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Tunis museum jihadis wore belts packed with explosives to maximize deaths

Mar 20, 2015 11:00 pm By Robert Spencer

Tunisia Bardo museum attackThey wanted to present as many dead bodies as possible to their bloodthirsty god. “Tunis museum attackers wore belts packed with explosives,” by Yasmine Ryan, the Independent, March 20, 2015:

Gunmen who shot dead 21 people at Tunisia’s Bardo Museum were also armed with explosive suicide belts and would have killed many more had police not reacted so quickly to the attack, the country’s president said last night.

In an Independence Day television address, President Beji Caid Essebsi described the carnage as a “great disaster” but said it could have been much worse.

Speaking of the police response, he said: “Their intervention stopped the terrorists from setting off their explosive belts, which would have caused more than 100 deaths if they had detonated.”…

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  1. Sally Archer says

    Mar 20, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    Bloodthirsty people make a bloodthirsty god in their own image. Kind, pacifist people like Quakers make a humane, peace-loving religion in their own image, as do the people everywhere make religion that looks like them because they have built religions to reflect themselves. Thankfully Christianity has in the main evolved past violent conquest, although it like all religions still promotes what its leaders and principal thinkers prefer in too many settings — sexual dominance of conduct and role by men against co-opted women backed up by interpretations of the “holy” book, hatred of gays behind the hypocrisy of loving the sinner but not the sin, proselytizing pseudo-caring zeal to snare tithing members instead of honest compassion for all people in the human condition, and terrorizing small children before the age of logic (at about five) with fearsome verbal abuse about an eternal fiery hell. I see Islam as being horrifically on the Bronze Age culturally frozen abusive continuum at the worst end. And yet the more I learn about Islam and its “holy” koranic book’s parallels to past Christian and Jewish religiosity and their “holy” book (the bible in its various forms and subparts), the more I follow Jesus (the Jewish carpenter who started no religion, wrote no book, murdered nobody) and stay away from all the man-made “holy” books, all their buildings, all their controlling ideology everywhere.

    Isn’t it time people started being spiritual and not religious, not just an idea for 12-steppers but an idea that would save so much time, trouble, heartache and abuse all over the world?

    Hate me all you want for writing this. Somebody needs to say it and keep saying it to give people on the fence the courage to break free of living by books written by messed up dudes (Mohammed, Paul, for two examples, koranic and biblical) ancient centuries ago that are doing our species no favors, only harming and limiting us overall.

    • ken koeder says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 10:11 am

      dont blame Christianity for the errors of mankind. Christianity is different from any other “religion”. we dont create God in our image but we conform ( to the best of our ability) to Gods image of peace love and kindness. not the other way around like other religions do.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 7:27 pm

        Sally is just another off topic diversion away from Islam’s endless daily stink.
        This is a classic false equivalence routine.

    • JustifiedAndAncient says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm

      Well written, bang on and honest. Disregard the comments of those who want/need to protect their magical thinking.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 9:00 pm

        A Muslim blows himself up and kills others in the process and you and Sally (assuming you two are not one the same) use that as a segue to blame Christianity and Judaism as the root cause.

        Don’t want to appear too Islamophobic.

    • Wolfpelt says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      Only just saw your comment, Sally. I find myself agreeing with you on every count.

      All gods are man-made and mirror the mindsets of the primitive men who invented them. To a man (if you’ll pardon the phrase) all those deities share an ignorance of this planet and beyond with their inventors. One only has to consider the biblical “firmament” and that book’s amusing taxonomy of the bat.

      Muhammad was, of course, the last great “holy” conman. How that psychopathic warmonger was capable of recruiting so many men to his “cause” is baffling. Until one considers his appeal to the camel-jockeys of his time. He promised them booty (literally and figuratively), power, money, and all the sex-slaves they could handle.

      But the kicker was the apostasy clause contained in the Keran. A stroke of genius that earned my sneaking admiration. All religions, as you remind us, rely on grooming gullible little children. When those children get sense they can choose to reject their parents’ imaginary friend. But Islam very cunningly makes apostasy a crime often punishable by death.

