“We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat.” They don’t want anti-terror laws. What will be the result of not having anti-terror laws? More jihad terror. Note also that “Dilly Hussain, a spokesman for the group, said the list of 62 signatories included moderate Islamic thinkers alongside names he acknowledged were considered ‘controversial,'” and some of the “moderates” involved include Musharraf Hussain, an adviser to the vaunted Quilliam Foundation. People linked to the Quilliam Foundation and Hizb ut-Tahrir making common cause. How interesting.
Where have we ever seen a Muslim organization honestly committed to countering jihad terror and stamping it out? Instead, all we get, even from “moderates,” is endless complaining about counter-terror measures.
“British Muslims condemn terror laws for creating ‘witch-hunt’ against Islam,” by Alexandra Topping, Nishaat Ismail, Shiv Malik, the Guardian, March 11, 2015:
Anti-Muslim rhetoric and “endless ‘anti-terror’ laws” are in danger of creating a McCarthyite witch-hunt against Muslims, according to the signatories of a strongly worded public statement, who include several controversial figures.
The statement accuses the government of “criminalising” Islam and trying to silence “legitimate critique and dissent”, and decries what it describes as “the ongoing demonisation of Muslims in Britain [and] their values, as well as prominent scholars, speakers and organisations.”
Signatories of the statement include Moazzam Begg, director of outreach for Cage, the organisation that came under fire last week after it sought to explain the radicalisation of Isis killer Mohammed Emwazi. Members of Islamist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir, which is banned in several countries including Germany, have also signed the statement.
It comes after it was revealed earlier this week that the Home Office is planning a “more assertive” stance against extremism, with a series of measures including imposing penalties on benefit claimants who do not learn English and making visa applicants commit themselves to “British values”.
The statement, seen by the Guardian, reads: “We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat. The latest act of parliament, the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act, threatens to create a ‘McCarthyite’ witch-hunt against Muslims, with nursery workers, schoolteachers and universities expected to look out for signs of increased Islamic practice as signs of ‘radicalisation.”
The signatories state that the “Muslim issue” is being exploited for political capital in the runup to the general election.
“Exploiting public fears about security is as dishonourable as exploiting public fears about immigration,” the statement reads. “Both deflect attention from crises in the economy and health service, but are crude and divisive tactics, where the big parties inevitably try to outdo each other in their nastiness.”
Jahangir Mohammed, director of the Centre for Muslim Affairs, said the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act had made the entire Muslim community feel targeted. “Counter-terrorism policies are flawed and alienating,” he said. “This approach is not working and actually backfiring. The entire Muslim community is being blamed for the actions of a violent few and as a result Muslims in Britain feel marginalised.”
He added that the Act would legitimise public servants’ suspicions of Muslims and their beliefs and political views. “This goes against equality policies that state individuals should not be discriminated due to their political and religious beliefs,” he said. “It will serve to destroy good community relations that have been built over many years and will treat Muslims as a suspect community.”
Asked if he thought the statement could backfire, he added: “There are those who may want to look at it in a bad light, but in general Muslims are not worried about this: they are very angry and frustrated with the current climate and policies, which target the Muslim community, and want their voices heard.”
The list of signatories also include the high-profile Muslim converts Yvonne Ridley and Cherie Blair’s half-sister, Lauren Booth, as well as academic Dr Reza Pankhurst, who is a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir and spent four years in an Egyptian jail for trying to recruit others to the group’s cause in 2002.
Another signatory is Shakeel Begg, the imam of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, which was attended by the Woolwich killers, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, in the months leading up to attack on Drummer Lee Rigby.
The statement goes on to criticise “the continued public targeting of Muslims through endless ‘anti-terror’ laws,” adding that there have been 10 such pieces of legislation since the year 2000. Such legislation gives “huge power to the state”, while fuelling “media hysteria”, it claims.
The group states that the use of words such as “radicalisation” and “extremism” prevents debate, adding that it is “unacceptable to label as ‘extremist’ numerous normative Islamic opinions on a variety of issues”.
Dilly Hussain, a spokesman for the group, said the list of 62 signatories included moderate Islamic thinkers alongside names he acknowledged were considered “controversial”. He pointed to the likes of Arzu Merali of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, and Musharraf Hussain , chief executive and chief imam of the Karimia Institute and an adviser to the Quilliam Foundation.
Asked why the mainstream Muslim Council of Britain, which could not immediately be contacted for a statement, were not signatories, Hussain said that members of the MCB were signatories, but because the organisation itself represents 500 mosques with different opinions, that made it difficult for the MCB to sign such a statement.
