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CIA’s Brennan: Islamic State not Islamic — they’re “psychopathic thugs”

Mar 13, 2015 11:14 pm By Robert Spencer

Brennan“CIA Director John Brennan at an event Friday warned against ascribing “Islamic legitimacy” to the overseas terrorist group, saying that allowing them to identify themselves with Islam does a disservice to Muslims around the world.” The fallacious assumption here is that Muslims around the world are looking to non-Muslims in the West to show them what is legitimately Islamic and what isn’t. That is simply not the case. The “best of people” (Qur’an 3:110) don’t derive their legitimacy from the opinions of the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6).

“CIA director on ISIS: They aren’t Muslims – they’re ‘psychopathic thugs,'” by Reena Flores, CBS News, March 13, 2015:

Call them “psychopathic thugs” or “murderers,” but don’t call the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) Muslims.

CIA Director John Brennan at an event Friday warned against ascribing “Islamic legitimacy” to the overseas terrorist group, saying that allowing them to identify themselves with Islam does a disservice to Muslims around the world.

“They are terrorists, they’re criminals,” Brennan asserted during the audience Q&A portion of an interview at the Council on Foreign Relations. “Most–many–of them are psychopathic thugs, murderers who use a religious concept and masquerade and mask themselves in that religious construct.”

“Let’s make it very clear that the people who carry out acts of terrorism – whether it be al-Qaeda or the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – are doing it because they believe it is consistent with what their view of Islam is,” the intelligence agency director continued. “It is totally inconsistent with what the overwhelming majority of Muslims throughout the world.”…

The real question is, is it consistent with the Qur’an and Sunnah, or mainstream views thereof?

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  1. Joseph says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    This guy is retarded. He has absolutely NO BRAINS.
    I don’t even think that he has a real head, his neck just blew a bubble.
    I feel R E A L safe knowing that this guy is in charge.
    And just how did he get this job?–ask him what Obama’s pecker tastes like.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 1:25 am

      Graeme Wood’s earthshaking article in the Atlantic proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to liberal America that ISIS is ‘very Islamic’.

      Brennan obviously didn’t read it. He makes himself look like a total idiot, since anyone with sense has already read the article.

      Someone, please force the article into Brennan’s hand. Brennan’s an embarassment.

      • jihad3tracker says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 2:35 am

        Daniel Pipes tossed his opinion into the blender recently : http://linkis.com/washingtontimes.com/Y3TJQ

        See what you think of it . . .

        • Demsci says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 3:09 am

          Mortimer. yes, great article of Graeme Wood, almost an “article of faith” to me. I knew it, but your and other support of it cheers me up.

          And Jihad3tracker, thanks for pointing out that article by Daniel Pipes. I am an unofficial follower of him. He, and this article were great! Thanks.

          Interesting that Daniel Pipes speaks of the worse alternative of bigger violence and danger, which would finally force the politicians to change their idiotic stance on ISIS not being Islamic.

          So he prefers that stance and lower violence to Westerners and their governments (and I am convinced that Politicians follow up on what majorities think strongly about) over huge violence and Islamic takeovers that at last would trigger an effective resistance.

          On a technological note; Can we not envisage, and should the Muslims not fear, that our technology, led by Google, what with AI and technological tools that gives individuals/ small groups much more power,

          also of monitoring and propaganda etc

          than 1,6 ordinary Muslims can expect to achieve,

          will get away in future with the real power over most of mankind, including over these Muslims and their children?

          It is one of my fondest wishes that Muslims finally smell THEIR coffee, and the danger that Islam is in. Note, it is Islam that I wish ill, not the Muslims or their descendants.

        • ECAW says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 4:44 am

          Here was my response to Daniel Pipes. I don’t think his response makes sense. I can’t see any possibility of Islam existing in numbers in any society without doing its utmost to subjugate the host:

          http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/222247

        • Demsci says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 6:19 am

          ECAW, I saw your reaction. It was logical, rational, you make the opposite choice from Pipes. I appreciate it as possibility, really.

          There is so much to work out for us concerning strategy. but it must begin with what our positive goals are, what we are for.

          Important also for me it is to identify not only who our enemies are, but also who, say, the neutrals are. And if we should try to save THEM, or NOT. It seems like dragging a dead horse around trying to persuade those “normal”, reasonably good-natured, but oh so ignorant masses (sorry if I sound arrogant), led by politicians and CIA-chiefs, that say such idiotic things about terrorists and Islam.

          No, I say, let willful ignorants suffer the consequences of their choices. Let them live among Muslims and take their chances.

          That leaves some sort of True Democratic Citizens, who distinguish themselves from both Muslims and those endless neutrals.

          This means that True Democratic Citizens will somewhere somehow survive and even spring up in unexpected places and then prosper, without Muslims.

          The key is that we do not hold on to hopeless neutrals and all Western countries, only to key countries and cities. What if we give up one democratic country or city, but the country or city next door receives true loyal democratic citizens and rejects all disloyal and even disinterested citizens to the country just taken over by the Muslims?

          I am thinking out of the box and try to focus on the willing and let the disinterested and their places of residence go. Sorry if this sounds harsh, there is more but this is it in a nutshell.

        • ECAW says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 7:38 am

          Streuth Demsci, you paint a truly dystopian picture – England for instance split up into separate city states, Birmingham for the Muslims, Manchester for the Kuffar. Wouldn’t they be bound to be perpetually warring city states until one side won?

          IMHO an all out struggle has already started and we must win for the sake of Western civilisation and our grandchildren and Islam must lose and be tossed into the trash bin of history (for the sake of Muslims!).

          I anticipate increasing polarisation (and welcome it as a necessity) until the great majority choose which side they’re on. IS are doing a great job in that regard. It’s becoming too obvious to keep denying that IS is a faithful reflection of the Islam of Mo and his chums. As far as the sleeping neutrals are concerned, I don’t think we can hope to convince them but each atrocity convinces a few more and then here the counter jihad is waiting for them if they merely google “jihad” or “IS” or some such.

          I was awakened by Woolwich, Bradamante was awakened by Boston, a lot of people here were awakened by 9/11 or even earlier. I rely on the jihadis to alert us all in time. It will take many casualties but I fear stealth jihad more. In particular I am aghast at the increasing number of Muslims that the European navies pluck out of the Mediterranean and deposit on the wrong side, cheered on by the Pope and the EU.

        • Demsci says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 8:55 am

          ECAw, I am of the 9/11-enlightened group.