      Genius. When it’s almost impossible to convert someone away from this despicable religion I see little chance of right-thinking people halting its inexorable growth.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 7:22 pm

        @Wolfpelt
        Your “Sneaking admiration is sneaking around Muhammad’s stink”

        You had me fooled for minute into thinking that you were an honest atheist but like many others before you gladly walk the kiss Muhammad’s butt (posing beind a shallow mockery of false equivalence) with your comment ” stroke of genius that earned my sneaking admiration.”

        You folks just can’t help yourselves with your obsessive use kneejerk cowardice (qualifiers) in the face of anything to do with Islam.

        The reason for Muslims being ready to kill other Muslims for apostasy shouts volumes about Islam’s inherent inability to stand on its own.
        Honor killing of one’s children for Allah (Muhammad’s personal whore)
        Sex slaves, murder excused by Islam’s core ideology. etc.
        You gleefully overlook this with your smug false equivalence to cover your butt lest any Muzzie might take offence.

        Seen this all before — nothing new.

        • Wolfpelt says

          Mar 22, 2015 at 2:52 am

          Do please reread my comment. Carefully this time. You may then understand my utter contempt for Islam.

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm

        Beware there is a Wolfpelt is hiding under the sheep’s clothing.

      • gravenimage says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 8:57 pm

        Wolfpelt wrote:

        But the kicker was the apostasy clause contained in the Keran. A stroke of genius that earned my sneaking admiration.
        ……………………………..

        *Ugh*.

      • deja vu says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 8:58 pm

        Wolfpelt aka Wormwood

        Taking your cue from ‘The Screwtape Letters’ by any chance? Doesn’t wash.

    • deja vu says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 8:51 pm

      .’.. the more I follow Jesus (the Jewish carpenter who started no religion, wrote no book, murdered nobody) and stay away from all the man-made “holy” books, all their buildings, all their controlling ideology everywhere.’

      Sally, with respect, you cannot take Jesus Christ out of the Bible. He is there right from Genesis to Revelation, either in prophecies, or ‘types’ and actual Christophanies. He is part of the Godhead, the second Person of the Trinity. You cannot cherry pick, take Him out of Scripture, and have Him in all His fullness without understanding exactly who He is. Read the great I AM passages in John to understand His deity. Read the attributes of God. Jesus is God; the Bible is God’s Word. John 1:1-5 reveals that Jesus *is* the Word, the Eternal Word. Shake your fist at the Bible and you shake your fist at Him and His revelation of Himself.

      ‘…still promotes what its leaders and principal thinkers prefer in too many settings.’

      Pastors and teachers who proclaim what they ‘think’ are failing to rightly divide the Word of God. But thankfully there are an increasing number who are true to the Word. Often we do not like what God has to say. He is trying to get our attention! But He does not condemn us for being slow of understanding and our unwillingness to accept hard truths. He knows us better than we know ourselves. We need to be changed, we need to be regenerated. And before that can happen we need to be humble enough to admit we are sinners in the eyes of God and repent. We deserve nothing – but He pours out His forgiveness, mercy and redeeming love on us through His grace. I’m speaking from experience.

      If I may say so, your judgment against Scripture is blinding you to the message of the Gospel. Jesus did not come to leave us as we are, but to radically turn us around 180deg from the direction we were heading – the wide gate and the wide path. God loves mankind so much that He sent His only Son who took our sins upon Himself, suffering and dying for our sins and imputing His righteousness on all those who truly believe. Once you accept this astonishing truth all your bitterness against others will fade away. All you need to do is to look on Him in repentance and be saved.

      • Ernie says

        Mar 22, 2015 at 11:45 am

        So it is Deja Vu , you explain your point beautifully , Amen !

  2. Sally Archer says

    Mar 20, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    To augment the comment above — For the academic geeks like me, yes I know that Mohammed and Paul may not have actually written all or most or perhaps even any of what is attributed to them in the koran and the bible.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Mar 20, 2015 at 11:57 pm

      Hello Sally —

      Thanks for making an essential point on the violent essence of Islam’s Allah — which is of course the fictional idea of a human who WAS NOT IN TOUCH WITH OUR DIVINE CREATOR.

      “Bloodthirsty” is the perfect word for Muhammad’s intent, will and mind after he fled Mecca — going to Medina — then projecting his fears and defensiveness into a concept of “God”

      That should be plain to anyone with even a small amount of wisdom or insight, but the extent to which hundreds of millions of Muslims apparently truly believe it astonishes my ancient brain.