Tauqir Ishaq, a senior spokesman for Muslim Action Forum (MAF), which organised a rally of thousands of British Muslims protesting against cartoons showing the prophet Muhammad, said Muslims were feeling frustrated and disillusioned.
“People are being asked to compromise their faith and many feel there is no alternative here. The current environment has contributed to issues like young people leaving to go to Syria,” he said.
Ishaq added that he had been working on deradicalising people for a number of years, but that the government’s counter-terrorism legislation and Prevent strategy had pushed extremism underground. “Raiding mosques and investigating charities is not the way to tackle extremism,” he said. “Every Muslim is being treated with suspicion and heavy-handed tactics are being used against them. Celebrities like Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter do not represent all British celebrities: why then do a minority of individuals who do something wrong become a representation of the entire Islamic faith?”
The combative statement declares a “concern about peace and security for all”, but adds: “We, however, refuse to be lectured on peace-building and harmony by a government that plays divisive politics and uses fear to elicit uncertainty in the general public, whilst maintaining support for dictators across the Muslim world, who continue to brutalise and legitimate political opposition to their tyranny.”
The statement in full reads:
Muslim community rejects the state’s criminalisation of Islam and condemns moves to silence legitimate critique and dissent. This joint statement expresses a position with respect to the ongoing demonisation of Muslims in Britain, their values as well as prominent scholars, speakers and organisations.
We, the undersigned imams, sheikhs, advocates, activists, community leaders, community organisations and student bodies of the Muslim community, make the following points in this regard:
1) We reject the exploitation of Muslim issues and the ‘terror threat’ for political capital, in particular in the runup to a general election. Exploiting public fears about security is as dishonourable as exploiting public fears about immigration.
Both deflect attention from crises in the economy and health service, but are crude and divisive tactics, where the big parties inevitably try to outdo each other in their nastiness.
2) We deplore the continued public targeting of Muslims through endless ‘anti-terror’ laws. There have been around 10 pieces of legislation since the year 2000, all giving huge powers to the state, which have fuelled a media hysteria even though in most cases no crime was committed. This has created a distressing and harmful backlash towards Muslims, especially women and children.
3) We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat. The latest act of arliament, the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act, threatens to create a ‘McCarthyite’ witch-hunt against Muslims, with nursery workers, schoolteachers and universities expected to look out for signs of increased Islamic practice as signs of ‘radicalisation’. Such a narrative will only further damage social cohesion as it incites suspicion and ill feeling in the broader community.
4) The expedient use of undefined and politically charged words like ‘radicalisation’ and ‘extremism’ is unacceptable as it criminalises legitimate political discourse and criticism of the stance of successive governments towards Muslims domestically and abroad. We strongly oppose political proposals to further ‘tackle’ and ‘crack down’ on such dissenting voices in the Muslim community despite their disavowal of violence and never having supported terrorist acts.
5) Similarly, it is unacceptable to label as ‘extremist’ numerous normative Islamic opinions on a variety of issues, founded on the Qur’an and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), implying there is a link between them and violence, using such labels as an excuse to silence speakers.
6) We affirm our commitment to robust political and ideological debate and discourse for the betterment of humanity at large. The attempts by the state to undermine this bring into question its commitment to its very own purported values and liberal freedoms.
7) We affirm our concern about peace and security for all. We, however, refuse to be lectured on peace-building and harmony by a government that plays divisive politics and uses fear to elicit uncertainty in the general public, whilst maintaining support for dictators across the Muslim world, who continue to brutalise and legitimate political opposition to their tyranny.
8) We affirm our intention to hold on to our beliefs and values, to speak out for what is right and against what is wrong based on our principles, whether that be on matters such as the securitisation of society, corporate hegemony, war and peace, economic exploitation, social and moral issues in society, nationalism and racism. Not to do so would be dangerous and leave our community unguided.
9) We call on all fair-minded people in Britain – including politicians, journalists, academics, bloggers and others concerned about fairness for all – to continue to scrutinise the scare tactics, fear-mongering and machinations of politicians, which do not bode well for societal harmony and only increase the alienation felt and experienced by Britain’s Muslim community.
It is time that politicians stop diverting the attention of the British public away from its domestic crises and disastrous foreign policies by repeatedly playing the ‘Muslim’ or ‘national security’ card.