          I largely agree with you.

          Except that my (very) peculiar take now on this vexed problem of Islam and Democracy is: Let’s lower the norm for what we consider normal, but vague, and then try to spot the “positive deviations/ mutations” and enlarge them as best we can.

          This is also Darwinian theory; meaning that effective mutations will proliferate. I want to help proliferate the mutations that we really deem well and know really well, not some vague notion of Western society/ civilization, no I want us to be enthousiastic about what we love! And have that in our minds all the time, with gladness, developing it all the time.

          The normal way of people, politicians, media, in contrast, has high norms of what is considered “normal” and then seeks negative deviations and then tries to fight, reduce, eradicate them.

          But the disadvantage of that approach is that those who do that are thinking, with sadness-fear-anger about what they hate. And I see the difference in what we have in mind mostly.

          Divided countries, warring cities? But who knows? Why do we true loyal democratic people not relocate to our real strongholds and invite good people in there and throw bad people out? We get more mobile all the time and I am loyal to democratic principles and NOT to useless land, ground, places. If there is a better place I relocate.

          And sure, I still like us to remain watchful and pay big chunks of national income to security.

      • Transmaster says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 2:46 am

        mortimer, Thank you for directing me to the stupendously important article by Graeme Wood in the Atlantic at last I understand ISIS. I knew Obama and his minions are opinionated idiots Reading make me see just how really ignorant they are. It would seem that all of the Muslim states are in almost as bad a danger as Israel is.

        The link to it, a must read: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

        • Michael Copeland says

          Mar 14, 2015 at 5:33 am

          They are not idiots. They are concealing and masking. They do not support US interests.

        • cs says

          Mar 15, 2015 at 8:20 am

          @ECAW, I think Pipes is elaborating on Real Politics, whether we want it or not, that is how they will deal with it.
          Though I think you right btw.

    • sheik yer'mami says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 2:33 am

      Brennan is a Muslim and plays the Islamic game of deception. That doesn’t make him an idiot, it makes all those who do nothing about it idiots.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 3:41 pm

        Yes, of course; if Brennan is a Muslim, then we must reasonably assume he is lying, not sincerely deluded by Quantum Ignorance as is the majority of non-Muslim Westerners.

    • particolor says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:45 am

      All He said from that Speech was that they are now Firmly Implanted al over the World with their FAKE Asylum Seeker and Refugee Scheme !! 🙁 You can tell them by the Fruit They Bare !!
      And He just Confirmed it !!
      Do You know that there is No Depth those Psychopaths wont go to ! To cause Mayhem, and Anger to Infidels ! STOP their Sauces of Free Welfare for a starter, They are Bludging Barsteds and Blood Sucking Leeches !! 🙁

  2. Mark says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    Did you know that we now have a Muslim government? John Brennan, current head of CIA converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia. Obama’s top advisor, Valerie Jarrett, is a Muslim who was born in Iran where her parents still live. Hillary Clinton’s top advisor, Huma Abedin is a Muslim, whose mother and brother are involved in the now outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for Homeland Security, Arif Aikhan, is a Muslim. Homeland Security Advisor, Mohammed Elibiary, is a Muslim. Obama advisor and founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Salam al-Marayati, is a Muslim. Obama’s Sharia Czar, Imam Mohamed Magid, of the Islamic Society of North America is a Muslim. Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood Partnerships, Eboo Patel, is a Muslim. And last but not least, our closet Muslim himself, Barack Hussein Obama. It’s questionable if Obama ever officially took the oath of office when he was sworn in. He didn’t repeat the oath properly to defend our nation and our Constitution. Later the Democrats claimed he was given the oath again in private? CIA director John Brennan took his oath on a copy of the Constitution, not a Bible. Congressman, Keith Ellison took his oath on a copy of the Qur’an. Congresswoman Michele Bachman was vilified and almost tarred and feathered by Democrats when she voiced her concern about Muslims taking over our government. Considering all these appointments, it would explain why Obama and his minions are systematically destroying our nation, supporting radical Muslim groups worldwide, opening our southern border, and turning a blind eye to the genocide being perpetrated on Christians all over Africa and the Middle East. The more damage Obama does, the more arrogant he’s become! Our nation and our government has been infiltrated by people who want to destroy us. It can get worse or better depending on ” we the people”. Its up to us to prevent Martial Law before the next election. Feel free to press on comment, copy and share

    Here is something else. Fouad al-Bayly, An Egyptian born Imam who has publically supported the death penalty for those who choose to leave Islam has since been hired by the Department of Justice to teach Islam in prisons.

    • Don McKellar says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 12:06 am

      The infiltration has been long-planned and patiently executed right up to the highest levels. Corruption. Astonishing corruption. Unless there is a complete house-cleaning with the next President, America is pretty much doomed to never get out of this spiralling quagmire. It’s that bad.

      As for Obama, his record speaks for itself. And he is absolutely a Muslim, not only by his deeds and documented historical facts, but in the very subtle, tricky ways in which he weasels out of things. As Mark states, he didn’t repeat the oath properly to defend America and the Constitution. Also, when asked if he is a Muslim, he never says that he is not. If he has, please prove me wrong. He only says that he is a Christian. And, as we have seen, Muslims practising kitman Islamic deception will say that, too. They rationalize it that they believe Jesus was a prophet prior to Mohammad.

    • Judi says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:28 am

      Excellent post Mark. You are totally correct with the information you provide. What is amazing is that the fraud in the WH has been allowed to get away with it for six years.

    • Mulakush says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:39 am

      Can you spell Conspiracy Theory?

    • kinley says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:29 am

      Over the years the (now former) president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stated in many speeches that he wanted to create chaos, violence and genocide throughout the world, to create the conditions that would prompt the coming of the Mahdi, the Shiite messiah. The Mahdi will lead all Muslims, and violently impose sharia onto the world. Shiites believe the Mahdi will make the genocides of Hitler and Stalin, and all previous wars including WWI and WWII, seem like the work of kindergartners. Thank our Lord Ahmadinejad did not succeed, but Is this what’s happening with the current US administration, which has Shiites in the highest positions?

    • mortimer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 10:38 am

      Obama’s appointees don’t constitute a conspiracy, though the number of Muslim appointees are perhaps overrepresented, but they are still needed to help with government communications. They probably have limited success in that, because no one knows how to stop the jihad without becoming an apostate.