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 11:44 am

        #Bloodthirsty” is the perfect word for Muhammad’s intent…..

        Prophet tries to stops killing innocent people:

        Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4399
        It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Muti’ who heard from his father and said: I heard the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) say on the day of the Conquest of Mecca: No Quraishite will be killed hound hand and foot from this day until the Day of judgment.
        Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 3142
        Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him) reported. When Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, granted Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) victory over Mecca, he stood before people and praised and extolled Allah and then said:…………it (this territory) was not violable to anyone before me and it was made violable to me for an hour of a day, and it shall not be violable to anyone after me. So neither molest the game, nor weed out thorns from it. And it is not lawful for anyone to pick up a thing dropped but one who makes public announcement of it. And it a relative of anyone is killed he is entitled to opt for one of two things. Either he should be paid blood-money or he can take life as (a just retribution).
        Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3506
        God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.
        Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 122
        Narrated Jarir:
        The Prophet said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida’: Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).”
        Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5689
        …………..I am not afraid that you would associate anything with Allah after me, but I am afraid that you may be (allured) by the world and (vie) with one another (in possessing material wealth) and begin killing one another, and you would be destroyed as were destroyed those who had gone before you. ‘Uqba said that that was the last occasion that he saw Allah’s Massenger on the pulpit.
        Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 112
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 19

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm

          Muhammad calculated his options.

          Muhammad butchered 900 Jews in Medina because he could get away with it.
          Muhammad made a truce in Mecca because feared the consequence if he did not.

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 9:43 pm

          The meretricious shabeer_hassan wrote:

          #Bloodthirsty” is the perfect word for Muhammad’s intent…..

          Prophet tries to stops killing innocent people
          ………………………………….

          If shabeer hassan really believed this bullsh*t, wouldn’t he be desperately trying to convince his own bloodthirsty coreligionists of this, rather than spamming the good Infidels at Jihad Watch?

          But notice he does not have one word of criticism for the bloody Jihadists murdering innocent people in Tunisia.

          More:

          Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4399
          It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. Muti’ who heard from his father and said: I heard the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) say on the day of the Conquest of Mecca: No Quraishite will be killed hound hand and foot from this day until the Day of judgment.
          ………………………………….

          Notice that shabeer hassan is fine with bloody Muslim conquest—and how could he not be, and still be a pious Muslim? Muhammed’s only prohibition is on killing Qurashites, because this was the “Prophet’s” own tribe. He had no such reservations about murdering other people, such as beheading the entire male population of the Banu Qurayza over the age of puberty (he enslaved the women and children).

          More:

          Muslim :: Book 7 : Hadith 3142
          Abu Huraira, (Allah be pleased with him) reported. When Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, granted Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) victory over Mecca, he stood before people and praised and extolled Allah and then said:…………it (this territory) was not violable to anyone before me and it was made violable to me for an hour of a day, and it shall not be violable to anyone after me.
          ………………………………….

          Note what Muhammed is saying here—that it is fine for he *himself* to violate Mecca. This has more to do with the “Prophet’s” own violence than his trying to prevent that of others.

          More:

          Muslim :: Book 9 : Hadith 3506
          God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.
          ………………………………….

          Does shabeer hassan believe we are stupid? This Hadith has *nothing* to do with Muhammed condemning violence—instead, it is about a companion of his slapping a woman around, and his laughing about it:

          “Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported:
          …Then came ‘Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat ‘Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Prophet (ﷺ) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter ofKhadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah’s Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money…God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.”

          This is an admonishment to wives not to bother their husbands, and warning them that they can be beaten for it. He is “not harsh” to the wife beaters. You can read the entire Hadith here:

          http://sunnah.com/muslim/18/39

          More:

          Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 122
          Narrated Jarir:
          The Prophet said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida’: Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).”
          Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5689
          …………..I am not afraid that you would associate anything with Allah after me, but I am afraid that you may be (allured) by the world and (vie) with one another (in possessing material wealth) and begin killing one another, and you would be destroyed as were destroyed those who had gone before you. ‘Uqba said that that was the last occasion that he saw Allah’s Massenger on the pulpit.
          ………………………………….

          This is warning for pious Muslims not to murder *each other*. Slaughtering Infidels and lax Muslims—as here—is considered completely Halal.