Signed:
1. Abdurraheem Green, iERA
2. Anjum Anwar, teacher/chair of Woman’s Voice
3. Arzu Merali, Islamic Human Rights Commission
4. Dr Abdul Wahid, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Britain
5. Dr Musharraf Hussain, CEO and chief imam, Karimia Institute
6. Dr Reza Pankhurst, author and academic
7. Dr Saeed Al-Gadi, presenter at Islam Channel
8. Dr Shahrul Hussain, Birmingham
9. Dr Uthman Lateef, Hittin Insitute
10. Hodan Yusuf, journalist
11. Ibrahim Hewitt, Leicester
12. Ibtihal Bsis, barrister, broadcaster, Hizb ut-Tahrir
13. Imam Abdul Wahhab, east London
14. Imam Abdul-Malik Sheikh, imam and khatib, London
15. Imam Abdul Mateen, east London
16. Imam Aziz Ibraheem, Iman Trust Community Centre, St Helens
17. Imam Irfan Patel, Jamiah Masjid, Gillingham
18. Imam Shakeel Begg, Lewisham Islamic Centre
19. Jahangir Mohammed, Centre for Muslim Affairs
20. Lauren Booth, journalist
21. Mahmud Choudhury, secretary, Poplar Shahjalal Masjid
22. Massoud Shadjareh, Islamic Human Rights Commission
23. Moazzam Begg, director of Outreach, Cage
24. Muhammad Mustaqeem Shah, Al-Mustaqeem Centre, Bradford
25. Shaikh Abu Abdissalam, London
26. Shaikh Haitham Haddad, MRDF
27. Shaikh Haitham Tamim, chairman of the Utrujj Foundation
28. Shaikh Khaled Fekry, imam, London
29. Shaikh Omer Hamdoon, Muslim Association of Britain
30. Shaikh Sulaiman Gani, south London
31. Shaikh Zuber Karim, Intelligence Finance Consultancy
32. Shaikh Tauqir Ishaq, CEO, Hijaaz College
33. Ustadh Kamal Abu Zahra, lecturer on Islamic studies, London
34. Yusuf Chambers, freelance community activist
35. Yusuf Patel, SRE Islamic
36. Azad Ali, Muslim Safety Forum
37. Asghar Bukhari, Muslim Public Affairs Committee, UK
38. Roshan Muhammad Salih, broadcaster and journalist
39. Ghulam Haydar, director, Myriad Foundation
40. Shoaib Khalid Bhatti, Muslim Lobby, Scotland
41. Dr Daud Abdullah, British Muslim Initiative
42. Shaikh Chokri Majoli, imam, London
43. Yvonne Ridley, vice-president, European Muslim League
44. Muhammad Shofiq, Ramadan Foundation, Rochdale
45. Hasan Al Katib, journalist
46. Mazhar Khan, Manchester Muslim Forum
47. Saaqib Abu Ishaaq, Project Medinah, Rochdale
48. Omar Ali, chair, Brighton and Hove Muslim Community
49. Sofia Ahmed, Muslim Women Against Femen
50. Nalini Naidoo, Newham Muslim Women’s Association
51. Irfan Hussain, Bradford Dawah Centre
52. Leyla Habibti, humanitarian activist
53. Tasmin Nazeer, freelance journalist
54. Ali Anees, Eccles Mosque
55. Saeed Akhtar, Cheadle Mosque
56. Yousef Dar, Community Safety Forum, Manchester
57. Dr Shameel Islam-Zulfiqar, humanitarian campaigner
58. Majid Freem, humanitarian aid worker, friend of Alan Henning
59. Laura Stuart, humanitarian aid worker, journalist and activist
60. Fatima Barkatula, scholar and director of Seeds of Change
61. Ibrahim Kala, Bolton Council of Mosques
KrazyKafir says
Jihad’s anesthesiologists.
Kakodaemon says
*like*
Mohammed Zuqzdiq says
Jihad’s proctologists
shrugger says
The thing is, McCarthy was right. He merely went about it the wrong way.
Fool says
McCarthy was so right. We need at least that today. Muslims are any countries nightmare for even a small part of the population. It’s still difficult to grasp that a Kenyan loyal dual citizen Muslim and many ambitious Muslim Brotherhood operatives walk the corridors day and night. It’s beginning to sound and feel “Papa Docesque”.
PRCS says
“endless complaining about counter-terror measures”.
And excuses.
And obfuscations.
And ‘fears’ of ‘backlash’
And outright lies about those specific Qur’an passages which drive THEIR belief that THEY are the best of peoples and that the rest of us are ‘the vilest of created beings’, and THEIR belief that we are supposed to acquiesce to THEIR ‘divinely’ mandated commands and demands.
Etc.
