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Robert Spencer in PJM: Watch What Happens When 3 Muslim Spokesmen Are Asked About Islam’s Death Penalty for Apostasy

Mar 24, 2015 11:10 pm By Robert Spencer

You guessed it: lots of deception, lots of whining. My latest at PJM:

A recent episode of the BBC program The Big Questions was anomalous: instead of pumping out more of the usual fog of obfuscation and denial regarding the aspects of Islamic law incompatible with Western standards of human rights and human dignity — as do most BBC shows — it actually featured an honest discussion of Islam’s death penalty for apostasy.

Or it would have, that is, if the Muslim spokesmen on the show had been remotely honest about that penalty. Instead, they offered an instructive case study in how Islamic supremacists deal with uncomfortable aspects of Islam when speaking with infidels.

Despite denials from Muslims in the West, Islam’s death penalty for those who leave the faith is abundantly established.

The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite.

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated:

The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.

There is only disagreement over whether the law applies only to men, or to women also — some authorities hold that apostate women should not be killed, but only imprisoned in their houses until death.

The BBC program begins with ex-Muslim Amal Farah of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain (CEMB) and several Muslim spokesmen discussing Islamic law’s death penalty for apostasy. Farah, despite her affiliation with CEMB — which is often more concerned with smearing and demonizing genuine critics of jihad terror and Islamic supremacism than with actually defending apostates from Islam — is the one sane and rational voice in the discussion.

The Muslim spokesmen, by contrast, practice various forms of evasion and deflection, claiming victim status repeatedly. Abdullah al-Andalusi of the ironically named Muslim Debate Initiative is the worst, ascribing Islam’s death penalty for apostasy to “Victorian translations,” claiming that it is only a law in “post-colonial secular states,” and pouting that the BBC is conducting an “Inquisition court.” Note also how he dodges the question of whether or not he condemns the words of UK imam Haitham al-Haddad, who has defended the death penalty for apostasy….

Read the rest here.

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Filed Under: Apostasy, journalistic bias, United Kingdom, willful ignorance Tagged With: Abdullah al-Andalusi, Amal Farah


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  1. Kurt says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 1:46 am

    So typical dodging questions. But Andalusi brought up an interesting concept of Apostasy and Treason, well a diversion actually. Is it treasonous to leave Islam, is that what he is saying? If so he is describing Islam as a sovereign country, which is a caliphate. Islam is an RPM system: Religous, Political, and Military all wrapped into one package.

    Regarding apostasy I’m wondering no one mentioned *it is in the Quran* 4:89. At least the way I read it.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 26, 2015 at 4:21 pm

      You rightly observe that if leaving Islam is political, then Islam is a totalitarian political system.

      Indeed, the Ummah is a supranational nationality…a Holy Arab Empire.

      The word ‘din’ is normally translated as ‘religion’, yet its literal root meaning is ‘judgment’ or ‘jurisprudence’…a legal system containing religious and ‘secular’ laws, but Islam’s laws are considered to be divine, even if some of them are clearly based on the tribal customs of nomadic Arab barbarians.

      ‘Din’ means much more than ‘religion’.

    • Dragomir Collaric says

      Mar 27, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      @ Kurt

      Yes leaving ALLAH is treason.
      RPM yes again you a very correct. It is a COMPLETE WAY OF life, with the aim to bring in a very perverse variant of the JEWISH KINGDOM of heaven on earth.

      My personal take is, that ISLAM was founded by a FALSE MESSIAH (not just false profeet)
      who took the JEWISH IDEAS and claimed that one PAGAN can be called to fill the role.

  2. Westman says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 2:04 am

    Another episode of Dancing With the Muslims. Much fancy footwork to avoid and simple yes or no answer about the death penalty for apostacy In Islam. It was so obvious from the demeanor of the avoiders that they indeed knew and believed it but were trying to avoid damage to Islam’s image in the West. How Muslims in the West rectify denying the Muslim behavior in Muslim-majority states, when they fully know it is in the doctrine, is a study in the art of Taqiyya and a humorous spectacle. The Ayatollah was wrong, there is fun and entertainment – in watching Islam.