          Why does shabeer hassan even bother with his ham-fisted Taqiyya here?

        • shabeer_hassan says

          Mar 22, 2015 at 2:00 am

          #Jay Boo
          Jew broken the agreement /forgive the Jew
          33:26 And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture[Jew] from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts [so that] a party [i.e., their men] you killed, and you took captive a party [i.e., the women and children].
          2:100. Is it not (the case) that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside? Nay! the truth is most of them believed not.
          Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 50 :: Hadith 890
          5: 13. So because of their breach of their covenant[bond/agreement], We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al¬Muhsinûn Muslim paid the Jew for their property:
          Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 50 :: Hadith 890
          Malik :: Book 45 : Hadith 45.5.19
          Jew Punished with reason:
          Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 15,16,18,23,24,
          Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 51 :: Hadith 9
          Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 45 :: Hadith 687
          Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 41 :: Hadith 596
          Malik :: Book 41 : Hadith 41.1.1
          Jew never killed without evidence:
          Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 302
          Malik :: Book 44 : Hadith 44.1.1 ,44.1.2

          @GRAVE
          #he does not have one word of criticism for the bloody Jihadists murdering innocent people in Tunisia……..

          PLZ CHECK MY POST HERE I AM CRITICIZING /ACTING AGAINST THE ISIS/BOKO ,ETC ,KILLING INNOCENT PPL IS NOT SUITED FOR HUMAN BEING ,ITS MADNESS & PUNISHABLE OOFENCE…….
          Death punishment for killers: Qisas (i.e. equality in punishment)
          2: 178. O you who believe! Al-Qisâs (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives, etc.) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money, to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment.

          #“Prophet’s” own tribe. He had no such reservations about murdering other people….

          60:8. Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
          60: 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).

          GRAVE I THINK U NOW UNDESTAND THE ISLAMIC STAND FOR THE PUNISHMENT ………….

          Prohibit killing non Muslim with peace agreement:
          8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
          9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
          4: 90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.
          91. You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 12:21 am

      Sally, I’m amazed. You think Paul was a “messed up dude” in a vein similar to Muhammad? Consider this:

      “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.” (1 Corinthians 13:4-7)

      This is “messed up” ???… on a par with the Quran’s verses about killing the infidels? Would you please tell me where I can find a description of love in the Quran so I can more easily see the similarities ???… because right now I’m not. Please remove the scales from my eyes.

      • Beagle says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 2:16 am

        There are no similar passages on love for humanity in the Quran. Sadly that is reality. I read the entire book years ago and have never stopped quoting it since. Moral relativism is a hobgoblin of the mind. Making fine, or here glaring, distinctions is one critical key to learning.

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 11:46 am

        Quran’s verses about killing the infidels?

        Prohibit killing with unjust:
        3:21. Verily! Those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, announce to them a painful torment.
        5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
        6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.

        17: 33. And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
        25: 68. And those who invoke not any other ilâh (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
        49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
        Not to join anything in worship along with Allah, (2) Not to steal, (3) Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, (4) Not to kill your children, (5) Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people), (6) Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deeds.

        Killing innocent people prohibited:
        49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
        17:33. and do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
        Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
        Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 93 :: Hadith 611,623
        Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 10 , 12,21
        Killing innocent is a symbol of ignorance [lack of religious knowledge]:
        Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
        Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.

        • Jay Boo says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm

          Those who disbelieved in — (al-Lat and al-Uzza And Manat)
          made a mockery of Muhammad the prophet mushrikeen in verse 53:19.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm

          I have read all this stuff before, Shabeer. It does not describe the word “love” for me. Your god says to favor those who believe in it and follow its set of rules, but your god also says to kill Christians, Jews and all “infidels” wherever you find them .. without specifying time limitations . I see no mention of patience or instructions to be slow to anger. Your god says to be harsh to unbelievers when you meet them.

          Furthermore, please place the Quran’s verses in order of revelation to Muhammad for me. The Quran was “revealed” to Muhammad over a period of about twenty years. Why, if love is patient and understanding, do the verses grow ever more harsh and intolerant toward unbelievers as time progresses in order of revelation? The Quran is a mixed up mess which is out of order chronologically and the total meaning is easily misunderstood. I can interpret your “holy” book however best suits me (as have you) ….. and this is the way Muhammad intended it to be because he wanted justification for all of his worldly desires.

