“Anything that delays an Islam of France, even if this is already a reality, that’s the great challenge we must face.” Valls is dreaming. He thinks Muslims in France will create an Islam shorn of Sharia hudud punishments, shorn of political supremacism, shorn of jihad terror. If imams in France did somehow devise such an Islam, other Muslims would denounce them as heretics and apostates, and they’d live thereafter under a death fatwa.
But upon this weak reed Valls is basing the future survival of France as a free nation.
“Nothing must slow down Islam,” Gallia Watch, March 14, 2015 (thanks to Thomas Pellow):
The comments made by Manuel Valls on March 3 during a visit to the grand mosque of Strasbourg (above) are worth noting, even though I’m a bit late in reporting them. They come under the same category as those made by Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve, who recently announced a new “dialogue” with Muslim leaders and the relaunching of an Islamic “foundation” to fund various cultural activities. Both men are working diligently to implant Islam firmly in France. With every new mosque, every new concession to halal food, every new welcome to imams, they eradicate a bit more of French tradition, and bring the country a step closer to overt conflict. From Le Point:
Manuel Valls wants to meet the challenge of “anything that slows down the Islam of France,” in particular with regard to the training of imams. But he wants also to stem the “reflex” of soliciting foreign countries to finance mosques. “I hope to act, we hope to act… and we hope that everybody, you first among them, see the depth of the problems we have to deal with today,” he declared during a meeting with Muslim leaders at the grand mosque of Strasbourg. “Anything that delays an Islam of France, even if this is already a reality, that’s the great challenge we must face.”
“If there is no miracle recipe, things are little by little taking shape. Larger mosques, more worthy ones, have been built. Now, it is in the field of training that we must invest. And the State wants to provide the means,” said Valls who would later elaborate on this during a visit to the University of Strasbourg, where he announced that the State would increase to twelve, from the current six, the number of universities that offered courses for imams.
Valls insisted that there was no need to seek funds for mosques from foreign countries:
“In France, all the energy, all the necessary resources already exist for the development of Islam.”
He then launched into a condemnation of extremism:
Islamist extremism and the extreme right are two “major dangers for the Republic” that “nourish each other”.
“We must not hide from the challenges we are facing.The rise of populism, of the extreme right, in Europe and in France, feeds naturally on the rise of jihadism, terrorism, and radical extremism. At bottom, these two extremisms feed one another and represent a major danger for our democracy, our society and our ability to live together. I am sometimes surprised, angered, by the fact that people are not sufficiently aware of this. The only answer, the only one, to these two dangers that feed on each other is the Republic. The only answer is laïcité, education, the university, knowledge, intelligence, the ability to live together. Otherwise our plan, our national plan, will be in jeopardy.”
cs says
Why not?
Mohammed >>>>> Voltaire, Sartre etc
Kebab >>>>> Escargot, lobster etc…
Kaba >>>> Tower Eiffel.
Mecca>>>>>Paris
We are not missing anything, just winning!!!!
It is been occupied by Nazis without losing many troops!!!
No line MAginot, no Petain, no De Gaule. Just a beautiful surrender. Occupation forever. How nice?
That is what I call a complete intellectual/moral suicide.
My last hope is that Israel is still there, and the haters will be regretting why they hated instead of supporting. Complete lack of Balls there in France.
mortimer says
Note: even the socialists in France realize they are in deep doodoo!
sheik yermami says
Mortimer, the socialists in France are the prostitutes they have always been and they are selling tricks just like Manuel Valls.
cs says
I have been always a utopist, most of my life, read Marcuse quite young (seriously), I never expected to see a dystopian future, we are heading for it, Blade Runner and Mad Max will be a piece of cake, expect much worse.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Note: even the socialists in France realize they are in deep doodoo!
Is that true? I axe this cuz socialists (called “liberals” and “RINOs” here in America) are singularly unable to see the freedoms and liberties compromised or lost with each transferred unit of wealth. So how can a socialist see freedom lost for the purpose of correctitude, even apart from money?
