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DHS Secretary: Reading Quran reminds me of quintessential American values

Mar 24, 2015 11:08 am By Robert Spencer

DHS secretary Jeh Johnson says reading of Quran reminds him of quintessential American values #mpacempowers pic.twitter.com/fDGLYa26m5

— Nasreen Hosein (@NasreenHosein) March 18, 2015

Yeah, you know — quintessential American values like…slaying infidels wherever you find them:

2:191-193: “And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

…and wife-beating:

4:34: “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”

…and killing those who leave Islam:

4:89: “They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

…and crucifying or amputating the hands and feet of those who “hasten about the earth to do corruption”:

5:33: “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

…and amputating the hands of thieves:

5:38: “And the thief, male and female: cut off the hands of both, as a recompense for what they have earned, and a punishment exemplary from Allah; Allah is All-mighty, All-wise.”

…and beheading the unbelievers:

8:12: “When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!'”

…and fighting people until they submit to your religion:

8:39: “Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”

…and striking terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah:

8:60: “Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”

…and killing idolaters:

9:5: “Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

…and subjugating Jews and Christians (the People of the Book):

9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

…and killing and being killed for Allah:

9:111: “Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”

…and being harsh to unbelievers:

9:123: “O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

…and beheading unbelievers:

47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

What could be more American?

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:10 am

    Our imam-in-chief has brain washed all the underlings!!

    • Jaladhi says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 11:14 am

      “Quran reading reminds of quint essential American values” – yeah right, beheading, wife-beating, raping, pedophilia, etc, etc, are “quint essential American values”?? What planet is this guy from???

      • Jan Aage Jeppersen says

        Mar 24, 2015 at 11:28 am

        Evidently he worships the moon god and live on the Moon. 😉

        • sheik yermami says

          Mar 24, 2015 at 1:26 pm

          Another closet Muslim. Why don’t they come out with it and say it loud?

  2. Lord Wrath says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:26 am

    Let’s be honest… Blame this one on George Bush… He’s the brainless anal sphincter who started the whole “Homeland Security” debacle!!! And didn’t he get up on stage in front of the whole world and state, “Islam is a religion of peace.” ??? “Mission Accomplished” George!!!

    • Gbox says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      Yes, Lord Wrath, let’s be honest, but also accurate. Bush’s misunderstanding of the nature of Islamism pales into insignificance compared to Obama’s deliberate support of the Muslim Brotherhood, his outreach not only to the Muslim world but to the Islamists among them, and of course many are now embedded in most national security agencies. Then we have under his watch the hiring of the MB-connected Huma Abedin in the State Department, and his ongoing denial of the connection of Islam to terrorism. He is now seen in the Middle East as a supporter of terrorism because of his MB support, especially of Morsi.

  3. Dave J says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Anyone who says that is either completely self-deluded, lying, or has had their brain taken over by an alien parasite called Islamism.

    I seriously wonder if our “leaders” have been subtly threatened that they must toe the Muslim line or very bad things will happen. Why else would they praise this sick ideology?

    The Quran is the evil opposite of everything America used to stand for. This guy is in charge of “homeland security”? If so, we’re done.

  4. American says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 am

    It just shows how deeply in trouble we really are. Is it even recoverable at this point?

    • Georg says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm

      The Obama administration sends no one to the Charlie Hebdo march and Jeh Johnson proclaims this… Yes, American values appear very important to them.

  5. JeffS says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:39 am

    Breathtakingly stupid.

    • Georg says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 1:09 pm

      Yes, this guy seems particularly dopey. When he was blathering about being in “listening mode” and talking about Islam being practiced by 1.5 billion people and every other damned thing in the same breath it was almost unbelievable. I think moldable brown guy was/is his usefullness to the administration. It’s so insulting to the vast majority of Americans… And non-Americans, for that matter.

  6. RG says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:47 am

    @Lord Wrath.
    Wooo…not so fast there…GW was handed a bunch of rotten apples! His objective was to try ANYTHING to assuage these blood-thirsty jihadists. I’m sure he would do some things over if he could – like calling Islam a “religion of peace”. Truth be told, GW will always bear the “blame” for starting the war against Iraq, even though he had the entire backing of Congress, as well as all of our European allies at the time! And if you honestly believe that Saddam Hussein didn’t have WMD (when he adamantly refused to allow the UN inspectors to access certain military compounds with his country) then you’re not the brightest bulb in the bunch. Your accusations against George Bush are old and have never been warranted. Just consider how Al Gore would have handled 9/11!!! – NOT!!!

    • cronk says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 pm

      Please

      Bush was a train wreck for this country, him and Cheney attacked a country that was no threat to us, never attacked us. Killed and maimed a lot of our men for nothing over fake WMD lies generated by clowns in the Pentagon.