Firebug says
1.) Abdurraheem Green, iERA – Terrorist sympathiser
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1435557.htm
2.) Anjum Anwar – Taqiyya practitioner.
http://www.salaam.co.uk/muslimsinbritain/?p=1119
3.) Arzu Merali, Islamic Human Rights Commission – IRHC supports Hezbollah.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/24356/hezbollah-cells-await-irans-orders/
4.) Dr Abdul Wahid, Hizb-ut-tahrir. – Muslim Brotherhood ‘Lite’
https://archive.today/20120525084606/http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070301faessay86208/robert-s-leiken-steven-brooke/the-moderate-muslim-brotherhood.html
5.) Dr Musharraf Hussain, CEO and chief imam, Karimia Institute – Anti Western values, specifically freedom of speech.
http://www.karimia.com/2015/denunciation-of-cartoons-depicting-the-blessed-prophet-of-islam/
Ok, so I’ve quickly googled five of these ‘signatories’. I must say, they all look like terrorists to me..
Would be nice if our ‘Press’ did a little more research on what they publish.
Ken D says
The group states that the use of words such as “radicalization” and “extremism” prevent debate, adding that it is “unacceptable to label as “extremist” numerous normative Islamic opinions on a variety of issues”.
Thus we have “moderates” willing to sign a document which also appeals to “extremists”.
No big surprise here.
Joseph says
@Shabeer & ALL Muslim trolls
Before you post here. GO __UCK YOURSELVES. Your posts are unwanted. You seem to want dialog, but you refuse to reply to responses to your posts. You only want to sow seeds of evil. You and your prophet Mohammed(MHABFR)(may his anus be forever raped) are FULL OF SHIT.
JUST GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!
mariam rove says
Don’t worry! They will be back! they are shameless to say the least. I responded to you question as well. M
Joseph says
@mariam rove
Thank You for your time & response. You are a breath of fresh air.
cs says
We have to be all accepting and must embrace terrorism, otherwise is bigotry and fear mongering. And the actual terror acts they perpetrate is just our imagination.
Someone is wrong here, is either them or us, if with 5% of them here, is already this crap, just imagine with 10%??
mortimer says
15% of Muslims declare support for terrorist organizations. 27% in UK declared support for the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Several hundred Muslims in UK are active undercover jihadists.
In Canada, as many as 160,000 are jihad supporters and over 200 are active jihadists ready to attack when called.
cs says
yep, i meant, they are already 5% of our population in the UK and it is this crap that BOB reports, just imagine with more of them, and of course getting bolder…
But as you know, they are the victims…
Anna says
Until there are even more of them, when they will chuck the victimization status and take- over completely. As has been in cases throughout history. And our own ” governments are ensuring they will through continuing “Immigration “( real meaning : enabling full-scale enemy infiltration/invasion )
jayell says
“We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat.” (signed, Abdurraheem Green, iERA, Anjum Anwar, teacher/chair of Woman’s Voice, Arzu Merali, Islamic Human Rights Commission (is that a joke?), Arzu Merali, Islamic Human Rights Commission (another joker!), Dr Abdul Wahid, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Britain (where did he get his doctorate?), Dr Musharraf Hussain, CEO and chief imam, Karimia Institute, Dr Reza Pankhurst, author and academic (another doctor!!! Wow!!)…….and so on and so on ad nauseam for another 54 names isn’t this getting boring. OK, friends. I am glad to see that you are clearly so embarrassed by the reputation that your ‘religion’ has earned that you have decided to reject it (er, the reputation, that is, not the ‘religion’). Just like the Nazi top brass might have imperiously rejected any suggestion of a Holocaust at Nuremberg and everyone would have of course believed them (not)! Nice (if rather arrogant, pointless and empty) gesture, but of course the hard facts say otherwise. The rest population unfortunately does not ‘reject it’ because they know jolly well that they are having to pay extra in their taxes to fund the police and MI5/6 in order to keep themselves and their families from being blown to pieces by……..I wonder who? It can’t POSSIBLY be any muslim (despite what MI5 and the police find), because these 61 people have rejected that possibility. I am SOOOOO impressed!!!!!
traci94 says
I feel sick from just reading this article. Why in the world would people be against an anti-terror law?? Maybe it targets muslims because, drumroll please, all the terror is committed by muslims. That is such a no brainer.
For a while, my husband kept saying that real change and hope will have to come from the “moderate muslims”, but I’ve come to the conclusion that there AREN’T many moderate muslims. They seem to be bitching right along with the rest of them. It seems like no matter what any one does to try to combat the real terror around us, all they do is bitch and whine and complain about unfair treatment (which I think the UK has totally bent over backward to accommodate these demanding whiners). The UK has got to get tough, which I don’t really have much hope for that, and pass some serious legislation and also just begin deporting like crazy.
PJG says
The anti-terror laws are just the coathanger on which to hang their demands for respect and status. These people benefit from terrorism, and the anti-terror laws are really not an issue for them except insofar as they can make a loud noise about themselves and their beliefs and how bad everyone else is.
