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Indonesia: Top Muslim clerics issue fatwa calling for death for gays

Mar 18, 2015 1:21 pm By Robert Spencer

TransgenderIndonesiaWoe to you — from the gay community — if you dare to point out Sharia persecution of gays. When Pamela Geller and I ran ads highlighting the mistreatment of gays in Islamic law, the San Francisco City Council issued a resolution condemning not that mistreatment, but our ads. Gay advocates such as Theresa Sparks and Chris Stedman attacked us for daring to call attention to the institutionalized mistreatment of gays under Islamic law. Their gay advocacy doesn’t extend to standing up to Sharia oppression of gays, even though that oppression is far more virulent and violent than anything from “right-wing extremists” in the U.S. And you can’t blame them: given the Leftist/jihadist alliance, it’s clear that if they spoke out against Sharia mistreatment of gays, they would no longer be invited to the best parties, and might even be branded as “right-wing.” Their moral cowardice and duplicity, however, are obvious.

“Indonesia’s top clerics issue fatwa against gays,” by Jon Green, America Blog, March 17, 2015:

The Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI), the most prominent Islamic clerical organization in the country, has issued a fatwa calling for the death penalty to be imposed for the crime of having gay sex.

The edict was issued earlier this month to “remind” the public that homosexuality is a “deviant sexual behavior” that the society should not tolerate, as it puts a “stain on the dignity of Indonesia.”

As Hasanuddin A.F., the head of the MUI’s fatwa commission, said, as quoted by the Jakarta Globe:

It doesn’t matter that they love each other…The law still prohibits it. In Islamic law, it’s a sexual act that must be heavily punished. It would be bad if the government allows same-sex marriage.

The fatwa is particularly worrisome given how influential MUI is in Indonesia, which is home to the world’s largest Muslim population. The organization was founded under Suharto’s New Order in 1975, and has since been the umbrella organization for Muslim clerics in the country. So when they tell believers in Indonesia that a certain group of people shouldn’t have the full protection of the law behind them, it carries quite a bit of weight. Prior fatwas issued by the MUI have been used to justify violence against the Ahmadiyah community, a sect of Islam branded as heretical by the MUI.

And given the already-high rate of violence against religious minorities in the country, the active incitement to religiously-motivated violence against the homosexuals, coming from the country’s most prominent religious body, has put Indonesia’s LGBT community on notice….

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  1. Don McKellar says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    Hey, wait a second, how come they’re following the lead of the non-Islamic Islamic State? http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/islamic-state-throws-another-gay-man-off-a-building-crowd-stones-him

    I’m confused! It’s endless — every time I read about some barbarity from the Islamic State, very quickly another “moderate” Islamic leader or state follows their lead whether its destroying churches. murdering gays, calling for genocide, and on and on and on — and YET, Cameron, Obama, and all the rest proclaim the Islamic State is not Islamic! I just can’t figure this one out!

    • Lioness says

      Mar 19, 2015 at 9:24 am

      That’s because you are Islamophobic, Don. It would all make sense to you if you only acknowledge that the Islamic State is not Islamic, that Sharia is tolerant of gays and women, that the Quran calls for coexistence with other religions, and that everything is Israel’s fault. If you have this attitude, you could be a happy person.

  2. Charli Main says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    The following is strictly a personal opinion regarding male and female homosexuality.
    My Christian religion strictly forbids ME from practicing homosexuality. My religion does NOT give me the green light to murder, abuse and discriminate against those who do.
    GOD has not appointed me HIS judge, jury and executioner. GOD will deal with those who violate HIS laws at the appointed time.

    • David says

      Mar 18, 2015 at 7:52 pm

      Unfortunately, every muslim seems to think he is Big Al’s judge, jury and executioner. He is acting out of the fear that the is not being islamic enough, hence they all try to outdo one another.

      • particolor says

        Mar 19, 2015 at 5:43 am

        A Mo Slim is a Mo Slim !! 🙁

    • Anthony says

      Mar 19, 2015 at 12:12 am

      @Charlie, well said. As Christians we don’t serve God by doing God’s job, but for Moslem, they have to serve their Alllah as prescribed in their Sharia law. This is the basic difference between these two faiths which can’t be compromised through faith dialogue.