      Unlike Saudi Arabia that funds Islamic radicalism through out the world and the majority of 9/11 attackers were Saudi nationals. Bush never had the nerve to confront them at all or put a ban on Muzzies coming from radical Islamic states.

      What does he do domestically? Keep the borders open, fights the border fence tooth and nail and tries to force amnesty at the last minute until a rebellion in the House stops junior flat.

  7. syzygy says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:47 am

    Here is more
    http://www.dhs.gov/blog/2015/03/23/engaging-communities-and-empowering-voices-secretary-johnson-receives-award-mpac

  8. cs says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:48 am

    That does it, why this people has to crawl to those goat abusers and camel breeders? Are they mad? Do they condone to sex slaves?
    Serious WTF.

  9. G-man says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:52 am

    We have been infiltrated

  10. Wellington says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 11:57 am

    This continued doubling down by Western elites has reached absurd levels. Good though in a way because more and more “ordinary” people are quite clearly seeing the absurdity.

  11. JamesonRocks says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Just when I thought things couldn’t get any crazier… Unbelievable…

  12. Jay Boo says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    One of the ladies pictured in the photo with one finger in the air in the adjacent article at JW about
    (“Wives of slain jihadists from Australia beg for donations to the Islamic State”) needs to give DHS secretary Jeh Johnson an Islamic proctology exam to help him better understand Islam.

  13. Edward says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Gee whiz, have the Muslims devised a way to alter the non-believers brains?

    Have the Islamic religion perfected mental telepathy to win (seduce) friends and enemies for their advantages? They kill the ones when mental telepathy doesn’t work on them 🙁

    But lets wait, check out if the DHS chief shows surgical incision scars to see if he has a remote control implant in his brains to. The Muslim’s proxy in the oval office bears some for something else; I hope! (do I hear some crickets)

  14. Timothius says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    I think that’s an attempt to create an official state religion which is unconstitutional and against the law. Watch Obama closely we’re in great peril right now.

  15. gravenimage says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    DHS Secretary: Reading Quran reminds me of quintessential American values
    ………………………….

    My God, what a fool. He may be lying outright, of course, but I have also noted the phenomenon where some people reading old texts just go “blah blah blah blah” to themselves after a point, then render whatever view is conventionally expected.

    I’ve never really understood this—but I’ve seen it enough times, especially while at university, to know that this is common.

    It is especially odd in the case of the baleful Qur’an, which in main is anything but arcane, and is quite clear in its savagery.

    It is also possible, per the above, that Johnson just stopped reading after the first couple of pager, and can’t really be said to have read it at all.

    In fact, he may not even be claiming that he has read the Qur’an at all. The MPAC (Muslim Public Affairs Council) opened with a Qur’an reading, and he might have just been referring to that.

    Notice that he didn’t cite any specific Qur’anic verses, or even any specific American value

    Why was Jeh Johnson speaking at MPAC, anyway? They were “honoring” this dhimmi tool.

    And this isn’t the first sickening thing the witless Jeh Johnson has said about Islam—he has said we are fighting ISIL, and not “Islamic extremism”, and he also refuses to use the term “radical Islam”. Even these wishy-washy terms come to close to the truth. As for the stupidity about ISIL, he doesn’t say why it is that Al Qaida and the Taliban and hundreds of other outfits have just the same aims and use the same tactics. What could the *possibly* have in common? sarc/off

    He has also said that the administration must “give voice to the plight of Muslims” *living here in the United States*. He doesn’t see America as a land of opportunity for Muslims fleeing Islamic sh*t holes, but as a place that oppresses Muslims.

    In that case, why are they coming here in increasing numbers?

    And if this is how Johnson sees the United States, why is he nattering on about “American values” anyway?

    And, finally, who is Nasreen Hosein? She is at the Center for Democracy and Technology and the National Coalition Against Censorship.

    The names of these groups sound plausibly decent, and Hosein herself exhibits a breezy, almost new agey non-threatening persona.

    But she seems to spend her time pushing for more Infidel-funded “prayer spaces” for Muslims, claiming that surveillance of suspected Jihadists is “antithetical to American values”, and lauding the nasty Keith Ellison for saying that Muslim communities should “shape the national conversation” on CVE (countering violent extremism).

    In other words, she is your typical smarmy Taqiyya artist, working to spread Muslim supremacism and to prevent our defending ourselves against Jihad.

    No wonder she is so happy to see Jeh Johnson’s dhimmi groveling…

  16. pongidae rex says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Magical thinking in the service of a suicidal political ideology will destroy Western Civilization. At any other time in US history, these people would be called out as Traitors.

  17. John Alexander says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    In view of Obama’s evident desire to give the world’s no.1 sponsor of terror the bomb one blogger asks:

    “What will we do when Muslim terrorists detonate a nuclear bomb on a western city?”

    Sad answer at:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/03/what-will-we-do.html

  18. Jeff says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    This man should be dismissed from his post effective immediately. Oh, Obama told him to say this. Never mind.