          The scales are on not on my eyes, Shabeer, but yours. My eyes see more clearly and improve with each passing day now that I am studying the differences between my God and your god. There is only one Truth which exists regardless of our ability to see it. I have come to see that your “truth” is a lie.

        • RIco Suave says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 3:19 pm

          Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

          Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

          Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

          http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

          Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”.

          Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

          Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

          Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

          Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives”.

          Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…”

          Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

          Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

          Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

          Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah” .

          Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

          Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

          Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

          Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

          Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

          Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”

          Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.”

          Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
          Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

          Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.”

          Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”

          Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

          Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

          Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”

          Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

          Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”

          Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

          Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

          Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…”

          Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”

          Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”

          Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”

          Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.”

          Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves”

          Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “battle array” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.”

          Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn (Eternity) ”

          Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.”

        • gravenimage says

          Mar 21, 2015 at 10:17 pm

          More spam from shabeer_hassan:

          Quran’s verses about killing the infidels?

          Prohibit killing with unjust:
          3:21. Verily! Those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and kill the Prophets without right, and kill those men who order just dealings, announce to them a painful torment.
          5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land!.
          ……………………………………..

          This is not telling Muslims not to kill people. Instead, it is *confirmation* that Muslims may murder Infidels.

          Note that he does not include the next verse, Qur’an 5:33:

          “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,”

          Far from prohibiting violence, this is *threatening it*. Note that “waging war against Allah and His Messenger” can mean nothing more than non-violently resisting Muslim conquest, and “spreading corruption in the land” can mean nothing more than criticizing Muhammed’s violence.

          More:

          Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
          …………………………………….

          What shabeer hassan will not tell you is that murdering Infidels purely for being Infidels is *not* forbidden. What these Jihadists did in murdering museum-goers was completely Islamic.

          More:

          17: 33. And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islamic law).
          …………………………………….

          Again, such bloodshed is *not* forbidden in Islam—rather, it is urged.

          More:

          25: 68. And those who invoke not any other ilâh (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
          …………………………………….

          More of the same.

          More:

          49: 6. O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.
          …………………………………….

          Why is this in here—it’s completely off-topic. More proof that shabeer hassan is just spamming.

          More:

          Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 320
          Not to join anything in worship along with Allah, (2) Not to steal, (3) Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse, (4) Not to kill your children, (5) Not to accuse an innocent person (to spread such an accusation among people), (6) Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deeds.
          …………………………………….

          Will shabeer hassan let us know that such “good deeds” include *murdering Infidels*? Of course not.

          More:

          Do not steal from the booty,
          …………………………………….

          This is just an admonishing to Muslims not to steal the booty *from other Muslims* that they have stolen from Infidels in violent Jihad. And recall that this booty includes slaves and sex slaves.

          How can shabeer hassan not understand that he is just showing how ugly Islam truly is?

        • shabeer_hassan says

          Mar 22, 2015 at 2:12 am

          @RIco Suave & GRAVE
          Jihad declare only the people who broken the agreement/mischief land/terrorism/injustice

          PROTECTING PEOPLE PROPERTY,BLOOD,ASSET,AS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY PERSON ,QURAN ORDERED JIHAD (WITH WEPON) AGAINST THE ENEMY WHO COME TO THE ISLAMIC STATE WITH THE INTENTION OF KILLING ,LOOTING,RAPING,WITH THE HATE OF MUSLIM & THEIR PPL
          60: 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).
          42: 42. The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.
          9: 12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish – pagans of Makah) – for surely their oaths are nothing to them – so that they may stop (evil actions).
          9:13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
          4: 75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and rise for us from You one who will protect, and rise for us from You one who will help.”
          5: 33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
          42: 39. And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend
          themselves.[ avenge themselves in a just manner, restoring their rights and not

    • ken koeder says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 10:16 am

      mohamhead was illiterate therefore he didnt write the koran at all, as for the
      apostle Paul? he was educated in the finest schools then available, and the internal evidence of his writing in the Bible is plainly evident

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      Intentionally Totally off topic

      • Jay Boo says

        Mar 21, 2015 at 7:32 pm

        in reference to
        Sally Archer comment

        Sally said

        “To augment the comment above — For the academic geeks like me, yes I know that Mohammed and Paul may not have actually written all or most or perhaps even any of what is attributed to them in the koran and the bible.”