Last night on the news I saw a Muslim woman going on in a similar vein. The word “money” kept coming up – rather vulger, I thought – she was after the money our government hands over to “moderate” groups who want their share of the booty which is expected after every attack or scare.
They are raiders…that’s their MO.
pumbar says
A muslim slits your throat
A moderate muslim buys the knife.
PJG says
And the Western government gives the “moderate” Muslim the money to buy the knife with.
pumbar says
Right with you there
mortimer says
Quote: “We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat.”
According to these geniuses, no government programme to teach against jihad is acceptable.
The government must do nothing, but announce its approval of terrorism or totally ignore it.
Quote: “it is unacceptable to label as ‘extremist’ numerous normative Islamic opinions on a variety of issues, founded on the Qur’an and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad…”
Of course, no Sunnite jihad doctrine is ‘extreme’…the above statement ‘normative Islamic opinions’ is as chilling as it is remarkably honest about jihad!
This statement reveals that Islamic leaders are jihadists and jihad-supporters.
somehistory says
In recent years, a muslim cleric said that there is *no logic, no reasoning* in islam. He was right.
First, they proclaim that muslims are not terrorists. And, if anyone points out any acts committed by muslims, that one is a bigot, racist or has a phobia against islam. And the perpetrator is *mentally ill, anyway.*
Second, they say Christians, Jews, and others of all other religious beliefs are terrorists.
Third, they say is and boko are not acting on true islam, but have *perverted* or *hijacked* it. They make the claim that, although there are verses in their book and writings that clearly demand hatred for everyone else, islam is peaceful and tolerant.
And the government leaders in many countries proclaim the same things.
But, whenever the governments make any effort or law against terrorism, no matter in what direction, without naming any muslim or muslim group as extreme, the muslim groups come out and complain that the laws against terror are anti-muslim.
Anything to obscure the truth about the evil beast. No matter how illogical to those they wish to fool.
The devil is never logical and neither is his beast or its image. Shine the light of truth on it for all to see and watch it scurry about.
cs says
When I talk about this, or Islam in specific, I mean, lately, some people who did not listen is starting to agree with me privately, here and there the evidence is shining strong, specially after Sam Harris discourse.
Joe Shmo says
Yes, it’s true people I’ve spoken to are far more receptive to it now, they acknowledge that there is a problem.
thomas pellow says
Unfortunately, British ‘security’ relating to the severe Islamic jihad threat inside Britain has been, and remains, far too lax.
And one reason for that is the appeasement of Islamic jihad Muslim sympathisers.
RG says
@ somehistory.
I like how you think. Touché!!!
somehistory says
Thanks! RG.
cs says
They just DON’T FU%%1N CARE. They really don’t give a toss about it. As we diminish ourselves they get stronger, and think they can push the envelope even further. Guess what? At some point it will backfire.
Boston Tea Party says
“We affirm our commitment to robust political and ideological debate and discourse for the betterment of humanity at large.”
**
Normally, I try keep my posts here reasonably articulate, sober and free from excessive hyperbole. However,…..”BWA-HA-HA-HA-HO-HO-HA…AH-HA-HA-hahahahahah”
stanley says
Lol, that list is a whos who of islamists. This mob dont do irony , eh?
pdxnag says
Are their ranks purified of any apostates? (Just as ISIS and Saudi Arabia purifies their Islamic ranks?)
No “Muslim” group could be plausibly moderate unless their numbers are anecdotally verified by having at least 50 percent apostates as members.
Edward says
These brash and tactless people have the nerve to ask of their host citizens to back off from their calculated plans of eventual domination of the British Isles. As usual, they claim the victim ploy as being the underdog. Btw, the dog existence is one their fears, of one many more innate phobia! In a way, these endless list of phobia’s spawn hate and eventually acts of terrorism as we have seen.
They suffer from these of many ( thanks to http://phobialist.com ):
Staurophobia- Fear of crosses or the crucifix and also, Papaphobia- Fear of the Pope
And under the Zoophobia categories – Fear of animals. The documentation of the Muslim’s irrational fear of the swine tells us of their fears being extend even to dead pigs….of their edible meat handling and even the advertising of the bacon that is being used in the menus of restaurants serving bacon dishes.
When is the world at large are seriously considering in STOPPING appeasement to the 1.6 billion (Muslims), who want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants — that is 7 billion of us — so that they themselves may live to their own whims?
The Doctor says
To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin – “Bacon is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
rj71 says
It would be very interesting to see how islamic countries dealt with this problem if roles were reversed…
Cynthia in California says
I think we have a clue to that. How many Muslim-dominated countries allow open worship of the Triune God in churches by Christians? Or the open worship of the Lord in synagogues by Jews?