  19. mariam rove says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    Hashish does wonders for the brain!! M

  20. Westman says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    Does Mr. Johnson understand that Islam is putting itself, in authority, above the US government? There is no “give unto Caesar” in Islam.

    I didn’t realize that sedition was an American value !

  21. vlparker says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    Half the world is populated by idiots.

    • mariam rove says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      And all of our politicians are dhimmis. m

  22. Bezelel says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    Jeh Johnson would eat sh!t and swear it tastes like ice cream if obola told him to. obamazombies from hell.

  23. somehistory says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    When he was first appointed, and his face was shown in the news, islam’s death showed in his eyes, so this is no surprise.
    The eyes are the window of the soul of a person. “If the eye is simple, the body will be bright.(Matthew 6:22-23; Luke 22:34).”
    The beast of islam is death…death to those who worship it and they have a wish for death on all who refuse to worship it. The eyes cannot be bright with love and life when the beast of islam is the object of worship.
    “Nothing hidden stays hidden, and nothing secret that will not be revealed (Matthew 10:26; Luke 8:17)”

  24. St. Michael Defend Us says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    There is something seriously wrong in Washington, D.C. I just did a quick on line search for some information. Over 8% of the population are gay. Over 10% of the population practice Islam. Washington, D.C. has the second highest muslim population in the country, and a quick search of “Washington D.C. mosques” produced 22 results. Only about 55% of the Washington D.C. population identifies as Christian or Jewish.
    I did not include in my search the more affluent suburbs, only the city, but, I do not feel the demographics mirror the country at large.

    • mariam rove says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 3:05 pm

      . Over 8% of the population are gay……

      So being gay is like being a Muslim?m

      • St. Michael Defend Us says

        Mar 24, 2015 at 5:51 pm

        No, of course not. But, with populations of special interest groups which are larger than in the population as a whole, politicians working in DC (no matter from which party) may be misled as to the views and concerns of the country as a whole.

  25. Edward says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    The DHS Director compares the quintessential American values with the Muslim’s motives for sovereign gains, but he ignores what great pains their victims endure; who have no role in the self inflicted problems that causes the perpetrators irrational mindsets. This is called cleansing of unwanted humans that burden them. Eliminating them under the guise of their god’s authority.

  26. Edward says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    The Muslim world calls for a Fatwa when they want unified changes.

    We should call for a unified ecumenical prayerful Novena!

    To change the minds of irrational people.

    God helps us from this metastasizing dilemma!

    • Edward says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      FYI, Novena’s have proven a powerful deterrent of many intended aggressions. Mostly from the Muslim’s world of the past.

      Secularization of the world has eliminated the need of God’s Divine Providence it seems.

      Prayers do manifests in God’s Providence. George Washington depended on it.
      That’s why the Liberals want to squash George Washington’s crossing of the Delaware river account. Hiding the TRUTH, huh!

  27. Gary Fouse says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    No wonder DHS just hired Harris Tarin away from MPAC as a sr adviser.

    Jeh Johnson has been smoking his socks.

  28. Ren says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    “…reading of Quran reminds him of quintessential American values”

    Nor one does not understand American values, nor one has not read the Quran!

  29. No Fear says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    This is my favourite post yet from Robert. Very good.

  30. Mohamed says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    another muslim killed because of spreading hatred against Muslims- http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/11/another-muslim-is-killed-in-america-anyone-care.html

    • Wellington says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 5:49 pm

      First of all, anyone in America harming a Muslim simply because they are a Muslim should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But, second, crimes against Muslims by non-Muslims worldwide pale in comparison, profoundly pale in comparison, to crimes committed by Muslims against non-Muslims. One knows this or should know it. Anyone who doesn’t, and I rather doubt you grasp this, is quite guilty of the fallacy of tu quoque reasoning.

      Know this well: Islam is like no other religion on earth. It is the only religion that calls for war to be made upon the unbeliever. The character of its founder is highly disturbing, contra the character of any other founder of a major religion or ethical system. Its holy book is desultory, boring, repetitive, full of hate and, unlike other religious works, ALWAYS prescriptive.

      Something else: Anyone harming a Muslim because they are a Muslim could simply not do so while accurately acting in the name of another religion. Only Islam allows its believers to harm non-believers (or apostates or Muslims deemed not Muslim enough) in this world. Done here.

    • Westman says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 7:00 pm

      Yes, we care. There are some wonderful Muslims living in America who wish they could leave the violent theology behind or don’t even realize the proscriptions in the Qur’an and particularly the Hadiths. I’ve worked with a number of them. The majority of professionals in the US are not regular Mosque attenders and are more like typical Christians – not radical.

      The Islamic Theology calls for political dominance over the entire world and is an objective given as responsibilty for all believers. Whether in a faction that wants Sharia or not, that objective is the same.