Lia Wissing says
They must all be going funny in their heads … the politicos, I mean. The islamists know exactly where they are going and how to get there.
cs says
Yes.
mortimer says
1) First forbid the use of Arabic; everything must take place in French 2) Remove the violent verses of Koran 3) Remove the Sira, Mohammed’s biography which is mostly about jihad 4) Remove all violent, intolerant or misogynistic hadiths 5) Remove all references to foreign religious authorities in Arabia or Egypt or Pakistan 6) Remove all supremacist prayers, especially those that curse Jews and Christians 17 times a day every day of the year 7) Remove all books and literature that call for religious and political supremacism, misogyny or intolerance of other faiths 8) Require all mullahs to submit sermons to the interior ministry a week before delivery 9) Require women and men to wear ‘secular’, modern French clothing 10) Require all children and teenagers to study French civics, learning the virtues and rationales of the French system of government, culture and way of life 11) teach all children and teenagers the importance of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights, its history and how it is the hope for world peace and international progress against poverty, ignorance, disease, oppression, inequality and obscurantism.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
You remove all those things and you’ve got an empty book. Even if its published in French. But the Holy Ko-Ran is not empty, it’s a well constructed manual for murder, intimidation, mass murder, and world takeover. How can you change a Moslem to a better man without a new version of the book to read, where would the prescriptions be? The only path to the new better and survivable Islam is with *replacement* along with the obviously necessary many removals .
I’m not sure al-Sisi has even thought of this, much less Valls.
voegelinian says
Muslims of course wouldn’t stand for such a program. If they already are going apeshit (metastasizing) while Western societies bend over backwards to respect them, the Counter-Jihad Softies are delusional to think Muslims will just behave (and not get horribly worse) after such extreme measures taken against their Islam.
Counter-Jihad Softy in control: “Hey, we have a giant mass of volatile inflammable liquid inside our house; let’s put a match to it — I’m sure everything will be okay… Oh but don’t even think of actually removing that volatile inflammable liquid from the house, that’s unthinkable, that’s against the law — where would you put the liquid?” Et fucking cetera.
Joseph says
Islamist extremism and the extreme right are two “major dangers for the Republic” that “nourish each other
WHAT?? The extreme right or conservatives are not going to kill you and they WILL NOT SUPPORT IT EITHER..
I don’t have to prove the point with any level of Islam, they did it for me.
As being a conservative myself I believe in helping people lead better lives. PERIOD!!
I don’t believe in killing people just because they are not Christian. If they don’t want to believe in JESUS CHRIST that is their choice. This is what GOD wants(freedom to choose) therefore I am also bound.
This does however make me a little upset(I will not hide it) that I, and others like me are lumped together with the murderous group called Islam. When Muslims get upset they go for terror, murder and vengeance. This Christian will not do that, JESUS does NOT condone this; HE never has, never did nor EVER WILL.
roger says
The extreme right are a serious danger and a threat to France and Muslims because they might hold a quiet rally and speak carefully thought out facts.
And that would upset the apple cart.
jimmy says
The ruling party is irrelevant… They know that there is such a large amount of mahometans out there that any kind of “microagression” like unproper words might provoke a disaster in all kinds of situations and he, the politician, will be held accountable.
Boston Tea Party says
And this approach is based 100% on the notion that Muslims want to change their religion so that it will blend with liberal Western society. Most Westerners cannot even begin to consider the possibility that this might not be so.
Jon Sobieski says
Not only that, but they can’t believe these Muslim spokesmen/imams/whatever are not lying to them
mortimer says
Manuel Valls is no Kemal Ataturk! Kemal Ataturk was a complete dictator who reformed Turkey to suit his own whims by using powers of arbitrary arrest and arbitrary punishment that France could not implement.
There will be no voluntary reform of Islam in France. The attempts to reform Islam in France will lead to EVEN GREATER AND MORE DETERMINED JIHADS!
gravenimage says
Mortimer, not even Attatürk was able to reform Islam, nor did he try.
He just repressed it as much as possible, but it was always bubbling under the surface.
And he did not actually do much to prevent violence against Infidels, including the last bloody years of the Armenian Genocide, as well as the horrific destruction of Smryna.
gravenimage says
Very true, BTP. Erdogan said, “there is no moderate Islam, there is only Islam”.
By the way, good to see you posting again.
Boston Tea Party says
Thanks, gravenimage. I’m usually around–I just go into “lurk” mode every now and then.
TH says
Edrogan is peparing to be the new real Caliph.
Ernie says
Manuel Valls apparently thinks he can change islam , create a more benevolent , ‘liberal’ , more French islam . Educating more imams in France . Valls is a socialist , a liberal lefty . He acknowledges the big problems caused by islam in France , but his solution is : we will assist further development of islam in France with taxpayers money , let’s help them ( islam ) . Meanwhile Valls states that islamic extremism and the extreme right feed on another… and are a danger to The French Republic . Rolling out the red carpet for islam is his solution . The logic of this escapes me completely . Is Mr. Valls being naive …no , he is very intelligent and worldwise so…. or…. could it be Mr. Valls hates the (extreme) right more than islam ? Certainly looks like it …. Next elections the socialists will lose big time in France , the French people are waking up quickly and Front National will have a landslide victory . Vive La France !
petey says
I hope so! I don’t want anymore Canadian soldiers buried there, we’ve already have enough in France from the first two times we saved them!!!