  3. Linde Barrera says

    Mar 21, 2015 at 12:06 am

    Sally, I think what you wrote is fine and I agree with much of it. But I have to comment about Paul a/k/a Saul. He was a Roman citizen and Jewish man in authority, persecuting Christians. The Holy Spirit appeared to him on the road (to Damascus, I think) and called out “Saul, why do you persecute me?” Then Saul lost his sight for several (3?) days. When the days were over, Saul became Paul. He traveled to Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Syria, and other places. He sang hymns of joy to the Lord while he was imprisoned in an underground dungeon, about 50 feet from a sewer line. He was beheaded because Roman citizens were not allowed to be crucified. I don’t understand how you can make a comparison between Paul and the so called prophet Mohammed. (The one thing Mohammed said which is true in my opinion is “War is deceit.”)

  4. Joseph says

    Mar 21, 2015 at 12:51 am

    The books of the New Testament were written by men who were INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
    To say what these men wrote is “messed up” is walking on dangerous ground.
    I agree that these men were not perfect, in fact they admit it themselves. That is part of the beauty of it.
    These writers admit that they fall short of the glory of God and that ONLY with the help of God can they lead better lives. They encourage us to ask for GOD’S help to seek the light and shun darkness.

    WHAT IS MESSED UP WITH THAT??

    Paul had the courage to change from a persecutor of CHRIST to one of his best champions.
    DO YOU OR ANY OF US(me included) HAVE THE COURAGE TO BE LIKE PAUL?

  5. duh_swami says

    Mar 21, 2015 at 5:58 am

    Religion…’Everyone knows more about it than you do, give them a chance and they will tell you all about it’…Rev Hensley…

    My daughter is an anthropologist who does museum work…over here, not over there…but if she became a victim of workplace violence, I’m going to take that persona;l…very personal…

  6. Karen says

    Mar 21, 2015 at 9:50 am

    Oh dear, someone has hijacked Islam again.

  7. shabeer_hassan says

    Mar 21, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    TWO VERSES FOR WHO THE PPL DISTROY INNOCENT PPL & OTHERS

    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,

    22:40. those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: “Our Lord is Allah.” – For had it not been that Allah checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allah is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily, Allah will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty.

    BIBLE
    NEW TESTMENT/JESUS AGREED OLD TESTMENT
    All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
    All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
    Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17
    OLD SAYS
    Adoni-bezek said, “I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them.” They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)
    The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
    This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

    • Jay Boo says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      In all fairness, Muslims have no other choice but to kill.
      Their only other choice is to admit that their lives as Muslims is filled with meaningless emptiness as they stare helplessly into the pit of darkness and buffoonery posing as a religion all because Muhammad wanted to satisfy his uncontrolled lust for blood and sex.

      No wonder Muslims love death.
      Who can blame them for wanting to die?

    • deja vu says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      Shabeer, no matter how many verses you quote, you only confuse the matter. The more ‘peaceful’ verses of the Qur’an are abrogated by the violent ones. That the whole thing is not arranged chronolgically only serves to muddy the waters. The facts of history are the Mohammed started out peacefully enough but, when thwarted, became a brutal warlord. Where did that impetus come from – Allah? Some Muslims do not regard the Hadith as inspired and disregard them. If your faith is from God, can you explain why most Muslims are killed by other Muslims?

      ‘All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.’

      Secondly, you quote from the Bible without knowledge or understanding. Jesus did not come to abolish the Ten Commandments, but to put them into practice, thus showing His followers how they should live. The passage from Luke 16 confirms that it is God’s inviolate word to His people. Can you point out the ‘vicious’ laws in the 10 Commandments?