    To me, the most interesting term raised was “sedition” as a definition of apostacy. Since Islam, a political as well as religious ideology, considers itself to be only loyal to itself and its Ummah, then sedition against the Democratic states in which it resides is intrinsic. This would lead one to believe that devout Muslims cannot be patriotic citizens of any non-Islam-theocratic govenment because it would be a form of apostacy, living under control of Kufirs.

    “If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” – This was reported as being spoken by a Texas representative of CAIR.

  3. duh_swami says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 3:54 am

    Well I could only get through 11 minutes of that taqiyya fest. I think Abdullah dude should travel to Syria and explain to the Caliph about those ‘Victorian translations’. The bald guy should go with him.

    • Ephesian says

      Mar 25, 2015 at 12:37 pm

      Yes,me too,I couldn’t watch another second of that lying excuse for a man.What’s with the “post colonial” version of islam?What?! These people really do have sawdust for brains.I’d like to have been a fly on the wall if nutjob was left on his own with the lady who’d left islam……..liar,liar,burkha on fire.

    • Rob Porter says

      Mar 25, 2015 at 11:03 pm

      What an exasperating, frustrating, disgusting exercise trying to get the truth out of Muslims. They are, collective, such pathetic bloody liars that lies spew off their tongue. Truth and the concept of truth is unknown to these worthless pagans. Talk about the dregs of humanity, they are it. They are so threatened by discussion about their crappy ideology that in most cases intelligent debate becomes impossible.

  4. AJ Liberphile says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 5:20 am

    The PJ Media comments include some discussion on ‘reforming Islam’. Well, it’s been tried very seriously, in Iran, by the Bab, then Bahaullah; the reminants survive as Bahai, probably the most inter-faith and inclusive religion on the planet (whatever you may think of Bahaullah’s claims to be Shiite Islam’s Third Imam, Sunni Islam’s Imam Husayn and the second coming of Jesus).
    It must be said, Bahai has not gone down well in most Islamic circles.
    Reforming Islam is, if you will pardon the phrase, like putting lipstick on a pig. The pig (Mohammed in this case – and I must apologise for the comparison to all pigs) remains a pig, as does any ‘reformation’ which gives the slightest respect to this death cult, which is quite literally, beneath contempt.
    I’m coming to the quite reasonable conclusion that we should treat Muslims exactly as Muslims treat kuffar. There’s a simple formula for this: simply edit the Koran chapter 9, replacing ‘Muslim’ with ‘kuffar’ and vice versa. I don’t see how Muslims could be the slightest bit upset about being treated in the same way they treat non-Muslims.

    • duh_swami says

      Mar 25, 2015 at 5:37 am

      I would like to be there (not really) when a reformer meets Allah at the gates to Paradise, and says,’there were some things about your religion and your book that I found inconvenient, so I removed some verses, changed some and ignore others. I hope you don’t mind’…

  5. ronyvo says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:00 am

    As usual, Muslims lie without shame. They should be confronted with surahs right from the Koran. I know they will get around them also with all kind of lies (takiyya). Those Muslims are trained to answer with NO answer method.

  6. Gary says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:42 am

    I want to defend the honor of the Son of Man who was whipped, scourged, and crucified for me. Who died for my sins so that I may have eternal life. However; I won’t kill anyone who dis-honors the Son of Man.

    ……I’ll pray for them. I’ll ask God the Father, to reveal His Son and His saving grace to them.

    As Jesus stated: “Father forgive them, as they no not what they’re doing.”

    Please note, Jesus said FORGIVE, not kill.

    • Westman says

      Mar 25, 2015 at 10:11 am

      Even as an Agnostic I can see the difference.

      Jesus: My Kingdom is not of this world. Tell people about the good news.

      Allah: My Kingdom is of this world. Take it from the Kafirs or burn in sadistic Hell forever where I will make you drink boiling water, pour boiling water on your head, burn off your flesh, boil out your insides, renew the flesh and begin again while you are being taunted. Allah is merciful and all forgiving.

  7. mezcukor says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:53 am

    It is like hitting a dead horse.It is in the Koran and just needed to be read loud and clear. Muslims will always deny it to protect the evil of Islam.All they were doing was pussy footing around the problem I feel sorry for that young woman. But at least she is now free from that rotten ideology.
    You cannot engage in ant king of a dialogue with Muslims because they lie and will always defend Islam no matter what.