      Obama is a sincere, unaffiliated Protestant. Eboo Patel is an Ismaili; their sect have always taken the side of the West. There are few true American conspiracies, Mark. Watergate conspirators went to jail. So did John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald.

      Muslims of today are caught in their own self-deception. They say they want sharia law and a caliphate, but now that ISIS has given them that, they aren’t sure whether it’s too barbaric or not.

      • voegelinian says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 3:44 pm

        One reasonably suspects mortimer is an apostate and still has yet to shake Islamic perspectives from his psyche.

    • Leith Wood says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 6:48 pm

      Thank you for telling the truth! It’s true and should be reported to Americans, many of whom wear blinders and cover their ears to the truth. Huma’s mother wrote a book about how to instill Sharia law in western countries. Adina and her mother belong to the Muslim Sisterhood. Please keep printing your email. You improved my day.

    • cs says

      Mar 15, 2015 at 8:36 am

      I agree, there is a big infiltration, and Bat Yeor was saying this all along for everyone to see, and she was considered a bigot and islamophobe.
      Though I don’t think it will end up been a good move for Islam, it is more likely it is a trap all along, a well crafted one, but millions or billions will die in the process, it will also justify a draconian regime based on electronic surveillance.

  3. Kepha says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    So, this is the guy who supposedly heads US “intelligence”? ***SIGH!!!!***

    One more liberal American who makes himself a bigger authority on Islam than all the imams, mullahs, sheikhs, and ayatollahs out there.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 1:27 am

      Exactly. Al Azhar University is the ‘vatican’ of Islam and they did not claim that ISIS is ‘un-Islamic’.

      Brennan talks as if he knows more that Al Azhar. He insults our intelligence. Inexcusable.

      • Charlie Griffith says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 8:32 am

        One interesting theory about all of this public “moderate” Muslim bulls!t mouthed by our politicians is that Brennan et al are practicing their brand of taqiyya. ….disinformation.

        So, only they themselves know what’s really in their heads. We certainly can’t rely on the media for accurate unbiased reporting.

        We’re in a helluva mess.

        We have no confidence in our elected and appointed “leaders”, while at the same time not having the legislative self-confidence to impeach the whole lot of ’em out of fear of “offending” all of the unwashed voters out there.

        So, tenure in office rules all. We have, in effect, mob rule.

      • Oliver says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 9:33 am

        I read that a scholar from there had said Isis should be crucified or have their hands and feet cut off, as the Koran calls for for people that wage war against Allah and his messenger or strive to cause corruption in the land… Doesn’t sound like a vote of confidence to me

  4. silvergreycat says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    *…“Let’s make it very clear that the people who carry out acts of terrorism – whether it be al-Qaeda or the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant – are doing it because they believe it is consistent with what their view of Islam is”….* Dr. Bill Warner adds… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt51LTLTKm4

  5. Linde Barrera says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    This is to Mark. Thank you for that hum dinger of a laundry list of government employees who are Muslims, and in key positions. I am starting to feel paranoid. No joke. It looks like Rudy Guiliani, former Mayor of NY, is on to something.

  6. Don McKellar says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    And to think that the head of the CIA is an absolutely clueless oaf who hasn’t even tried to educate himself about the greatest threat to the United States by studying the philosophy of the enemy: Islam. Is it any wonder that the Islamic State and all the rest are thriving? Is it any wonder that the global jihad of terror continues to spread and extend its black tentacles of death, murder and destruction around the world? CIA Director John Brennan, you are a pathetic fool, and a disgrace to your office and to America.

  7. William says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 12:20 am

    If we are forbidden to ascribe Islamic legitimacy to ISIS, then by corollary, should we ascribe Islamic illegitimacy? Are non-Muslims in a position to do so – that is, either legitimize or delegitimize a professed practitioner of Islam?

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:06 am

      Chameleon-theology, very good!

      Maybe THAT is what we shall Islam; in The West it has one interpretation, among ISIS another, in Iran and Saudi Arabia again something different. But still it is coming from “The Cameleon; Quran-Hadiths-Sira (or Quran-Sunnah)! And these are ordained immutable.

      Israeli writer Yuval Harari in his book “Sapiens” explained that this was “necessary” to unite disparate people’s under one Most Important Guiding Text. People would in the beginning only all agree on following “Divine” texts.

      Now that immutability produces all kinds of equally valid interpretations, adapting to it’s surroundings, like a Chameleon.

  8. MKG says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 1:10 am

    Yes, he is absolutely right. They are psyopathic thugs, who live in accordance with the koran.

  9. mortimer says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 1:50 am

    “PSYCHOPATHIC THUGS”?

    Did Brennan ever read where they learned their behaviors? Like the following?

    CUTTING HANDS AND FEETS AND, BRANDING EYESWITH HOT IRON

    Bukhari Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:

    Narrated Abu Qilaba: He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.”

    SLOW BURNING BY KINDLING FIRE ON CHEST

    Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

    SPLITTING THE BODY IN THE MIDDLE BY PULLING THE LEGS APART USING LARGE FORCE

    Tabari VIII: 96.” Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman”

    CUTTING TONGUE

    Ishaq: 595 “The Apostle said, ‘Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.”

    PULLING TEETH

    Ishaq: 312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out “”

    • David says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:29 am

      Unsubstantiated unauthentic nonsense.

      God is a God of love. God already owns all creation. It’s absolute nonsense God would try and gain what He already owns – the entire world.

      ISIS claim to be acting on behalf of God which is pure and utter rubbish. Muhammad and the Quran in Sura 3:7 disown those who create a false interpretation of the Quran to further their own causes.

      God sent Muhammad to mankind to civilise and educate us spiritually.

      ISIS are a destructive organisation which do not teach spiritual values like love, compassion, mercy, forgiveness, tolerance and virtuous behaviour which the Quran and Muhammad taught.

      The books you quote are lies, untruths and falsehoods. You can also find books with Muhammad denouncing violence. Neither of these books can be authentically verifiable to be the authoritative sayings of Muhammad and cannot be traced back to Him and were not signed or sealed by Him so only the Quran constitutes the Word of God agreed upon by both Sunni and Shiah. Hadiths vary according to sect and are NOT authentic and cannot be proven to be traced back to the Prophet. Only the Quran is .universally agreed upon as the Word of God nothing else.

      On the other hand we do have a Prophet Baha’u’llah Who confirms that Muhammad was sent by God and that He committed no wrong. A Prophet of God can also confirm the accuracy of Hadths 1,000’s years old something neither Mullas or people however learned can do as He is sent by God.