Jay Boo says
Oy vey!
No pasa nada
Doris Day – Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)
cs says
Or we give them a clear Cease and Desist message or we are done.
Marine Le Pen will probably be a major player now.
Jay Boo says
Vive Marine Le Pen and the Front National.
Down with the funny hat Muslim men who hide butcher knives underneath their flowing Islamic man-dresses.
Jaladhi says
I think it’s the Westerners who are brain dead who keep hoping for a reform in Islam!! They keep assuring Muslims that the West will help in changing Islam which is against all odds. i think hell freezing over has a better chance than Islam reforming.
Islam can never ever reform – it has to be eradicated from this planet if humanity has to survive!
Westman says
“….Otherwise our plan, our national plan, will be in jeopardy.”
What “national plan” – surrender to Islam? Who is “our”? This a major weakness of most democratic nations – they have NO national goals to which the citizens have a stake, commitment, and pride. Islam has a mission statement and commitment.
It looks more like creeping fundamental Islam is pouring into the French cracks like water before a freeze. Could the French Elite be licking the outer sweet shell of an inward social suicide poison?
“Islamist extremism and the extreme right are two “major dangers for the Republic” that “nourish each other”.
So we are expected to believe that Islamist extremism came into existence because of the extreme right? This is no chicken-egg conundrum; we know which is the chicken and when it was created.
Let us know more about the “extreme right” when the cars stop burning. How many cars did the extreme right torch?
The French Elite slogan, “Deditio Nunc”, should be on all Euro currency.
CogitoErgoSum says
Manuel Valls to Joan of Arc: “Stop struggling, Joan. The flames will keep you warm. Here, let me throw another log onto the fire.”
Sam says
Let Europe become muslim. That may wake up liberal Americans.
Sorry, I became wishful again. Islam is winning everywhere. Listen to the lies about the only true lider of the free world, Nathanyahu after his election. Liberals will not wake up untill evil Islam do a great damage like a nuke here in US or Europe.
jayell says
“In France, all the energy, all the necessary resources already exist for the development of Islam”….. I really don’t understand any of this. Why does islam need to be ‘developed’? It’s an ideology for a small alien minority that is being tolerated in an Christian-based Western culture. They can develop islam for themselves on their own if they want/need to, it should have no relevance to anyone else in France. Or is this the brave French being as determined as in WW2?
abad says
I suppose that is what happens when one thinks that all cultures (cough cough) are equal and that all religions (cough cough) are equal and that all peoples are (cough cough) equal.
*COUGH COUGH*
gravenimage says
French PM: “In France, all the energy, all the necessary resources already exist for the development of Islam”
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What a fool Valls is. No “filthy Infidel” can dictate what Islam is, nor rid it of its bloody-minded supremacy.
There is not “French Islam”, nor “American Islam”, nor “Dutch Islam”, or anything similar, nor will there ever be.
That the French Prime Minister is so ignorant does not node well for France, nor for the rest of the West.
More:
“We must not hide from the challenges we are facing.The rise of populism, of the extreme right, in Europe and in France, feeds naturally on the rise of jihadism, terrorism, and radical extremism. At bottom, these two extremisms feed one another and represent a major danger for our democracy,
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More witless moral equivalence—as thought the “threat” from populism is the same as that from ravening Jihadists.
It is also the old canard—that what is causing violent Jihad is resistance to violent Jihad.
Wellington says
If Valls is a fool, gravenimage, and I think he is, then what can be said about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has a new book coming out on Tuesday entitled “Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.” In this work, which she wrote about in a Wall Street Journal article from a couple of days ago, Hirsi Ali, whom I admire and whom I strongly suspect you do as well, astoundingly thinks that Islam can be reformed and sounds very much like Valls. Philip Jihadski has already said he is “befuddled” by what Hirsi Ali seemingly thinks is possible. Me too. Thought I’d give you a heads up here in case you hadn’t heard about this already. Hope you’re doing well.