      This is a multicultural society in which are all welcome to be participating Americans, or participating citizens in whatever democratic country of which you live or join. However if your intent is shunning non- believers, creating hostile neighborhoods, sedition, or treating your wives as inferiors, then don’t expect a warm welcome because those values weaken and degrade a democratic country.

      If an American physically persecutes or makes threats against a particular Muslim he should be held accountable. But don’t get some liberal European notion that we are going to curtail freedom of speech for some whiners or CAIR. It won’t happen here – if you want respect keep the Jihadists in your Mosques under control and it will be well earned.

    • More Ham Ed says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 pm

      A wolf in sheep’s clothing. A raging monster that whines. Can’t get any more deceptive than that.

      • M S case says

        Mar 26, 2015 at 6:43 pm

        This statement says it all………….Read it somewhere…… If the sword is against the neck of the so called moderate muslim and given the choice of continued life in islam or death then the one whose neck the sword is against will become what the sword bearer is. I’m not sure that Christians in the mid east today are given any chance especially when a church is blown up with members inside and no notification whatsoever. Murdereers Just plain murderers

    • Kilfincelt says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 11:51 pm

      All hate crimes are terrible; however, according to federal statistics, hate crimes against Muslims in the U.S. are no greater in number than those against blacks and are less than half that against Jews. See:http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2014/12/new-fbi-hate-crime-stats-another-blow-to-islamist. Kind of puts a lie to the Muslim claim that hates crimes against Muslims are on the increase since they aren’t.

      Several years ago, there were some Occupy Wall Street rallies in Chicago. During those rallies, some people started making very anti-semitic comments. At the last rally that was covered on TV news, a disgusting, little Muslim man-he may have been an Imam-was shown speaking to the crowd. He was encouraging Jew hatred.

      Furthermore, I have read the Qur’an. Anyone who thinks that the principles it espouses are compatible with our American values is either nuts, on drugs, really stupid or lying. Furthermore, if hate speech is ever outlawed, every Qur’an in this country will have to be destroyed.

      • Anna says

        Mar 25, 2015 at 12:00 pm

        Not to forget statistics show black on black crime higher than white on black, oh and black on white also higher. But these stastics although are out there but stifled.

        And :
        Of course Obama said the attack on a kosher deli in Paris was ” random, this was not a rabid Jew-hating terrorist muslim killing Jews just random by a “normal ” maniac as happens er ….sometimes ?Has nothing to do with islam nor politics, nor virgins in a heavenly brothel, nor well anything nor with victims being Jews.
        That was all purely coincidental. The muslim non- islamic terrorist might not have known it was a Jewish place ?
        See, now we are all assured. The only” hate crimes” are against innocent peaceful nice moderate victimised muslims, (those who FLED tyrannical muslim lands for freedom )
        Who are you kiddjng mr president ?

    • Anna says

      Mar 25, 2015 at 4:52 am

      @ ” Mohammad”
      That article states there is no proof he was killed for being a muslim, just that muslims believe that and lefties of course. Let us await outcome of investigation ?
      If a hate crime then this is scandalous and perp will be severely punished as all murderers should be. Agreed ?

      Speculation at the moment. Like the muslim woman found dead with an ” islamophobic” note next to her body.
      Lefties and Muslims went hysterical. Turned out her murderer was her muslim husband . The silence in most media was deafening. Now there is a blow. But apologise ? never, what the left ? Or Muslims ? They have seemingly no conscience

      What we DO have proof of is EVIL satanic mass slaughter of Christians, Kurds and Azedi’s in the ME by MUSLIMS misunderstanding Islam of course, but being killed for being infidels. it is happening and few seem even bothered !!!
      Do you condem Christians being murdered for being Christians ” Mohammad” ?

      • Anna says

        Mar 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm

        Hey Mohammad, where are you ? I asked a simple question ? Here, we in The West exoect manners you know. Come on, just to show us how ” integrated” you are ?
        Well, what a surprise. A muslim acting like a muslim. Throws something at us and disappears .( I should not feed the trolls.Now repeat this one hundred times )
        See I am just too Western. Keep hoping for a reaction, for some form of reasonable conversation with a ” superior” member of our human race.
        I even still hope for that with those of similar mentality, the ” superior” left !

        So superior !! So sanctimoniously moral and witty and clever. They all throw out nonsense in their superiority of course, and..hey presto they can do magic…they disappear !!

    • citycat says

      Mar 26, 2015 at 2:04 am

      Do you know any pages of holy wisdom from the Koran
      I’ve not seen any so far quoted
      I wonder what jeh read there then?

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 31, 2015 at 4:20 pm

      Mohamed wrote:

      another muslim killed because of spreading hatred against Muslims-
      ……………………………….

      Even the Daily Beast notes that “there’s no specific evidence yet that he was murdered because he was Muslim”—but that doesn’t stop Mohamed from screaming ‘Islamophobia’.