    • Brian Hoff says

      Mar 19, 2015 at 7:08 am

      Tham Christian Rightwing lawyer is putting on the ballot in Calforian to bring back Sodney laws with the death penaly the only pentaly for both male and female homesexual.

      • john spielman says

        Mar 19, 2015 at 7:21 am

        PLEASE SITE YOUR SOURCE

        • Don says

          Mar 19, 2015 at 10:31 am

          cite.

      • Ernie says

        Mar 19, 2015 at 7:30 am

        Hello , ‘Brian’ : there are idiots ( as you should know , because you are one of them ) everywhere . If the claim you are making is true , this ‘lawyer’ you ‘re writing about is a bloodthirsty idiot in my opinion .

      • Keith Jordan says

        Mar 19, 2015 at 6:31 pm

        Please write in English.

      • Marco says

        Mar 19, 2015 at 6:45 pm

        He can run but he cant win especially not in California. A guy who cant win running for office, if in fact that is a true, who is anti gay is in no way the same as actually passing a law with the penalty of death for homosexuality. Really lame to try and compare the two “Brian”.

    • henderson says

      Mar 19, 2015 at 8:33 am

      I must agree

  3. vlparker says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Just like the press, the gays are accessories in their own demise and are too stupid to realize it.

    • Ernie says

      Mar 18, 2015 at 7:38 pm

      Not THE GAYS but SOME GAYS vlparker . You are generalizing !

      • Nat says

        Mar 18, 2015 at 10:33 pm

        Well Ernie which gays are speaking out against islam’s savagery against gays ?

  4. No Fear says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    The thing that is “putting a stain on the dignity of Indonesia” is Islam.

  5. Dexter L. Wilson says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    Is our President an Indonesian since he was a foreign student under the name Barry Soetoro going to Occidental College from Indonesia?

    • Bezelel says

      Mar 18, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      Actually our acting president is POS and by any other name would smell as bad.

  6. David says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    It is interesting to note that whenever we see a gang of muslims doing something vile and violent, like throwing “suspected” gay people from rooftops, we never see girls. Does it not seem odd that Mohammed, Mohammed, Mohammed, and Mohammed spend a lot of time together? It is sort of like they are saying, “See, I can be with men doing manly things. I can show Big All that I can be a badass and fulfill his wishes of killing his enemies. I don’t need goats.”

  7. Joe Shmo says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Robert is right, we must avert our gays before it’s too late.

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. Joking aside, truth really is stranger than fiction: the cowardice or blindness of our PC clerics together with the oppressive zeal of Islam’s clerics is gonna make for some interesting movies when this is all over. I might actually get to enjoy and laugh at these oxyMORONS when looking at them all in the rearview mirror.

  8. gravenimage says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    Indonesia: Top Muslim clerics issue fatwa calling for death for gays
    …………………..

    Damn barbarians. And this is from “moderate” Indonesia.

    And yes—too many gay people, like too many women, are in complete denial over this threat, and are more likely to turn on the messenger than acknowledge murderous Muslim hatred of gays.

    I recently noted that I was glad to see an article in the gay press—San Francisco’s Bay Area Reporter—about the plight of gays in Iraq. It actually mentioned that they were at risk from “Islamists” (not perfect, but not bad).

    I went to reference that article later on-line, and found to my dismay that in both the headline and the text that the focus had been changed to criticize the US not doing more safeguard gay people in Iraq, and the source of the danger was almost entirely obscured.

    Obviously, some editor at the paper decided the piece was too “politically incorrect” for actually naming Islam at all.

    And this sad coverage is about as good as it gets—often the huge story of the growing murder of gays in Dar-al-Islam is not covered at all.

  9. pumbar says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 12:56 am

    I have modified a current police issue breathalyser. It now measures the temperature of the exhalation a driver my give when stopped. When a driver exhales a sufficient amount of hot air he can be arrested for “driving under the influence of the wholly Qur’ap” and incarcerated (where he may “accidentally” “fall down the stairs”).

    The great thing is, is that the device works for cultural Marxists too. My first experiment failed when David CaMoron went near it and the bag simply melted from the squalls of hot air (hotter than the rectal gasses of the lucifuge himself) that that guy can pump out. So I may have to create an asbestos lined one for the likes of him, OLlama and Angela Merkin.

  10. citycat says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 1:08 am

    If the prophet sucks cock then what’s the problem?
    Gays don’t produce children for Allah?