      According to Baha’u’llah groups like ISIS are evil and nothing to do with Islam or the Quran or Muhammad even though they use Its Holy Name to commit atrocities.

      • Raja says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 5:51 am

        David, You are either ignorant or trying to spread falsehood about Koran. Every thug and terrorist draw their inspiration from Koran. How can so many thousand terrorist misunderstand Koran? How come millions danced when twin Twin towers were blown up? If Mohamad was peace loving why didn’t he clarify so that his followers would really follow his peace loving methods?

        You are either too naive or defending the indefensible!!!!!

      • Demsci says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 6:36 am

        Hi David,

        First of all, if all Muslims were Baha’ullah’s would all Muslims then fit in perfectly within Western Democratic society, which is very free, but also very divers, just NOT totalitarian and violent?

        If this is so, I like to point out to you that you point out some peaceful version of Islam, but that the Muslims in general remain giving a vague ambiguous story. after which they then “declare that “ISIS is a negative deviation” of the Islamic norm.

        But the infidels by now are not accepting such an approach less and less. And I don’t know where this growing controversy and confrontation will end.

        My approach would be more positive; Consider “normative, mainstream Islam” faulty, too vague, ambiguous, incomplete, contradictory, obsolete. BUT look out for “positive deviations” among them, like Mayor Aboutaleb, Al Sisi, maybe king Abdullah of Jordan. And YOU, David.

        But the problem with you is that you fail to distinguish yourself from your hopeless co-religionists and that you keep defending the ambiguous obsolete Quran. As if there were only one REAL TRUE interpretation, whereas some of us now think there are divers valid interpretations of Quran-Sunnah while many of us think that there indeed is on REAL TRUE interpretation but it is totally BAD.

        Any way you do not clearly choose a good interpretation, reject the bad interpretations and JOIN the democratic side, which is what Aboutaleb HAS done. or at least has said he has done.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 11:00 am

        Another “Qur’an only” heard from. All of this nonsense has to do with protecting Islam at all costs. The authenticated hadiths, accepted as canon by the absolute consensus of the ulema for all these centuries, toss them (when arguing with infidels) because of all the embarrassing, indefensible acts of Muhammad and his companions. Of course, you toss making any sense of the Qur’an or the example of Muhammad by tossing the Sunnah, you can also toss the schools of shari’a (when arguing with infidels). Except, the Qur’an itself suffices as a manual of hate and war, as a declaration of war on non-Muslim mankind. But we are to suppose Muslims don’t understand any of this. We (Infidels) can somehow read all this and know all this but Muslims somehow find “ambiguity” in their religion. Islam is NOT ambiguous. As the Qur’an says, it is very CLEAR and unambiguous. Fight kill and subjugate are not metaphors. Hate and enmity are not suggestions. Yes, Islam is cannibalistic and has been from the beginning but it’s not because Muslims misunderstood Islam. Quite the contrary.

        Does anyone really believe Muslims don’t understand Muhammad, the perfect man, and don’t know what he said and did? Don’t know the stories of Khalid, the “sword of Allah”? Don’t believe that Allah’s law has all rights over everyone? Really? What is the one guarantee of attaining Paradise in the Islamic religion and of attaining the highest rung in Paradise? Answer that and then see if you can pretend violence is not at the core of Islam. The only reason everyone has to parrot that “the Islamic State is not Islamic” is because if it is, it leads us to Muhammad and a lot of disturbing questions Muslims already know the answer to. Brennan is not speaking to Muslims, he is lying to Infidels.

        But (for so many Infidels) the truth is so bad that the lies are preferable.

      • cs says

        Mar 15, 2015 at 10:16 am

        Hi David (probably Adbul). you wrong, thanks for your (poor) efforts.

    • shabeer_hassan says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 8:29 am

      @mortimer
      PLZ STOP PUBLIC LYING IN FRONT PPL…..POSTING LAST PART OF THE HADITH & HIDING THE FIRST ,SHAME ON U,I THINK RELIGIOUS CRITICISM NOT SUITED FOR U,MY ADVICE IS PLZ GO TO CLEAN THE PUBLIC TOILET,THAT IS BETTER THAN THIS COWARNESS…..

      WHAT R THE CHARACTER OF PPL PROPHET ORDERED PUNISHMENT?

      Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 4 :: Hadith 234
      Narrated Abu Qilaba:

      Anas said, “Some people of ‘Ukl or ‘Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, **********they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels*********(KILLERS & LOOTERS ). The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in ‘Al-Harra’ and when they asked for water, no water was given to them.” Abu Qilaba said, “Those people committed *****theft and murder*******, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle .”

      GENARAL CHARECTERS OF NON MUSLIMS R
      Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 281
      Narrated Ibn Abbas:

      They, the people of the Scriptures, divided this Scripture into parts, believing in some portions(POSTING ) of it and disbelieving the others(HIDING).
      16:105. It is only those who believe not in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.
      22: 51. But those who strive against Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), to frustrate and obstruct them, they will be dwellers of the Hell-fire.
      11: 18. And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allâh. Such wi,l be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, “These are the ones who lied against their Lord!” No doubt! the curse of Allâh is on the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.).
      19. Those who hinder (others) from the Path of Allâh (Islâmic Monotheism), and seek a crookedness therein, while they are disbelievers in the Hereafter.

      TABRI & ISHAQ R NOT HADITH,THAT NOT VALID

      IDENTITY OF ISLAM:

      6: 151,60: 12,25: 68,5: 48,16: 116,8: 20,6: 153,5: 3,4:175,4: 174,4: 115,4: 105,4: 80,4: 69,4: 59,6: 21,49: 1
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 174
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 384, 391
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 208
      Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 92 :: Hadith 381
      Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5920,5922,5923
      Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 2803
      Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
      Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are *******the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet*******.”

      YES THE QURAN & HADITH ,NOT ISIS,NOT BOKO,NOT THE KILLERS &TERRORIST,ECT,ANY ONE WANT TO CRITICIZE IS ISLAM PLZ FROM ITS AUTHORITY OR ALL OF U DO LIKE MY ADVICE……

      • wallace says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 9:48 am

        Shabby you have been told to desist in posting shit, nobody is in the least interested in anything you have to say. Battering your bonce off the floor 5 times a day is not doing you any good at all. Go look after the goats, they need you.