      Jihad Watch has *never* countenanced violence, let alone advocated it. Would that that were true of Mohamed’s own vicious coreligionists.

  31. Mirren10 says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    ”DHS Secretary: Reading Quran reminds me of quintessential American values”

    When I read statements like this, I no longer believe that such people are simply naïve, or just daft kumbyaa wankers.

    In order to believe the above, one must either be a total, illiterate moron, or deliberately be engaged in the game of trying to fool every person on the planet.

    It’s quite horrifically amazing, really.

    What we have here, is a **government official** , actually and openly **lying** about what is in the koran. Now, what is utterly gobsmacking about this, is, not just that he would openly **lie** about this, but that he actually believes the majority of ordinary people will **believe his lies**.

    So, these people have such an utter contempt for the intelligence of normal people they feel they can state such complete and comprehensive and barefaced lies about what is the content of the koran.

    The fact that people can actually read the koran apparently means nothing, because they believe that most people won’t bother to actually read it, which is unfortunately only too true.

    This disgusting screed is an encapsulation of how much contempt the ‘powers that be’ have for the rest of us, and how much they believe we will just swallow their evil crap.

    I hope, with all my heart, they are **wrong**.

    • voegelinian says

      Mar 24, 2015 at 10:34 pm

      I think Mirren may be leaping to a conclusion that, while understandable, is not necessarily warranted. Thus:

      “When I read statements like this, I no longer believe that such people are simply naïve, or just daft kumbyaa wankers.

      “In order to believe the above, one must either be a total, illiterate moron, or deliberately be engaged in the game of trying to fool every person on the planet.”

      It’s understandable for us, we who have woken up to see the problem; but waking up about the problem of Islam in the context of being a late 20th (and for the younger whippersnappers, early 21st) century Westerner is not merely a matter of receiving data + thinking about the data for a while, then  Jihad Watch Epiphany. As much as we feel that it should be that quick and easy, unfortunately the frustrating reality of it is that, most of the time, for most people, it’s not.

      Why isn’t it, most of the time, for most people? Because standing in the way of the reception of data and assimilation of data is a massive, complex psycho-cultural filter — the PC MC paradigm, which has become dominant and mainstream throughout the West over the past half century or so. It is a reigning fashion of thought, a worldview of sorts. When the typical Westerner receives incoming data about the problem of Islam, that data is not just sailing into an open mind and finding the lovely clean-swept white marble floors of a Blank Slate awaiting its reception. No; the data is quickly sucked into the complex mechanism of an already extant mental & emotional process (in layman’s terms, “thinking & feeling”).

      And according to that mechanism, the PC MC paradigm,

      1) Muslims are reflexively (albeit semi-consciously) categorized as a global, diverse multitude of Ethnic People

      2) As such, any substantive criticism of Muslims and their culture immediately pushes, for the Westerner, a whole array of hot buttons surrounding our irrationally excessive self-criticism of the West and White Guilt (this, combined with the usual litany of “respect for diversity” of the non-Western “Other”).

      Now, when it comes specifically to an otherwise relatively intelligent Westerner like the head of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, publicly expressing an obviously and monstrously inaccurate assessment of the Koran, we must not only consider the above-mentioned general factors, but also many more, since this is always, unfortunately, a complicated bundle of incoherencies at every turn. (Of course, it’s possible Johnson is lying and is therefore evil; but when other explanations can fit the phenomenon, we ought not go to the extreme conclusion.) In the cultural ambiance of PC MC, when the typical Westerner picks up a book like the Koran and starts wading through its dreary pages, certain thoughts are exerting themselves in the back of his mind, like “Oh, this overbearing and seemingly violent passage reminds me of the Old Testament…” Certain memes will be aroused to swim around in his semi-conscious mind, of the “fire-and-brimstone” preachers of Christianity, of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch-burnings, etc. The very same mental process by which the PC MC routinely blames the Christian (or Orthodox Jewish) “Fundies” in terms of their Old Testament, he uses to exculpate the Koran.

      Remember, the PC MC does not think coherently.

      Then, he imputes to his reading experience other vague notions and ideas, such as that “all religions have their literalists and their more relaxed practitioners who don’t take everything literally” – so whenever he comes across those horrid verses in the Koran, this vague notion in his head runs interference for what the data is pointing to: “Sure, this language in these verses seems rather drastic, but hey, most Muslims just wanna have a sandwich…”

      What I have touched on with the above only begins to lay out the full richness and complexity of the PC MC paradigm; but it should be sufficient to establish that there is a way to explain how it is that a relatively intelligent, relatively conscientious person — such as we reasonably suppose DHS Sec. Johnson is – can be so disastrously wrong about a major clump of data he has looked at.

      Furthermore, the dismaying fact that probably the majority of our fellow Westerners throughout the entire West think more or less like Johnson, tends to add more weight to the explanation that rejects either evil or brain damage.