voegelinian says
Only those who haven’t been paying attention would be “befuddled” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s asymptotic book. She’s been asymptotic all along. One reason why someone would not detect it is if they themselves are asymptotic. (he asymptotic psychology seems to have an inherent tendency toward self-contradiction — which, after all, is the very essence of it: trying to have its cake (of robust anti-Islam posturing) and eat it too (not facing the full horror of the problem). While negotiating & navigating this semi-unaware psychology, the typical asymptotic can be unaware of a counter-jihad analyst being asymptotic, and then be surprised at a certain point when that analyst is simply following through on the asymptotic logic which they too share. And it is pertinent to add that not all asymptotics are exactly cookie-cutter alike; there are different shapes & flavors, and different ingredients of ways to avoid the full horror of the problem of Islam (which, pace the typical asymptotic = the problem of all Muslims)
Wellington says
Thanks, voegelinian, for clearing that up. I do so appreciate the way you consistently express your thoughts in plain English, for instance with a word like “asymptotic.”
voegelinian says
Our Asymptotic Analysts
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2008/04/our-asymptotic-analysts.html
Wellington says
Inventive of you, voegelinian, to employ a purely mathematical term for another use. This aside, know well that I am a critic of ALL of Islam. Every last part of this wretched excuse for a religion I detest. Anything here or there in said religion that might have stumbled into the truth can be found elsewhere and there is much in it which is wicked which is difficult to find anywhere else.
In short, I despise Islam. However, I must abide by Western legal and constitutional frameworks as they now exist and as they now exist your “prescription” for mass deportation of Muslims from Western nations is a total non-starter. You continue not to “get” this.
I deal in practical solutions to combatting the evil which is Islam. You sometimes deal in high-theory solutions for dealing with Islam which would not stand up in ANY court of law. Again, you have never once explained, and I have challenged you on this sundry times, just what you would do, POINT-BY-POINT and citing case law, to convince ANY federal judiciary here in America of the correctness of your view on mass deportation and/or incarceration of all Muslims. It is not enough to argue, as you have, that no Muslim should be trusted and all should be suspected (here I agree with you). Much more, MUCH MORE, must occur before your treating of all Muslims as the enemy of liberty and thus quite worthy of deportation (or incarceration) would, could, occur. And even here I would dispute you because Muslims need never be penalized for what they BELIEVE (after all, who cares what they believe minus their heinous actions?). Rather, they should be penalized for what they DO when in contraventon of American law. I do wish you would finally get this. Until you do, no federal judge, no law professor, no lawyer, will pay you any attention (i have to wonder if you understand this—-to date I don’t think you do). Indeed, because of this massive ignorance on your part, you would have the ironic effect of insuring continued Islamic supremacy crap in America because of unconstitutional and illegal overreach.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
If Valls is a fool, gravenimage, and I think he is, then what can be said about Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has a new book coming out on Tuesday entitled “Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.” In this work, which she wrote about in a Wall Street Journal article from a couple of days ago, Hirsi Ali, whom I admire and whom I strongly suspect you do as well, astoundingly thinks that Islam can be reformed and sounds very much like Valls…
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Yes, I’m familiar with this, Wellington. I do admire Ayaan Hirsi Ali a great deal. I have read all her books and was thrilled to have a chance to hear her speak in San Francisco a couple of years ago. I consider her a principled, intelligent, and very brave woman.
That being said, I’m afraid I am hardly surprised by this—as Voegelinian notes, she has said similar things before. I think she is simply loath to give up on her former coreligionists, and wants to save them as she does the West that gave her (a rather imperfect) sanctuary.
The thing is that pious Muslims are no more apt to listen to an apostate than they are to some Kuffar like Manuel Valls. In fact, their response to Ayaan Hirsi Ali has always been to try to murder her.
As clear-eyed as she is regarding the threat of Jihad, I think she is still in a certain amount of denial as to how deep the roots of this evil reach, despite—or perhaps *because*, she has lived this herself.
What I mean is that she never completely jettisoned all of her reason and decency, even before she had freed herself from Islam—so she tends to think this is true of all Muslims. Sadly, it *is not*.
I still continue to admire Ayaan Hirsi Ali in many ways—especially her impassioned warnings to the West of the threat of Jihad. But I can appreciate and admire someone and still see that they retain some tragic blind spots.
I just hope this does not undercut her message or give Westerners false hope that Islam is on the imminent verge of some sort of peaceful reformation, because that simply is not going to happen.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Valls and Cazeneuve represent just how low an intellectual can go. By “low” I include not only mistakedness and dishonesty, the two standard stocks in trade of the modern intellectual, but also how damaging to society one can be by taking his dreams out of the lecture hall and into reality.
Valls and Cazeneuve may have hit rock bottom, below even Barack Hussein and John Kerry, the nadir, they may have hit the point where none can go any lower. Rock bottom.