      • VRWCmem27 says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 12:55 pm

        @shabeer_hassan I’m quite sure you’ve been debunked by many people who are more knowledgeable than I am with regard to the “context” of the Hadiths you reference here, so I won’t bother going through what I’m sure they’ve already done.

        Let me ask you a simple question. Why are these “thugs and psychopaths” which the this pseudo Westernized muslim convert Brennan says are “not Islamic,” picking on Islam to justify and perform their outrageously despicable murderous acts and not some other religion? What has Islam done to them where they feel the need to tarnish its virtuous image?…..waiting….

  10. vlparker says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 1:55 am

    What percentage of muslims is made up of psychopathic thugs? Ten, twenty, thirty? Whatever the number, how come islam is the only religion so afflicted? Why aren’t there significant numbers of Christian and Jewish and Buddhist and Hindu psychopathic thugs?

    I also wonder what percentage of US government and intelligence personnel are made up of delusional idiots. Now delusional idiots seem to encompass the spectrum of all governments and intelligence communities worldwide. Why is that not the case with religion and psychosis?

  11. No Fear says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 2:48 am

    “Psychopathic thug”?

    That is a good description of Mohammed.

  12. Caveman says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 3:13 am

    What do you have to do as a proper Islamic Terrorist to get any attention these days. Whatever you do there’s thousands of people on the left denying that you have anything to do with Islam. Calling yourself ISLAMIC and/or ISLAMIC STATE doesn’t seem to help.

    • occupant 9 says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:36 am

      Indeed. The Left just can’t seem to allow a poor Muslim terrorist his own self-identity; it’s almost, how the Left says, “Racist.”

      Alas, if the Left allowed Muslim terrorists their own ID and Islamic theology as incentive, they’d have no “poverty, lack of education and opportunity, racism, bigotry, intolerance and Islamophobia” to excuse the acts of pious Muslims with, and keep the Left “relevant” with the kind of solutions a man digging a hole in a canoe offers for a vessel taking on water.

  13. duh_swami says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 4:24 am

    What are called ‘useful idiots’ today are the ‘fellow travelers’ of the 50’s…They write articles and give speeches but rarely debate. Most of them have never cracked a book, but feel confident they can tell infidels and Mahoundians themselves what Islam is and isn’t. That’s easy to do when they never have to back up their statements.

  14. Psychi says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 4:26 am

    John Brennan is correct; they are psychopathic thugs, & further, they are criminals .& terrorists. Correct as far as that goes, I’m sure we all agree so far. His blunder, a Fallacy of Logic, is to assume it’s an “Either-Or” situation. If they are a) then they can’t be b). Of course, they are both; psychopathic thugs AND “good Muslims”, very devout indeed! Actually he’s using an oratorical device, a trap for the unwary, though it clearly hasn’t worked on this site! “If you agree with me that they’re thugs, criminals” etc, “then you’ll also agree with me that they’re not Muslims”. The best lies are half-truths. What a con…..

  15. Mulakush says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 4:41 am

    Islamic State is Islamic AND they’re “psychopathic thugs” as dictated by the Quran.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:19 am

      Not so fast, Mulakush,

      “According to the Quran”??? There lies the problem! and with Hadiths-Sira. These are simply too multi-interpretable, to prone to use for totalitarian and violent us, as ISIS shows. I think.

      Yes, you can tell US how Islam is to be correctly understood, in some sort of only logical, valid way, AFTER YEARS OF DEEP STUDY, the way that God and Mohammed supposedly intended.

      And you know what, many on the “other side” would agree with you, the only difference being they consider that ONE meaning BAD and you consider it GOOD, DIVINE. But only interpretable in ONE legitimate way.

      But others will say that the problem is the chameleon-like multi-interpretability of Quran-Sunnah that is now shown.

      And that in combination with the idea that Muslims, whose majority does not study or know Islam enough to reach some ONE AND ONLY POSSIBLE VALID INTERPRETATION,

      are still responsible for choosing such an unclear and obsolete set of rules like quran-sunnah, uncritically, as their Most Important Guiding Texts!

  16. Roy Moore says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 5:34 am

    It would seem that experts in the field disagree with the CIA
    See the following for a view from a Muslim researcher.
    Makes for very interesting reading:-
    http://www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4821.htm

  17. Michael Copeland says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 5:53 am

    What “the overwhelming majority of muslims” think, or believe, or follow, may be quite interesting, but Islam is not defined by an “overwhelming majority”: Islam is defined by its source texts.
    I.Q. al Rassooli, Arabic-speaking ex-muslim who has studied Islam’s source texts for over three decades, says ninety per cent of muslims have absolutely no idea what the Koran says. There you are: an overwhelming majority.
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6645-permissible-lying-by-a-muslim-mp

  18. Cloud says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 5:59 am

    I know what Brennan said is wrong. However That’s exactly what i would have said if I were in his position. It’s so much easier to demonize ISIS and anyone sympathising with similar ideology if I disassociate them from Islam. Despite the fact that I know that majority of Muslims sympathize with ISIS and Jihad, I’ll take advantage of the fact that they can’t proclaim it openly. I’ll pretend to believe those Muslims who lie to me that ISIS and other Jihad outfits have nothing to do with Islam, and that they are in fact enemies of Islam. I am then free to kill the jihadists and to claim to be killing the enemies of Islam. The Muslims that lie to us will be forced to, support me or at least pretend to support me. I’ll give maximum coverage to Muslims that lie that Islam means peace. That means i am free to go after the Muslims that indulge in violence, because they have been branded enemies of Islam already. Yes, all this will only be successful only if I am not fooling myself. I should use this strategy only to put the Muslims on the defensive, while at the same time doing everything to eliminate the Jihadists, and their sympathizers.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 10:47 am

      I think you have the one correct explanation.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:13 pm

      Aha, deep thinking! Yes, such a strategy does have this big advantage! Thanks for pointing it out!

  19. Indian Andy says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 5:59 am

    Then why aren’t the” good Muslims ” standing against them? The bastards are praising Allah, when they shoot at us.

  20. Raja says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 7:04 am

    Here is a man who reminds of a bullheaded American. He being in fools paradise, we need to know his psyche and may be educate him.

    When 9/11 happened he Arabs danced in the streets. They didn’t represent Islam? When the Afgan President was asked about fighting terror he said he would support his Islamic brethren. Mr. Brennan and the politicians would support the so called moderate muslims who lie all the time that Islam is about only peace. The Islamic world believes the rubbish and lies churned out by mullahs, clerics, scholars etc. They are excited that they are in the last days of the world and these things were predicted in Koran.(This was copied from Bible) They will be more than happy to use Mr. Brennan for their cause and the cause of Jihad and Sharia. The entire muslim world believes the world will be converted to Islam. They also believe Koran to be super science.