      • Demsci says

        Mar 25, 2015 at 2:04 am

        Compliments and thanks for explaining PCMC-attitude, Voegelinian. It seems you have become more mild, understanding for, yes, a majority of citizens and the by them empowered politicians and journalists.

        I too believethat “we”, in the Democratic West, need watchdogs, security, “aware” people. Like you. Who try to PREVENT more violence, destruction, economic disarray etc.

        So I think people like you should be appreciated and not be thwarted, antagonized, but listened to and cooperated with.

        But I am not you. I hope to compliment, then complement you. Mine is a positive approach. but more modest of late, seeing how impractical it sounds to others what I want.

        When Western countries were still authoritarian, citizens demanded (more) freedom and democracy. Now that citizens have that in bigger, big enough measure of freedom and democracy,

        now SOME citizens, seeing the danger of totalitarians, especially totalitarian Muslims, can specialise in appreciating and enhancing, strengthening our societies, it’s values, goals and MIG (Most Important Guiding)-texts that have the potential of uniting people. Creating, in future, a “positive magnetic pole” against the “pole” of totalitarianism.

        In my scheme both “poles”, know what they are FOR, have MIG-texts. And they compete for the majority of Westerners who are so “neutral”. And dare I say it, even for a part of the Muslims, who may hedge their bets with the Democratic group, on grounds of “it being well nigh impossible to conquer the whole world and costly partial success has not enough merit”.

        I would call the citizens, that believe in, know all about and are committed to the full Democratic system: “Accountable Patriottic Democratic Citizens” or some interchangeable name. And “realistic Muslims” I call “Democratic Muslims”.

        I do know this sounds very farfetched NOW, but I submit that among us on JW. and elsewhere, there ARE, MUST BE, these committed democratic citizens.

        And I can name Aboutaleb and Zuhdi Jasser, Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Tarek Fatah, and more, as NOMINALLY “Democratic Muslims”, basing themselves on SOME interpretation of Quran-Sunnah.

        However small, these groups ARE in existence. And I for one hope both groups in future will grow. Perhaps under pressure of some kind of onslaught by totalitarian Muslims, which would then be both extremely detrimental but also triggering a good reaction.

      • Demsci says

        Mar 25, 2015 at 2:31 am

        And Voegelinian, now that you are so aware and have given an introduction of PC MC-thinking, might I be so bold to ask you if you know values, principles, philosophies that represent “proud democratic thinking”, “enlightenment” that someday serve as “Most Important Guidelines” in which true loyal democratic citizens can believe, can know by heart and can follow with all their heart?

        To counter the PC-MC-bullshit.

      • Mirren10 says

        Mar 25, 2015 at 4:47 pm

        voegelinian says:

        ”I think Mirren may be leaping to a conclusion that, while understandable, is not necessarily warranted”

        Well, voeg, I agree entirely with what you say about the PC/MC mindset.

        However, that wasn’t what I was fulminating against.

        This Jeh person, ( in passing, what kind of name *is* that – is it short for Jehosophat ?) said;

        ”Reading Quran reminds me of quintessential **American values** ” (my emphasis: Mirren).

        Now, one can be as PC/MC as one likes, but if one has any literacy, any comprehension abilities at all, then it is clear to the meanest intelligence that has actually read the foul screed, that there is **nothing** in the koran remotely analogous to American/Western values, such as liberty, freedom of speech and conscience, or equality for all before the law. See Robert’s quotes, above. **No** honest person can remotely claim this vile drivel has anything in common with **American** values.

        My comment stands. This Jeh person is either deliberately lying, or is a fool who has never actually read the damn thing.

        .

        • Wellington says

          Mar 25, 2015 at 9:06 pm

          Your comment, Mirren, does indeed stand very much on its own with no explication necessary about it by anyone, including by voegelinian, who, while quite astute, does belabor the point most terribly at times by his invocation and use of a kind of non-plain English which obfuscates at least as often as it at other times elucidates.

          Hope you and yours are doing well. I might also mention here that as bad as Cameron is in his continued abject apologias for Islam, he is superseded in this infamous category by the fool who presently occupies the Oval Office, the most recent evidence of this foolishness being his trading a deserter for five Gitmo terrorists.

          Goofy world, no? Stay safe my British friend. Perhaps better times are ahead. Won’t be though as long as Islam is still given a pass.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm

          Well, in the first comment Mirren wrote which I was responding to she made no mention of a further possible explanation, which now in her response to me she notes:

          “This Jeh person is either deliberately lying, or is a fool who has never actually read the damn thing. ”

          Previously, the only choice she was offering was in these terms:

          In order to believe the above, one must either be a total, illiterate moron, or deliberately be engaged in the game of trying to fool every person on the planet.