      All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

      Correct. But read it slowly. It is also for refutation and correction of error as well as for teaching and training in righteousness. Unfortunately, because you lack understanding of this important point, you also lack understanding that the battles, wars and conquests of ancient peoples, tribes and nations, is the narration of the history of the Israelites. It is, therefore *descriptive* – it is emphatically NOT prescriptive – that is, ordering Christians to do the same. If you can get just this one fact straight, you’ll be doing well. Next, perhaps it will dawn on you that Christians are believers in, and followers of, Jesus Christ who came to fulfill the Ten Commandments. And after that, perhaps you will begin to understand why the land of Israel is, and has always been, God’s chosen land for the Jews and to leave them in peace.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 10:04 pm

      Shabeer, are you working on putting those verses of the Quran in chronological order for me? You know, I’m really not impressed by the quotes you provide above. “Do not steal from the booty?” Yeah, right. How about do not take any booty in the first place? That would be a real showing of love … but I know …. you do not comprehend what I mean by love. Too bad. I do hope you will keep trying though … especially when it comes to convincing the jihadist-minded people.
      Next, “Allah is all powerful and all mighty and will help those who help his cause?” What cause? Killing off Judaism, Christianity and just plain killing off “infidels?” You are going to have to come up with something better than that, Shabeer.

      As for you Old Testament quotes, give me a break. Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end of all things …….. including the law. You need to study up more about Jesus, the Christ, the Son of God ……. the one who paid the law’s required price in blood for your sins and mine and for all humanity, the living the dead ……. and those yet to be born. I hope you will someday come to understand that. In the meantime, keep working on putting the Quran in its proper chronological order. I hope it’s fun and also enlightening for you. Peace.

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Mar 22, 2015 at 2:24 am

        @Do not steal from the booty…..

        GENERLY/NATURUALLY NON MUSLIM TERRORIST COME TO THE STATE OF ISLAM FOR LOOTING/KILLING ,THEY R FIGHTING IN THE WAY OS SATAN & THEY R COWARDS,WHEN THEY MEET THE COURAGIOUS MUSLIM,THEY STARTING FIGHTING WITH MUSLIM,WHEN THEY LOSE THEIR MEN ,THEY RUN AWAY FROM THE BATTLE FIELD ,LEAVE THEIR WAR EQUIPMENT THERE,ISLAMIC LAW SAYS MUSLIM SOLDIER HAS NO RIGHT TO TAKE BOOTY FOR THEIR WISHES ,ITS EQUALLY DIVIDED ,ONE PART OF IT SEND TO CHARITY……THAT WAY PROPHET SAYS ‘ DO NOT STEAL FROM BOOTY ‘ ,

        @ Jesus Christ is the beginning and the end of all things ……..

        THAT JUST U’R OPENION ,NOT JUSUS ,HE SAYS Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.Matthew 5:17

        HERE WHO R TRUSFUL PERSON,THAT I BELIVE U OR MATTHEW

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Mar 22, 2015 at 9:45 am

          Yes, Jesus came to fulfill the law, Shabeer. He did fulfill it with His death on the cross and His resurrection from the tomb. By this He ended the old law and established a new law … one much easier to follow. All you have to do is accept what He has done for you and follow His new and easier conditions. If you do, eternal life awaits you. Please learn more about the real Jesus, the Christ, and put aside the lies which you have been told about Him from the false prophet Muhammad. I know in your heart you are a person looking for God, Shabeer, or you would not be so intent on convincing people about the love you think exists in Islam. But you have been deceived and I hope you come to realize this.

          I am sorry if I have seemed to be mocking you. My intent is to mock Islam and unfortunately you identify with it. I am sad to think of how you have been brainwashed into your way of thinking, perhaps from birth. I hope God will bless you with the gift of opening your eyes the same way He did St. Paul’s, a man who started out denying Christ but later came to be one his greatest champions. You can trust what I say in this Shabeer: I try to live the way Christ would want me to live but I often fail. Nevertheless, I know He forgives me whenever I am truly sorry for my failings and ask over and over for His help to keep trying to do better. Unlike your Allah, Christ’s patience and love are endless.

          I hope God gives you the time you need to find the Truth, Shabeer. I think your path to finding it and true peace will be traumatic for you but keep trying to learn more about Christ and you will not be denied what you seek. Whether you believe me or not, I wish you well on your journey through this world. I hope we will meet as friends in the next one. Peace.

    • gravenimage says

      Mar 21, 2015 at 10:29 pm

      shabeer hassan’s trying to convince us that it is Judaism and Christianity that are truly violent, while Islam is peaceful, on a thread where his foul coreligionists have butchered 21 people and clearly intended to kill many more is just perverse.

      And this is just one atrocity of the over 25,000 Jihad terror attacks just since 9/11. No Jew or Christian is doing anything like this.

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