    People in the fools paradise believe that they are heroes and that they are also gods.Little does he realize that he is worthy to be killed as a kafir and that his moslem friends are promised 72 virgins etc if they are faithful to the religion that promotes hatred and dominance over all of God’s creation.

    He has no iota of idea that Islam’s craftiness and lies are always for political advancement.. They tell lies to convert people including doctoring audio and video tapes.Therefore a deceptive moslem is having the best of the worlds. He has people like Mr .Brennan on his side. He is able keep the moslem flock together cheering every “heroics” all he way and he is able to convert the stupid and gullible to Islam.

    What a tragedy!!!!

  21. Lloyd Miller says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 7:17 am

    Can you imagine what filth a man must be to CONVERT to ISLAM based on the example of SAUDI ARABIA? Brennan converted to Islam while on duty in Saudi Arabia! I can only hope that his conversion was fake for the purposes of infiltration!

  22. jewdog says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Why didn’t we think of that when Hitler came to power: Don’t call Hitler German because that would insult the German people. And Tojo wasn’t Japanese. I never knew that social delicacy was such a powerful weapon. But think about it. Refusing to place terrible people alongside our idealized vision of a group is meant as a compliment to those groups and shows that we really like them. Or does it show that we are arrogant and think that we know more than the members of those groups do, and that we talk nonsense? If that is the case, than these statements will be met with contempt and ridicule and will accomplish nothing.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:23 am

      Well Jewdog, Hitler WAS Austrian!

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:27 am

      Jewdog,

      You are so right. Think of Al Baghdadi and how he disagree with this Brennan, either a fool, or a traitor.

      Al Baghdadi studiied “islam” for 8 years, and he understand Arab.

      Who shall we believe? Our attacker, Baghdadi, or our “defender” Brennan???

      • jewdog says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 10:21 am

        While I wouldn’t want to join the same country club as Al Baghdadi, I would not impugn his knowledge of Islam.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 15, 2015 at 10:16 am

      //”Refusing to place terrible people alongside our idealized vision of a group is meant as a compliment to those groups and shows that we really like them. Or does it show that we are arrogant and think that we know more than the members of those groups do, and that we talk nonsense?”//

      It is my opinion that most politicians and also ordinary people opine this, in a spirit of …. Innocent until proven guilty”, fair judgement with the same standards for all, so also for our self and our own (Westerners seem far too self-critical nowadays, something Muslims are far, far less),

      and yes, polite listening to and belief of what Muslims tell them, out of a often genuine attempt to be kind and understanding and forgiving toward them. Remember nowadays Westerners and Muslims mingle a lot, where they live, work, walk, shop.

  23. William says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 8:00 am

    If Mr. Brennan is warning us not to give Islamic legitimacy to ISIS, should we heed his warning because he is an authority of the religion? And if he is basing his warning on some authority, what is the basis, tradition or scripture? And shouldn’t he be referring to them?

    • mortimer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 10:42 am

      Ok. This is easier to resolve than it looks.

      We need to ask Muslims two questions:

      1) Are Sharia law punishments ‘barbaric’?
      2) Is ISIS ‘barbaric’?

      Most Muslim heads will explode after the second question.

  24. Yona says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 8:04 am

    ISIS is not the real threat on our life, on the world,
    On Freedom and democracy, Sharia law is the real threat. And Sharia Law is Islam!
    Sharia Law
    1- Jihad, defined as “to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion,” is the duty of every Muslim and Muslim head of state (Caliph). Muslim Caliphs who refuse jihad are in violation of Sharia and unfit to rule.
    2- A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power meaning through force.
    3- A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking and in some cases of rape.
    4- A percentage of Zakat (charity money) must go towards jihad.
    5- It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
    6- A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave and a male.
    7- The Muslim public must remove the Caliph if he rejects Islam.
    8- A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
    9- A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of: 1) an apostate 2) an adulterer 3) a highway robber. Vigilante street justice and honor killing is acceptable.
    10- A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim, but will get it for killing a Muslim.
    11- Sharia never abolished slavery, sexual slavery and highly regulates it. A master will not be punished for killing his slave.
    12- Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging even for crimes of sin such as adultery.
    13- Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims under the law. They must comply to Islamic law if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission. A non-Muslim is no longer protected if he leads a Muslim away from Islam.
    14- It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims. But Muslims can curse non-Muslims.
    15- A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
    16- Banks must be Sharia compliant and interest is not allowed.
    17- No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs, such as street sweepers or bathhouse attendants. Women in low level jobs such as professional funeral mourners cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
    18- A non-Muslim cannot rule — even over a non-Muslim minority.
    19- Homosexuality is punishable by death.
    20- There is no age limit for marriage of girls. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and can be consummated at age 8 or 9.
    21- Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her, gives him permission to beat her and keep her from leaving the home.
    22- Divorce is only in the hands of the husband and is as easy as saying: “I divorce you” and becomes effective even if the husband did not intend it.
    23- There is no community property between husband and wife and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
    24- A woman inherits half what a man inherits.
    25- A man has the right to have up to 4 wives and none of them have a right to divorce him — even if he is polygamous.
    26- The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
    27- A man is allowed to have sex with slave women and women captured in battle, and if the enslaved woman is married her marriage is annulled.
    28- The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.
    29- A woman loses custody if she remarries.
    30- To prove rape, a woman must have 4 male witnesses. If victimized Woman fails to provide with witnesses, she is lashed in Public. No scientific evidences are supported by Shariah in such Cases like “DNA Teasting.”

    According to the Sharia law:
    • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah – i.e., be Halal.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    • The list goes on.

    ISIS is not the real threat on our life, on the world,
    On Freedom and democracy, Sharia law is the real threat.

  25. Bezelel says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:04 am

    They are in fact “islamic psychopathic thugs”. Beat around the bush and insult everyones intelligence if he wants to. That will not change the facts. Water is wet and isis is islamic and psychopathic.

  26. marblenecltr says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:14 am

    George W. Bush, son of former CIA Director, told us that Islam is a religion of peace.

  27. Khagaraj Sommu says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:17 am

    Bureaucrat Brennan is just dutifully expressing the flat earth view of his masters on Islamist terrorism.He cannot differ and keep his job whatever he does in practice in violation of his expressed view.