          So I was responding that there is a way for a reasonably intelligent, and reasonably decent person to read the Koran and still think they find American or Western “values” in it. Remember what Jihad Watch reported about conservative journalist Glenn Beck a few years ago, who said:

          “I have read the Koran and can tell you that I unequivocally that Islam is a religion of peace.”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/11/glenn-beck-i-have-read-the-koran-and-can-tell-you-that-i-unequivocally-believe-that-islam-is-a-relig

          What I was trying to say to Mirren involves what I have explained before as the phenomenon of Quantum Ignorance — or the paradoxical state of being a “learned fool”. If we don’t have this middle, paradoxical category, we are doomed to erect a Black/White taxonomy where every time someone defends Islam or the Koran, we say they are either evil or literally stupid — and since most of the people who do this are evidently not stupid, we have left ourselves no choice but to demonize hundreds of millions of Westerners.

          Being a busy politician, however, it is likely that he never really sat down to read the Koran, but had staffers read it for him and prepare a prospectus of bullet points; and then that staffer could have not really read it, but only gone online to Wikipedia and “Sparks notes” for some kind of boiled-down version (and one of his staffers could well be some Muslima fresh out of college named “Ayeesha”).

        • Mirren10 says

          Mar 26, 2015 at 6:34 pm

          ”Well, in the first comment Mirren wrote which I was responding to she made no mention of a further possible explanation, which now in her response to me she notes:

          “This Jeh person is either deliberately lying, or is a fool who has never actually read the damn thing. ”

          Previously, the only choice she was offering was in these terms:

          In order to believe the above, one must either be a total, illiterate moron, or deliberately be engaged in the game of trying to fool every person on the planet.”

          And what, exactly, voeg, do you consider to be the difference between; an illiterate moron and a fool, and between a liar and someone who is deliberately trying to fool others ?

          Seems precisely the same to me.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 31, 2015 at 4:34 pm

          Mirren, I have no doubt that in some cases this is indeed out-and-out lying.

          But I have also spoken to people who proudly say they have read the Qur’an and then appear genuinely surprised when I cite actual violent passages.

          I think many people read Qur’anic texts through an internal “politically correct” filter where nothing much registers, and they come away with a vague sense that it is ‘just like the Bible’.

          I have also found that many people—otherwise intelligent people, too, although this may not include Jeh Johnson himself—who appear to be incapable of close reading of any older text. Their eyes glaze over and the content washes over them in a sort of “blah blah blah”.

          I first ran into this phenomenon at university, especially in history courses—I couldn’t believe it at first, but it does not appear to be uncommon.

          Of course, such idiots should *not* be holding forth on the subject—but this is hardly uncommon, either.

          I still think bone-headed stupidity is more common—in the West, at least—than is deliberate evil.

      • Demsci says

        Mar 25, 2015 at 11:10 pm

        I am still forming my thoughts on this subject.

        When Jihad Watch shows us readers, democracy-freedom-loyalists beliefs, declarations and actions of Muslims we can be in agreement in being in opposition and contempt for that.

        But when Jihad Watch shows us the many examples of PCMC-majority, including the by them empowered politicians and journalists, beliefs, declarations and actions, then Robert, many posters heap scorn and derision on the PCMC-speakers-actors. So much that I keep wondering what their “status” in the eyes of democracy-freedom-loyalists should be?

        Now, I know this judgement is not about humans but about their expressed beliefs. But this goes for all groups; democracy-freedom-loyalists, Muslims and PCMC-exponents.

        Should the PCMC’s, or their beliefs and attitudes, on average be rated as low as the Muslims, or their beliefs and attitudes? If the democracy-freedom-loyalists ever come to the choice of whether or not the PCMC’s should be saved from the Muslims or not, what should the Democracy-freedom-loyalists choose?

        It does not seem consistent to me to bash both PCMC’s and Muslims in the same harshness, with no great distinction and then still, as matter of course, try to save ALL THE WEST and all it’s citizens AT ALL COSTS.

        More consistent it seems to me is to either only try to save and promote those who appreciate the West, Democracy and Freedom or to genuinely try to appreciate and excuse those PCMC’s much more than the Muslims. And I do of course mean by judging their beliefs, attitudes.

        • voegelinian says

          Mar 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm

          Well Demsci, the difference is whether someone is knowingly committing treason and knowingly trying to destroy our society (and in the process, knowingly (try to) kill us). There’s no evidence the millions of PC MCs are knowingly treasonous. But many in the Counter-Jihad with the simplistic framework of their Elitistics have left themselves no choice but to demonize this vast (albeit amorphous) swath of fellow Westerners.

          For more on Elitistics, see my two-part essay:

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2010/01/elitistics.html

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/12/elitistics-continued.html

          (And particularly note the curious paradox involved in what in part two I further call “soft Elitistics”.)

  32. ApolloSpeaks says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    YEAH, JEH

    And Mohammed was the George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison of Islam rolled into one great prophet of freedom.