Wellington says
“Johangir Mohammed, director of the Centre for Muslim Affairs, said the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act had made the entire Muslim community feel targeted.”
Good. The entire Muslim community in every Western nation should feel targeted because Islam is spiritual fascism and a totalitarian ideology. Just as every Neo-Nazi, KKK member, Aryan Nation member, professed anarchists, Marxists, et al. should be kept an eye on because what they adhere to would, if given free rein, destroy liberty and equality under the law, so should Muslims undergo the same kind of scrutiny. Not for nothing did Winston Churchill refer to Mein Kampf as “the new Koran.” If someone in a free society believes in an ideology, be it secular or spiritual, that would destroy freedom if given the chance (and Islam would certainly do this), then that person should be targeted, should be watched, by the powers that be in that free society. After all, free peoples need not allow, should not allow, the destruction of freedom in order to demonstrate how wonderful freedom is.
Muslims in the UK, Muslims in any Western nation, know this: You should feel targeted. You should be watched. You should be suspected. Your faith should be reviled.
Your religion is a mortal enemy of freedom and has profoundly disturbing doctrines in it, like death for apostasy. And meanwhile, many of your co-religionists have committed over 25,000 documented attacks worldwide in the name of their putrid faith just since 9/11. Your religion is horrible. Your founder was a fraud and a psychopath. Your holy book wreaks of hate (nonsense too). Oh yeah, you should feel targeted. Big time.
Charli Main says
Excellent summary of Islam and its adherents.
Islam has no system for compromise or tolerance of other religions. There is only Islam and the Muslim way of life.
The apes, pigs and sub humans, that have other beliefs, have only three options in Islamic doctrine.
Convert to Islam, live as a non citizen slave in your own land or die.
jayell says
I’m sorry, I’ve just re-read the muslims’ statement. It’s such a joke that I have to come back again!
Just a few pearls of wisdom:-
“2) We deplore the continued public targeting of Muslims through endless ‘anti-terror’ laws….This has created a distressing and harmful backlash towards Muslims, especially women and children.”…’Endless?’ Slight exaggeration, perhaps? And they’re bothered ‘distressing’ and ‘harmful’ backlash’ effects on them? What ‘distressing and harmful backlash effects? There’s hardly been any! But what about the actual ‘distressing and harmful effects’ resulting from muslim antics on 7/7, Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Keighley, Birmingham……? These never happened/weren’t ‘islamic’/don’t matter?
“3) We reject the portrayal of Muslims and the Muslim community as a security threat. The latest act of arliament,….threatens to create a ‘McCarthyite’ witch-hunt against Muslims, with nursery workers, schoolteachers and universities expected to look out for signs of increased Islamic practice as signs of ‘radicalisation’. Such a narrative will only further damage social cohesion as it incites suspicion and ill feeling in the broader community.” So they clearly commit terrorist acts but don’t want to be seen as a security threat and object to taking any responsibility for the safety of their fellow citizens. And then the old ‘social cohesion’ chestnut again. There IS no ‘social cohesion’ with muslims because of what they say, how they behave and how they dress, and it’s a bit late to start worrying about ‘inciting suspicion and ill feeling’, because they’ve already done that themselves!
“5) …..it is unacceptable to label as ‘extremist’ numerous normative Islamic opinions on a variety of issues, founded on the Qur’an and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), implying there is a link between them and violence, using such labels as an excuse to silence speakers.”…. They clearly don’t seem understand that in certain matters their ‘norm’ is our ‘extreme’, don’t seem to have noticed the openly violent utterances by some of their protégés, and they also have difficulty in understanding that they are NOT in a position to dictate what is or is not ‘acceptable’. And as for whinging about silencing their speakers, who was it who stopped Geert Wilders speaking to the UK House of Lords, I wonder? Mickey Mouse?
“6) We affirm our commitment to robust political and ideological debate and discourse for the betterment of humanity at large.” RUBBISH. They’re concerned about the betterment of muslims and humanity can go hang unless they play the Islam game…..
“7) We affirm our concern about peace and security for all” (as long they’re playing the game our way, or else we create mayhem). “We, however, refuse to be lectured on peace-building and harmony by a government that plays divisive politics and uses fear to elicit uncertainty in the general public, whilst maintaining support for dictators across the Muslim world, who continue to brutalise and legitimate political opposition to their tyranny.” (a) Muslims appear to be inherently incapable of peace-building and harmony, so there’s no point ‘lecturing them’, although they seem to think they have some right to ‘lecture’ everyone else on whatever issue. (b) Which leaders in the muslim world AREN’T brutal dictators?