  8. Michael Copeland says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Can you imagine a discussion programme about football where the anchorman does not even know the rules of the game? Thus do the tainted and compromised BBC let down the paying public. The chairman of the discussion needs to be familiar with Islamic law. He should call out the lying and dissembling. But Oh No, the tainted ones perpetuate the obfuscation, wasting the time and money of the viewers.

  9. Fred says

    Mar 25, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    Steve raises the point that MUST be addressed: “we invite this scum to live amoung us”.

    But to address it means that one has to deny multiculturalism, and that is anathema to the liberal regressives. How do our countries say “Muslims NOT welcome, atheists, Hindus, Christians etc. come on in”

    Personally, I think the regressive’s “end game” is the renunciation of every vestige of Christianity which they loath & despise. So they support the Muslims in their quest to destroy the “Christian” west. It’s pure insanity, but isn’t most evil.

    Any thoughts, comments on this?

  10. Sandra Dudley says

    Mar 26, 2015 at 1:36 am

    Jesus taught his followers to pray for unbelievers, Mohammad taught his to behead them There is a big difference! Muslims have been gaining in numbers and territory by torturing and killing unbelievers since the 7th century until the Ottoman empire was broken up after WWI in 1924. They enslaved and raped captive women and children during their rein of terror. They tried to invade Europe many times but were pushed back by Christians and the Crusades. Unless we know history we are fooled into believing terrorism is something new to Islam because of the “terrible things the United States is doing” or because ” Israel was made into a nation after WWII”. The truth is terrorist are following the teachings of the Quran just like they always have. Moderate Muslims are just the ones that don’t take the violent verses in the Quran, Hadith and Sharia law literally, the radical Muslims do. Islam seeks the establishment of Sharia law that calls for the submission and or death of unbelievers. Our constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Sharia law is, of its own nature, unconstitutional and can not be permitted in order to protect the very freedom of religion it seeks to destroy. The other problem with Islam is it isn’t just a religion, it is also a form of government that seeks to replace other forms of governments.

  11. herbert banana says

    Mar 26, 2015 at 2:33 am

    We have some right islamonutcases in Britistan and many more islamonutcase appeasers. It’s pathetic how, for example, some islamonutcase will say ‘ halal food tastes more delicious, is healthier and causes no suffering to the animal ‘ and the appeaser will not question further but just say ‘ Thank you, mohammed for your insight ‘. MADNESS. Thanks for all your good work, Robert.

  12. RG says

    Mar 27, 2015 at 2:26 am

    I personally, wish I could have been present in this discussion. I thought the beautiful EX-MUSLIM woman was fantastic! What a dynamo of power and conviction in the face of the devil incarnate! I felt that all of the muzzies left that forum with EGG ON THEIR FACES – especially the guy sitting on the front row who was clearly a Middle Easterner! His only defense was that he wanted to defend the “honor” of the “prophet” mohammed. HOW LAME IS THAT??? Apparently allah and mohammed aren’t powerful enough to defend themselves!!! WHO KNEW???

  13. cheesecake says

    Mar 27, 2015 at 6:24 am

    If Muslim think its okay to kill people that leave Islam then is it okay for no muslims to kill those who convert to islam?.
    Muslims should be giving the same freedom in Britain as a none Muslim would receive in a Muslim country.

  14. Dragomir Collaric says

    Mar 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    Reliance of the Traveller and
    Tools for the Worshipper.
    A *CLASSIC MANUAL OF ISLAMIC SACRED LAW*
    BY AHMAD IBN NAQIB AL-MISRI (Died 1368 AD)
    Edited and Translated by Sheik Nuh Ha Mim Keller

    Islamic Research Acadamy
    of the Al-Azar University in 1991
    approved the translation by Sheik Nuh Ha Mim Keller

    Sharia ISLAMIC SACRED LAW:

    o1.2 The following are *not subject* to retaliation:

    [cut]

    (2) a Muslim *for killing a non-Muslim*;

    (3) a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject of the state is under its protection, *while killing an apostate from Islam is without* consequences);

    (4) a father or mother (or their fathers of mothers) fir killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring;

    *end of qute* (typo in original)

    o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed. = end of quote =

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