This from what I take to be Thomas Pellow’s blog GalliaWatch:
(Valls’ statements) come under the same category as those made by Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve, who recently announced a new “dialogue” with Muslim leaders and the relaunching of an Islamic “foundation” to fund various cultural activities. Both men are working diligently to implant Islam firmly in France.
That is how you get the dream out of the lecture hall and out into reality to poison it: taxpayer money. Somebody’s gotta pay, and in this case the French Infidel must pay twice.
vlparker says
Yeah, I’m really worried about that right wing extremism. The “religion of peace”, no problem.
My God, these fawning and groveling idiots are stupid beyond belief. i wonder if modern day France is what DeGaulle had in mind when he started playing patty cake with the Arabian governments.
Edward says
How nice a “love fest” before the slaughter…..at least they will go down with a smile ;-D
Bezelel says
Why is it so important to destroy France to accommodate islam?
Joseph says
Not only do they want to destroy France but the WHOLE world to accommodate Islam. France is just the beginning.
Islam started it, we MUST end it; for our children’s sake.
Bezelel says
Joseph, The muslims are what they are, that much is clear. The why that baffles me is why do people like Valls think their efforts have any merit. What is wrong with France being France?
Joe Shmo says
This is how a civilisation destroys itself. We’re to have a front row seats it seems.
And yet, it’s not over yet. Like the Nazis, I suspect the hubris of Islam will be its undoing. But first the clueless will have to step aside.
pumbar says
France has raised its security status from “severe” to “emergency white flag production”.
crixus says
Fortunately, there are still enough of the indigenous french in France who despise this death cult and the attacks on their rebublic and proud tradition of secular government.
This toss pott dhimmi prime minister will be hoofed out at the next election – Le Pen for France!
The French Government would do well to undertand how angry their population are at the moment and remember that their people do have a track record of not waiting for elections to deal with regimes that frustrate their will – how many republics are we on now?
I can hear the tumbrels rolling
Thomasson says
@Crixus
Certainly there are enough French people who despise the Islamic Dreck that is now endangering France and the French. When need the French people can fight for France …They had done it before …in 732 in Tours (Charles Martel), Think about Jeanne d’Arc, the take over of the Bastille 1798 and French underground organizations as the Maquis in WWII. THE ONLY HOPE OF FRANCE FOR A NEW LIBERATION IS MARINE LE PEN. If she will be the next pressident of the Republique and she will clean France SHE WILL BE THE MODERN JEAN D’ARC.
pumbar says
That’s not going to happen in EUSSR.
Thomasson says
“Without a little help of it’s friends” Islamic Jihad could not be so successful. Not in France and not in Europe. It is aided by “fifth column” forces who are keeping Islamic Jihad engine go on full gas. The forces behind the Jihad are Cultural Marxists and corrupted “Go Getters” who are heavily bribed on offshore bank accounts for the betrayal of their own country. These modern traitors are financed by the same persons and organizations who had financed the terror attack of 9/11, are financing now ISIS and world wide terror, they are building mosques all over Europe. They are financing the crossover of as many as possible “sleeping cells of Allah’s army” who are flooding now Europe as “refugees”. It is a mistake to think that only left wingers are accommodating the Islamization of Europe. These treacherous elements are to be find in all traditional political parties in the European Parliament, France and the rest of EU member states. It’s a big wonder the European Parliament has it’s sit in Strasbourg and not in Vichy. Vichy is a far more suitable place for the Quislings of our time.
pumbar says
You forget about the “redistribution of wealth”. First world countries pump billions of their currency into third world hellholes, third world hellholes export their people to first world countries, in a few decades we will see a world that is “evened out”. We Westerners will be as bereft as Afghanis. Then we’ll have true equality.
George Romero says
Goodnight France.
I loved you , but you cheated on us.
Cheese and wine and halal goat meat for the suburbs.
Goodnight fair France.
Baucent says
Valls and the others in his Socialist government are fools. They think the State can “moderate” Islam by funding it’s growth and “training Imams”. Blind fools, they are simply speeding the Islamization train.
Vall is like one of those people who buys a Lion cub and raises it like a kitten, so cuddly and friendly, really seems tame, then one day the adult Lion eats his owner. Islam will end up consuming French culture, what ever that might be.
And Valls will say “But at least it’s French Islam.”
Guest says
The absolute stupidity of European ruling politicians like Valls leave me speechless. I only want to vomit.
Kasey says
Trust and taqiyya are totally incompatible!