“8) We affirm our intention to hold on to our beliefs and values, to speak out for what is right and against what is wrong based on our principles,……” So who’s stopped them doing this? They’ve got a right to their opinions, whether or not any one else takes any notice is another matter.
“9) We call on all fair-minded people in Britain….. to continue to scrutinise the scare tactics, fear-mongering and machinations of politicians, which do not bode well for societal harmony and only increase the alienation felt and experienced by Britain’s Muslim community.”….Well, we ARE fair-minded, it’s our best-known British characteristic, and we ARE ‘scrutinising the scare tactics and fear mongering’, and we’ve come to the conclusion that it’s all perfectly reasonable and based on the well-documented track-record of the behaviour of the muslim community in the UK to date; and it also explains why the muslim community might be feeling ‘alienated’, because they have through their behaviour and their utterances effectively pronounced themselves to be ‘alien’. Which makes it rather odd when they then pronounce themselves to be ‘Britain’s Muslim community’. Established ‘British’ values are quite different from ‘Muslim’ values, many would say they are incompatible. Therefore a ‘muslim’ community cannot really be described as properly ‘British’. You can, however, talk about a ‘muslim community living in Britain’ – just for the time being, we hope.
It is time that politicians stop diverting the attention of the British public away from its domestic crises and disastrous foreign policies by repeatedly playing the ‘Muslim’ or ‘national security’ card.
jayell says
Sorry, forget that last paragraph above (“It is time….”) It wasn’t supposed to go in, and it most certainly does NOT reflect my or any other reasonable person’s opinions.
jayell says
Someone else on this site has noted that, in so many words, muslims are parasites, but the worst kind in as much as they aim to kill or at least disable the host and take over the body (the infrastructure) without any thought of giving anything back. Same kind of thing that you’re saying. Sadly, spot-on.
Edgar Allen says
Let me reply to this Muslim, using language similar to his, about how the rest of us feel about him and his kind.
” We vigorously protest the portrayal of Islam as a religion, when it is clear that it calls for hatred, enmity and eternal Jihad against all non-Muslims. We are especially appalled by the portrayal of demanding Muslims as victims, despite their incessant litany of demands. We particularly resent that we have to adapt our way of life to avoid them taking offence. We get pissed off when a dad cannot see his daughter swim, because that would offend the sensibilities of the Muslims. We get really outraged when Muslim cabbies and bus drivers deny blind people their lawful right to ride, IN THEIR OWN BLOODY COUNTRY, because they are offended by seeing eye dogs. And we get stark ranking MAD when those same cab and bus drivers are not immediately deported along with their many wives and their dozen children. We are perpetually offended by those Muslims on the dole, who still curse us and everything we stand for, while continuing to suck us dry. We have bloody well have had enough of the whole lot of the whining scum, and want them out of our countries.”
And if that offends you, WE DON”T GIVE A DAMN!
Just sayin’.
jayell says
When did they stop you seeing your daughter swim because it ‘offends them’? That’s bad. Perhaps it’s even worse when you can’t even get into the local swimming pool two evenings a week because the muzzies have commandeered it so that their women can cavort around without being ogled by evil infidel men. And, of course, YOU would be paying for THEIR privilege in your local taxes. But YOU are not allowed to be offended by that.
pumbar says
“The Home Office is planning a “more assertive” stance against extremism”.
Well, that’ll be a load of halal party bags, outreach parties and and games of “pin the bomb belt on the shaheed” then. Every time CaMoron, Millipede or that other gobhead from the DEMs go on about “tough, robust action” I get an attack of bilious gases. I think until UKIP and LibertyGB get in there,in numbers, we may need mandatory ECT in the houses of Parliament.
Lia Wissing says
Man sounds Dilly.
PJG says
Islam is parasitic by nature. It’s been the same wherever it has gone.
Andrew GB says
Agreed. I honestly think the situation is a powder keg and the more these islamic parasites push and demand the more the ordinary British people will resist until there is civil unrest. I dont want it to happen, id much rather a leader emerges that says enough. Adapt to the indigenous culture, integrate and behave as civilised people, stop demanding and blaming everyone else and bloody well contribute to the country or move out.
jayell says
Think we might be in luck. Look at this headline from the Daily mail:-
“A ‘fifth column’ of some Muslims ‘hate us and want to kill us’, says Farage as he claims there has never before been a migrant group that wants to ‘change who we are and what we are’..”
Gene says
Is there a connection between Islam and terrorism?
Babs says
Here’s the real kicker, at the beginning of 8)
“We affirm our intention to hold on to our beliefs and values, to speak out for what is right and against what is wrong based on our principles….”
“Based on our principles” eh?