  28. Randall says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:54 am

    What makes Brennan, Holder, Obama, et.al., authoritative on whether or not IS is Islamic, especially when there are a vast number of Muslims who say that they are? Brennan and Obama, especially, know that IS is indeed purely Islamic. They choose to flatly lie about it for political, and perhaps religious, reasons.

    • annie says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      I have the perfect idea! Why not say they are psychopathic thugs AND Islamic extremists? Would that do?

    • Bettina says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:27 pm

      I haven’t heard of “vast numbers of muslims” saying that IS is Islamic, Randall. And if any muslim says so, it’s purely out of fear of cruel retribution.
      Our Western politicians are lying about the connection to islam because they’re deathly afraid that if our masses know this, they will commit wholesale terror and murder upon the muslims. This is why they feel the need to lie.

      • Darrell says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 4:54 pm

        Not so clever, Left-wing apologists of Islamic terror.

      • James Foard says

        Mar 15, 2015 at 1:04 pm

        You wouldn’t be Bettina Aptheker, by any chance, would you?

        • Bettina says

          Mar 16, 2015 at 1:42 pm

          Bettina is only my handle. Also we don’t share last names. All under cover for obvious reasons.

    • catatthebeach says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 10:34 pm

      More logic; that the ‘innocent’ Muslim Community – as we are to believe – as well, desire and are depending on serious Leadership, to call this enemy for what it is, so that it may be destroyed. Only then, will they be safe, as one might imagine, they want to be. ..along with the rest of us. This ‘inversion’ of PC, used to silence, confounds all Reason. . .albeit, nothing new to that. Nonetheless, the damning MO’s of ‘political correctness’ become even more ludicrous by such twisted and desperate logic. Clearly, other motives involved here; per serving ISIS – the ‘Muslim Brotherhood’; and their Genocidal Agenda, so as to facilitate the ‘Caliphate’, Ad Grievious Nauseam. . .

      No question; John Brennan, like so many others in ‘serious’ places in Obama, Inc. hierarchy; is a stooge for Islam; and the ‘Brotherhood’. As is no question; Obama, himself. (Stooges here and more. . .that is.) Only thing, more confounding and devastating. . .is that OUR leadership has kept eyes wide shut. . .

  29. Jay Boo says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:13 am

    At first glance, It appears that CIA Director John Brennan is going all appeasement-soft on anti-jihad.

    But rest assured he is aggressive against the threat that jihad poses because he called them “psychopathic thugs”. Ouch!

    On the count of three everyone duck your heads in the sand and search for the magic in Magic Wand Land.

  30. Frank says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:31 am

    Saying that Islamic State is not Islamic, they’re just “psychopathic thugs,” is like saying a pack of rabid dogs are not dogs, they’re just “rabid!”

    In his book, “Nineteen Eighty-Four” George Orwell warned us about slight-of-semantics (like a magician’s slight of hand) “Doublespeak” — evidently CIA Director John Brennan either didn’t “get the memo,” or he did get it but thinks We The People didn’t get it and that we can be easily seduced by his rhetorical trick (if the latter, I sure hope he is wrong).

    In any event, I do think most Islamics are not “Islamic psychopathic thugs,” but clearly some are, and to pretend that “Islamic psychopathic thugs” are not Islamic but rather are simply “psychopathic slugs” is at best plumb childish and at worst perniciously sophomoric.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      People used to brush off President Mahmoud of Iran as “crazy” and “insane.” They did this in order to evade the truth, that he is a sane person doing exactly as his belief system and society guides him, right down to promising to nuke missile Israel off the map. Last week on Fox RINO I heard the Supreme Leader referred to as crazy. Easy to do, and who’s gonna argue with you, cuz deep in the dhimmi mind we know that all Moslems are crazy.

      • Bettina says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 9:02 pm

        Islamists are crazy, rendered so by their fundamentalist non-interpretation of their bloody scriptures. Your garden-variety muslims, on the other hand, were unfortunately born to the “faith” and cannot be painted with the same broad brush as islamists.
        Still, I refuse to deal with muslims in day-to-day living, because I’m paranoid of the whole damned lot. A true islamophobe I am…

        • James Foard says

          Mar 15, 2015 at 1:17 pm

          I apologize for my earlier reply to your post where I asked if you were Bettina Aptheker. You clearly are on the right side of this issue, and I misjudged you. I am very sorry,
          James Foard

    • Sodacrackers2 says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 5:43 pm

      They are all called to be psychopathic thugs. Anywhere the thugs go, they will demand strict allegiance to jihad for all Muslims. Islam is very bad for women and children, both boys and girls.

      • Cynthia in California says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 7:16 pm

        Absolutely. Word. True dat. etc.

      • Bettina says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 9:08 pm

        Soda, you’re going a little easy on those cannibals when you say “very bad for women and children,” aren’t you? Fox News (and with any luck, CNN) makes mention after mention of child beheadings and “marriage” to 9-yr-old girls, which of course means rape.
        We’re talking MONSTROUS, SADISTIC, and SAVAGE toward girls, boys and women — and nothing else! Descriptive prose, my friend.

  31. Steven Dietrich says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:33 am

    Mr. Brennan needs to do a little research before making claims about Islam. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    • M S case says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      It wouldn’t do any good for him to do research..He is going to follow what he follows andthat’s….well you know…….

  32. desidude2 says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:52 am

    I don’t trust any of these Obama officials they all have to tow the great Obama lie that terrorists have nothing to do with Islam.

  33. desidude2 says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:57 am

    I don’t trust any of these Obama officials , they all get their marching orders from Obama himself.

  34. Gbox says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    The question again, just like with Obama and others he appointed – is Brennan just stupid or is he hiding an agenda?

  35. Jeff says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    Yeah, if we just ignore Islam being Islam, it will go away.

  36. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    If they’re psychopathic thugs, then Brennan is a delusional jug. His jug is filled to the brim with fake history, misplaced hope, and aversion to tough decisions. The marines are called jarheads; the dhimmi elites should be called jughaids, like in the old cartoon strip.

  37. ApolloSpeaks says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    ISLAMO-PSYCHOPATHIC THUGS

    Mr. Brennen. Driven mad by the Koran and its mass murdering author.