  11. citycat says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 1:10 am

    Unless they’re homophobic of course

  12. Lia Wissing says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 6:09 am

    Theresa & Chris should be sent on a fact-finding mission to muslim countries.

  13. duh_swami says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 6:17 am

    Many gays ‘over here’, know what happens to gays, ‘over there’, but since it is not happening over here, they are not concerned. I don’t see anything like a gay ummah where all gays are on the same page about much of anything except gay rights over here.

  14. Darren says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 8:27 am

    I am confused, if homosexuality is wrong according to islam, why did the holy noble prophet do this?

    Hadith: Prophet Muhammad ‘kissed the penis’ of small boys and had child bride wash semen stains
    Posted on April 10, 2014 by Admin 19 Comments

    14 Votes

    Hadith Lesson of the Month:

    “And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.”

    Hadith Number 16245, Volume Title: “The Sayings of the Syrians,” Chapter Title: “Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan”:

    “I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the
    prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

    He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
    روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
    He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein
    رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
    He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart and kissed his (little) penis

    Another Hadith. Majma al-Zawa’id, Ali ibn Abu Bakr al-Haythami, 299/9 مجمع الزوائد لعلي بن أبى بكر الهيثمي

    رأيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
    رواه الطبراني و إسناده حسن
    translated into English: “I saw the Messenger of Allah pbuh putting Husein’s legs apart and kissing his (little) penis.”

    Related by Al-Tabarani and it’s authentication is fully validated by Islamic scholars.

    Hussein and Hassan is not the same name, so clearly this is of two accounts and he kissed more than one penis.

    Muhammad would also invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:

    Narrated Anas bin Malik:
    Whenever Allah’s Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented, “So that he might wash his private parts with it.”) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152; see also Numbers 153-154)

    Other sick practices of Muhammad include having his young child bride wipe semen off his clothes:

    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229)

    Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
    I asked ‘Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, “I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah’s Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231; see also Number 232)

    Narrated ‘Aisha:
    I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233)

  15. Darren says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 8:29 am

    If mohammad were alive today he would be driving a white van and on the Meagan’s Law list, and not hailed as a holy prophet by 1.6 billion people.

  16. Rebecca Moulds says

    Mar 19, 2015 at 11:59 am

    When I lived in Jakarta back in the early 1980’s, there were many transvestites (Banci) . On Friday nights, they walked a certain area of central Jakarta and offered their services to mostly foreigners. When we had houseguests we’d take them down a certain street to see these people, parading their wares. I was amazed that in a mainly Muslim country, they were allowed to exist. We also had a friend who was a homosexual Indonesian with an English boyfriend. This English guy was living with us for a while and once when we were away, he had his Indonesian boyfriend over. Apparently the maid walked in on them once, not knowing anyone was in the guest room. My husband and I were furious and embarrassed. The Scriptures tell us that homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of The Lord. Leviticus 20:13 “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” However, that is the Old Testament and was written to Israel. In this age of grace, there is nothing in any books in the New Testament that states death to homosexuals. There is great freedom in Christ but as Christians, we need to stand firm on what Christ did for us, and heed the word of God. We are in the world, but not of the world. We are not the judges, only The Lord is.

    • xxxChurch100 says

      Mar 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm

      Dear Rebecca, thankfully we are still in a period of Gods’ Grace … but that is set to end and then the judgement , but we still have [ a little ] time to alert others to this impending reality .
      I might just point out something that t I found a little helpful ..and did . The Bible is no doubt the inspired ” Word ” of God record by the hand of man , however “the division” , that page contained in all Bibles that says ” New Testament ” is not the inspired writings but a much later editorial insert ….
      I couldn’t bring myself to remove that page , rather I just folded it so as to not let it interfere or divide the ” wholeness ” .. ….. the uninterrupted complete picture of Gods’ continuing Grace . O.T and N.T
      The “OLD Testament ” Grace of God ” the covenant ” was visible and very focused upon His chosen people Israel right from the outset, generation after generation it then was extended to ALL …
      because of the cross …there the ” homosexual ” issue was addressed … in fact all un-Godly , sinful , self centered behavior was identified and then defeated …. because GOD IS LOVE … and rightly,as you concluded that there will be ultimate and perfect justice for all … there has to be .
      Amen.

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