Like honour killing, Jew- and Christian-hatred, promoting sharia and shielding wrongdoers in their communities from the justice of the countries they live in, misogyny, promoting jihad…. I could go on, but need I?
Charli Main says
Muslims making it absolutely clear that they have no intention of integrating and adapting to British society.
These Muslims are NOT British and will NEVER be British. Their choice—- not ours.
More indisputable proof that these Muslims have not come to Britain, looking for a better life—–they have come as invaders to impose Islam and Sharia Law on Britain and turn the country into a copy of the Muslim shitholes they ran away from.
Muslim intentions for Britain straight from the Muslim horse´s mouth.
Not to worry though—-Islamo arse kisser in chief, David Cameron, has our backs———
Babs says
Here’s an interesting article from the UK Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-29896/The-parents-jihadi-runaway-girls-share-blame-writes-SAIRA-KHAN.html
This Muslima seems to be capable of naming what is wrong and of getting past the usual BS from her co-believers. We shall see….
Babs says
Sorry, I have been told that the link above is to the main page. Here’s the correct one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2989116/The-parents-Jihadi-runaway-girls-share-blame-writes-SAIRA-KHAN.html#ixzz3UBzUNzWB
Jeff says
From the list it is quite clear that a lot of Islamofascists think putting “Dr.” in front of their name is somehow going to change the fact.
The Doctor says
Actually, odds are they really do have “doctoral” degrees in Islamic theology. Since these theology degrees are granted based primarily on orthodoxy rather than proper scientific scholarship, those of us with proper academic doctoral degrees (I have two – I am a physician and I have a Ph.D. in computer science) generally do not take _any_ theology doctoral degree seriously.
Jeff says
“6) We affirm our commitment to robust political and ideological debate and discourse for the betterment of humanity at large. The attempts by the state to undermine this bring into question its commitment to its very own purported values and liberal freedoms.”, said the fox to the hens.
M S case says
Yes Jeff The fox did not break into the hen house the door was left open by our governments
More stringent laws need to be passed to control the Islamic CULT but I’m just afraid it is too late for that We have waited to long to shut the door.
Top says
They are whining about the Muslim community being “targeted”?
My god, why are these people so DUMB?!
Blame, blame, blame, OTHERS
– ALL the feckin’ time!
Babs says
Of course they have to blame everyone else because they dare not been seen ever to be in the wrong, so phobic are they of the loss of face that would bring
DRDIAS says
Islamist always feel that they are offend that they are above the Law and should be compensated by everyone who does not believe in their Islamic Male dominated ideology of death and enslavement.
Islamist are overtly offended by very our way of life, our culture, our ethnicity, and our religions which is hastily brought about by their Blind conspicuous self-compelled obedience to this male dominated ideology of Islam whose Qur’an, the Hadith, the Surah, and Sharia Law broker death and enslavement upon the Kafir’s (infidel= us), all others on this planet, and other members of differing Islamic sects.
Islam in Arabic, the word “Islam” means submission or surrender.
DRDIAS says
What drives this Islamic Male Dominated ideological cult of death, destruction, tyranny, and enslavement to be so preoccupation to overtly induce everyone else on this planet to be as discontented, disgruntled, enslaved, and tyrannized as they are back in their homeland of the Male Dominated Islamic paradise?
If these Muslim’s are so disgruntled, so distressed, so tyrannized by their depraved Islamic Male Dominated countries??
Why the overt haste to come to our Civilized countries in order to destroy our culture(s), our ethnic heritage, our religions, and our very way of life that we all hold so dear??
Babs says
Pernicous, corrosive envy of our freedoms. Simply that
BC says
Muslim communities are marginalising themselves by behaving as though they are the chosen and the non Muslims are damned by Allah, whoever that is. By insisting on their women going round dressed differently or even concealed in black tents, by insisting their kids are educated separately so as not to be contaminated by ‘western ideas’ etc, etc.
As I said before here in the words of a Hindu sage ” I kept cleaning the mirror but the dust was on my face” Muslims can never acknowledge any fault in themselves and their behaviour but love to find fault in non Muslims.
The man says
Yes, that explains it now. For some reason, mainstream journalism is behind it. The gullible journo’s gain their rebellious attitude whilst in university, graduate, join a publishing group and support a group of misfits that create world upheavel by following a book that supports murder, beheadings, rape and a false prophet. No wonder the West with its Free Speech being distorted by these journalists, is beginning to decay.
sanjiv says
Follow countries like Singapore. Weed out all religious activities in the public domain. You have a religion, wel , keep it strictly private or else you shall be dealt with an iron hand. Then all this nonsense of targeting a specific community shall vanish.