dole.
abad says
Gee, Australia ought to be happy that “their” Muslims want to leave that island continent and go to Iraq.
One thing Australia:
Grow a brain and forbid these Muslims to re-enter your borders.
Raymond says
No real muslim can support ISIS as they know the reality behind it and are themselves scared of it. This is not a muslim based organisation. It is created by non muslims to bring bad names to muslims. Thats why they are active in muslim countries only and killing muslims and bombing only in those countries. Non muslims and westerners living in muslim countries are safe from them. These people are not educated enough to practice Islam or even pray properly. Prophet Muhammad predicted these groups appearing before the end of the world who will look like muslims and call themselves muslims, but they will be a real danger for muslims. They should be eliminated as soon as seen. So all muslims know who they are and can never support them. It is the Western people who should try to understand what is going on in the world, study the life of Prophet Muhammad and Quran with explanation to understand real Quran and Islam. A true muslim is instructed to love and support the country he lives in and love all the creatures of the Creator.
This movement against the muslims by creating Al Qaida and ISIS is long planned seeing their growing population in the West, to victimize and get them out of there. Hope world will understand this conspiracy before it is too late to regret. Lets all live in peace with love for each other and together help in eliminating bad elements from the societies.
eric says
I question the accuracy of the count of 400 per day prevented from leaving Australia to join ISIS. I haven’t read all the article and certainly not all the comments. But, I do know that country is coming down hard against Islamic terrorism. The 16 and 17 year olds were turned back to their parents. ok. So, what happened to the other 398 intended terrorists that day? More likely 400 people are questioned a day, but that seems high for a country with less than half a million Muslims.
When you prevent someone from fulfilling their ambition of putting their Jihad mindset into action you are saying they are criminals. You do not merely stop them from leaving the country and then set them free! The Australian prisons must be bursting at the seams adding 400 a day.
Anyway, those who ARE legitimate threats to public safety should be imprisoned for life OR until they come to their senses and reject Jihad. Make them pass many polygraphs after they claim to be ofpeaceful mindset. At least 5 years behind bars even Iif their attempt at Jihad was a fleeting fancy. DO NOT SEND THEM TO ANOTHER COUNTRY. We don’t want to add numbers to ISIS in any country. We wouldn’t want the French to deport a criminal to Australia to wreak havoc, so let’s not behave that way ourselves.
Steve says
The government has gone mad, they are stuck in a mary-go-round with all their policies! The new policy states that we must all embrace all muslims to death we us apart!!!
janice says
let them go then close the door. we neeed to get rid of them now before its too late .