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

  38. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    … John Brennan at an event Friday warned against ascribing “Islamic legitimacy”…

    Did he go on to explain exactly how Islam is legitimate, or was that assumed? Seems kinda critical to the whole matter.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 3:36 pm

      Of course it’s assumed. That’s the main assumption of the PC MC paradigm: Islam itself is benign (if not positively beneficent), and any problems and/or pathologies we may notice radiating out from its nebula must reflect some extraneous “hijacking” or “twisting” of Islam. This is the great Given of our time, and it has a far broader and deeper structure of justification embedded in our culture than many in the Counter-Jihad seem willing, or capable, of appreciating.

      I.e., the Counter-Jihad, from what I can tell, is ill-equipped to analyze adequately the Problem2 of the Problem1 (where the second problem is the West’s mainstream myopia to the first problem, Islam) — leading to a third problem, the Problem3 of the Problem2 of the Problem1:

      The problem: the problem of the problem, the problem of the problem of the problem—and the problem of the problem of the problem of the problem.

      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2009/01/problem-of-problem-problem-of-problem.html

    • Bettina says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      Very fine point, APF! Didn’t think about it that way… keep posting!

  39. Charlie Griffith says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    The commenters here have vented enough, and it won’t accomplish anything.
    We’re in a Sisyphean struggle with our august Congress who need a stout 2X4 against the side of their collected political blockheadedness reminding them that the needs of our Nation come before their Tenure. [note cap. T.]
    The whole lot of ’em need to be recalled and or impeached.
    What we really need to do is to lobby our Congressmen and Senators on this very point.
    Their addresses are available on the Internet. You will not get personal responses. You will get canned messages saying something like “we value our constituents’ opinions”. But, do it anyway.
    We elected these guys, we should be able to un-elect them.
    They should be reminded how they got to their airy aeries. [pun alert]

    • particolor says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 6:03 pm

      Don’t confuse their Airy Asses with their Airy Utterings !! 🙂

  40. TH says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    Don’t the words “thug” and “assasin” have their origin in Islam?

    • Cynthia in California says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      Not both of them.

      “Thug” comes from a small, destructive practice in *one* small sect of Hinduism formerly active in northern India among worshipers of Kali. Those worshipers robbed and assassinated, then presented the bodies of their victimes to Kali in her temple.

      “Assassin” does derive originally from Arabic. My (printed) dictionary says: “[French, from Medieval Latin assassinus, from Arabic hassasin, pl. of hassas, hashish user, from hasis, hashish….]” Unfortunately, I can’t provide the diacritical marks for the Latin or Arabic words. The American Heritage Dictionary, 4th Edition, continues:

      “At first glance, one would be hard-pressed to find a link between pleasure and the acts of assassinsl Such was not the case, however, with those who gave us the word ‘asassin.’ They were members of a secret Islamic order originating in the 11th century who gelieved it was a religious duty to harass and murder their enemies. The most important members of the order were those who acdtually did the killing. Having been promised paradise in return for dying in action, the killers, it is said, were made to yearn for paradise by being given a life of pleasure that included the use of hashish….”

      And the Order was led by the Old Man of the Mountains, a formal title (according to Crusader sources; this term does not appear in Arabic-language sources, according to Albert Hourani, A History of the Arabic Peoples, p. 96). The Mongols destroyed the castles of the Assassins in the late 1200s in the same push wherein they destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad.

      So: “thug” no, “assassin” yes.

  41. Steaming Pile says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    Don’t call Muslims “Muslims”.
    Oh, kay.

  42. David says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    If they’re psychopathic thugs then the Islamic culture and ideology sure does seem to produce a lot of them. That’s no coincidence. Nazism produced a lot of psychopathic thugs too. This isn’t rocket science. Time to call a spade a spade and let the chips fall where they may. (Think I may have mixed my metaphors there but I’m sure you get the point).

    • Bettina says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      I’ve read that most muslim children grow up in great fear of family retribution for wanting to think on their own, and that’s a chief reason for becoming abusers when they grow up. Their old fear turns into envy, jealousy and anger toward those still pure after birth. So they feel compelled by such honorable feelings to terrorize their kids, kill their creativity and independent thinking, and even murder them — in their native hellholes as well as in the West.
      And the cycle repeats itself ad infinitum.
      Do you agree with this assessment?

      • particolor says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 9:31 pm

        Muslims are Degusting Filth ! 🙁
        If they had a Brain they would be REALLY Dangerous !!

  43. Smart Guy says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    No ! Thug comes from Hinduism, the second cast of Hinduism is the military cast know as the Thugee. cast.

  44. Rich says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    This muslim needs to read his Koran

  45. Carol G says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    John Brennan converted to Islam while working in Saudi Arabia on behalf of the United States. This is the same John Brennan who refers to Jerusalem as “al Quds” and stated that the Muslim Brotherhood is “largely secular” and that “Jihad is a legitimate tenet of Islam” and the same John Brennan who called for a stop to “Iran bashing”.

    • Bettina says

      Mar 15, 2015 at 12:19 am

      What?! Where did you get that from, Carol? I can’t believe this guy could spew out all that disgusting crud! Do you have a link??

  46. More Ham Ed says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    Oh, we wouldn’t want to do a “disservice” to Islam now would we since Islam needs more PR, whitewashing, help, coverups, excuses, facade, apologetics, and outright lying than any other entity on the face of the Earth.

    • particolor says

      Mar 15, 2015 at 2:32 am

      Islam likes Country’s with Benefits !! 🙂 And Woe Betides You if You don’t give enough !! 🙁

  47. GWS says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    As if Brenan knows what Islam is! What a joke! Endogen said “Islam is Islam”. Admiral Lyons said, “It’s a political system masquerading as a religion” and he’s dead on! The moderates are simply nice folk who are scared to death to say a peep, just as they have been doing for 1400 years!

  48. Prinz Eugen says

    Mar 15, 2015 at 6:41 pm

    “Al Quds” Brennan may not necessarily be stupid, but he is a lying, conniving US-Hater and a advocate of the koranic sharia crusaders He, his khalifa Barry and mullah Holder plus imam Kerry
    must lie for they are all in cahoots with the caliphate crusaders. If Barry is successful in destroying Israel, he is clearly nearly completed his vile “transformation” of the hated USA. So much evil destruction and treason from one community disorganizer!

    The GOP should have defended and heeded Sen. McCarthy (who was proven CORRECt), instead
    they caved to the Dems (now the DNC is officially the Hate-Amerika Coalition!

    Where is the congress?

    When will congress come out of its stupor?

    When will congress cease cowering at the feet of the wanna-be sultan?

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