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

  33. katherine says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    Anyone seeking quintessential American values should be looking up to Ted Cruz. Instead Americans are demonizing him for bringing back some good old Christian values – that which.was the character of the American heartland. Many are saying they don’t want Jesus forced down their throat without even realizing that these quintessential American values are actively being abandoned to adopt an Arabic form of perverted fascist culture.

    Since when was it American tradition to pray five times a day (with time off from work) ; attend mosque every Friday (failing which the non-attending ‘criminal’ would be arrested) ; treat all dogs as untouchable dirty pariahs (just like pigs) ; regard all women as inferior creatures and all others as slaves. And the only meat that’s edible are of those animals slaughtered in the most excruciating way possible.

  34. abad says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    Johnson’s a Democrat what did you expect?

  35. Fritz Kohlhaas says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    This scumbag, Jeh Johnson just gave me “ISLAMONAUSEA”!!!

  36. Dave J says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Did anyone ask him what exactly it was he read in the Quran that reminded him of American values? And did he skip over all the parts about murdering infidels?

    This is really getting spooky, like a Manchurian candidate has taken over the White House and many of the top level Government positions. Where is our new Paul Revere to warn us of an unfolding threat against the Republic?

  37. sidney penny says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    Robert,

    DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson did not read THAT part of the Quran!

    Super reply!

    Is there ANY quintessential American values in the Quran?

  38. Vox populi says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Elections will come, hopefully, and people will remeber….

  39. profitsbeard says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    One more liar who has never read any more of the Koran than three sanitized quotes on some flapdoodle website.

    “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” G. Orwell.

    Islam is a Death Cult. The Koran is its Mein Kampf.

  40. Shmooviyet says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    How often do you read the Koran, Jeh??

  41. David says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    There isn’t a decent human being in this administration!!

  42. jewdog says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    I think I’ve finally found something more hair-raising than reading the Koran, and that would be listening to some of our government officials, particularly the ones charged with our safety. If high government officials can talk this trash, then you have to wonder what they’re high on. Who knows, maybe DHS employees spend their days surfing porn web sites and inhaling nitrous oxide. Certainly, this guy’s stunning statements do not reassure us that our guardians have much of a grip on reality. But then, this is the Obama administration, where the Muslim Brotherhood is brotherly, terrorists are glorified juvenile delinquents, and the Islamic State was caused by the Israeli settlers and poor Muslim reading comprehension.

  43. Jay Boo says

    Mar 24, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    CHRIS CHRISTIE WATCH

    Recent news
    New Jersey’s Christie: Liberty comes from God not government
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jerseys-christie-liberty-god-government-29882761
    ——————–

    And then there was Sharia Law:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/chris-christie-slams-fearmongering-over-sharia-law-210648303.html

  44. kappunny says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 12:57 am

    These people must be secret Muslims or they must have received large amounts either to convert or to advance the cause of Islam, that is what we have to suspect.

  45. ronyvo says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:19 am

    One obvious fact. The reason that this extremely evil system (Islam) is spreading is the neglect of the Christian values. From the time of Mohammad, the Christians were either naïve enough to allow this satanic idea to spread OR they did not adhere to our Lord Jesus’s teachings, to be a model for good harmonic society. AND, this is still happening to this very day!!!

  46. ken cicala says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 10:20 am

    Another Obama lackey, probably Muslim also.

  47. GMA215 says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Don’t forget that good old-fashioned American value: rape and enslavement. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/uk-muslim-rape-gang-targeted-downs-syndrome-girls?utm_source=Jihad+Watch+Daily+Digest&utm_campaign=b58b53190d-Daily_Digest&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ffcbf57bbb-b58b53190d-123524049

  48. Will says

    Mar 26, 2015 at 5:27 am

    With Muslims the problem is that you cannot differentiate the sheep from the wolves and so any real attempt to deal with them MUST take this into account. The treatment of Japanese in the USA in WW2 solved most of the potential problems that occurred with proNazi Germans there and this is the ONLY way. You cannot trust anyone who abides by the Koran and ESPECIALLY airline pilots

  49. Bill says

    Mar 26, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    I’ll accept what the Founder’s assessment of Islam was:

    -In 1786 Thomas Jefferson (3rd president of the U. S.) spoke on the House floor concerning how Muslim Ambassador Adja to London justified the capture of American ships, the murder and enslaving of both crew and passengers. Jefferson related what Adja said by way of justifying these Muslim crimes: “Islam was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and that every Muslim slain in these battles was sure to go to Paradise.”

    -“Nor can the Plundering of Infidels be in that sacred Book [the Quran] forbidden, since it is well known from it, that God has given the World, and all that it contains, to his faithful Mussulmen, who are to enjoy it of Right as fast as they conquer it.” Benjamin Franklin, United States founding father

    -“He (Muhammad) poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.” John Quincy Adams, 6th president of the U. S.

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